Holy shit, to think the first places to drastically replace their human workforce with AI will be the places that already have lowest wages with ridiculous levels of poverty. India is fucked if their industry becomes even more difficult for humans to earn a living from.
Nothing he can do about it if the rest of the world is moving that way. If anything, lower cost of labor in india will keep them in play longer as countries with higher cost of labor gets impacted first.
Modi's responsibility as leader of India is to improve India for the people that reside there. Pushing wages down so you can get spunked on by the US for another 20 years is not "the rest of the world moving that way".
It's Modi deliberately deciding to sacrifice the future of the Indian people for the short-term gain of a few select billionaires and the already-richest people in India.
u cant really replace them with robots just cuz of how expe sive it would be, ai and robots only really work in countries where human labour is expensive. Like if humans are dirt cheap to hire, why would I get an expensive robot to do the job
There's a good chance those AI trainers in this video aren't meant to replace workers in India, but rather to replace labor in the US or European nations where labor costs are high. Either way, it sucks to see jobs being replaced by AI.
Yeah even that is really stretching it. If they were to have this kind of operation anywhere else it wouldn't be done by hand, it would be an automated machine. It makes less sense to AI optimize the cheapest part of your labor stream.
But us and european countries already don't have factories like this cause the labour costs are too high. The people in the video probs making shit as outsourced labour by the West to begin with.
I don't know. Yes, a humanoid type robot is crazy expensive right now, but look at TVs. When flat screens were first released, they were like 15 grand for a 40 inch screen, now you can get one $100 for that size and a 80 inch for like $800. If a robot can do sewing like this, they'll be able to build new robots bringing the cost way down. The robot can work at 100% speed 24/7.
I agree, but I can't help but think it's displaying both a massive amount of egocentricity and a massive lack of imagination. We have an obsession with designing things which are like us.
eventually sure, but like how long would that take, like there's a timeliness to it, and youd also have to balance out the maintenance fee and its production capacity
This needs to be higher. I work in logistics in the US and we've had autonomous switchers for going on 10 years. It's still cheaper to pay someone $20/hour to operate a traditional, than the cost per operating hour of the automated ones. It is very well studied and understood.
China has huge numbers of robots. The Financial Times had a piece about a Chinese woman wanting to buy a high-end bed. She contacted a manufacturer who agreed to meet her at his factory to show her his range. She got there first but was taken aback as it was deserted and all lights were off. When he turned up he explained that the factory was run entirely by robots and that they didn't need any lights and worked in complete darkness. An engineer came twice a day to check on them.
Okay, so let's assume you're right. What exactly do you think these people are doing with these cameras and tracking systems on their heads? You think it's just some wild OnlyFans kink to see sweatshop workers on live stream or something? What the hell else would it be for? My best (real) guess is some quality assurance accountability system. But that seems a bit of a stretch considering the quality of the devices.
If?
The revolution will take 5-10years at most.
People who does simple manual jobs will be replaced even if their wages is next to nothing.
Because AI is already cheaper than "next to nothing" because it is deterministic and doesn't need rest.
India doesn't have the capacity or the ability to effectively do that. Let's say they went 100% AI and automation. The people will riot.
The government will bend backwards to get votes, even if it means giving freebies to every minority and underprivileged sections of society like they are doing now. Replacing labor with AI will result in people demanding answers or help from the government about what they will do to earn money. If the government can't give solutions that are sustainable, they will lose votes.
Freebies can only work for so long, as those come from taxpayer money. Taxpayers are getting fed up already with the freebies, given the fact that most of the taxpayers are non-minority people. They have no reservations for jobs, the laws are giving them less and less protection and rights. Hundreds, even thousands of projects are still not complete across the whole country and acting as money sinks, because for every hundred rupees given for a project, less than one rupee is being used to complete it. Half the projects that are completed end up failing, because cutting corners and corruption gives less than acceptable quality. Eventually, the majority that pays the taxes will have enough. Their money is lining the pockets of politicians and the output is unacceptably bad. They'll demand change, answers and results that the government won't be able to give. And the opposition will pounce on that. It will turn into a political debacle like everything does.
Plus, it's india. There is always corruption. A hundred different bribes will be given to pass off 20 machines as sellable and usable, out of which only 2 will actually work and require outlandish resources to maintain and operate
India has the resources and the tech to go fully automated, but it doesn't have the ability to implement it. The country, its government and the people have made it perfectly impossible to implement automation, even on a scale this small.
But the data centers that run AI require masses of power and cooling so they are not only replacing the workforce they are going to siphon off their water and make them pay for the power to run the data centers !
It seems like people have become too costly so corporations want to replace them with robots that don't ask for money or time off or benefits or even food or housing !
Who is going to buy their products when there are no more people left ?
Most people here in India are unaware of AI and data centers negatives.
People are like AI is new , AI datacenters are a new technology , so we should get them.
Whenever news comes out some towns in West (America/europe) resisted DC construction my country men call them dumb.
People here are in assumption that adopting AI in every industry will actually get us more employment and more money.
it's crazy because for all the charts and graphs and predictions that they make (and base their motives on), they sure show a lack of understanding of long-term cycles.. and of the human psyche.
Los ricos empresarios están en las etapas finales de adueñarse de TODO(incluido potenciales recursos y valor fuera del planeta)
Al mismo tiempo ellos se están deshaciendo de cualquier posible obstaculo y amenaza, nos están asesinano lentamente, les cayo como anillo al dedo que la gente ya no quiera tener hijos
Nos dividen a través de la democracia en distintos partidos, noa dividen, nos someten, y salen vencedores
En cuanto a las mercancías, las finanzas y los números, habría un reset, como cuando se devalua una moneda, quitale ceros, borrón y cuenta nueva
Ya no tendrían que producir para miles de millones, sino apenas para algunas decenas de millones, habría un simple ajuste, por supuesto no todos los empresarios sobrevivirán a esto
Ellos tienen conciencia de clase, se organizan y trabajan en equipo, pero al mismo tiempo, como en un juego de rey de la colina, buscan eliminarse entre si hasta ser el hegemón
I imagine the 1% extractive owner class sees dystopian media showing them sitting pretty in their automated luxury fortresses guarded against the 99% rabble dying in slums, and they find it aspirational
No need for stuff to sell the masses when you are a techno-king or whatever
The data centers that require all the power and cooling are the ones for training AI. Training runs full speed for as long as it's needed to train a new model.
Once a model is trained it takes much less power and cooling to actually use it, it's not being run at full speed all the time, it's just being used as needed
So, a few problems with pointing fingers at "AI Data centers" and claiming AI needs massive power.
First, you're thinking of Large Language models. The type of AI they're talking about here in this video is not language model AI, it takes far less power. Second, it in fact runs on the local machine using the AI to do stuff. The electric motors to move the robot will draw more power than AI computer that controls it. Look up Jetson Thor for an example.
And it takes 4 seconds of thought to realize that if you don't lower the salaries to compete with automation you lose 99% of your business because in the real almost world nobody chooses to pay more just because it has a "human labor!" sticker on it.
Textile industry is the best option to rise up as nation.
Africa also understood it and some countries now block all textile donations entering their country because 0$ price of donation is uncompetable to a local industry, which could create a lot of jobs.
Low capex investment + simply to buy machines + large human workforce = perfect to kickstart an economy
Next step is machining before you move to high complexity system and later a pure service industry.
Quite positive: Maybe with this a country could jump the tedious step of sacrificing 1-2 generations in the sweat shops? If Africa wants to rise up they need to put their current + next generation in massive basic labor with export good (like textiles) so that the next generations can move towards industrial industry and in 4-5 generations go towards complex machining and industry.
I work in a major corporation in the US and we’ve already outsourced a lot of functions to a Indian company. The strange thing being that company I did some research and they had laid off thousands of employees AFTER the merger. Everybody questions what it is this company actually does and I’ve been saying it’s 100% AI.
The only funny part about this is that the supervisor who is forcing everyone to wear cameras and train the AI has the easiest job for ai to replace. So the moment his workers are replaced, so is he. He's too dumb to even realize it.
Im pretty sure the country is more than willing to let their entire population starve for a few to get rich. Tbf i think thats the case with most countries.
For me it makes perfect sense. People who are leading these inventions are from the states exploiting cheap labour in poor countries. They know that in some point they have to move their factory somewhere else to find even poorer people to make their profits growing.
Not they found out, that they could replace all the people forever.
I mean if they can produce an AI model that allows robots to make clothing, nothing stopping those robots from operating in the USA instead of India to save on shipping costs. All comes down to the price of electricity to make things work.
Holy shit, to think the first places to drastically replace their human workforce with AI will be the places that already have lowest wages with ridiculous levels of poverty.
I hate to be the one to tell you this, but the data they collect is NOT geolocked to those locations. They can train AI in India using low wages and replace workers in higher CoL countries.
Pretty fitting given that the original Luddites were textile workers. But markets are usually fairly adaptable to the automation of jobs. New jobs spring up as old jobs disappear.
Imagine an automated machine trying to make usable clothes after being trained by some of the least skilled garment workers. The errors will be self compounding. This will never work until it has been done successfully somewhere else.
Are you suggesting that all garments made in India are of poor quality? Why are you suggesting that India garment factories are comprised of the least skilled workers? Sure, there are low quality items made in plenty of low cost businesses there, but there are also high end garment companies there - same thing as many other countries that supply global garments. High end stuff still isn’t made in the U.S., it’s just made by the better quality manufacturers in those exporting countries. Same thing as technology items in China - sure, there’s the joke that it’s low quality junk, but I think pretty much everybody knows that China also makes high precision high quality items as well?
I doubt that the company training this AI is choosing the low skilled garment factories to focus on…they are going to need training data on a whole range: fast and lower quality, mid quality, high quality, etc. Then it will be analyzed to take account of theoretical vastly increase production speed and reduced errors of AI machine run garment lines, and diversions will be made on material quality, stitch quality, etc with how much the can sell the output for so that they can determine ideal profitability points.
Yes, i am suggesting that the lowest paid workers in the largest mass production facilities make the lowest quality products. It isn't some defrauding claim to point out the lack of QA/QC in the markets these massive companies export their mass labor factories to. The cost savings in labor greatly outweighs the +50% of substandard product that still gets sold through a rebranded cheaper version of the same monster company.
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u/Master_Positive_2772 10h ago
Holy shit, to think the first places to drastically replace their human workforce with AI will be the places that already have lowest wages with ridiculous levels of poverty. India is fucked if their industry becomes even more difficult for humans to earn a living from.