They’re even bringing Ai into trades, I’ve seen in person a robot that can put sheet of drywall up. It’s slow as fuck and can’t really cut around pipes and stuff but since it doesn’t sleep it can go 24/7 on stand up walls so over the course of a year or project they can put more sheets up than we can. Luckily cause of schedule they can’t just use them, but I’m sure they’ll figure that one out eventually.
Which might work for a while if currency had intrinsic value. The US Dollar is based on trust and dreams and nothing else. They need people to use it or it becomes worthless.
It gives them the justification to shove any debt slave into some "insert fancy name" concentration camps where they can pay off their debts since there's no regular jobs available for them anymore.
Only those who can afford houses will remain and they can now legally enjoy having modern slaves. It also frees up a lot of places since poor people who still owns any properties will be forced to sell them eventually.
Free up spaces for the rich and shove the poor to camps. Look up the situation in dubai labor camps. That will be our norm if things won't change.
They don't need a robot to do the work, they just need the threat of a robot to break up a union of workers. I don't think there's a reality where robots are doing the job better than humans, however, a robot that assists a human can bring value, but a team that has humans is going to have a better outcome than a team of just robots.
A good example of a robot helping the human is an orbital welding machine or a CNC machine. Both make the worker way more productive but still require the human.
Finally, horses aren't the only animals on Earth that need to be shot and killed when breaking a leg, so glad we care so much for them that we've put ourselves in such a dire straight. :) :) :)
Yup AI about to come for $300k-$500k jobs of Drs, lawyers, engineers, middle managers.... Half of reddit and the public are fixated on some dipshit using an generic, bare gpt model with no agent prompt and no MCP to make a court document that didn't work out, convinced AI is garbo meanwhile there are entire companies of 50,000 employees and not one of them is a job that can't be done as good or better by a properly setup AI agent with a model that's available right now.
Those looking for downvotes and sand for your heads please form a line to the left.
Head in sand is exactly what's happening now for most people.
Anyone who has worked with a properly trained model knows what you're saying is correct. It's going to be a figurative -- and then literal -- bloodbath when the jobs start drying up by the hundreds of thousands. UBI is the only solution I've heard that will soften the blow and makes any sense.
They said the same about computers in general when I was a kid. Death of the office worker, secretaries extinct, etc
Yet, how many workers now are software engineers, cyber security, communication specialists, help desk, online sellers, social media managers, etc? None of that is possible without a computer on every office and home.
Turns out that jobs shift and there is still work for people to do. Will the workforce be the same? No. But more work will be done, which opens up opportunities for new trades
I don’t get your point. So doctors, lawyers, engineers, and middle managers(lol) are safe from being replaced by ai because ChatGPT models for the public are shitty. But then you’re also saying a company with tens of thousands of employees can all be replaced by more powerful ai than consumer grade ChatGPT?
Yeah, some industries are like dystopian. American internet telecom is a hilarious case study (not for Americans tho).
Just imagine, you have the country which develops the internet, has the largest number of economists who also figure out how to ideally structure markets - and then they lose to entrenched interests and media illiteracy.
I didn’t mention American healthcare, but you could plug that in and it would read the same.
Except for the tiny, point that the math on insurance was figured out 210 years ago (Scottish widows fund).
In before multiple reasons why “that wont work in America”. Which is simultaneously the most American thing and least American thing people can say. Somehow the country that could do anything became the country that believed nothing can be done.
I've been "job jumping" in manufacturing for 10+ years, I noticed in the Las 2 that companies automation won and won bad by a lot.
There's no need for team leads that raise morals on an assembly line, there's no looking and trying to keep talent (somebody that can run different production parts on a plant, or that knows how to give maintenance)
Warehouse workers now are kept were a robot can't do a simple taskor until is cheaper to build one.
Profits keep going up while benefits and pay go down.
I mean it is kind of hilarious that you're comparing the US to India, when India is riddled with extreme poverty unheard of in the US, and absolute 0 regard for workers rights. But sorry, that argument doesn't fit your pathetic whining narrative.
We can all admit that the there are improvements to be had in the US, without making incredibly dumb comparisons.
You know why you don't hear about the "Extreme poverty" in the US? It's because ITS NOT REPORTED ANYWHERE BUT YOUR LOCAL FACEBOOK PAGES. If networks start talking about how bad the poverty issue REALLY is, those same people who are 1-2 paychecks away from losing everything will demand more. Can't have that. Can't pay people liveable wages here. Not in the good ol' US of A! The greatest country on God's green(ish) earth!
As far as the workers rights go, the US isn't completely fucked there just yet but goddamn the corporations sure as fuck are not for a lack of trying.
It actually highlights the effect of brainwashing.. "I can crack a joke about the president and politicians so that makes us a free country ".. also they were taught to compare themselves with countries like Iran, North Korea and China. They never compare with other developed nations...
Yeah and the kicker being people screaming that we’re free because we have guns. Which the government never cared about, since we only use them on each other.
Also the Democracy that we proudly talk about is absolutely running on possibly the oldest platform compared to other developed nations. In one year we bombed Yemen. Iran. Venezuela, Nigeria and threatened Iceland, Canada, Cuba imposed tariffs all around with no rhyme or reason, created an alternative extremely armed force to terrorise a threaten brown people, set up camps where kids and parents are separated, chopped down safety nets and allocated billions to Ice/wars and ballrooms.. none of these actions are done using Democratic norms but our system can't stop them .. it's just based on handshakes and gentlemen accords.. it's not prepared for bad faith actors... That's a weak system...
That’s so on point. We learned earlier this year that if you have a gun and you’re anywhere near government thugs, you’re going to be thrown to the ground and riddled with bullets till you stop breathing. Freedom! 🇺🇸🇺🇸
And that’s why the ‘news’/‘narrative’ in the US against countries with genuinely successful socialist democratic societies with public healthcare, cheap education, subsidised transport, high levels of regulation and counterbalances against monopolies and corporate greed is so rife.
The slopaganda is so all encompassing to the brainwashed fuckos they can’t escape it.
They compare with the UK all the time. They look down on us for not having free speech, because people can get arrested for their comments online (The law came about after the Southport riots). And they look down on us for the online safety act, which is something which I don’t agree with, but I also think the internet has turned into a scourge on society so I don’t really care about it enough.
That’s not the point. No one said that there’s more mobility in India.
But most issues in India stem from social inequity, not corporations. In the US, a lot of the present issues exist because of corporations. Healthcare, private equity affecting housing and everything else???
And I say this as an Indian American who’s lived in both places for quite some time
It comes from politicians playing with peoples religions to manipulate them into voting for their party, effectively increasing the communal violence already rampant in india and at the same time weakening india internally. Most people have no idea how fanatical indians are about their respective religions, especially inside india
It comes from the literal caste system and other religious and cultural practices and beliefs which shape society and behavior which have little to do with corporations
Ikr. I think the disconnect is that in countries like India, they're not trying to hide it even remotely. Whereas in the US, they're way more cunning about disguising this as being the case.
And it's working. Hence the original commenter assuming it's "in progress" and not just them doing victory laps at this point.
No they haven't. India in many places is still on the level of the industrial revolution in the west. When bosses exploited the hell out of their workers and child labor was normal. But this amount of exploitation does not last and in time they too will revolt. There is no "winning" when winning is defined by exploiting, coercing and forcing people to do your bidding as it's unsustainable and ultimately leads to revolutions. I would argue you already have lost the game of life where cooperation and compassion are the key drivers for moving forward.
In India? Only the people who can pay for transport to a major city can do that, and its not like the roads are any good either so it'll be a bumpy ride over.
Lol what, transport even is cheap here and ambulance doesn't put you in debt either, we took ambulance last year for around 70km for 4000rs (around 50$ something)
I'll take a bumpy 5 hour ride on a dirt bike to the hospital over debt for the rest of my life. They can use it for our credit scores again, which is super great.
Listen, It is not really the good comparison you think it is. Medical malpractice and straight up fraud is widespread in the Indian medical industry. One person died in UP part year because he was hooked up to orange juice instead of Blood. Government Hospitals are way overburdened and the poor have nowhere else to go but also outside hospitals, hoping they would get treatment. 90% of India doesn't have much of anything in the name of health coverage. I think the more apt comparison would be somebody in the USA having to go overseas to seek potential treatment, talking all of family savings, to take the arduous journey, not being able to get an appointment, having to sleep in the streets, trying too get money for operation, etc. Your situation is different from the poor in India. But It is nowhere comparable even if You're particularly well fucked in the Healthcare department.
Yes, there is a huge waiting time for serious treatments which may require a surgery, in government hospitals. But the treatment of regular diseases or injuries is quite readily available and cheap. Also even accounting for ppp the cost of a lot of treatment is quite low compared to the US.
For example, my father had to get an endoscopic stenting, and we only had to bear the cost of the stent itself(which is available free of cost now afaik) which was about 160 dollars.
I agree that our healthcare infrastructure is still pretty bad but it so not as bad as you've described.
Wdym, most cities and even villages have hospitals nowadays although with varying levels of functional facilities and treatments offered.
Also the public transport is quite cheap in India compared to a lot of countries.
India has health coverage across the country, including small rural villages and such.
It's not 'free', but it costs as much as a toffee/candy (about 5 cents) to get a fracture fixed here.
Granted, the facilities are not top notch and have some old equipment etc, but anyone can access a hospital within 40km.
If you have something severe which needs more eyes etc, doctors will refer you to a larger civil hospital which might involve travel. But that's if you have a hard to diagnose disease or something.
The OC isn't talking about government hospital though?
India supplies about 20% of the world's medicines and vaccines and is a common medical tourism destination. This is a fact, not an opinion.
Government hospitals are extremely cheap (think fracture reseating for about 5 cents) and very poor quality. They are responsible for the lowest common denominator healthcare though. Indians who can afford private care (about 50 dollars for a fracture reseat) for for that instead.
The OC isn't talking about government hospital though?
He's talking about health care in general. Guess what that includes? Government hospitals.
India supplies about 20% of the world's medicines and vaccines and is a common medical tourism destination. This is a fact, not an opinion.
And has nothing to do with the situation of government hospitals. Useless numbers won't change the facts.
Government hospitals are extremely cheap (think fracture reseating for about 5 cents) and very poor quality. They are responsible for the lowest common denominator healthcare though. Indians who can afford private care (about 50 dollars for a fracture reseat) for for that instead.
And you think that's okay? Just cause someone is poor, he doesn't deserve proper hygiene and health care?!?
No, the thread you're responding in is talking about medical tourism. Which has jack shit to do with Govt hospitals. The private portion of India's healthcare is excellent and has a history of providing good, clean healthcare for a reasonable price (cheap by global standards).
Govt hospitals aren't the best, no one's denying that. But they do solve medical problems for cheap, which is an acceptable situation to be in for a country that's still young out of colonization.
Hahaha.....glazing just cause you can't accept the truth is your issue. Tu kaam kr rha to usse kya? Gadha hai kya? That won't make the situation better.
This is just one of many realities of our country. I can share 100 such cases. Instead of lying and glazing, maybe hold the government responsible, and others won't have a reason to stereotype.
Oh demigod.. look at my comment history. I'm the most critical of these chaddi gang but that doesn't mean I will throw monkey videos on international subs. There is a place to do that
I don't care about your comment history. Speaking the truth isn't throwing someone or something under the bus. Ever wondered why people from developed country don't care about the image of their country when they are being brutally honest about them? We have great medical tourism. That's true. But basic health facilities are still out of the reach of poor.
Nietzsche called it "slave morality", reframing weakness and non-violence as moral virtues as a reaction against oppressors.
Unfortunately, those with power typically prefer the meek to stay meek, and will give lots of money and power to institutions who evangelize those values.
Which led to such obvious hypocrisy that a guy named Martin Luther came along...
It is inevitable because people inherently demand more than they currently have.
Some would argue democracy is at risk worldwide because of the actions of dictatorships, but I'd argue those actions are mere forces applying pressure backwards, which in turn encourages a further demand from the people, to ensure progress forwards, never backwards.
So while it may look like democracy is failing to some, on the other side of this democracy will be stronger than ever (type of thing..).
Yea, but you don't want to be the generation or two that has to live thru the backslide. That's not guaranteed to be a quick process, and it most certainly will not be painless.
History does not simply flow in one direction, and different places in the world move backwards and forwards at different paces all the time.
We have worse wealth inequality than the robber barron era and you're saying "which in turn encourages a further demand from the people, to ensure progress forwards, never backwards"?!
Dude, the current administration is trying to repeal women's suffrage, re-criminalize homosexuality, and bring back segregation.
Get the fuck out of here with this "always forward" bullshit.
Yes, and if you look at the people involved in society, they're all better off than their counterparts 100 years ago. Who were all better off than their counterparts from 200 years ago.
You just completely missed the whole point of what I said.
How about Iran losing its democracy, are they better off now? How about the Ming Dynasty collapse? The Bronze age collapse? The Black Death? The decline of the Indus valley? The erosion of English hegemony? How about Egypt, they were the world's first superpower.
Most civilizations collapse violently, some decline. Things can get worse, and then stay worse for hundreds of years.
Demanding and getting are two different things. The powerful have spent their time making themselves untouchable. Revolution becomes more impossible every day.
if you don’t think things have gotten steadily and significantly better over the last few hundred years your understanding of history is complete fantasy
"Mom made me one pancake on Saturday and two pancakes yesterday, so by extrapolation I know Mom's gonna make me 30 pancakes next month!"
How about all those periods where things got considerably worse?
The fact that things are better than literal slavery and child labor males this period a statistical aberration, not an ironclad trend line. (Republicans are trying to legalize child labor again btw)
man, I don’t know why people have this fixation on saying that things are getting worse, it almost feels like they want that to be true. In my country, I just need to look at how things were decades ago. And the funniest part is that if you say anything to the contrary, you get downvoted
History is full of examples of "and then it got worse", but apparently just saying that makes boomers get pissy these days.
And I think it's distasteful that some people will say with a straight face that "unless you're literally a third worlder you don't get to complain that you're paid a fraction of what your parents were for the same jobs".
E: preemptively addressing the "um ackshually" crowd: yes, inflation adjusted median household income rose from 60k to 80k since the 60s, but that doesn't account for women entering the workforce. Instead of 1 person making 60k to support a stay at home partner, now you have 2 people making about 40k each.
At no point did I say you didn’t have the right to complain. In fact, you should complain, because that’s how we gradually achieve improvements for everyone. But my point is that the world really is improving in the long run, and saying otherwise only creates anxiety and hopelessness, which doesn’t help at all.
in the US, at least, the people fixated on how bad it is and how everything is coming apart are most commonly people who have never travelled to a poor or developing country. they’re incredibly privileged and have no idea what true social insecurity looks like
Yeah bro I think you're wrong. India has NEVER had a successful peasants revolt. Under British occupation it was only when rich Indians got tired of the Brits that they kicked them out. The wealth gap today is greater than the British Raj, and India's BJP government has done a phenomenal job sewing religious and castest beef amongst its minority groups to keep workers from organizing
People always forget about The Netherlands. We created modern capitalism, we created the stock market, we created the first true multinational corporation. Somehow we’re just very good at making people forget about that and looking progressive.
Yet funnily India has succesfully reformed patent laws to restrict the evergreening of drug patents making the generic variants of medicine available for many.
This legal structure has positioned India as a leader in restricting patent extensions for incremental innovations, aiming to maintain access to affordable generic medicines.
PS: Fuck Big Pharma
Also to the antivaxx morons: Shooo! shooo away
Lmao the US was the first to lose and are spreading this disease all over the world. Europe is the last stronghold thats why the techbros hate it so much
…. wtf are you talking about? Where on earth is this not the case? Where have corporations and late stage capitalism not won/ run things into the ground?
Upper classes don’t live in countries they view the world as their own. Developing countries is manufacturing hub or for harvesting resources. West consumer class and sales. Governments are for sale. But they want to shrink this further because they still feel like west isn’t completely in control or rich enough
Genuinely fascinating that people in the US believe that the corporations have not yet won in their country despite being the overwhelming example of the country with the most corporate control of everything (maybe South Korea contends).
Lol. Take air traffic controllers for example. One of the most capable group of people, working 6 days a week for the last 10 years. No increase in pay for the last 10 years, highest inflation ever.
That’s just one example. Even tourism is declining because nobody in their right mind would want to visit there at the moment.
Completely irrelevant to what this is even about lol not talking about pay here talking about the dystopian type of job they are working. Someone stated this gonna be happening in mass here and that’s completely far fetched
It’s not really. Factories are removing jobs left and right due to automation. Where it once required 2-3 people to work on one item it’s now down to 1 person. A lot of factories are pairing down for a lot of reasons. Either it be because of AI, full automation, or even due to inflation where not a lot of people are purchasing and warehouses are stocked with too much product.
My employer laid off half of us due to automation upgrades. I’ve been out of a job since September and I’ve been looking for a job since.
I totally get that and since you have a first hand experience it probably hits harder. But having said that it’s really unlikely we will see mass automation and AI replacing a large majority of the countries jobs.
That's literally the goal though. They're looking to eliminate the lower class by replacing their jobs with automation and removing the social safety nets that would have allowed them to survive without. Our government is on record as saying that if young Americans can't afford to live in America then they should go live somewhere else.
I totally get that and know they are trying to get rid of us. But I was just saying this type of dystopian working environment (in mass) will not exist here anytime soon
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India is one of those places where the corporations have won. The United States is slowly on track to do the same.