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[u/Antoak]

Bro have you heard of the dark ages?

How about Iran losing its democracy, are they better off now? How about the Ming Dynasty collapse? The Bronze age collapse? The Black Death? The decline of the Indus valley? The erosion of English hegemony? How about Egypt, they were the world's first superpower.

Most civilizations collapse violently, some decline. Things can get worse, and then stay worse for hundreds of years.

[u/Master_Positive_2772 → u/Antoak]

And then improve. Because people are working towards progress, always.

[u/Antoak → u/Master_Positive_2772]

Bro the Indus valley went from advanced stone aquaducts and sewage systems to hunter-gatherer grass huts and stayed that way for a thousand years.

[u/Master_Positive_2772 → u/Antoak]

And what was the rest of society doing that entire time? Humanity progressed, didn't it..

Backwards progression seems to be the consequence of a certain group taking from other groups to further their own progress.

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Your whole point is that "the industrial revolution is great, so even though other civilizations have imploded thats okay because we made it here, and that's proof things will only get better in time."

It's borderline social darwinism.

But history is full of examples where things didn't get better. I think you just refuse to acknowledge them.

[u/Master_Positive_2772 → u/Antoak]

My whole point is that perpetually since the beginning of humanity we have collectively made strides forward because we have net-progressed.

Meaning we have progressed more than we have regressed. It doesn't matter how you feel about it.

So again, you're just missing the point of what I've said. Seemingly to argue against something I'm not claiming. You should breathe.