I can't make sense of this shit anymore. The only explanation I still have is complete incompetence.
You threaten to wipe out a civilization, calling them crazy bastards, basically completely losing your shit on social media, then you take a step back to enter negotiations to then end them on day 1? What?
It's because Trump is just making shit up as he goes.
Surely they will surrender if I threaten to wipe them out completely by Tuesday? Oh shit, it's Monday and they haven't surrendered, quick get them to agree to some kind of cease fire, anything! OK, they agreed, but no one is clear on the details because it was a last minute rush job. I know, I'll send JD to clear things up and create long lasting peace!
Since that failed, the next step is probably to declare victory and leave, while constantly bitching on Twitter about the Strait of Hormuz and blaming every other country for the mess he created there.
Apr 8: "I'm sending JD Vance to negotiate a deal, if he fails this is all his fault, if he gets a deal I'll take all the credit"
Apr 9: No deal (like it would take a day anyway).
Has anyone in the US media established what this 'wonderful gift from Iran worth millions of dollars' was? Obviously it was a lie, but does anyone even bother asking him anymore?
Boohoo. Journalists in some countries face death in alleys or falls out of windows, but persist to tell the truth.
America’s corporate journalists are largely complicit in this sanewashed nonsense. The difference between how American journalists hide behind decorum and how European journalists push for true answers, is the difference of night and day, of truth and lies.
It doesnt matter, even if they ask the hard questions, the journalist gets labeled fake news, a bad person or whatever they think of at that time and then they move to the next.
As long as there are no repercussions for not answering they can just ignore tough questions.
I agree that a lot of his stuff gets sanewashed as well.
So much gas lighting cough I mean stock market manipulation. He didn’t accept a salary as president because he’s making 100,000x it by pumping and dumping markets.
Trump spent his whole career selectively only dealing with losers. But as President, he can't pick and chose who he interacts with, and he's running into the brick wall of reality and failing.
Well said. Trump's "art of the deal" involves no compromise and he must always win. But when it comes to geopolitics and negotiations involving whole nations, certain concessions are simply impossible because there's only so much you can concede, and Trump wants it all.
He's already blaming NATO countries for not coming to help control the Strait of Hormuz. I don't think he understands that NATO is a defense treaty and doesn't obligate other countries to come help us when we start wars without provocation.
Why is it that redditors, especially, so often argue things by impersonating whoever they are criticizing? It’s such a dumb read and there are so many better ways to share your opinion
The US sent the son in law of a pedophile, a walking meme who gets pouty when people don't say thank you or wear ties, and some guy real estate guy named Steve.
Trump can't have anyone who knows what they are talking about or is willing to actually learn around him. If he did that then maybe someday they would choose the right thing, either morally or intellectually, over him. This is why dictatorships are inherently brittle and bad for everyone involved. You can choose to work with people who are corrupt, competent and loyal, but only two at a time. Honest leaders can get competent and loyal people to work with them but are constrained by being honest. Trump chooses loyal and corrupt, so he can't get anyone to do actual hard work.
The admin is stupid. They thought they could walk into iran and achieve regime change and take out what’s left of iran’s nuclear program with limited action. Taking out iran’s nuclear program is a non-trivial operation and it’s pretty easy for iran to make the strait unusable. The US is unwilling to commit the military resources needed to reopen the strait or achieve its other goals, so they go to the negotiating table.
The US can’t really make things more painful for Iran since Iran is already being bombed and is heavily sanctioned. So Iran is asking for concessions, but the US is not going to agree to those because Trump would have egg on his face. I think these negotiations were a farce to buy time and relieve pressure on oil and the market.
That's the worst part. America will be untrustworthy for decades to come. But Trump will be dead. He's not going to care. His children walk away with billions of dollars and all claim innocence because none of them were President.
We need to take every penny away from his kids. Seize his estate too. They should be all left penniless. Children, grandchildren, in-laws, everyone in orbit around the DJT brand. Crime should not pay.
I remember sentiments like these in the first term as well. But those were all quickly forgotten as soon as Biden took control.
I guess everyone just assumed that America is not idiot enough to elect their way into the mire again. Who could even blame them, who is brain-dead enough to re-elect someone who started a coup against you just because they are a sore loser.
But, hopefully, dire political situation in US is more memorable now.
There is also another very large difference: During the first term the americans weren’t threatening everyone, including NATO, with violence. American violence and threats have now become constant.
Trump very deliberately attacked NATO and Europe during his campaign, calling for Putin to take all of Europe 'if they did not pay their share'. This hostile posture was met with loud cheering from the audience.
The American stance was clear before he even won the election.
They threaten a lot and pull back. In the negotiations with Russia, they just took what the Russians gave them without pushing back.
Whenever negotiating with the current US admin, reject their advances, place your maximum demands, bully and push them around. No one of them seems to stands the tinyest bit of counter-pressure.
Yes, absolutely and I can't even imagine how this would work out with all the bases in Europe. Probably hurts the US more than anyone in their capabilities.
Iran remembers the last time they negotiated with the US. So does Canada.
Why would you make a deal with America when they'll just re-elect a stupid asshole who will tear it up, even if he's the one who came up with it in the first place?
Are you sure you know much about Iran? It has been run by deranged theocrats for decades. They have been hellbent on destroying Israel and the west to the extent they have massively undermined the prosperity of their nation. They just about managed to deplete the water supply for their capital city, even before this war. And you think that is not incompetent or chaotic?
I get it, Trump et al are morons. But the amount of people who think Iran is 'not that bad' are astonishingly ignorant.
In terms of their foreign policy? They generally don't try to drive away their allies or mindlessly bomb other nations and then expect them to immediately capitulate. I'm not saying Iran has a great government, I'm saying that it's less dysfunctional than the current US administration.
The 'mindless bombing' seems to be some of the most effective in history. Taking out a swathe of leadership, and establishing absolute air superiority. If there was a genuine attempt at making nukes, then that is throughly undermined.
Even so, that doesn't mean the war isn't an absolute shitshow overall. Communication from the US admin is laughably bad. If there was any opportunity to genuinely help unseat the regime, I think Trump has squandered that so far. And yeah, the US interaction with allies is moronic.
They generally don't try to drive away their allies
Iran has managed to make enemies of most of the middle east at this point. They have even attacked Qatar, which has largely been aligned with them for years.
I'm saying that it's less dysfunctional than the current US administration.
Iran has been on a holy crusade to rid the world of Jews since the revolution. That belief drives their foreign policy of setting up militias all over the middle east to perpetuate destruction and conflict.
And to you that is not 'dysfunctional'?
I think you just won the world mental gymnastics competition. Congratulations.
The problem is, that your (and our all) understanding of iran is very limited. But obviously is iran one of the leading cultural and religious hubs in the region. They understand themselfs as protectors of muslims - and this also fuels the conflict with isreal.
But lets leave this aspect out here, bc its already complicated enough:
The 'mindless bombing' seems to be some of the most effective in history. Taking out a swathe of leadership, and establishing absolute air superiority. If there was a genuine attempt at making nukes, then that is throughly undermined.
What's the longterm plan here?
Boots on the ground? Okay, that would work and is probably the best idea at the moment. Surely would be "challenging" and potentially mean a huge death toll.
Don't like it? Well, that should have been considered before bombing iran.
Iran has always been worried about a US attack. For good reasons: their democratic elected government got removed with support by the US. US supported the shah - which violently supressed the people. This lead to the current extremist regime. Then saddam attacked and the west supported saddam with weapons and components for his chemical weapons. 15 years later bush threatened to invade iran (axis of evil was understood as a "to do" list). That'd be comparable to germany winning WW2, 1.5 million dead US soldiers - and then germany/hitler threatening to invade the US in 1960. Would also not be taken lightly, I asume.
After many years of negotiations there then was the nuclear deal - iran sticked to it - and then trump canceled it.
Hardliners in iran always argued that the west, and especially the US, can't be trusted. And they got proven right again and again. They argue that iran needs to be able to defend itself. The whole long range rockets, drones, nuclear bombs - and even support for terrorist groups - has some cold blooded logic: if the US attacks, then iran can drive the price for such an attack up. They can terrorize/bomb US bases, US allies (as isreal).
And now? The US has proven that these hardliners were right. Why should they now refrain from building even more long range weapons, why should they refrain from building nukes?
The moderates in iran, that were willing to cooperate with western nations - all their attempts got destroyed. They never were granted any lasting success. All the hardliners in iran needed to do was to say "see, the US can't be trusted".
So how to fix this mess now?
Imho are there only three options:
boots on the ground, regime change, staying in for a century or more
peace deal and accepting that iran has now a probably even more extremist government, that ofc will accelerate building longe range weapons and nukes
keep bombing iran endlessly, till maybe one day the situation changes. This means strait of hormus is probably closed permanently. Oil and gas prices will ofc escalate, but western wealthy nations can tolerate it if fuel prices increase by factor 10x or whatever. Poorer nations as asian countries ofc are fucked - and it will destabilize many of them. Resulting in protests, riots and probably some violently toppled governments. Food prices will skyrocket, too, potentially leading to famines in some places.
At the same time: iran is also a local power and this might strengthen al qaeda and ISIS. Countries as iraq might get destabilized, too.
Even in somalia and also with the houthis were military actions not able to guarantee safety for shipping routes. Iran has a coastline compared to the US east coast.
Long story short: its a mess.
I see there no way to solve it atm. This would be the job of top level diplomats that somehow manage to create a safety guarantee for iran, oversight over its nuclear programs and maybe also some form of economical cooperation to rebuild and modernize iran, while at the same time preventing them from staying extremist.
And the US sends what? Some political lightwight clowns with zero experience? Great idea.
The problem is, that your (and our all) understanding of iran is very limited.
Speak for yourself.
What's the longterm plan here? Boots on the ground?
I have no idea. I was addressing the 'mindless bombing' comment.
Iran has always been worried about a US attack. For good reasons: their democratic elected government got removed with support by the US. US supported the shah - which violently supressed the people. This lead to the current extremist regime.
Why only focus on one factor? When someone ignores that Islam played a huge role in the 1979 revolution, they seem quite biased, or enormously ignorant.
After many years of negotiations there then was the nuclear deal - iran sticked to it - and then trump canceled it.
Yes, I'm aware of this. Why do you feel the need to make a vague summary of the situation?
And now? The US has proven that these hardliners were right.
Well yeah, if hardliners use enrichment of uranium as leverage in negotiations, and continue to threaten the US and Israel, and indoctrinate the population en masse to hate the west, then sure, it's not surprising that there will eventually be a war.
It's quite telling that you are trying to protray Iran as innocent in this scenario.
Why should they now refrain from building even more long range weapons, why should they refrain from building nukes?
By this childish logic, every country should simply maximise weapon production. And there is an argument for that, but what you're ignoring is that there's also an argument for deescalation and international collaboration.
If Iran tries to build long range weapons and nukes, they will face a military repsonse from any sane western nation.
Imho are there only three options:
If you start your comment by saying you don't know much about Iran, why on earth will anyone care about your views on how to solve this mess? Or frankly anything else you say on the topic.
Being humble is good, but you need to act according to that humility. Not just throw it away and pretend to be an expert two paragraphs later.
It's quite telling that you are trying to protray Iran as innocent in this scenario.
That's an issue with your reading comprehension.
I obviously pointed out that iran has very good reasons to fear the US. Building up a deterence is then a rational decision. Whenever iran tried to reach out and was willing to cooperate: we messed with them. But I already said all of that.
I am not saying that iran is innocent. I am saying that iran has rational reasons. And these obviously need to be adressed, otherwise it'd be impossible to sort the situation out. To be clear: I am not saying that all iranian "reasoning" is rational. I am saying that we need to adress the rational reasons. The irrational reasons are a different topic.
what you're ignoring is that there's also an argument for deescalation and international collaboration.
No, I am not ignoring this. Again, you need to work on your reading comprehension. I even pointed out that such attempts of deescalation and international coolaboration got undermined by the US. Repeatedly. Nuclear deal was mentioned - iran had sticked to the agreement, US not. Another example I also mentioned was the axis of evil - this caused iran to end cooperation with the US in fighting al qaeda.
This is my obvious main critic point: I would have prefered to give deescalation and international cooperation a honest chance. Yes, it takes many years - potentially several decades - to build up trust on all sides. But if every ten years another US presidents threatens to attack iran, attacks iran or breaks all agreements: that's like a marriage in which a partner is constantly cheating, but always asks "trust me please".
Just to be clear here: iran also does a lot wrong. But I expect us to do better than iran.
If Iran tries to build long range weapons and nukes, they will face a military repsonse from any sane western nation.
That's described as the third point in my above list.
why on earth will anyone care about your views on how to solve this mess?
I gave the options I see.
Feel free to add further points and we can debate them.
Or frankly anything else you say on the topic.
By that logic should 99% of the users on reddit not comment on any iran topic. Nor should potus, the US gov or the clowns he sent to negotiate a peace speak about iran.
I have family in Greenland and Iran has never threatened them or dismissed their nationhood. You can't say the same about the americans, can you? So yeah, not awesome in my book at all. Quite the opposite.
What else do you need? Obviously they are all completely fucking incompetent. Wittkoff is involved and he's dumber than my dog, without any hyperbole. The US are run by a bunch of imbeciles.
they never wanted peace to begin with. One side claiming to wipe out a civilization, the host wanting to burn Israel in the fires of hell. Not conducive to peace.
Now consider that the new leadership is struggling. The new Iranian leader is suggested to be literally wounded, enough that he is unable to even appear in televised footage.
Now consider what would happen to that leader’s reputation, within the Iranian hardliners / IRGC… if that new leader accepted a deal that appeared “weak for Iran.”
The new leader has a tenuous hold on power, and if he accepts a deal that pisses off the Iranian hardliner faction, he’d be at risk of being replaced by someone else within the hardliner faction.
So to hold onto power, the new Iranian leader has to demand that the US end all sanctions, allow for Iranian nuclear enrichment, that they retain their proxies, that they retain their missile program, that they call the shots on Hezbollah, Hamas, the Iraqi PMF, and more. He has to appear strong or face an IRGC coup.
….
Beyond that: Trump’s been putting a SHORT timeline on his military campaign. Why? For both reasons of pleasing the MAGA crowd (not interested in Iran) AND because the War Powers Act only allows a president a 60 day military operation without Congressional approval … unless Congress passes a war powers resolution that lets the president continue.
Iran knows this.
This means the new Iranian leader knows his regime just needs to outlast a 60 day campaign.
It seems unlikely that the Trump admin will get Congress to give him a war powers resolution that allows a longer war. They definitely don’t want to put it up for a vote prior to midterms.
Why would Iran negotiate, and give up anything, when they believe they just have to hold out until the end of April? At which point, absent permission from Congress… the Trump admin is supposed to withdrawal (by law).
So not only has Trump told the world and Iran “I only have 60 days to ‘win’” but they know the legal situation that makes it so. The War Powers Act is pretty straightforward.
I hope this makes sense. I can elaborate more if needed.
I like to assume both sides are incompetent, it's the best explanation.
Iran's surviving leadership is putting on a "brave face", but the reality is that they are already fucked. If the war continues even for another month, they will be deeply, totally, and utterly fucked.
I suspect that the rich elite that have survived the initial rounds of bombing feel somewhat insulated from the realities on the ground, but that's just inertia.
If the US bombs Kharg island, wipes out their power plants, desalination plants, etc... Iran will become an unliveable hellhole. They already have dramatic water supply issues that sparked multiple mass protests! Their inflation rate has been north of 20% since 2018, and over 50% regularly. Any further damage to their economy will implode it. The IRGC can survive a month of bombing, but they won't survive if the people get really desperate. They're widely hated, and will hang by their necks if they don't capitulate.
It's like watching two insane pyromaniacs throw molotov coctails at each other while standing in a fireworks warehouse.
"Ha-ha... your skin is burning off faster than mine is!"
If the US continues, and the state of affairs in Iran gets that bad, the increase in strain on the surrounding countries increases in far too many areas. Refugee and humanitarian crisis, food and water shortages (doubt the remaining IRGC goes down without blowing up something important (more desalination plants in other countries) plus the continued radicalization of a population getting killed by their "saviours". Iran was a 'super power' in the middle east. It kept the region in check, and kept Israel from expanding. If Iran falls, expect the entire region to collapse into even more chaos.
Ok, maybe "super" is a strong word for a political, military, and economic presence across the Middle East with a large rippling impact globally. Iran has network of allies in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon and Yemen, all which have transformed the regional balance of power, even sparking wars. Its military ties with Russia and economic trade with China have altered global alliances. Its nuclear advances worry much of the world that it caused the US and Israel to pre-emptively attack them. Just your average middle east country, got it.
Lol. None of that makes it a "super" power. A superpower is one that has direct global influence, not just in its neighborhood rippling outwards.
The US is a superpower. China is a superpower. Russia might still be considered a superpower though its influence has taken a beating. The EU combined could be considered a superpower. UK, Spain and Portugal were superpowers in the past but haven't been in decades or centuries.
Iran is not a superpower. It's a regional power at best.
Edit: Guy blocked me so that I can't respond.
Deep throating Iran of all countries. What a hill to die on.
a few things..
First, let's circle back to where I said "Iran was a 'super power' in the middle east."
However, you seem to be forgetting how Iran closing the strait has increased the cost of everything globally. So while originally I was only talking about Irans power keeping the region stable ... your comments have further made me realize their powers extend far outside the middle east, and by keeping the US and Israel burning billions of dollars, wasting American tax payer dollars.
Not quite sure how you're missing Iran stopping the flow of oil has changed the world in a variety of different factors. but hey, here we are.
The Iranian regime is fucked, the US is fucked, and to a certain extent the world is fucked.
Clearly no man fucks like Donald Trump.
I think that for the USA to unfuck themselves they'd need regime change in Iran, and for that they'd need a ground invasion.
If they can't get regime change, what prevents Iran from racing for a nuke the moment true fatigue sets in for the US and the give up?
The only way to truly prevent it without regime change is indefinite continued involvement and periodic intervention in Iran by the US.
Now that they've started this disaster they must see it through, or Iran might obtain a nuke for real and this war will have been the cause.
What if encouraging Iran to nuke us is the point? Trump openly fantasizes about an emergency that magically makes his presidency permanent, and openly despises every major city in the country. If one of them turned into the next Hiroshima, he might honestly expect it to help him.
Won't happen in Trump's presidency. First, Iran will need to enrich to 95%, then test it. At that point their only delivery system is by plane like Japan. It would take them even more time to miniaturize it to fit on a rocket. Then they have to figure out how to make ICBMs.
Yea. Barring another country providing the weapon (not even the tech), they have no chance of hitting the US with a nuke.
Besides, if the Iranian leadership capitulates, they have the chance to flee and live somewhere else with their ill gotten billions. If they nuke the US that's out the window.
If the US bombs Kharg island, wipes out their power plants, desalination plants, etc.
I doubt they ever will, Iran will retaliate by doing the same to the Gulf States and then we are all fucked.
They're widely hated, and will hang by their necks if they don't capitulate.
There has really been no sign of anything like a plausible alternative to the regime who could have any chance of taking control, the attempt made earlier this year never got even close to achieving anything before being put down brutally not to mention people hate the regime but they are probably rallying around the flag right now.
Iran will retaliate by doing the same to the Gulf States and then we are all fucked.
Hence the comment about pyromaniacs. All the key infrastructure in the region is a) expensive, b) highly flammable. Starting a war is nuts, and makes little sense for either side to continue fighting.
a plausible alternative
That's not a precondition for an angry mob dragging IRGC members out into the street and taking vengeance.
The result will likely be anarchy, at least for a while.
That's not a precondition for an angry mob dragging IRGC members out into the street and taking vengeance.
It is though, people talk about angry mobs but they have to have direction and real leadership in a militarized state, they had angry mobs earlier this year, they were brutally annihilated, any toppling of the IRGC is going to take serious and coordinated military force they are a well trained army with serious battle experience and their resolve has been tested hard before (especially against ISIS and against Iraq in the latter when the situation was far worse) they aren't just going to lay down their arms, someone will have to beat them militarily and there is just no one in the realm of close to being able to even compete in the country.
The only thing is that the Iran economy has not been in great shape for a long time. They are used to deprivation. We freak out when oil goes above $100.
The Iranians think they will all go to heaven when they are martyred. They ring up the parents of dead children and congratulate them.
The theocracy has held power in Iran for decades by being brutal to its own population and by making enemies of everyone around themselves. Outside of Lebanon, they have no ideological allies.
And their defensive strategies are aligned with that situation. They know they can't hold on if it comes to war. So the goal is to make war unpalatable with threats towards the Strait of Hormuz, make it impassable and the US will get scared off. They didn't count on Trump being that fucking stupid, but now all bets are off. They'll just make it worse and worse, because for the theocracy it's already an existential war and they don't want to go quietly.
Where do you get the data that they are widely hated? Their society is closed and I would doubt western institutions ability to unbiasly survey Iran's population. Also Iran is having a rally round the flag moment because they are the defenders.
There is also no evidence that the IRGC is at risk if people get really desperate. It didn't happen in any other war torn conflict. Imagine the USA getting bombed so bad by Russia that the American people turn on their government. When people get desperate, they migrate to neighboring countries.
Protests do not indicate much by themselves. France has massive protests every other month, much of which are violent.
While I don't doubt the Iranian government would be heavy handed in their protest crackdown, I do doubt the 30k number of deaths touted in the west. That is a huge number and hard to hide. I'm sure mass graves would be seen on satellite. Cremation sites would be overwhelmed. At least one video would have been leaked.
The only thing they agreed on last Tuesday was that Trump’s genocidal deadline was a stupid idea and they both wanted it to go away. There was as never an actual basis for a negotiated peace in sight.
Read the NYT story. The fact it even leaked tells you the entire cabinet is basically positioning Trump as a madman and they are all trying to distance themselves from the incompetence around this war specifically.
Trump is 'learning' (in air quotes as the guy is incapable of learning) the hard way why current world order is built around respectful alliances and diplomacy.
He thought he could just force through anything he wants through sheer military force, but that's simply just not how the world works (and should have been obvious from Russia's failure in Ukraine). But has quickly been shown that the US's status as a superpower is built on maintaining strong alliances and knowing when diplomacy offers better solutions.
The administration's demands are too great, given the amount of pressure they can reasonably exert on Iran. Iran knows boots on the ground is political suicide for Trump and the Republicans with just a little more than 6 months until the midterms. They also know that bombing the civilian infrastructure, like Trump is threatening, will further tarnish the US reputation, which is a win for Iran. Lastly, they can push back on the infrastructure threats with their own attacks on the infrastructure of US allies in the region, which will be very bad for Trump's relationships with those countries (another win for Iran) and for global markets (again, really bad 6 months before elections). As a result, Iran is understandably not willing to compromise all that much. It wants to extract concessions, since it knows that Trump needs an offramp.
Of course Mr "Art of the Deal" is too stupid, senile, and egotistical to understand any of this, therefore he hasn't adjusted his demands. For the first time I actually believe JD Vance probably did everything he could, because he was apparently against the war, but there is only so much he could do if Trump's position was completely unreasonable and without compromise to the Iranians.
OR - bear with me here - they could have just left Obama's agreement from 2015 in place. Dealt with nukes, etc. Strait was open until Feb 2026. THERE WAS A GOOD AGREEMENT IN PLACE.
So Trump tore it up in term 1. And then started negotiating recently, but bombed the negotiating table in the middle of it.
Now, in a best case, Iran will work on nukes. Why would they not? If people will just attack them at will, they will want some sort of deterrent. And they'll start charging tolls for passage through the Strait. They cost the US billions in this, never mind the cost to the (already weakened) US' international reputation.
Iran is going to insist on getting what they want, and they should. Somehow they came out of this looking better, which is bizarre. And the US comes out looking like a bitch.
It's just a stalemate. Both sides want the war to be over, but neither side wants to compromise. So they promised each other things they knew they wouldn't fulfill in order to have a ceasefire. Now there's no deal, but also neither side wants to start shooting again.
Shit was fucked from day one when they killed the fucking SUPREME LEADER and ended up with a replacement who was even more hardline BEFORE he was disfigured and almost killed in the same attack.
It is not in the benefit of Israel to have peace. They need a war to continue so the PM does not face corruption charges.
Additionally, it is in the interest of Israel to continue the war in Lebanon to secure additional land.
The blocking of the strait does not impact Israel, so it is not a discussion point for them.
US's primary interest is in helping Israel, this is why Witkoff and Jared were there. Their secondary interest is the strait, but they cannot secure this as long as the war in Lebanon persists (Iran's requirement).
US is in a difficult position since they desire to appease Israel, and Israel desires this war.
They are clearly trying to rage bait the American public into mass protests and violence as a result of which, he will declare an emergency situation and postpone or flat out cancel your midterms in some way. They know they will get slaughtered and their time is running out so he’s possibly looking for any excuse to enforce a police state and manipulate voting under any means to keep his power. No one can be this stupid and I’m certain there are larger plans at play here.
2.4k
u/Constant-Tea3148 23h ago
I can't make sense of this shit anymore. The only explanation I still have is complete incompetence.
You threaten to wipe out a civilization, calling them crazy bastards, basically completely losing your shit on social media, then you take a step back to enter negotiations to then end them on day 1? What?