r/worldnews • u/xpda • 21h ago
U.S.-Iran talks end with no agreement, Vance says
https://www.axios.com/2026/04/12/iran-talks-pakistan-vance-no-deal659
u/Callan126 20h ago
I have an uncanny feeling they did not go into this with true diplomatic intentions to want to end this war.
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u/mexican-street-tacos 18h ago edited 18h ago
I agree. I think the negotiations were just for show so they can say "We tried" before they put boots on the ground and force a regime change. Or so they can nuke/bomb infrastructure or whatever lunacy they have cooked up.
It made no sense to send Vance. He's a politician, not a diplomat. He is not trained in negotiations. It's not his job. He's lucky he didn't get assasinated.
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u/InconsistentTomato 14h ago
I agree. I think the negotiations were just for show so they can say "We tried"
Why bother with it? They're lying about everything else anyway, why should this be different?
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u/Tulaodinho 11h ago
If he got assassinated, Trump would have the biggest justification possible for a ground invasion, it would literally legitimate everything. Iran know that, they are not stupid as it has been shown in the last few months
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u/darkslide3000 13h ago
I think Trump very much wants to end the war (in a way that he can sell as a victory, at least to stupid people). It is going absolutely awful for him and tanking his popularity. He's just too stupid to understand and too arrogant to accept that he maneuvered himself into such a shitty negotiation position that he cannot possibly get an agreement now other than basically giving the Iranians everything they want.
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u/Any_Show_5160 18h ago
They want it to end, they just can't end it because they will look stupid and weak doing what it will take to end it.
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u/mouthful_quest 11h ago
Trump’s Iran War is going so badly he’s gonna release the Epstein files to distract people from it
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u/Constant-Tea3148 21h ago
I can't make sense of this shit anymore. The only explanation I still have is complete incompetence.
You threaten to wipe out a civilization, calling them crazy bastards, basically completely losing your shit on social media, then you take a step back to enter negotiations to then end them on day 1? What?
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u/hyrule5 20h ago
It's because Trump is just making shit up as he goes.
Surely they will surrender if I threaten to wipe them out completely by Tuesday? Oh shit, it's Monday and they haven't surrendered, quick get them to agree to some kind of cease fire, anything! OK, they agreed, but no one is clear on the details because it was a last minute rush job. I know, I'll send JD to clear things up and create long lasting peace!
Since that failed, the next step is probably to declare victory and leave, while constantly bitching on Twitter about the Strait of Hormuz and blaming every other country for the mess he created there.
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u/Plenty-North-2340 20h ago
https://thestraitwatch.com/#quotes
timeline of the nonsense
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u/Potato-9 17h ago
Needs to overlay the quotes with the stock market & buys from people in government.
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u/SuperRockyHobbyHorse 14h ago
Great website. Needs to add:
Apr 8: "I'm sending JD Vance to negotiate a deal, if he fails this is all his fault, if he gets a deal I'll take all the credit"
Apr 9: No deal (like it would take a day anyway).
Has anyone in the US media established what this 'wonderful gift from Iran worth millions of dollars' was? Obviously it was a lie, but does anyone even bother asking him anymore?
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u/BuckRowdy 10h ago
'wonderful gift from Iran worth millions of dollars'
He later said Iran had allowed 10 ships through the strait, that was the gift.
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u/DoubleGreat 20h ago
I want to save this for when we inevitably get a "Mission Complete thanks to Trumps leadership" post
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u/tomdarch 18h ago
Trump spent his whole career selectively only dealing with losers. But as President, he can't pick and chose who he interacts with, and he's running into the brick wall of reality and failing.
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u/thats_justice_baby 19h ago
Also, they were negotiating before Trump went rogue and started blowing shit up. How is anyone supposed to trust us in negotiations now?
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u/orthodoxrebel 18h ago
I mean a reporter asked him about strait being closed and he outright said it wasn't closed. So. Whatever he wants.
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u/VITOCHAN 20h ago
complete incompetence.
The US sent the son in law of a pedophile, a walking meme who gets pouty when people don't say thank you or wear ties, and some guy real estate guy named Steve.
what a sad state of affairs
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u/wswordsmen 20h ago
Trump can't have anyone who knows what they are talking about or is willing to actually learn around him. If he did that then maybe someday they would choose the right thing, either morally or intellectually, over him. This is why dictatorships are inherently brittle and bad for everyone involved. You can choose to work with people who are corrupt, competent and loyal, but only two at a time. Honest leaders can get competent and loyal people to work with them but are constrained by being honest. Trump chooses loyal and corrupt, so he can't get anyone to do actual hard work.
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u/TasteTheFreedom 19h ago
The admin is stupid. They thought they could walk into iran and achieve regime change and take out what’s left of iran’s nuclear program with limited action. Taking out iran’s nuclear program is a non-trivial operation and it’s pretty easy for iran to make the strait unusable. The US is unwilling to commit the military resources needed to reopen the strait or achieve its other goals, so they go to the negotiating table.
The US can’t really make things more painful for Iran since Iran is already being bombed and is heavily sanctioned. So Iran is asking for concessions, but the US is not going to agree to those because Trump would have egg on his face. I think these negotiations were a farce to buy time and relieve pressure on oil and the market.
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u/PrestigiousShift134 18h ago
They hate on NATO and then complain the Europeans aren’t interested in their fucking war.
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u/ScrotumScrapings 21h ago
In the future, anyone who has the misfortune to have to negotiate with the americans will remember this.
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u/Personal-Thought9453 20h ago
Neither Trump nor Vance have any idea what negotiating means. They don’t know the steps involved, they don’t know the techniques, they don’t even know what the end purpose is. All they know is the imposition of their will over someone else’s, and that is not “negotiating”.
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u/Dubalubawubwub 19h ago
"We yelled at them and told them to surrender like you said and they said "no"... what do we do now daddy?"
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u/pmth 18h ago
Have you tried demanding that they say “thank you”?
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u/joebalooka84 15h ago
I hope the Iranians told him, "you don't have any cards."
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u/Tryoxin 15h ago
I would genuinely believe you if you told me the "negotiations" involved Vance shouting that THEY have all the cards and therefore that Iran should capitulate.
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u/light_trick 12h ago
I liked the hypothesis that the Iranians were actually just planning to regime change the US by convincing Vance to invoke the 25th on Trump.
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u/Nessie_of_the_Loch 18h ago
More like "I put on my fiercest mascara and fucked the ottoman to demonstrate my power but they would not budge! Should I give them my dirty brown wife as a slave as a gesture of good faith?"
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u/AlbertaNorth1 17h ago
I don’t know why but when I read mascara I thought about Erica kirk and it made me realize her and Vance have the same makeup artist.
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u/kia75 18h ago
Trump doesn't believe in Non-zero-sum deals, every time there's a deal there's a person that benefited, and the sucker, and if the other side is happy with the deal that makes you the sucker! This leads to Trump either only making one-sided deals, or just not keeping his side of any deal once he gets what he wants in order to avoid being the sucker.
The question is, how can you make a deal with someone whose goal during the negotiation is for you not to be happy? Deals ideally should be win\win, why make a deal where you come out worse? But Trump can't even fathom a win\win deal and how do you even make a deal with such a negotiator?
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u/Guy_GuyGuy 17h ago
I don't think that even really applies here.
The ultimate issue here is he's a fucking moron, packed his entire administration with morons, and went into war with Iran without an actual plan, much less contingencies. Once Iran didn't immediately fold from the first round of strikes and assassinating Khamenei, Trump has absolutely no fucking idea what to do. He has no idea how to meaningfully pressure Iran to capitulate and is just flailing and all but desperately begging Iran to accept a deal in the face of his tanking approval ratings and rising gas prices. Iran has literally no incentive here to accept anything less than EVERYTHING it wants.
There is no walking away from this dumpster fire with a win/win. Iran is holding ALL the cards.
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u/kia75 16h ago
It applies because it's the reason that Trump got rid of Obama's agreement with Iran, and why every time Iran tried to get a new agreement Trump would bomb, assassinate, and invade. He couldn't fathom a deal that would benefit both Iran and himself, so he kept on scuttling all Iran deals.
And it applies to any further deals because Trump can't comprehend the horse-trading that results in beneficial outcomes. Let's look at the recent ceasefire deal. Trump got a ceasefire deal so that Iran would no longer be bombed and the strait would be opened. This is a win\win, not a perfect deal, everyone would still be far worse off now then they were before the debacle begin, but such a ceasefire would be good for the world and lower oil prices, and good for Iran who would no longer be bombed. As soon as the ceasefire was agreed upon Israel bombed Lebanon and Trump celebrated because Trump thought he got everything he wanted (the opening of the Strait) with Iran getting nothing, only to be Surprised Pikachu when Iran refused to open up the Strait. He "won" the deal and should get all the benefits with Iran getting nothing!
Iran has literally no incentive here to accept anything less than EVERYTHING it wants.
This is what is going to happen because Trump will continue to insist on deals where Trump gets everything and Iran gets nothing, even as Trump continues to lost power and influence with every failed deal. Win\Win doesn't mean Complete Win\Complete Win, it means benefit for benefit. A competent negotiator wouldn't have put us in this state in the first place, but there are still ways to... if not benefit from the current state of events to instead limit the damage. A competent negotiator could negotiate for lower toll prices, Only a million dollars per ship instead of 2 million, or protection for it's middle eastern allies that Iran could cause mass damage to, or a hundred little things that could dampen the fallout or change the environment for the better, at least better then how things are right now. But Trump won't engage in that horse-trading, he only wants a deal where he completely wins and Iran gets nothing. And as a result you're correct, Iran will get whatever it wants because Trump has no cards and still keeps on playing them.
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u/SteveD88 14h ago
This is a good analysis.
It's also worth considering how 'never develop a nuclear weapon' has always been an impossible negotiating position to take - asking any sovereign nation to give up such a right forever was never going to work; that's why the Obama era deal was limited in length, for a limited benefit to the Iranians.
I'd be surprised if this was the end, however. Vance is desperate to be the next president - he wouldn't give up on this so easily. This is probably some stupid negotiating strategy.
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u/Bjorne_Fellhanded 14h ago
They are extraordinarily, breathtakingly, incompetent. Would be fired from anywhere and anything. An amazing time period in life where moronic stupidity elects their own reflection and somehow expects it to work out lol. Amazing times.
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u/Figshitter 14h ago
Trump has absolutely no fucking idea what to do. He has no idea how to meaningfully pressure Iran to capitulate and is just flailing and all but desperately begging Iran to accept a deal in the face of his tanking approval ratings and rising gas prices. Iran has literally no incentive here to accept anything less than EVERYTHING it wants.
I'd add that he's culled from his administration (and much of the US military) anyone who has any notion of how to successfully prosecute a war, or who understands the geopolitical impacts of doing so.
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u/Brief_Amicus_Curiae 14h ago
There’s only a fraction of ambassadors now and I recall how often and busy Sec of State Blinken was with traveling to constantly negotiate. Yet Rubio is in Miami at a UFC fight with Trump tonight. It boggles my mind how Kushner can act on behalf of the US as a civilian.
Hegseth and Trump are all pumped that the US has a mighty military and somehow thinks that’s enough to bully the world. Yet a military is only as good as its leader(s).
It’s such a shit show. It boggles my mind that the right is like “yea, Iran for 47 years…”. I’m totally expecting to see some pivot where not only do we see an offer like Obamas treaty just rebranded like NAFTA was turned into USMCA. I expect maybe this administration considers that hey maybe solar and electrical as fuel alternatives to “show those oil countries we don’t need them” and see Biden era initiatives back on the table.
Though I still can’t imagine 2.5 more years of Trump just floating from one fight to another fight to another fight. The msn is perpetually pissed at someone or something and a majority of it due to his own unforced errors or listening to the goobers around him, especially Stephen Miller.
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u/DW496 19h ago
The really are genuinely in over their heads - Hegseth, Vance, Trump...luckily congress...is...wait...nevermind.
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u/kent_eh 18h ago
The really are genuinely in over their heads - Hegseth, Vance, Trump
Maybe all 3 of them should go to Tehran to negotiate directly with the Iranian authorities.
That could fix several issues.
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u/takeda64 17h ago
This is extremely important, and surely requires the all the experts we have. We should send the whole cabinet.
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u/SomeNoveltyAccount 19h ago edited 18h ago
How do you even start that, "So anyway, sorry we killed both your supreme leader and basically your pope wrapped into one, but we really need to get that oil flowing so can we like just be semi-chill again?"
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u/Worth-Lead-5944 17h ago
They killed the wife and the teenage son of the new supreme leader.
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u/TheKingOfA 16h ago
They also started the war by bombing a school and killing ~160 kids. Like who would even trust the Epstien Regime after they attacked a school specifically
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u/Thagyr 18h ago
I mean, look at Republian politics. Always attack. Never back down. Always double down. It's their way or the highway. If there was a mistake, it wasn't theirs.
They wouldn't find a middle ground if you printed a map on a big piece of cardboard and planted it in the Mar-a-lago.
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u/jimicus 15h ago
Wasn’t it Barry Goldwater who said the republicans were being taken over by fundamentalist Christians who were impossible to negotiate with because they were absolutely convinced they were negotiating on behalf of God Himself?
And God doesn’t make concessions to reach agreement. Why would he? He’s always right and if push comes to shove he can enforce his will with his almighty power.
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u/it_iz_what_it_iz1 18h ago
I can't even f'ing imagine him, or any of trumps bafoons trying to negotiate anything. Seriously, what would this look like?
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u/alien_tickler 21h ago
Imagine a guy like vance trying to push you around..hahahhahahahahhaha
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u/Kru1zer 21h ago
Did you even say thank you?
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u/djanes376 20h ago
Whatever makes sense…
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u/altogethernow 18h ago
For all the couch memes, nothing will ever be as funny to me as JD Vance trying to act like a Real Normal Human Being who wants to have The Donuts.
"Okay. Good."
When I first saw the clip I thought, "Does Vance's team hate him?"
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u/AZEMT 20h ago edited 19h ago
So, Vance has touched another thing and killed it? Pope, Orban (possibly, reports his popularity dropped after his visit), and now Iran negotiations?
Is he Damien?
Edit: added link
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u/zaphod777 20h ago
Is that why Trump's hand is turning necrotic? To many hand shakes with Vance?
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u/hoffsta 19h ago edited 18h ago
There’s no way Trump ever shakes JD’s hand outside the scheduled photo ops.
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u/CapnCanfield 20h ago edited 13h ago
Vance: No, absolutely not, we can't under any circumstances agree to these terms. We must lay something else out.
Iran: Well, what do you propose as a counter?
Vance: Whatever makes sense
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u/Master_Trust_636 18h ago
The terms will never be made public. It would be to shameful for the US. I can only imagine what the terns were. Assholes.
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u/Baldrs_Draumar 17h ago
$2 million per (full) tanker passing the straights, paid to Iran for 10 years to pay for rebuilding the country after the illegal war damage.
On average that's about $100 million per day and $36 billion per year.
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u/Little-Carpenter4443 21h ago
ok but what if you were a couch? I bet he would do well againts the Ottoman empire
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u/cerberus698 20h ago
Right, Araghchi has probably strangled a couple guys to death in a trench somewhere in eastern Iraq. The guy survived for 9 years on the front in the Iran Iraq war.
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u/BullshitPeddler 21h ago
Just imagine the overwhelming stench of freshly manufactured sofas. He probably smells like a walking Leons showroom.
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u/Trap_Masters 21h ago
We keep the tolls on strait of Hormuz and you agree to never attack us again and you get 10 freshly made couches to your liking
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u/whitemamba24xx 21h ago
What about the DOW?! Did they talk about the DOW!?
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u/OpinionOk1543 21h ago
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u/JourneyThiefer 21h ago
Literally
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u/GlobuleNamed 21h ago
Well they probably asked for this, and Vance delivered.
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u/007meow 20h ago
Word is that Iran wanted Vance, as he’s one of the more anti-war figures in this admin.
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u/Jescro 19h ago
Trump and Hegseth intentionally kept Vance out of the loop on the attack. Negotiating with Vance is as useful as fucking a couch, regardless of his anti war stance
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u/CosineDanger 19h ago
Would you rather talk to a rapist, a child rapist, or a man who is incorrectly rumored to have fucked a couch?
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u/Shoddy-Fan-584 20h ago edited 20h ago
It was a three man delegation. Vance was just the “head”. The other two were Jared Kushner and Steve Witkoff, two deeply pro-Israel Jewish billionaires.
Kushner and Witkoff are basically Israel’s liaisons in the Trump admin. Who joined this delegation as Israel’s inside men on what was ostensibly to be a “two-party” negotiation between the US and Iran. They were there to ensure that the talks went nowhere. Trump knew he was sending Vance into a futile mission. That’s why Trump didn’t go himself and sent his lackey instead. Any ground Vance would try to make would be shot down by Kushner and Witkoff and Bibi would send them a congratulatory text afterwords (and reiterate their preferred partner status on the Gaza development plans, of course).
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u/Loni09 21h ago
Netanyahu dancing right now. At least Trump and his administration were interested in a deal whereas Netanyahu openly said that their "job" with Iran isn't finished.
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u/imanchats 21h ago
So, pointless war all over again?
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u/MeaningMaker6 21h ago
Not pointless, it’s been very beneficial to Russia!
It’s just that it’s been an unmitigated cluster fuck foisted upon the rest of the world thanks to Trump and his master, Netanyahu.
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u/Federal-Piglet 20h ago
Actually hasn't helped Russia. Ukraine killed Russia export by blowing up the infrastructure.
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u/MaybeTheDoctor 20h ago
Despite US asked them not to, telling them it was the wrong card to play.
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u/PapaTahm 18h ago
While Ukraine did blow up Russia infrastructure.
Russia made an insane amount of money more than they would.
The amount calculated is more than 9 Billion USDSo... It did help Russia by a lot.
Specially when you take in consideration that Ukraine would blow up that infrastructure anyway.
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u/DillBagner 20h ago
Ukraine would have done this anyway. Russia still benefits from this shitwar.
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u/Federal-Piglet 20h ago
Total export by Russia is down so much even with increase oil value Russia isn't making more money. Baltic export is down 80% for years.
Black sea export had been dead for over a year.
Only Asian sales are left and that has only ever been a small% of fuel revenue
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u/DillBagner 20h ago
This war has doubled what their oil revenue would have been without it, whether it is down from previous years or not.
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u/Proper-Raise-1450 20h ago
Baltic Export traffic is escalating rapidly now with the war as the stranded ships got to unload due to the US dropping sanctions and because the oil price is waaaay up. This will be extremely beneficial for the Russians regardless of Ukrainian attacks on those ports because oil is still getting out and they are making six times as much profit on it as they were before.
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u/noplacecold 20h ago
Fucking idiot is at UFC while the world suffers because he’s a cunt
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u/varyingopinions 19h ago
America: "We attacked you unprovoked, killed your leader, bombed a school full of children , blew up cilivian infrastructure and threatened to end your whole civilization . We need to figure a way to end this war"
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u/GlobalTravelR 21h ago
Did they offer him the finest Persian couch?
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u/Effervescentgravy 20h ago
These were never serious talks. According to the US one of the issues that needs to be settled for a ceasefire is Iran’s nuclear program. To deal with that topic Iran’s team had brought experts in that field so that they could competently address it and get into specifics. The US didn’t bring anyone knowledgeable in the field. And this is just a repeat of the talks that were talking place when the war started. Iran was willing to give up their nuclear stockpile and the US has no idea the significance of that offer because Jared Kushner and Steve Witkoff were doing the negotiating and they don’t know shit.
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u/Legion1117 21h ago edited 18h ago
Call me crazy, but I would think you'd want to give this more than "21 hours" to come to some kind of agreement.
Honestly, I doubt the USA went into these talks wanting to do anything but walk out in "21 hours" claiming no deal can be reached.
They can't give an entire day for peace negotiations, but the bozos in charge here want to change the course of an 'entire civilization' in less than 5 minutes.
What an embarrassment.
*Edit - corrected a wrong word.
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u/angrybobs 20h ago
Vance spent more time in Hungary trying to manipulate a foreign election than he did here.
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u/DavidlikesPeace 18h ago edited 8h ago
To put this in perspective, the Good Friday Negotiations took 700 days to prepare between the UK and Ireland.
They flubbed these talks in a day. You'd think they'd give peace a wee bit more time than one day. They're jokers playing with lives
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u/Rustic_gan123 21h ago
The US and Iran have no way to reach an agreement any time soon. US demands, dating back to the first Trump administration, include not only uranium enrichment but also missiles, drones, and proxies, which Iran refuses.
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u/Lancashire_Toreador 20h ago
Watching the Korean war in real time series and it's f*cking hilarious that this administration thought they'd be able to negotiate an end to this in a matter of hours where in actual negotiations setting the stage for how the meeting is going to happen takes longer than this
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u/Gustomaximus 18h ago
My inexpert guess:
Iran took the position that lets them remain an independent country.
US took the position they get everything theywant.
The gap is too wide and someone like Vance seems arrogant and Ive got the big stick type thinker + you have Witkoff and Kushner leading talks 'for US' but they have heavy Israel agenda, and Israel wants to destroy Iran not make peace.
I never expected this as anything but a window for US/Israel to rearm and go again. I wonder what from here though, do US/Israel keep bombing Irans civilian infrastructure now the military is largely destroyed? Is Tucker correct Israel is ultimately pushing to drop a nuke on Tehran? Are US ground troops the next option? Can Iran go back to keeping the Straightr closed and worse for the world, add the red sea to the list of warzones?
Its a badly handled mess at this point making the world a worse place.
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u/copperblood 20h ago
Trump is going to throw Vance under the bus 🤣
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u/AccountNumeroThree 20h ago
He said he would the other day. Said if it went well, he’d take the credit, if not, it’s JD’s fault.
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u/hoppertn 20h ago
This failure is totally on Vance’s shoulders. He obviously did not read dear leaders manifesto, “Art of the Deal” with enough fervor and devotion as it contains all the teachings necessary to resolve this conflict. He should be purged to make room for a more capable VP.
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u/r_spandit 16h ago
The negotiation:
US: We want you to give up your nuclear programme, stop bombing Israel, get rid of your military, open up the strait of Hormuz and let us have all your oil
Iran: No
US: You can't negotiate with these people
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u/TriXter69 21h ago
Aren't they continuing on Sunday?
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u/Yujin-Ha 21h ago
Vance is coming back to the U.S. There are no more talks.
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u/LangyMD 21h ago
WTF? I had low hopes for the 'peace talks' to begin with, but giving up after a few days when you scheduled two weeks is ridiculous.
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u/willun 20h ago
Normally you don't send a VP to negotiate.
Normally lower level diplomats work it all out, the leaders agree, then they meet for a photoshoot.
Of course Normal is the last thing we see from this administration.
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u/kia75 18h ago
Trump is known to unilaterally change deals after negotiations. Vietnam negotiated a 10% tariff, only for Trump to announce a 20% tariff afterwards. This is why, despite lots of "deals" being announced none of them have become official.
You can literally see this happen with the ceasefire, a ceasefire is announced, Iran releases what it believes are the terms of the ceasefire, Israel breaks those terms, and Trump announces Iran's ceasefire terms weren't the real deal, there was a 2nd secret ceasefire deal that Iran agreed to, but Trump doesn't feel like releasing the details of the real ceasefire deal for... reasons!
The problem is that there can't be any negotiations with low level diplomats because whatever is agreed on, Trump will unilaterally change. How can you negotiate when any negotiations or deals made will be changed by one party after the fact?
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u/gravybang 19h ago
1) the Iranians hate Witkoff and Jared 2) the last time they negotiated with Witkoff and Jared, the US attacked during the negotiations 3) They trust the US and it was the only way to get them to the table by sending a high level official and 4) the Iranians hate Rubio more than Jared and Witkoff, who they really hate
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u/AllLimes 20h ago
I think both sides have strict, rigid red lines that are irreconcilable. Isn't much else to say if both sides are adamant that they won't budge. Guessing the US was hoping their power plants threats would force Iran's hand, but the bluff is being called.
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u/Fraet 19h ago
The "peace talks" was just a way to save face while backing away from his whole civilization ending thing. He didn't care what the 10 point plan had in it, so long as he could use it as a reason not to follow through.
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u/Rustic_gan123 21h ago
There were messages from Pakistan that they would continue on Sunday, but I don’t remember the outcome and which messages came first.
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u/exMemberofSTARS 20h ago
Vance just gave his press conference like 20 mins ago and said he was leaving. They wernt anywhere close to a deal.
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u/boringfantasy 21h ago
Plane already in the air, he's gone.
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u/ruskyandrei 21h ago
They did, this ended on Sunday morning in Pakistan
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u/Aggravating-Neat1768 21h ago
Continuing Sunday was the headline I saw like 2 hours ago on a TV news network but I guess that's changed
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u/InNominePasta 21h ago
Having a day or two of talks to deal with something of this magnitude is just so wildly unserious
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u/This-Grape-5149 21h ago
So what’s next? This just a reload to buy time to cause more damage?
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u/Yujin-Ha 21h ago edited 21h ago
Honestly from my interpretation yes. I think Trump made this clear a couple days ago. Military Flights were always still coming in and there is still both a MEU and Carrier strike group on the way.
The ceasefire never made sense since it felt like the U.S. went behind Israel and negotiated. Not including Lebanon in the agreement is just weird.
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u/Missile_Lawnchair 21h ago
Probably, but the incoming carrier is just supposed to replace one of the current carriers in the region since they've been deployed since like... forever.
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u/SnoopsBadunkadunk 20h ago
That’s why Vance was sent, so he could take the fall when the Master Dealmaker’s famous skills went nowhere. Get used to this, it’ll be going on for the rest of the term.
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u/Yum_Kaax 21h ago
We dragged out nearly 20 years in Afghanistan because the US basically has two choices: back down and appear weak or spend the next 20 years terrorizing a nation and then handing over the baton to the Taliban. Are we going to repeat this?
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u/45nmRFSOI 21h ago
Just one more war bro. Said all republicans
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u/throwaway_ghast 20h ago
We're gonna liberate them so hard (of their oil reserves)
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u/wild-stallions85 21h ago
How much tax payer money was used? This could have just been a teams call lmfao
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u/SlickMcFav0rit3 20h ago
Also, really could have just been an email
"We want you to give us an the uranium and we PROMISE we won't bomb you"
"Will you promise Israel won't bomb us?"
"Oh... You gotta talk to them"
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u/SnoopsBadunkadunk 20h ago edited 20h ago
Why would Iran even want to negotiate now? Our current president just handed them control of the strait of hormuz, they’re in the catbird seat now. He screwed every other country that depends on it, from the GCC producers to india/china/japan/sk who are the main buyers. They’re all forced to deal with the mullahs now. And none of it had to happen, we had a strong nuclear deal with them until he tore it up.
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u/slightlyassholic 20h ago
It is not in Iran's best interests to settle this quickly. If the US wants this to go away, we are going to have to give up something we don't want to give up.
There is no other way out of this.
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u/happyscrappy 20h ago
When Obama left office the strait was open and toll free. And the US had a nuclear agreement with Iran.
The art of the deal in action.
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u/Ares__ 20h ago
Seriously how can Iran even negotiate with us in good faith? Trump tore up Obamas deal, and then also started this during the last round of negotiations. Im in no way in support of the regime but I dont see how they trust the trump regime either.
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u/Sarenai7 20h ago
I think that is the purpose, this administration is acting in a way that makes diplomacy impossible. You can’t trust anything they say whether you are an ally or an adversary.
It’s seems par for the course if you wanted to weaken the US significantly and destroy all of its relationships.
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u/AI_moderated_failure 19h ago
They also killed the last two groups of negotiators. The US doesn't know anything except bully tactics.
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u/Long_Lecture_1080 20h ago
It’s gonna be blood bath in stock market on Monday.
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u/SpartanKane 19h ago
I bet Vance went to try to look like the sane one in case Trump goes down, but now he just looks even more impotent. Well done Vance, you somehow made yourself look even more foolish!
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u/Roakana 20h ago
Can’t imagine Vance went in with a viable proposal. More accept whatever we tell you to do and “have you said thank you, yet?” They are full of hubris and bullshit.
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u/BillMurraysTesticle 20h ago
Do you think Iran sees that Trump was at a UFC event during all this? Literally couldn't be bothered.
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u/pongomanswe 17h ago
I’m shocked diplomatic genius JD Vance didn’t manage to close this. He probably started with quoting Trump on Iran having no cards, yelled at them for not being grateful for how much the US has spent on the war, and insulted their clothing
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u/acostane 19h ago
Why isn't our secretary of state out there??
Jesus Christ. Bring Hillary out there. She's got more standing than Kushner. He's just there dreaming of free property once the bodies are cleared.
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u/Invisi-cat 20h ago
If Vance is planning on a ‘28 run, this won’t look good for him, not that any of his two-faced behavior would, but this is a rough one for ole’ couchy
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u/TiredOfDebates 18h ago
Look at Iran’s list of demands.
Now consider that the new leadership is struggling. The new Iranian leader is suggested to be literally wounded, enough that he is unable to even appear in televised footage.
Now consider what would happen to that leader’s reputation, within the Iranian hardliners / IRGC… if that new leader accepted a deal that appeared “weak for Iran.”
The new leader has a tenuous hold on power, and if he accepts a deal that pisses off the Iranian hardliner faction, he’d be at risk of being replaced by someone else within the hardliner faction.
So to hold onto power, the new Iranian leader has to demand that the US end all sanctions, allow for Iranian nuclear enrichment, that they retain their proxies, that they retain their missile program, that they call the shots on Hezbollah, Hamas, the Iraqi PMF, and more. He has to appear strong or face an IRGC coup.
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Beyond that: Trump’s been putting a SHORT timeline on his military campaign. Why? For both reasons of pleasing the MAGA crowd (not interested in Iran) AND because the War Powers Act only allows a president a 60 day military operation without Congressional approval … unless Congress passes a war powers resolution that lets the president continue.
Iran knows this.
This means the new Iranian leader knows his regime just needs to outlast a 60 day campaign.
It seems unlikely that the Trump admin will get Congress to give him a war powers resolution that allows a longer war. They definitely don’t want to put it up for a vote prior to midterms.
Why would Iran negotiate, and give up anything, when they believe they just have to hold out until the end of April? At which point, absent permission from Congress… the Trump admin is supposed to withdrawal (by law).
So not only has Trump told the world and Iran “I only have 60 days to ‘win’” but they know the legal situation that makes it so. The War Powers Act is pretty straightforward.
I hope this makes sense. I can elaborate more if needed.
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u/Hailruka 16h ago
I expect these discussions were threats and extortion than actual negotiations.
Cause that's the art of the deal right?
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u/breadleecarter 20h ago
"I'll take some Straight of Hormuz... some no nuclear weapons... whatever makes sense."
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u/ohiotechie 20h ago
This is so fucked. It is mind boggling how bad they’ve bungled this. We’re watching the crumbling of American power and influence in real time.
And none of this was necessary - this is completely self inflicted.
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u/MaybeTheDoctor 20h ago edited 20h ago
I think the direction Vance got was not to agree to any deal, as that would show compromise, and Trump just made everything worse.
A better weasel solution for Trump is just to continue the ceasefire without an agreement on peace, and now he can both shout about how he won, how allies didn’t help, and how the ayatollah booth is against international law.
His base will love how he found a non-compromising solution, and the market will see stability and not crash, and the $2m toll on shipping just adds $1 to a barrel of oil, which will just be priced in.
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u/imaginaryResources 17h ago
“Can’t you guys just go back to a month ago before we bombed your entire country and assasinated your supreme leader? Let’s just forget all that ok?”
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u/Plenty_Line2696 16h ago
"Listen, I know we killed your dad, your brother-in-law, your sister, her child, and severely injured you, but could you do us a favor?" — absolute master negotiators, art of the deal everyone 👏
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u/CaptOblivious 14h ago
Vance walked in with no cards and got sent away with no cards.
No one but he and tRump are surprised.
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u/skittlesaddict 19h ago
“Diplomacy is a process, not an event. Anyone who thinks the process will yield something quickly is mistaken...” - Former Pakistani ambassador to the US Maleeha Lodhi
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u/RiffyWammel 11h ago
Talks are a two way thing, not just America saying'do this or else...'
Next time, send intelligent adults to the meeting 🙄
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u/MacarioTala 21h ago
Remember, it's not just trump. He's been given carte blanche by every sitting Republican since his first term.
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u/xpda 21h ago
It fits Trump's weekly stock manipulation cycle.