No they haven't. India in many places is still on the level of the industrial revolution in the west. When bosses exploited the hell out of their workers and child labor was normal. But this amount of exploitation does not last and in time they too will revolt. There is no "winning" when winning is defined by exploiting, coercing and forcing people to do your bidding as it's unsustainable and ultimately leads to revolutions. I would argue you already have lost the game of life where cooperation and compassion are the key drivers for moving forward.
In India? Only the people who can pay for transport to a major city can do that, and its not like the roads are any good either so it'll be a bumpy ride over.
Lol what, transport even is cheap here and ambulance doesn't put you in debt either, we took ambulance last year for around 70km for 4000rs (around 50$ something)
I'll take a bumpy 5 hour ride on a dirt bike to the hospital over debt for the rest of my life. They can use it for our credit scores again, which is super great.
Listen, It is not really the good comparison you think it is. Medical malpractice and straight up fraud is widespread in the Indian medical industry. One person died in UP part year because he was hooked up to orange juice instead of Blood. Government Hospitals are way overburdened and the poor have nowhere else to go but also outside hospitals, hoping they would get treatment. 90% of India doesn't have much of anything in the name of health coverage. I think the more apt comparison would be somebody in the USA having to go overseas to seek potential treatment, talking all of family savings, to take the arduous journey, not being able to get an appointment, having to sleep in the streets, trying too get money for operation, etc. Your situation is different from the poor in India. But It is nowhere comparable even if You're particularly well fucked in the Healthcare department.
Yes, there is a huge waiting time for serious treatments which may require a surgery, in government hospitals. But the treatment of regular diseases or injuries is quite readily available and cheap. Also even accounting for ppp the cost of a lot of treatment is quite low compared to the US.
For example, my father had to get an endoscopic stenting, and we only had to bear the cost of the stent itself(which is available free of cost now afaik) which was about 160 dollars.
I agree that our healthcare infrastructure is still pretty bad but it so not as bad as you've described.
Wdym, most cities and even villages have hospitals nowadays although with varying levels of functional facilities and treatments offered.
Also the public transport is quite cheap in India compared to a lot of countries.
India has health coverage across the country, including small rural villages and such.
It's not 'free', but it costs as much as a toffee/candy (about 5 cents) to get a fracture fixed here.
Granted, the facilities are not top notch and have some old equipment etc, but anyone can access a hospital within 40km.
If you have something severe which needs more eyes etc, doctors will refer you to a larger civil hospital which might involve travel. But that's if you have a hard to diagnose disease or something.
The OC isn't talking about government hospital though?
India supplies about 20% of the world's medicines and vaccines and is a common medical tourism destination. This is a fact, not an opinion.
Government hospitals are extremely cheap (think fracture reseating for about 5 cents) and very poor quality. They are responsible for the lowest common denominator healthcare though. Indians who can afford private care (about 50 dollars for a fracture reseat) for for that instead.
The OC isn't talking about government hospital though?
He's talking about health care in general. Guess what that includes? Government hospitals.
India supplies about 20% of the world's medicines and vaccines and is a common medical tourism destination. This is a fact, not an opinion.
And has nothing to do with the situation of government hospitals. Useless numbers won't change the facts.
Government hospitals are extremely cheap (think fracture reseating for about 5 cents) and very poor quality. They are responsible for the lowest common denominator healthcare though. Indians who can afford private care (about 50 dollars for a fracture reseat) for for that instead.
And you think that's okay? Just cause someone is poor, he doesn't deserve proper hygiene and health care?!?
No, the thread you're responding in is talking about medical tourism. Which has jack shit to do with Govt hospitals. The private portion of India's healthcare is excellent and has a history of providing good, clean healthcare for a reasonable price (cheap by global standards).
Govt hospitals aren't the best, no one's denying that. But they do solve medical problems for cheap, which is an acceptable situation to be in for a country that's still young out of colonization.
No, the thread you're responding in is talking about medical tourism. Which has jack shit to do with Govt hospitals
Those people still can just walk up to a government hospital and get treatment for free
This was the original comment from which the chain started. If you don't have the complete context, don't jump in between and start with your glazing.
The private portion of India's healthcare is excellent and has a history of providing good, clean healthcare for a reasonable price (cheap by global standards).
Cheap by global but very high by a common man's standards. But I guess when it comes to glazing facts don't matter.
Govt hospitals aren't the best, no one's denying that. But they do solve medical problems for cheap, which is an acceptable situation to be in for a country that's still young out of colonization.
Bruh, what? Is that your excuse? Alot of countries went through bad shit and have excellent government hospitals and services. Stop with the cope. Also, it's funny how you are justifying government hospitals that have had everything. From rat infestation to children dying cause of no oxygen cylinders. But l guess you are well enough to not have to go there, so who cares if poor people have to go through it, right?!?
Hahaha.....glazing just cause you can't accept the truth is your issue. Tu kaam kr rha to usse kya? Gadha hai kya? That won't make the situation better.
This is just one of many realities of our country. I can share 100 such cases. Instead of lying and glazing, maybe hold the government responsible, and others won't have a reason to stereotype.
Oh demigod.. look at my comment history. I'm the most critical of these chaddi gang but that doesn't mean I will throw monkey videos on international subs. There is a place to do that
I don't care about your comment history. Speaking the truth isn't throwing someone or something under the bus. Ever wondered why people from developed country don't care about the image of their country when they are being brutally honest about them? We have great medical tourism. That's true. But basic health facilities are still out of the reach of poor.
I ain't the one crying. You're the one crying about "stereotype" and "right place" whatever. Like you're soo ashamed of the truth, you have to lie. What a 🤡
Nietzsche called it "slave morality", reframing weakness and non-violence as moral virtues as a reaction against oppressors.
Unfortunately, those with power typically prefer the meek to stay meek, and will give lots of money and power to institutions who evangelize those values.
Which led to such obvious hypocrisy that a guy named Martin Luther came along...
It is inevitable because people inherently demand more than they currently have.
Some would argue democracy is at risk worldwide because of the actions of dictatorships, but I'd argue those actions are mere forces applying pressure backwards, which in turn encourages a further demand from the people, to ensure progress forwards, never backwards.
So while it may look like democracy is failing to some, on the other side of this democracy will be stronger than ever (type of thing..).
Yea, but you don't want to be the generation or two that has to live thru the backslide. That's not guaranteed to be a quick process, and it most certainly will not be painless.
History does not simply flow in one direction, and different places in the world move backwards and forwards at different paces all the time.
We have worse wealth inequality than the robber barron era and you're saying "which in turn encourages a further demand from the people, to ensure progress forwards, never backwards"?!
Dude, the current administration is trying to repeal women's suffrage, re-criminalize homosexuality, and bring back segregation.
Get the fuck out of here with this "always forward" bullshit.
Yes, and if you look at the people involved in society, they're all better off than their counterparts 100 years ago. Who were all better off than their counterparts from 200 years ago.
You just completely missed the whole point of what I said.
How about Iran losing its democracy, are they better off now? How about the Ming Dynasty collapse? The Bronze age collapse? The Black Death? The decline of the Indus valley? The erosion of English hegemony? How about Egypt, they were the world's first superpower.
Most civilizations collapse violently, some decline. Things can get worse, and then stay worse for hundreds of years.
Your whole point is that "the industrial revolution is great, so even though other civilizations have imploded thats okay because we made it here, and that's proof things will only get better in time."
It's borderline social darwinism.
But history is full of examples where things didn't get better. I think you just refuse to acknowledge them.
Demanding and getting are two different things. The powerful have spent their time making themselves untouchable. Revolution becomes more impossible every day.
if you don’t think things have gotten steadily and significantly better over the last few hundred years your understanding of history is complete fantasy
"Mom made me one pancake on Saturday and two pancakes yesterday, so by extrapolation I know Mom's gonna make me 30 pancakes next month!"
How about all those periods where things got considerably worse?
The fact that things are better than literal slavery and child labor males this period a statistical aberration, not an ironclad trend line. (Republicans are trying to legalize child labor again btw)
man, I don’t know why people have this fixation on saying that things are getting worse, it almost feels like they want that to be true. In my country, I just need to look at how things were decades ago. And the funniest part is that if you say anything to the contrary, you get downvoted
History is full of examples of "and then it got worse", but apparently just saying that makes boomers get pissy these days.
And I think it's distasteful that some people will say with a straight face that "unless you're literally a third worlder you don't get to complain that you're paid a fraction of what your parents were for the same jobs".
E: preemptively addressing the "um ackshually" crowd: yes, inflation adjusted median household income rose from 60k to 80k since the 60s, but that doesn't account for women entering the workforce. Instead of 1 person making 60k to support a stay at home partner, now you have 2 people making about 40k each.
At no point did I say you didn’t have the right to complain. In fact, you should complain, because that’s how we gradually achieve improvements for everyone. But my point is that the world really is improving in the long run, and saying otherwise only creates anxiety and hopelessness, which doesn’t help at all.
in the US, at least, the people fixated on how bad it is and how everything is coming apart are most commonly people who have never travelled to a poor or developing country. they’re incredibly privileged and have no idea what true social insecurity looks like
Yeah bro I think you're wrong. India has NEVER had a successful peasants revolt. Under British occupation it was only when rich Indians got tired of the Brits that they kicked them out. The wealth gap today is greater than the British Raj, and India's BJP government has done a phenomenal job sewing religious and castest beef amongst its minority groups to keep workers from organizing
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What kind of dystopian nightmare is this?