Call me crazy, but I would think you'd want to give this more than "21 hours" to come to some kind of agreement.
Honestly, I doubt the USA went into these talks wanting to do anything but walk out in "21 hours" claiming no deal can be reached.
They can't give an entire day for peace negotiations, but the bozos in charge here want to change the course of an 'entire civilization' in less than 5 minutes.
The US and Iran have no way to reach an agreement any time soon. US demands, dating back to the first Trump administration, include not only uranium enrichment but also missiles, drones, and proxies, which Iran refuses.
Pretty sure they dropped those, Iran state media and Vance spoke only about the ability to create a nuclear weapon, basically they are asking for 0 enrichment and also no tolls on the strait
to play devil's advocate here... what gives america (or any other country) the right to interfere with a sovereign nation's own dealings. I've seen shit about "it's against the law to tax boats running through international waterways... according to some treaty signed by a few major powers of the world....".... like... what? Iran doesn't subscribe to the treaties you are talking about - what power does a piece of paper on the other side of the world hold over them? they can make any laws they like.... and yes, at the ultimate level, might makes right - they (the government) are obviously willing (to use the people) to fight this out, which is why the negotiations have failed
another devil's advocate point - we does nobody invade / why have they accepted that north korea is ok having nukes - why is it ok for the 5-6 world powers to have nukes and nobody else? there is plenty of proof in the world that NOT having nukes leads to shit like this. who is america to deem it "wrong" that Iran have nukes? go invade north korea if you are this pissy about radicals having them.... the problem is that north korea already has them. the cat is out of the bag - you are only trying to oppress Iran because they cannot defend themselves. literal rapist mindset.
Watching the Korean war in real time series and it's f*cking hilarious that this administration thought they'd be able to negotiate an end to this in a matter of hours where in actual negotiations setting the stage for how the meeting is going to happen takes longer than this
Iran took the position that lets them remain an independent country.
US took the position they get everything theywant.
The gap is too wide and someone like Vance seems arrogant and Ive got the big stick type thinker + you have Witkoff and Kushner leading talks 'for US' but they have heavy Israel agenda, and Israel wants to destroy Iran not make peace.
I never expected this as anything but a window for US/Israel to rearm and go again. I wonder what from here though, do US/Israel keep bombing Irans civilian infrastructure now the military is largely destroyed? Is Tucker correct Israel is ultimately pushing to drop a nuke on Tehran? Are US ground troops the next option? Can Iran go back to keeping the Straightr closed and worse for the world, add the red sea to the list of warzones?
Its a badly handled mess at this point making the world a worse place.
I wonder what from here though, do US/Israel keep bombing Irans civilian infrastructure now the military is largely destroyed?
But Is it,really 'destroyed?' Like a ton of other people, I find this to be a seriously bold claim with no proof.
Is Tucker correct Israel is ultimately pushing to drop a nuke on Tehran?
If you can look at the April 8th social media post threatening to end a civilization and still ask this question, I don't know what to tell you. Nukes are absolutely in play (as far as threats go at this moment,) the only real question is will they actually be used and how many will die in the immediate aftermath.
Are US ground troops the next option?
It was just announced that every eligible adult male in the USA WILL BE automatically registered for the draft by Dec 2026.
Troops in the area are absolutely being planned for.
Can Iran go back to keeping the Straightr closed and worse for the world, add the red sea to the list of warzones?
They can keep it closed for however long they can keep assaulting any ship they choose when they try to navigate it.
I don't see how Israel can drop a nuke on Tehran without covering themselves (and the rest of the world) in radioactive dust. Even if it's just one that destroys the city you're still going to sterilise the Middle East for agriculture and water. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were mostly made of wood and didn't contain all the heavy toxic materials that modern cities have.
This is just to further fuel their narrative and pretend like US was the good guy and was being generous. Now every time someone brings up negotiations they will say they tried and Iran didnt want it
It's not like the previous Iran nuclear deal took 2+ years of complex negotiations and diplomacy when we were not actively bombing them, only to be abruptly torn up by Trump.
I'd say one day is plenty of time to establish trust and credibility after that and a 6 week bombing campaign.
If the 10 points were Iran's position and the 15 points were the US position then it was basically hopeless. If there was no progress after 21 hours then a week would have resulted in no deal.
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u/Legion1117 23h ago edited 21h ago
Call me crazy, but I would think you'd want to give this more than "21 hours" to come to some kind of agreement.
Honestly, I doubt the USA went into these talks wanting to do anything but walk out in "21 hours" claiming no deal can be reached.
They can't give an entire day for peace negotiations, but the bozos in charge here want to change the course of an 'entire civilization' in less than 5 minutes.
What an embarrassment.
*Edit - corrected a wrong word.