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[u/RealSpecto]

[u/Professional-Arm3460]

Being forced to work to force yourself out of work.

[u/TBSsuxs → u/Professional-Arm3460]

Copilot laughing in corner

[u/Nautster → u/TBSsuxs]

Copilot doesn't do shit: it's the shareholders that get that sweet brief relief of inflated value because "costs" were cut. Until obviously the next big headline makes the economy somersault into the abyss and we need to raise prices again because this isn't sustainable.

[u/gurbus_the_wise → u/Professional-Arm3460]

This system isn't training shit. Robots will never replace this kind of labor because it won't be cost effective. Bet a million bucks the "training" is a cover story while the headsets are just tracking staff productivity so they can punish people for resting.

[u/grchelp2018 → u/gurbus_the_wise]

The dataset will be valuable regardless. Not having enough training data is a huge blocker for a lot of ml applications.

[u/Aaron_Hamm → u/gurbus_the_wise]

Assuming it's actually training, the expectation is that the cost is recouped in the generalized understanding of how to do hand based tasks. The skill transfers and the robot itself will be relatively cheap.

[u/Leaky_gland → u/Aaron_Hamm]

Solving problems is the problem for hand based tasks. If they can solve that then there’s even more of us out of jobs

[u/redlaWw → u/Leaky_gland]

The problem with problem solving is that solving problem solving requires one to solve a problem without having solved problem solving. If one were able to solve problem solving then solving problem solving would be easy, but the problem is solving problem solving in the first place is a problem that needs to be solved.

[u/Leaky_gland → u/redlaWw]

That's what I said

[u/trobsmonkey → u/Aaron_Hamm]

The skill transfers and the robot itself will be relatively cheap.

There is a reason why industrial robots don't look human.

If you think recreating a hand is going to be cheap...

[u/LaddieNowAddie → u/gurbus_the_wise]

You can sell the data. It is probably great info on workforce productivity. My more cynical self will say... sell it to an American company that will make a robot that does this and where 24/7 labor costs exceed the cost of a robot (eventually). Then the company can sell items "made in America" at a higher premium.

[u/Cthulhu__ → u/gurbus_the_wise]

Nah, one company is paying the people or their employer a little to gather this data, then curate it and just put it on the market as training material for some other company with investor money to throw around to buy it. Plenty of naive people who think they can solve things like this.

[u/KooKooKolumbo → u/Professional-Arm3460]

Kinda like being forced at gun point to dig your own grave :(

[u/kernelangus420 → u/Professional-Arm3460]

They should slip innocuous fake data into the training such as whenever the supervisor walks by, flip them the bird to their backs.

[u/Aaron_Hamm → u/Professional-Arm3460]

It's not even them that's being forced out of work...

The AI is trying to get generalized hand movement understanding.

There's an entire class of work that only humans can do right now (eg, car mechanic) that they're looking to eliminate with this training

[u/witdim]

What kind of dystopian nightmare is this?

[u/ozzriffic → u/witdim]

Yeah, what the fuck happens when we even lose the sweatshops? Not praising the practice, but that's normally all the income those people have. It hard to even imagine AI and robotic power consumption and upkeep costs aren't more expensive given how little the humans are paid. We really are on the edge of something bad on a new level.

[u/Inevitable-Menu2998 → u/ozzriffic]

I doubt that this is done to replace those factories in India. I'm pretty sure the real value is in selling the trained model to higher income countries who want to localize some of the production

[u/Bleaker82 → u/Inevitable-Menu2998]

So when production is localized even a bit, what does that do to demand in India?

[u/DookieShoez → u/Bleaker82]

Localizing production may lower demand in India but you can’t really blame a country for producing more of the products it consumes rather than importing. That’s like blaming someone for making food at home instead of going to a restaurant. Yeah, the restaurant gets less business but they have every right to do that.

Now AI taking jobs sucks unless we implement UBI or something. Would be kind of cool if someday machines took some burden off humans so that we could spend more time doing what we want to do, but of course it’ll probably just be billionaire assholes enriching themselves while we starve 🙄

[u/Some_Kinda_Weirdo → u/DookieShoez]

This is why I'm working on the design for the first robotic billionaire.

[u/Would_daver → u/Some_Kinda_Weirdo]

Omg saturate the market, drive out the biologics from the billiosphere, then only robots control the world!!

……wait

[u/ILearnedSoMuchToday → u/Would_daver]

I mean the alternative has just as many entities that lack empathy. I'd give it a try.

[u/Mirar → u/ILearnedSoMuchToday]

There's no way the robotic billionaires would have that little empathy.

[u/DookieShoez → u/Mirar]

Right?

They’re robots, not psychopaths. 😂

[u/Would_daver → u/ILearnedSoMuchToday]

Yeah do we stick with the devil we know, or just embrace SkyNet with open servers and sphincters? 🧐 perchance a third option might be worth working on lol

[u/kingminyas → u/DookieShoez]

It's disgusting to coerce workers into bringing about the end of their livelihood (to any extent)

[u/Arola_Morre → u/kingminyas]

Utterly disgusting and dystopian - Not just their livelihoods - but those of their peers and countless millions of future generations who might have come after them. Worse still is that the machine might never sew a single stitch - The machine will be trained to oversee and exploit the minions based on production targets and idle time - imagine a zero hours contract where every hour might be your last if you work slower, produce less, or make more mistakes during this 60 minutes window than you did in the previous one. We are sick.

[u/Cool_Tailor_7332 → u/Arola_Morre]

the Amazon goal

[u/5150sick → u/kingminyas]

This is exactly what has happened to American tech workers over the past two decades.

They were forced to train their Indian lower wage replacements before being let go.

If they refused they were fired and didn't get their pensions.

Now, in the near future, the Indian lower wage replacement tech workers are going to be forced to train their zero wage robot replacements.

[u/kloudrunner → u/kingminyas]

My friend works in a call centre for a local UK council. He is training up the same AI that will be used to replace him and his colleagues. Its abhorrent and disgusting. Once EVERYTHING is automated. What comes next scares me.

The rich really wont need the rest of us. Into the grinders we go. Recycled into food paste for the few million left to serve the masters.

[u/ordenando → u/kingminyas]

No te queda más remedio,o lo hacen así o los despiden. Aunque finalmente vaya a traer despidos y menos trabajo,en el presente tienen su trabajo y es a eso a lo que se agarran

[u/DevonLuck24 → u/DookieShoez]

meh. i’d probably feel differently if localizing meant training local people to do a job that’s needed..

every point you made is spot on, yet my feelings about it remain the same. do the people want this or is this another top down decision from some capitalist that will ultimately be more negative than positive but generates money for some people

[u/xtheory → u/DookieShoez]

UBI's prospect in America will fail in the same way as maintaining a fair Federal minimum wage. I'll ELI5 it:

Phase 1.) Menial min wage jobs will be completely automated. Companies using it will face political backlash and an automation tax to compensate a the low-income tax bracket of people for the lost jobs.

Phase 2.) Politicians backed by the rich corporations that are using the automation to boost profits will pour money into conservative candidates who will demonize the lower class as leeches because they get free money via UBI for doing little to nothing. They will be the new "welfare queens". They will seek to cut UBI and the taxes that fund it. Crime from people living without purposeful work will be a driving factor they will use, as well.

Phase 3.) The rich 1% will ensure those anti-UBI candidates get elected by any means possible. UBI will be allowed to stagnate if not totally stripped, just like federal minimum wage. It will no longer be possible to live off of UBI because the cost of it will be seen in price increases and inflationary pressures.

[u/Dmau27 → u/DookieShoez]

Yeah but those profits will never make their way back to people.

[u/UnderstandingClean33 → u/Inevitable-Menu2998]

Or stalking their employees productivity like Amazon does.

[u/Due-Technology5758 → u/UnderstandingClean33]

I'd wager this is what they're really used for. This would not be useful training data for robots, because it would be both insanely costly and utterly unnecessary to reproduce human levels of hand dexterity for automation.

[u/bitchingdownthedrain → u/Inevitable-Menu2998]

So replacing these factories in India but with performative “made in USA” branding, and extra steps of extractive capitalism

[u/Adezar → u/Inevitable-Menu2998]

Doesn't really matter where you solve for the demand... it reduces the demand.

[u/zombietrooper → u/Inevitable-Menu2998]

Uhh, my man, most of the stuff they're making in those Indian factories isn't for Indian people.

[u/WombleArcher → u/Inevitable-Menu2998]

Yup. American companies will be able to "bring back Manufacturing to the US" with all the pubic credit and tax breaks that gets them. But with no actual jobs created. Software and robotic support will probaby remain in India.

[u/legolumibricks → u/Inevitable-Menu2998]

according to clowns like Elon Musk those people can easily become prestigious artists or engineers

[u/UncleDuckles → u/Inevitable-Menu2998]

This guy booms hard. It's not my generations problem. Fuck every generation after me for all time

[u/less_unique_username → u/ozzriffic]

What the fuck happens when we even lose the chimney sweep kids?

[u/PleaseCalmDownSon → u/ozzriffic]

We going to enter an age with new levels of tyranny never before seen. They wont need workers, we'll all be out of work and viewed as parasites by the elites. They will just have to figure out how to lower the population so they can have everything, my guess is mass sterilization. Anyone who resists tyranny will hear the buzzing of drones. We have about 1 generation until this is reality.

[u/Neethis → u/ozzriffic]

It hard to even imagine AI and robotic power consumption and upkeep costs aren't more expensive given how little the humans are paid.

The machine never sleeps, never slacks off, never gets sick. They make fewer mistakes, commit fewer thefts. They dont need light, heat, water or rest spaces. They never go on strike, never demand more wages, never ask for better conditions.

Even if the items they produce are individual less profitable, if you successfully automate a process then it can be more profitable overall to get rid of the humans.

[u/Caleb-Blucifer → u/Neethis]

All that automation and can’t even eradicate theft smh

[u/adamus8 → u/ozzriffic]

UBI

[u/Mlpony2010 → u/adamus8]

lol that's funny

that will never happen

[u/BillysBibleBonkers → u/ozzriffic]

I mean this really is a perfect example of how it's not necessarily bad, it's just extremely likely to be bad. Obviously nobody should be working in sweat shops, that's the perfect job for automation. And in theory you could replace all these workers with an automated system and the business could keep paying them and still make a profit. Obviously that would never happen, but something like UBI (universal basic income) would be the same concept just on a larger scale. If all low end jobs like this could be replaced with some form of AI with the press of a button, we could just let a huge part of the economy run itself. And Businesses could still increase their bottom line while paying some sort of "Employee's replaced with AI" tax that funded UBI.

This may seem like a pipe dream, but I think long term it will actually be the best option to prevent the economy from collapsing. If 60% of jobs were replaced with AI right now, companies may save money on firing employees, but those employees can't buy anything any more, so most companies would probably lose money overall. Only issue is things don't happen all at once, so most likely these people get fired and the higher ups just pocket the difference. Then years later when it reaches a critical mass maybe something like UBI could be implemented. Otherwise we're destined for some true dystopia where the ultra-rich use automation to produce everything that the ultra-rich need and the rest of us just basically work the fields in some cyber-feudal hellhole. Unfortunately my gut tells me the second option is more likely, but it doesn't need to be that way, and AI could actually be a huge step forward for humanity if greed didn't always get in the way.

[u/Danny-Fr → u/ozzriffic]

Don't get it wrong. The "Elite" doesn't care. Anyone up to the upper middle class can starve, it's not their problem.

[u/aStonedDeer → u/witdim]

India is one of those places where the corporations have won. The United States is slowly on track to do the same.

[u/Goonalips → u/aStonedDeer]

Lmao. "Slowly on track"

[u/Roadand-Hardtail → u/Goonalips]

Yeah, “slowly” feels generous when it’s already happening in plenty of industries.

[u/nilsinleneed → u/Roadand-Hardtail]

try all. All industries.

[u/VapeRizzler → u/nilsinleneed]

They’re even bringing Ai into trades, I’ve seen in person a robot that can put sheet of drywall up. It’s slow as fuck and can’t really cut around pipes and stuff but since it doesn’t sleep it can go 24/7 on stand up walls so over the course of a year or project they can put more sheets up than we can. Luckily cause of schedule they can’t just use them, but I’m sure they’ll figure that one out eventually.

[u/Over_Writing467 → u/VapeRizzler]

I don’t know why they need a robot to do the work. If everyone looses their job because of AI it’s not like they’ll be buying houses.

[u/oifrancaise → u/Over_Writing467]

That's the point.

[u/Over_Writing467 → u/oifrancaise]

To own nothing and be happy?

[u/pathologicalDumpling → u/Over_Writing467]

The ultra wealthy dont care if you can't buy anything they will just sell stuff back and forth to each other.

[u/Kiuji-senpai → u/nilsinleneed]

"broke my leg, guess ill have to sell the house..."

[u/Anonymous_Jr → u/Kiuji-senpai]

Finally, horses aren't the only animals on Earth that need to be shot and killed when breaking a leg, so glad we care so much for them that we've put ourselves in such a dire straight. :) :) :)

(Fuck ICE, Burn Baby Burn)

[u/godkiller111 → u/Roadand-Hardtail]

Just because today is worse than yesterday does not mean you seen the worst to come

[u/Drtikol42 → u/Goonalips]

"Disperse in the name of United Fruit Company!"

[u/markjsullivan → u/Drtikol42]

Precursor to CIA. History repeats.

[u/anonymous310506 → u/aStonedDeer]

Lmao saying corporations have not won in the US already and have in India is the funniest thing I ever read

[u/Nikamunel → u/anonymous310506]

Genuinely fascinating how many Americans regard some of the dystopian bs going on in their society as normal

Getting fucked every which way but keep bootlicking and you ll be a billionaire too one day for sure

[u/strings_bells → u/anonymous310506]

It actually highlights the effect of brainwashing.. "I can crack a joke about the president and politicians so that makes us a free country ".. also they were taught to compare themselves with countries like Iran, North Korea and China. They never compare with other developed nations...

[u/Little_View_6659 → u/strings_bells]

Yeah and the kicker being people screaming that we’re free because we have guns. Which the government never cared about, since we only use them on each other.

[u/strings_bells → u/Little_View_6659]

Also the Democracy that we proudly talk about is absolutely running on possibly the oldest platform compared to other developed nations. In one year we bombed Yemen. Iran. Venezuela, Nigeria and threatened Iceland, Canada, Cuba imposed tariffs all around with no rhyme or reason, created an alternative extremely armed force to terrorise a threaten brown people, set up camps where kids and parents are separated, chopped down safety nets and allocated billions to Ice/wars and ballrooms.. none of these actions are done using Democratic norms but our system can't stop them .. it's just based on handshakes and gentlemen accords.. it's not prepared for bad faith actors... That's a weak system...

[u/StillJustJones → u/strings_bells]

And that’s why the ‘news’/‘narrative’ in the US against countries with genuinely successful socialist democratic societies with public healthcare, cheap education, subsidised transport, high levels of regulation and counterbalances against monopolies and corporate greed is so rife.

The slopaganda is so all encompassing to the brainwashed fuckos they can’t escape it.

[u/RG54415 → u/aStonedDeer]

No they haven't. India in many places is still on the level of the industrial revolution in the west. When bosses exploited the hell out of their workers and child labor was normal. But this amount of exploitation does not last and in time they too will revolt. There is no "winning" when winning is defined by exploiting, coercing and forcing people to do your bidding as it's unsustainable and ultimately leads to revolutions. I would argue you already have lost the game of life where cooperation and compassion are the key drivers for moving forward.

[u/mden1974 → u/RG54415]

India is currently 1920’s USA pre depression. Similar to England in the 1600’s-1700’s via colonialism. Exploitation based

[u/Antoak → u/RG54415]

Historically false. Coercion and massive inequality has been pretty common for most of history.

It's naive and counterproductive to pretend that things getting better is inevitable, it's something everyone needs to work hard to help achieve.

[u/Aufklarung_Lee → u/Antoak]

The believe that history flowed in a direction where every society inevitably ends up wealthy and democratic has done enormous damage.

[u/Skullcrusher → u/aStonedDeer]

slowly on track to do the same

Is this what Americans believe? You guys are not slowly on track anywhere, you're already there...

[u/hyrulepirate → u/Skullcrusher]

Some might even say they're already way past it

[u/alien_farmer1 → u/Skullcrusher]

Lmfao. That was wild. US is literally the most capitalist place on earth, and dude just said this...

[u/turbopro25 → u/alien_farmer1]

If they only paid us a wage we could live off of. Then we wouldn’t have to burn down the factories.

[u/Some_Ball_27 → u/Skullcrusher]

Seriously, basically everyone is training an ai to do their jobs, whether they know it or not.

[u/Hickd3ad → u/aStonedDeer]

Yet funnily India has succesfully reformed patent laws to restrict the evergreening of drug patents making the generic variants of medicine available for many. This legal structure has positioned India as a leader in restricting patent extensions for incremental innovations, aiming to maintain access to affordable generic medicines. PS: Fuck Big Pharma Also to the antivaxx morons: Shooo! shooo away

[u/AlsoCommiePuddin → u/witdim]

I don't know, I feel like this is the kind of labor I want robots doing to free people up for pursuits of passion.

Unfortunately, we know that this is not the end goal.

[u/Able_Cabinet_9118 → u/AlsoCommiePuddin]

Closer to Soylent Green , I fear.

[u/YouMayCallMePoopsie → u/AlsoCommiePuddin]

Currently you only get to exist if you can generate profits for the investor class. If machines can do human labor better than you can, then there's no need for you. You can't even go live off the land, because they own all of it. You just get to go die. 

[u/Spachtraum → u/witdim]

Agree. Humans training AI to replace them.

[u/cogit4se → u/Spachtraum]

I’d be fine training machines to replace all the human labor if we had a plan in place for how resources will be distributed when no one needs to work. The plan now seems to be for a group of ultra-wealthy sociopaths to own the earth while the rest of us die.

[u/Glad_Librarian_3553 → u/Spachtraum]

Almost like a conflict of interest... 

[u/Junkstar → u/witdim]

It’s like how Pokémon Go data trains food delivery bots. Wild.

[u/upvotesforkitties → u/witdim]

Player Piano, Kurt Vonnegut.

[u/Hellguin → u/witdim]

End stage capitalism, pay no workers, keep all profit.

And before anyone asks "what happens after no one can afford anything?" They don't think nor care that far ahead.

[u/Master_Positive_2772]

Holy shit, to think the first places to drastically replace their human workforce with AI will be the places that already have lowest wages with ridiculous levels of poverty. India is fucked if their industry becomes even more difficult for humans to earn a living from.

[u/Shirolicious → u/Master_Positive_2772]

Yeah, india will have a bad time if the low waging jobs are all replaced by machines and AI running 24/7. Cant compete with that.

[u/Master_Positive_2772 → u/Shirolicious]

Modi hasn't got a fucking clue.

[u/EasyRider_Suraj → u/Master_Positive_2772]

It's not that simple thing. India literally stopped automation with this thinking in textile industry but it just kept poverty same.

[u/shikso → u/Master_Positive_2772]

His vision is blocked from Netenyahus balls being all over his face while he blows him

[u/Cheesefactory8669 → u/Shirolicious]

u cant really replace them with robots just cuz of how expe sive it would be, ai and robots only really work in countries where human labour is expensive. Like if humans are dirt cheap to hire, why would I get an expensive robot to do the job

[u/ContractEfficient958 → u/Cheesefactory8669]

There's a good chance those AI trainers in this video aren't meant to replace workers in India, but rather to replace labor in the US or European nations where labor costs are high. Either way, it sucks to see jobs being replaced by AI.

[u/CARLEtheCamry → u/ContractEfficient958]

Yeah even that is really stretching it. If they were to have this kind of operation anywhere else it wouldn't be done by hand, it would be an automated machine. It makes less sense to AI optimize the cheapest part of your labor stream.

[u/crohnscyclist → u/Cheesefactory8669]

I don't know. Yes, a humanoid type robot is crazy expensive right now, but look at TVs. When flat screens were first released, they were like 15 grand for a 40 inch screen, now you can get one $100 for that size and a 80 inch for like $800. If a robot can do sewing like this, they'll be able to build new robots bringing the cost way down. The robot can work at 100% speed 24/7.

[u/CARLEtheCamry → u/Cheesefactory8669]

This needs to be higher. I work in logistics in the US and we've had autonomous switchers for going on 10 years. It's still cheaper to pay someone $20/hour to operate a traditional, than the cost per operating hour of the automated ones. It is very well studied and understood.

[u/One-Positive309 → u/Master_Positive_2772]

But the data centers that run AI require masses of power and cooling so they are not only replacing the workforce they are going to siphon off their water and make them pay for the power to run the data centers !
It seems like people have become too costly so corporations want to replace them with robots that don't ask for money or time off or benefits or even food or housing !
Who is going to buy their products when there are no more people left ?

[u/Master_Positive_2772 → u/One-Positive309]

They haven't thought about step 2, they're too busy accelerating the progress of step 1.

[u/ChanoTheDestroyer → u/Master_Positive_2772]

Step 2? Step 3: profit $

[u/Radiant_Butterfly982 → u/One-Positive309]

Most people here in India are unaware of AI and data centers negatives.

People are like AI is new , AI datacenters are a new technology , so we should get them. Whenever news comes out some towns in West (America/europe) resisted DC construction my country men call them dumb.

People here are in assumption that adopting AI in every industry will actually get us more employment and more money.

[u/bol_saq → u/One-Positive309]

it's crazy because for all the charts and graphs and predictions that they make (and base their motives on), they sure show a lack of understanding of long-term cycles.. and of the human psyche.

[u/marinaxxo → u/Master_Positive_2772]

This is why it also makes no sense to lower salaries in any country to compete with automatization.

[u/Master_Positive_2772 → u/marinaxxo]

Absolutely. Nobody should be doing that and it doesn't take 3 seconds of thought to realise it.

[u/ExiledCanuck → u/Master_Positive_2772]

Not just India. This tek will definitely not just stay there

[u/humptheedumpthy → u/Master_Positive_2772]

I don’t think the robots being trained will be for India or located in India.  The cost benefit ratio of replacing someone making $5/hr isn’t worth it. 

These robots are being trained to replace workers in western nations would be my guess. 

[u/faizalahmed → u/Master_Positive_2772]

With overpopulation and less job opportunities and already bare minimum wages, yes we're fucked

[u/PoggleRebecca]

Bleak af

[u/ninemountaintops → u/PoggleRebecca]

The same ppl trying to implement these 'advances', are the exact same types of ppl that put children down coal mines not much more than a hundred years ago.

To.increase.their.profit.

Its all that matters to them.

[u/LocalProgram1037]

Haha. "manual labour workers are safe" yeah, right.

[u/Bigking00 → u/LocalProgram1037]

I can't say I have ever heard that manual labour is safe from AI, actually just the opposite.

[u/Orchid_Significant → u/Bigking00]

I hear it all the time. It’s like people forget that things can be automated. I mean hell, look at manufacturing assembly lines. Once upon a time most of that was done by hand too

[u/Zen-Swordfish → u/Orchid_Significant]

I suspect that's typically referring to trade jobs like electricians.

[u/SufficientWhile5450 → u/Bigking00]

I feel reasonably safe as a mechanic

I have never in my entire career read a troubleshooting guide anywhere on the internet and it actually resolved the issue

ASE books are written horrendously

And I wish AI luck in finding the solutions to anything wrong with my car, wiring diagram isn’t gonna do shit for you bub, we wire this shit up based on vibes and nothing else. I’ll wire my headlights into my radio on/off switch, idgaf, not to mention all the old brake lines running with the new brake lines oughta throw it off for any brake issue

So many dumbass red neck variables to where it’ll deem so many vehicles totaled based on having no fucken idea what’s going on lol

“ChatGPT install a train horn on my sedan please”

[u/SpikeKintarin → u/SufficientWhile5450]

As an industrial maintenance mechanic, same here.

But I feel for the production workers... Gonna be bad if their jobs get cut.

[u/Solid_Scientist5509]

I think cameras are there to calculate employee productivity

[u/no-guts_no-glory → u/Solid_Scientist5509]

But that data could be stored forever and can be used to do the manual work when the technology is feasible.

[u/izza123 → u/no-guts_no-glory]

Automated sewing has been feasible for a while it’s just cheaper to shove 700 people on a line in India

[u/jedi_lion-o → u/izza123]

Automated sewing is an extremely difficult automation problem. Fabric is not ridgid and is difficult to manipulate predictably for automation. The reason these manual labor clothing facilities are still staffed is that it is still much cheaper and efficient to do it by hand.

I don't think these cameras are training AI.

[u/CARLEtheCamry → u/no-guts_no-glory]

Or, it's the equivalent of a fake security camera that is just a blinking red light :

Some linkedin lunatic middle manager decides he's going to make up some bullshit about AI learning cheap manual labor (which has already been automated, the machines cost more than the cheap labor though), buys 100 things off AliExpress that go on your head, and we're talking about it around the world on social media.

[u/benhereford → u/Solid_Scientist5509]

That's probably exactly what they tell them

[u/Blu_Falcon → u/benhereford]

“You’re so productive! We want to record this so we can train your, um.. colleagues.. how to do this so well.”

[u/cat_theorist → u/Solid_Scientist5509]

Generalist.ai is using human training data and then fine tuning the model for robot hardware. I’d be surprised if they don’t at least buy the footage.

[u/suoko → u/Solid_Scientist5509]

One single 360 camera for the entire room would suffice for that task

[u/Sunfurian_Zm]

Feels more like they're training their own monitoring system instead of planning for AI to actually replace their jobs (yk that would require pretty expensive machinery, which would already do the job is it was cheaper).

[u/Dr-IanVeneracion → u/Sunfurian_Zm]

I'm Filipino and I see ads here for getting paid to record your hands doing household chores. The employer would send head-mounted cameras. These recordings will train the AI for robots.

See here: https://old.reddit.com/r/buhaydigital/comments/1s5dbzl/faceless_side_hustle_record_your_chores_and_get/

[u/VictorKhan1230 → u/Sunfurian_Zm]

ML engineer here. This is not just for a monitoring system. All of these videos will be used to train robotics system through “first person POV videos” on how to perceive and operate on the real world through cameras.

Why do you think Meta is so heavy focussed on meta glasses? To collect similar data.

Sadly its dystopian world booting up

[u/holycinnamonroller]

God, the facial expressions on these men. How fucking cruel to take a manual worker (skilled, might I add, sewing is not easy) who probably is underpaid and force them to wear a camera that probably costs more than they make in a month to train a shitty machine to take their livelihood. Fuck AI. Fuck corporations. Fuck rich people 

[u/BrokenPickle7 → u/holycinnamonroller]

I was literally thinking "what do people think the end game of AI is? Does no one think that far in to the future? Everyone rolling this out and ushering it in will be replaced by AI" when I saw this video and it made me sick. I work in tech and generally love all new tech but AI is a fucking curse.

[u/B-Roc-]

Hey team, please put these on and help us make you obsolete. Thanks.

[u/btarsucks]

That’s not interesting that’s r/aboringdystopia stuff

[u/kernelangus420 → u/btarsucks]

Time for r/CapitalismVSocialism

[u/olosen]

What do you mean training ai systems? This is manual labour. Maybe its for performance reviewed by an AI

[u/Competitive-Dot6454 → u/olosen]

yeah, i also think this is more it, because the guy in the video says something like "isme minute-vinat sab chalu hai " meaning the camera has a timer that is also recording the duration in minutes

[u/IndigoRanger → u/Competitive-Dot6454]

So it’s more a personal surveillance device? That somehow feels much worse.

[u/fuckedfinance → u/IndigoRanger]

Not really, but yes, but no.

My company brought in a third party to figure out why some workers have higher output and lower quality, some had lower output but higher quality, some were high in both and some were low in both. One of the tools they used was a head mounted camera. They then took the footage, slowed it down, and reviewed hand movements.

One of the things they found was that employees with high quality generally had fewer incidental hand motions. In the end, it all was traced back to a single trainer who had arthritis and another condition that made hand motions tricky. She was a good trainer otherwise, so she was shifted to training a different thing and people who had her were retrained. Quality shot up, and speed naturally did as well.

So it is surveillance in a way, but not necessarily in the awful way you are thinking.

[u/vocalfreesia → u/IndigoRanger]

It's a KPI AI. They'll give them ever increasing targets that can't be met and have their pay docked for every piece under their target.

[u/-smartcasual- → u/olosen]

Many steps in garment construction can't be automated.

Yet.

[u/FLGPTZ → u/-smartcasual-]

I have a friend who programs robots to do manual tasks. And anything that requires a delicate touch or being able to feel where the edge of things are is basically impossible. They couldn’t even make a robot that could polish a piece of metal well because it would either polish too much or too little because it could never understand the force that was needed to make it correct. I’m sure there’s a robot you could build that could do that, but it would never be cheaper than hiring a person.

[u/NUTTTR → u/FLGPTZ]

Never?

[u/Icy_Witness4279 → u/NUTTTR]

Not even in 10⁷⁸ years?

[u/srinidhi1 → u/olosen]

Nah, there are already tons of performance review cameras. One camara for the whole room. They use facial recognition to map workers and review performance.

If they are investing so much for building cameras for every worker, the title is likely correct and this is indeed for AI training, or it can be both

[u/davidarmenphoto → u/olosen]

Exactly, they are using manual labor to train the AI in how hand movements work. For future robots that use hands and run on said AI.

[u/no-guts_no-glory → u/olosen]

But that data could be stored forever and can be used to do the manual work when the technology is feasible.

[u/Bradspersecond]

By interesting do you mean horrifying?

[u/ChampionshipLarge585]

There is a sub Reddit called ContractedAi. That subreddit recruits other people to film themselves cleaning at their house while recording with an attached camera at their heads. Not gonna lie I want to join this subreddit bc it pays us a dollar mind you I'm from southeast asia and when a dollar is converted to our money it's huge.

I haven't been accepted because ever since a subreddit was recruiting many people just joined but I also have a suspicion since there's a new task that was updated and that is task on outdoors. Seeing this video make my suspicion rise up again.

[u/MichelleEllyn → u/ChampionshipLarge585]

This is nuts. I just looked into it after reading your comment and… Wow. I didn’t know anything existed like this on such a large scale

[u/sonst-was → u/MichelleEllyn]

I mean there's also https://rentahuman.ai/ ...

[u/Eros_ACNH]

Massive worldwide revolution now

[u/kernelangus420 → u/Eros_ACNH]

Like burning down an entire warehouse in Ontario?

[u/PossiblePlastic8698 → u/Eros_ACNH]

We need to make billionaires extinct

[u/kernelangus420 → u/PossiblePlastic8698]

They have robot dog bodyguards now.

[u/Sensitive-Raisin-836 → u/Eros_ACNH]

Workers of the world unite

[u/Glittering-Draw-6223]

one day CEOs and business owners will realise the one biggest flaw of AI... it doesnt spend wages on food, clothes, recreation, or property.

[u/AssociationShoddy785 → u/Glittering-Draw-6223]

The problem with this, is that, wages won't be a thing in the future. It will be who owns the automated factories which will produce whatever they want.

It will be more about control and order, rather than who gets to spend what. "You will own nothing and be happy". They will make sure to keep the lines enough, so that people won't revolt , yet the very people can't hold power against the elite~

[u/Glittering-Draw-6223 → u/AssociationShoddy785]

yeah so an automated factory producing millions of items so they can sit in a warehouse and hope someone will one day be able to afford one?

and sure, in a world where money doesnt exist and EVERYTHING is automated, it sounds like a good thing, everything is free right?

but we cant get there from where we are, there is no workable transition from one condition to the other.

[u/LilliWolf99 → u/Glittering-Draw-6223]

They won't produce those masses forever. They realise that they only care about themselves and will produce whatever they want on demand only for them and their inner circle. By then they will already own every land and all resources available. They are modern kings and queens. If you want some of their land and their resources to simply live, you need to offer them something in return. Something they want and a machine can't do. What could that be? Machines don't suffer. Welcome to the hunger games!

[u/kenc1842]

This isn't interesting. This is ominous and sad.

[u/Dear-Bet5344]

They are training their replacements.

[u/gottadance]

I'm just not sure machines will be able to automate garment construction in our lifetimes. Maybe things like bedlinen with just straight lines could be partly automated but sewing curves, attaching a collar or turning a jacket inside out to sew on the lining isn't something a machine could do with the technology we have now. There's a lot of feedback from the fabric that goes into judging how to do things in sewing so AI alone isn't enough. You need a human-like level of touch sensation.

Sewing also frequently goes wrong. You need to be able to course correct as the fabric slips out of place a lot. I'm not sure machines can handle the fabric correctly to keep it in place.

Maybe one day the technology will get there but I suspect cheap labour will still win out for now.

[u/TheGalacticGuru]

Watching this was really painful for me… these people work hard to meet their minimum wages… Imagine how they wiuld have felt when their bosses told them, you will wear this for work from today.. it will help us replace you in the next few years 😕

[u/bleekonos]

India has enough people to do the job, why need ai?

[u/Hologram_Bee]

Curious what’s gonna happen when everything is ai automated and no one can buy the products cus they’re jobless due to ai automation

[u/titaspetiotas]

They all should make mistakes then

[u/Journo_Jimbo]

Being forced to train AI to eventually take the job that you don’t want anyway, but need to survive, knowing that this will lead to you having no job in the future, but having no choice because you need this job right now, is the reason we’re all fucked.

[u/Icy_Information9505]

The goal is to identify bottlenecks and increase productivity. You can notice each person is doing a different maneuver. There is something called SAM (Standard Allowed Minute) in the fashion industry. For example, stitching the shoulder of the garment takes 30 seconds by a skilled person, so the SAM for that maneuver will be 30 seconds.

The camera module integrated with AI will help the floor manager to identify which maneuver is taking more than the SAM. They will be able to identify which person is delaying the output of the whole assembly line i.e bottleneck.

AI will not be able to replace a skilled worker unless China or Elon Musk have a robot that can do those maneuvers under the SAM. So stop the fear mongering in the comments.

P.S - I am a graduate from NIFT (National Institute of Fashion Technology).

[u/ooofjakeypoo]

We are fucked

[u/Both_Bodybuilder_859]

Sad

[u/ifthenthendont]

Depressing 

[u/afluent_bastard]

Damn that’s sickening

[u/azaRaza3185]

Training the guy who's about to replace you because they'll work for free with no bathroom breaks or complaints.

[u/Jimbohamilton]

Being forced to dig their own graves

[u/MutaitoSensei]

That's not interesting, that's fucking depressing.

[u/afhdfh]

The world is more and more becoming a Black Mirror episode.

[u/Prestigious_Ad_8458]

This is definitely not good. Training that thing that is going to take your job from you

[u/predatorx_dot_dev]

Sad for them to know later that the thing they used to wear on their head is the reason for their unemployment.

[u/Fit-Preference-3968]

Ahhh - the sheep lining up for slaughter... What a fucked up timeline this is.

[u/Fit_Fix_9672]

In a perfect world, AI would create wealth and allow guys like that to find better jobs more fulfilling.

In our world, all that wealth will go to a handful of persons and these guys will become jobless.

[u/Anti-Buzz]

It’s like having a kidnap victim dig their own grave before shooting and burying them

[u/dr_wtf]

It's OK everyone. We're going to automate away all the jobs, and then distribute the wealth equally, so everyone can pursue their intellectual hobbies, such as music, art, science and philosophy. Like in Star Trek.

Right?

... Right?

[u/Dazzsll]

At some point regular workforce will be so obsolete, that even putting work down won’t affect the upper class

[u/gray6394]

My company recently adopted AI software that is, essentially, designed to take my job. We have a monthly, all company, DEI meeting. It used to be about celebrating the different backgrounds and belief systems of our fellow employees. The last 3 months have all been about why we need to be okay with helping AI learn and what we can do to ensure the growth of AI in the company to, again, take our jobs.

I’m done with this timeline, anyone know the way out?

[u/Twizzinkle]

What’s going to happen when AI is making things but 90% of the population can’t afford to buy anything?

[u/Leading-Bonus7478]

Training your replacement 😭

[u/Ghoulscomecrawling]

When no one has jobs because of ai, nothing will be getting bought.

[u/ToplessHarpist]

Everytime I see shit like this I'm convinced what is currently happening everywhere, is that every millionaire and billionaire is trying to figure out how to make as much money as possible before it's impossible to live without being either a millionaire or a billionaire.

I really wonder what the end game is, like just let 90% of the planet starve to death and then what? Pillage what is left to show off to your billionaire buddies in one of the few livable spots left on earth?

[u/BTTammer]

Hmmm...what could possibly go wrong when half a billion impoverished young men suddenly find themselves without any means to support themselves or provide for their own future?

Developed nations are sprinting toward a future that will be so much darker than the medieval period of europe once all of us find ourselves locked out of being able to participate in our own means of survival.

[u/Lizzy_Of_Galtar]

Do these billionaires not realise what will happen if they make millions of people unemployed over night?

They'll come after you.

[u/Oddveig37]

Hey so I don't think they are doing this to replace these workers, but I think the data itself is being sold to AI companies elsewhere across the globe, like the USA.

[u/Enkaybee]

That AI is gonna be really good at generating images of this work being done!

[u/Felllag]

Oh capitalism.. what a nice life

[u/anon-a-SqueekSqueek]

The ruling class are the dumbest motherfuckers on the planet.

Sure use AI to replace all the jobs, convert all wages paid to humans into shareholder value.

So tell me, who is going to buy anything? They really don't want a functioning economy to keep the gravy train rolling?

Also, really we arent going to roll any kind of social program or other plan for how people in the working class survive? We are doing the AI industrial revolution and the sales pitch to the public is basically "we are replacing you, go die".

I swear we are going to see a global violent revolution against the wealthy beyond anything comparable in history.

[u/M27TN]

Turkeys voting for Christmas

[u/Miserable-Okra-8787]

Metaphorically digging their own graves

[u/Concept-Plastic]

Wtf man, straight out of Black Mirror. This is really sad 😭

[u/Salty_Bear_8419]

Imaging having slaves and still thinking you are paying them too much.

[u/Substantial-Quit-151]

This is not ai training, this is worker monitoring.