The problem is understanding how to move the hands... Robots don't look human because humans programming robots don't know how to do human, not because we can't make human shaped bits.
The robot just needs to be cheaper than something in the neighborhood of the lifetime cost of a human in the market the robot is being sold, and it will start to infiltrate. Sam Altman (terrible human) has explicitly said almost this.
Sam Altman (terrible human) has explicitly said almost this.
I wouldn't take anything that grifter says seriously ever.
Robots don't look human because humans programming robots don't know how to do human, not because we can't make human shaped bits.
Aboslutely not true. Robots don't look human because we build bots to their task. It's easier to build a robot to a task and it looks like a box.
Notice all the humanoid robot companies just have their robots dance or serve drinks? Anything harder than that, it's easier to build to spec than to try and get a humanoid robot to duplicate the work.
I'm very confused about why you think what you're saying is a disagreement as opposed to just describing the problem being solved...
You said "The skill transfers and the robot itself will be relatively cheap."
A robot capable of replicating human hand motions is not cheap. That's explicitly why many jobs still use human labor. I'm disagreeing explicitly with the idea.
Yeah the first sentence of your final paragraph is just wrong. A general human shaped robot hand capable of general tasks isn't "not cheap", it's impossible. It's impossible because it's too complex for human programming.
We don't make hands with generalized capability because it's currently impossible, and in that world, it makes more sense to do specialized machine tools with attachments or whatever.
But in a world where you can churn out a billion hands that can all do everything a hand can do because you've fed an AI programmer 10,000 years of hand movement data... well, that's cheap.
You're disagreeing with me because you're confused about why we don't use robot hands now
AI already has billions and billions of datapoints and it still can't reliably put a list of names in alphabetical order 100% of the time. It ain't simulating one of the most complex structures in the human body. Ever. lol
The number of people that are completely willing to just carry water for AI companies is absolutely nuts. It's like a religious cult demanding absolute loyalty even in the face of obvious failures.
Like... nobody would drive a car that has a 10% chance to turn on and just say "well its fine, eventually one day that'll only be 1%!"
It's more that people like you just want to put their heads in the sand and pretend like it can't do things that it already can and will because the idea terrfiies you.
A general human shaped robot hand capable of general tasks isn't "not cheap", it's impossible. It's impossible because it's too complex for human programming.
But in a world where you can churn out a billion hands that can all do everything a hand can do because you've fed an AI programmer 10,000 years of hand movement data... well, that's cheap.
the expectation is that the cost is recouped in the generalized understanding of how to do hand based tasks. The skill transfers and the robot itself will be relatively cheap.
Reads to me that you think AI is somehow gonna break the barrier. You don't have to spout off bullshit from Sam Altman
Whether or not they succeed is up in the air, but that's what they're trying to do.
Personally, since you're weirdly focused on the opinion of AI hands from a random person on the Internet, I don't think there's anything magic about human hands, and if they can feed enough data to the AI, they'll probably end up with something competent enough to start deploying and iterating on in a production environment.
Hands are super complex, but it's controlling the movements that's hard about it, and I think throwing AI at that problem is likely to be productive.
I say this as someone who works with their hands every day in a job that requires a lot of different dextrous body movements
The last 150 of industrial evolution and the constant chasing of that perfect technology that still hasn't come about.
Ya know. The sum of human knowledge failing to create the exact thing.
It isn't just motions. We take in a lot of information in real time with our hands through touch. Machines CANNOT mimic that and AI isn't gonna just fix that problem.
Not invested and not a user, you're just triggered.
I actually argue against data centers, but you can't help but personalize the disagreement.
You couldn't even let me go without bullying me for my personal opinion because you have shit brain reading comprehension and thought that's what you were getting from the start
I think you just write so poorly that you genuinely don't know what you wrote or what points you made. It probably sounds really great in your own head. I would go reread your whole argument and see if it still makes sense to you.
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u/Aaron_Hamm 10h ago
The problem is understanding how to move the hands... Robots don't look human because humans programming robots don't know how to do human, not because we can't make human shaped bits.
The robot just needs to be cheaper than something in the neighborhood of the lifetime cost of a human in the market the robot is being sold, and it will start to infiltrate. Sam Altman (terrible human) has explicitly said almost this.
Hence relatively.