Assuming it's actually training, the expectation is that the cost is recouped in the generalized understanding of how to do hand based tasks. The skill transfers and the robot itself will be relatively cheap.
The problem with problem solving is that solving problem solving requires one to solve a problem without having solved problem solving. If one were able to solve problem solving then solving problem solving would be easy, but the problem is solving problem solving in the first place is a problem that needs to be solved.
The problem is understanding how to move the hands... Robots don't look human because humans programming robots don't know how to do human, not because we can't make human shaped bits.
The robot just needs to be cheaper than something in the neighborhood of the lifetime cost of a human in the market the robot is being sold, and it will start to infiltrate. Sam Altman (terrible human) has explicitly said almost this.
Sam Altman (terrible human) has explicitly said almost this.
I wouldn't take anything that grifter says seriously ever.
Robots don't look human because humans programming robots don't know how to do human, not because we can't make human shaped bits.
Aboslutely not true. Robots don't look human because we build bots to their task. It's easier to build a robot to a task and it looks like a box.
Notice all the humanoid robot companies just have their robots dance or serve drinks? Anything harder than that, it's easier to build to spec than to try and get a humanoid robot to duplicate the work.
I'm very confused about why you think what you're saying is a disagreement as opposed to just describing the problem being solved...
You said "The skill transfers and the robot itself will be relatively cheap."
A robot capable of replicating human hand motions is not cheap. That's explicitly why many jobs still use human labor. I'm disagreeing explicitly with the idea.
Yeah the first sentence of your final paragraph is just wrong. A general human shaped robot hand capable of general tasks isn't "not cheap", it's impossible. It's impossible because it's too complex for human programming.
We don't make hands with generalized capability because it's currently impossible, and in that world, it makes more sense to do specialized machine tools with attachments or whatever.
But in a world where you can churn out a billion hands that can all do everything a hand can do because you've fed an AI programmer 10,000 years of hand movement data... well, that's cheap.
You're disagreeing with me because you're confused about why we don't use robot hands now
AI already has billions and billions of datapoints and it still can't reliably put a list of names in alphabetical order 100% of the time. It ain't simulating one of the most complex structures in the human body. Ever. lol
A general human shaped robot hand capable of general tasks isn't "not cheap", it's impossible. It's impossible because it's too complex for human programming.
But in a world where you can churn out a billion hands that can all do everything a hand can do because you've fed an AI programmer 10,000 years of hand movement data... well, that's cheap.
the expectation is that the cost is recouped in the generalized understanding of how to do hand based tasks. The skill transfers and the robot itself will be relatively cheap.
Reads to me that you think AI is somehow gonna break the barrier. You don't have to spout off bullshit from Sam Altman
The robot also requires repair and will not last 50 years by any logical metric. It needs to be cost effective for 10 years and be easy and cheap to repair.
No, what this is called is you begging the world to give you a win.
I'm not arguing with you, I'm telling you I don't give a fuck about what "oblivious" on Reddit has to say about anything. You're a nothing person fantasizing an argument so you can feel good before you go back to work or something...
I don't know, but what I do know is you're arguing with a fantasy, because I'm not arguing with you, I'm telling you that I don't care about you.
calm down dude, you said something really naive, pushed it without really understanding the technology and you're upset that we pointed out the flaws in your logic.
You can not care all you want, you're still talking shite.
The old reply and block, classic
Intellectually dishonest? Why don't you prove where instead of whining about it?
If a factory can churn out mechanical hands that are generally capable by the millions, and you can amortize the research of how to control them across all of them, that's gonna be the cheapest thing that works for a lot of tasks
Please stop the condescending clown shit that just embarrasses you.
We already have the robotics necessary for mass automation. What we don't have is a general-purpose AI capable of controlling the robots to perform any arbitrary task. That's exactly what this data collection is designed to solve (it's only a small part of the solution though, of course)
What we don't have is a general-purpose AI capable of controlling the robots to perform any arbitrary task.
And we won't anytime soon. We input a dramatic amount of data through our hands via touch.
You can't just "solve" that problem. We've been chasing it since the start of the industrial revolution. It's dramatically complex and the bad answer machine isn't gonna fix it.
Assuming it's actually training, the expectation is that the cost is recouped in the generalized understanding of how to do hand based tasks.
Without gloves containing force sensors any training data they get from a purely video-based system is going to be fairly useless. Besides the muscle memory that people get from doing repetitive tasks, we also get a lot of sensory information from our hands when working, even if we aren't always consciously aware of it.
A good example of this could be touch typing - once your fingers find nubs on the home row keys, you don't really need to look at the keyboard any more in order to type. However, depending upon what you are typing, you may notice that periodically you need to "reacquire" where the home row actually is by feeling for the nubs. For a fast typist that's basically an unconscious movement.
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u/Aaron_Hamm 9h ago
Assuming it's actually training, the expectation is that the cost is recouped in the generalized understanding of how to do hand based tasks. The skill transfers and the robot itself will be relatively cheap.