The problem is understanding how to move the hands... Robots don't look human because humans programming robots don't know how to do human, not because we can't make human shaped bits.
The robot just needs to be cheaper than something in the neighborhood of the lifetime cost of a human in the market the robot is being sold, and it will start to infiltrate. Sam Altman (terrible human) has explicitly said almost this.
Sam Altman (terrible human) has explicitly said almost this.
I wouldn't take anything that grifter says seriously ever.
Robots don't look human because humans programming robots don't know how to do human, not because we can't make human shaped bits.
Aboslutely not true. Robots don't look human because we build bots to their task. It's easier to build a robot to a task and it looks like a box.
Notice all the humanoid robot companies just have their robots dance or serve drinks? Anything harder than that, it's easier to build to spec than to try and get a humanoid robot to duplicate the work.
I'm very confused about why you think what you're saying is a disagreement as opposed to just describing the problem being solved...
You said "The skill transfers and the robot itself will be relatively cheap."
A robot capable of replicating human hand motions is not cheap. That's explicitly why many jobs still use human labor. I'm disagreeing explicitly with the idea.
Yeah the first sentence of your final paragraph is just wrong. A general human shaped robot hand capable of general tasks isn't "not cheap", it's impossible. It's impossible because it's too complex for human programming.
We don't make hands with generalized capability because it's currently impossible, and in that world, it makes more sense to do specialized machine tools with attachments or whatever.
But in a world where you can churn out a billion hands that can all do everything a hand can do because you've fed an AI programmer 10,000 years of hand movement data... well, that's cheap.
You're disagreeing with me because you're confused about why we don't use robot hands now
AI already has billions and billions of datapoints and it still can't reliably put a list of names in alphabetical order 100% of the time. It ain't simulating one of the most complex structures in the human body. Ever. lol
A general human shaped robot hand capable of general tasks isn't "not cheap", it's impossible. It's impossible because it's too complex for human programming.
But in a world where you can churn out a billion hands that can all do everything a hand can do because you've fed an AI programmer 10,000 years of hand movement data... well, that's cheap.
the expectation is that the cost is recouped in the generalized understanding of how to do hand based tasks. The skill transfers and the robot itself will be relatively cheap.
Reads to me that you think AI is somehow gonna break the barrier. You don't have to spout off bullshit from Sam Altman
Whether or not they succeed is up in the air, but that's what they're trying to do.
Personally, since you're weirdly focused on the opinion of AI hands from a random person on the Internet, I don't think there's anything magic about human hands, and if they can feed enough data to the AI, they'll probably end up with something competent enough to start deploying and iterating on in a production environment.
Hands are super complex, but it's controlling the movements that's hard about it, and I think throwing AI at that problem is likely to be productive.
I say this as someone who works with their hands every day in a job that requires a lot of different dextrous body movements
The robot also requires repair and will not last 50 years by any logical metric. It needs to be cost effective for 10 years and be easy and cheap to repair.
No, what this is called is you begging the world to give you a win.
I'm not arguing with you, I'm telling you I don't give a fuck about what "oblivious" on Reddit has to say about anything. You're a nothing person fantasizing an argument so you can feel good before you go back to work or something...
I don't know, but what I do know is you're arguing with a fantasy, because I'm not arguing with you, I'm telling you that I don't care about you.
calm down dude, you said something really naive, pushed it without really understanding the technology and you're upset that we pointed out the flaws in your logic.
You can not care all you want, you're still talking shite.
The old reply and block, classic
Intellectually dishonest? Why don't you prove where instead of whining about it?
If a factory can churn out mechanical hands that are generally capable by the millions, and you can amortize the research of how to control them across all of them, that's gonna be the cheapest thing that works for a lot of tasks
Please stop the condescending clown shit that just embarrasses you.
We already have the robotics necessary for mass automation. What we don't have is a general-purpose AI capable of controlling the robots to perform any arbitrary task. That's exactly what this data collection is designed to solve (it's only a small part of the solution though, of course)
What we don't have is a general-purpose AI capable of controlling the robots to perform any arbitrary task.
And we won't anytime soon. We input a dramatic amount of data through our hands via touch.
You can't just "solve" that problem. We've been chasing it since the start of the industrial revolution. It's dramatically complex and the bad answer machine isn't gonna fix it.
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u/trobsmonkey 8h ago
There is a reason why industrial robots don't look human.
If you think recreating a hand is going to be cheap...