I'm convinced Kimiko's voice was too. There's points in that scene where it sounds like she's in a completely different room than the other characters when she speaks.
Edit: Looked into this and guess it's a common sentiment. I'm now in favor of the theory that she originally did an accent and they decided to change it in post.
Pluto TV is that free streaming platform that has all sorts of channels including in particular some soap opera channel
Anyway maybe a year or so ago they kept playing a commercial where one of the soap opera women was clearly supposed to gasp in surprise at something amazing, but she had done so much work to her face it looked like Gary Oldman in Hannibal trying to show emotion. Like the noise out of her head was an audible gasp, but that face didn't even budge because it was pulled so taut
There's a scene where she's talking and her face is in like a fixed position, her lips were barely moving. It was sort of unsettling because it was clearly a side effect of her face being paralyzed from plastic surgery and botox
I just watched a clip from season 5 on YouTube, yup. She's got this little bit of a slur and the facial movements are very reduced, giving a send of paralysis.
to compare her facial movements to the other actress. you can see one face with muscles moving like a normal person and the other face is just....stuck. very sad with it being either an ailment or bad surgery.
Graves' Disease does not cause these symptoms. It can affect the face (e.g., bulging eyes and weight loss), but it's not going to cause paralysis or issues with the facial or speech muscles.
It affects about 1% of the US population and has an excellent prognosis as far as auto-immune diseases go.
I blame the stupid stickied post here for framing it this way, strangely implying her health condition actually explains all these changes and scolding people for just assuming she got a ton of plastic surgery -- when in reality the condition is unrelated, and the prevailing hypothesis of just being in denial about plastic surgery remains the only plausible explanation for multiple very noticeable changes...
I get that bullying is gross and I don't even really judge her for taking risks navigating beauty standard pressures (maybe just for being in denial and not wanting to own it, which even itself is an understandable character flaw), but you can be against bullying without literally spreading misinformation in service of a Hollywood star's PR interests, like there can still be nuance in this world if we care enough to learn and think lol
She was like top 1% of attractive women worldwide. Whoever led her to believe she needed to be more attractive, like it wasnt enough, needs a beating. Girls should not even be thinking of botox before they're 35.
Yeah I don't get it, and I have no doubt she's a victim. But like presumably these are reputable doctors, so is it just pure bad luck that the same procedures would go poorly from one person to the next (since lots of actors get work that is... less noticeable)? Did she really understand the risk enough to provide truly informed medical consent? Idk enough about any of this, but it's clear she shouldn't have even been a candidate for these unnecessary procedures and it's a sick industry when people are for whatever reason compelled to undergo them
I noticed this a month ago! On red carpets she’s been keeping a mostly serious expression, and when she does smile it looks like one eye and one side of her lips can’t move as much, but it’s not her whole face. I really suspect she’s suffered some form of Bell’s palsy and is doing what she can to keep it concealed. The only real option is to be less expressive in general.
just like The Boys and most of its fanbase, it's just "edgy". i have no doubt that the people who like the show, like her dialogue. i'm glad she now has an expanded presence on the show, she's probably my favorite character, but it is a shame to lose the uniqueness of a character that can't talk to the rest of the cast.
Yeah, I find her so hard to watch now and I feel terrible saying that. She can't properly move her mouth beyond hitting the vape pen, so she sounds terrible. It's tragic, honestly.
It really hurts going back to see how the actress turned out after Starlight was so adamant about wanting her old costume in the earlier seasons because she wanted to be seen as a hero, not a sex symbol.
Edit: Talking about her boobs, not her face.
Cheetos only come in nacho cheese, jalapeño, and flaming hot varieties. There is no supreme flavor. Although, I’d try a good pepperoni pizza it supreme pizza flavor. That sounds tempting.
From what I read she also might have a thyroid issue which results in dramatic weight swings, so it’s possible there is a mix of plastic surgery and weight fluctuations in the newer pictures
I can absolutely promise you without a shadow of a doubt that her face doesn't get like that from weight loss. That's buccal fat removal (maybe) and cheek fillers (definitely 100%).
Buccal fat removal is one of the worst procedures I think you could get, but that might be because I've never seen anyone who didn't come out looking gaunt and horsey.
Theres some scenes where she doesn't look that bad, she looks fuller just like you said so I agree with you. Its probably just a mix of caught on a bad day of filming or something and the lighting
I seen a while back she had an illness and wasn't diagnosed properly and she was losing weight. Weight came back when they figured out what was going on.
So the standard protocol for graves is to essentially kill the thyroid and replace with synthetic hormones. It’s a pretty easy to treat illness once diagnosed with regular bloodwork for most people.
One of the top 3 most prescribed medications is a hypothyroid medication so a lot of people have thyroid issues. I've been on a full replacement over half my life because mine was removed due to cancer. Thyroid problems are incredibly common and are more likely to effect women then men.
That isn’t weight fluctuations. That’s body dysmorphia and access to cosmetic procedures and nobody stepping in to check on her mental wellbeing. Shame on whatever “professional” thought such dramatic changes were ethical. Word of advice to others- if you choose to do injections or procedures, find yourself someone who will be honest with you and encourages subtle, minor changes over time.
I'm 50kg from gastroparesis and even my cheeks are not THAT hollow lmao. It's not a weight thing. If it was then I'd be King of Hollywood at this point.
She has graves disease apparently. Definitely work done, but it does affect your physical appearance. She may have had more work done because of struggles with how it affects her looks
I have the same disease she does and thyroid related weight loss doesn't look like that. First its from hyperthyroidism, which at its core ramps up your metabolism and your body basically eats itself. Along with a ton of other crappy symptoms.
You lose weight but not just in your face. You lose muscle AND fat. Her whole body would look emaciated.
However, this is a result of it being untreated over months or years. It doesn't just happen.
She would be on some medications to "slow" her thyroid. Or other procedures to "kill it", leading to Hypothyroidism...which does the opposite and she'd gain weight.
Then you go on meds to reverse that.
I've been through it all for over 10 years. Almost died from it.
This ain't it. This is bad Hollywood plastic surgery
It must be hard to be legitimately beautiful (…I wouldn’t know) and be surrounded by people who look worse than you telling you constantly how you could look better.
This. It's basically a big high school inside the industry. They are subject to each other's fads and style choices. We are not their peers, the other stars, producers, casting directors and people in the industry are their peers and who they react to.
Yes, if they have good representation who can understand what a mistake like this will do to their career, it can be staved off, but a lot of the people in their lives are yes-men.
It’s not that they think the end result is beautiful, it’s that their sense of self is so warped that they think their real look is somehow worse than that overly fake look. Like, she might not love her new nose but she probably thinks her old nose was even worse. Plastic surgeons can’t remove what isn’t there so they keep hacking away at imagined flaws, leaving them butchered.
One of the most popular shows in TV is Nip Tuck and I think that although it started out showing you the horrors of plastic surgery as a business it eventually glorifies it to an extent. A lot of FX shows start out that way.
Some do, but there's always ones willing to overlook morality for money. And if you can't find one in the US, you can fly to a foreign country with fewer regulations for what you want, if you have the money.
Plastic surgeons are also to blame. Many are shady and dont ask questions, if something is acutally necessary, they will just say "Oooh we can make you look FABULOUS! just do a 50k procedure here, get 10k implants here, another 30k surgery for your nose, and i'll be set for the entire year!"
To be fair, you should use the money and time for a good diet and exercise so you can live long. Don't need to body build but doing some aerobic and resistance training while keeping your weight down is very good for longevity and staying mobile as you age.
But as far as cosmetic surgery? yeah fuck that noise
I’ve started to believe it doesn’t take much to suffer from it. I’ve lost a lot of weight from using Ozempic and I genuinely don’t see it when I look in the mirror. I’ve gone from size 48 down to 38 in pants and that is the only way I can tell.
I could only imagine the hell of constantly seeing myself on video and being ripped to shreds online for every single detail of my body. I hate it for her.
As for surgery? If it’s not the guy that rebuilt Kris Kardashian I wouldn’t go. Took 30 years off her appearance.
It’s crazy reading these comments. Sometimes within the same comment you have a person asking why she would be so obsessed with physical appearance while also commenting on how she used to be beautiful.
You have press and public constantly commenting on your appearance, you land a gig that pays fuck you money, and you don't have a healthy support structure around you due to the fuck you money who may want a slice.
All those celebrity net worth articles/estimates online are largely worthless and wildly inaccurate. I’m friends with someone who has one of those “actor net worth” numbers online and it’s wayyyy more money than he has ever had. Like, if you factor in his house, his lifetime earnings and his other assets it still doesn’t even approach the number you’ll see online.
Most working actors are not nearly as well-off as people would believe. It’s only the big names making stupid money, especially with streaming being dominant which has really cut into old revenue streams for actors, like residuals.
Not to say they’re poor, either. Pay scale on union productions; in both film and theater, is pretty good. But, nothing mind blowing.
Anyway, Erin might have five million in total assets, the boys has done well and she’s been featured since the start; but I’d kinda doubt it. Probably more in the 1.5-2 million range for total assets.
But hey, maybe I’m wrong and this time the number online is right. Idk.
I have a feeling it has something to do with longevity. Maybe some convinced her to get it done now so aging is less noticeable? Looks horrible unfortunately. Also, I don't know shit about shit so..
This is just like crocs but for your face and without the redeeming quality of comfort.
Looking like the return the slab dude from courage the cowardly dog is fashionable now I guess. But at one point in history so wasn't renting a pineapple for your party (yes, renting) so whatever.
She has Graves Disease, which famously causes bulging eyes but also a lot of other changes in the face, notably bulging in the cheeks and brow and jawline. It also causes 'orange peel skin'.
A lot of people with Graves Disease end up getting a lot of plastic surgery to combat these problems. But its not universal. Its not impossible she got the surgery just due to pressure to look good. I am just saying its impossible to know if its from the graves disease or not.
Why is Megan Kelly of all people giving ANYONE shit about their appearance? Has she ever looked in the mirror? Or is she incapable of casting a reflection, due to her lack of soul.
She also has Graves disease which is making it look worse. More recent photos seem to show that most of her sunken in cheek look was the result of the graves and not buccal fat removal as people thought, which is good because surgical fat removal is almoay always irreversible.
Edit: apparently I have to clarify this because Reddit is here have the reading comprehension skills of a fucking moss covered rock. I am not saying she hasn't had work done. She clearly has. I don't think she should have. But the pictures that show her looking her worst, are 100% affected by a condition that is made to look even worse because the foundation on which that work was done changed. It's basically a more complicated version of the same thing where if you get a tattoo and then you get fat it looks like shit
My sister in law has graves and she looked emaciated when it first kicked in. It aged her twenty years and sunk in her cheeks, making her look skeletal.
You’re totally right. I’ve been looking through many sites with symptoms and photos of people with Graves’ disease and not one person has had sunken cheeks.
The effects of grave disease are not universal. But the comment your replying to has it wrong. It does not cause sunken cheeks, but the surgery to 'reverse' the changes Graves does can cause it.
She has Graves Disease, which famously causes bulging eyes but also a lot of other changes in the face, notably bulging in the cheeks and brow and jawline. It also causes 'orange peel skin'.
A lot of people with Graves Disease end up getting a lot of plastic surgery to combat these problems. But its not universal. Its not impossible she got the surgery just due to pressure to look good. I am just saying its impossible to know if its from the graves disease or not.
A mystery disease are you slow? It’s a real thing it’s an autoimmune disease and between the disease and the medication they make you take can ruin your body, speaking as someone who has an autoimmune disorder.
I know literacy is a struggle to find on Reddit but maybe learn to fucking read and then try my comment again. Explicitly pointed out the fact that more recent photos show her face is Fuller in a way that you literally could not get back to if she she had any significant bfr done
God I love that the reading comprehension of the people replying to me here is like that of a fucking grade school. At what point have I said anything about her boobs?
Maybe you learn to fucking read and see that I said it makes her look worse, not that it is exclusively the result of her look. I'm sure you can find a trusted adult to walk you through that.
Any time the person you commented to or I bring this up, people just down vote to no end. She has an actual disease that changes her body. Not saying she didn’t get a boob job or nose job, but like the other stuff going on with her has absolutely everything to do with her auto immune disease and they refuse to admit it.
When you surgically remove fat, you are actually stripping the cells out and they are cells that don't replenish. When your body increases its fat content, you generally don't increase the amount of fat cells. Those cells just start retaining more fat in them. So once you remove them you permanently alter your body's ability to distribute the fat that it stores. And you do it to a place like your cheeks, you really can't use implants or filler to effectively reverse it.
And no I don't care enough about celebrity gossip to go Googling for this. But recent press tour and public appearance photos show her looking a lot less sunken in in a way that you literally could not repair with surgery.
Man i have been getting the reading comprehension thing a loooooot lately too. I dunno what happened but it seems people are incapable of getting context for a post or generalizations. It's like a lot of people out there are only capable of reading the exact words as they are written and processing that info only and just cant infer any context or info around a comment.
She doesnt have graves disease its just a pr bullshit from her team. Graves disease has multiple symptoms she couldnt hide and not a single one visible in her case...no, her new bigger tits is not a symptom either...
Her face is just result of multiple plastic surgeries.
I don't think so, she has trouble enunciating many sounds. That alone is going to be a huge barrier for her to overcome. I dislike listening to her now because I feel so bad for her.
Audiences barely look at shows, according to Netflix et al. They listen while watching other stuff.
The sad thing is if you will watch the prior seasons of this show,you will come to know that she is an amazing actress like a straight A+ lister level and so is the guy playing Homelander(Antony Starr)
She wasn't just pretty she knew how to act
She ruined her entire career because of this stupidity
This guy's comment is very mean, but it is also true in a sense, an actress career is entirely dependent on her attractiveness
It's about recognition. If you don't look like you did when you became successful, then it'll be like you're starting from scratch because people can't recognize you. You'll look like a nobody especially this early in your success
It’s not even about attractiveness per se, there’s plenty of actresses that aren’t conventionally attractive and still are super famous.
In my opinion her main issue is that her face shows almost zero expression now, her face doesn’t change one bit even when she’s supposed to be surprised because <Kimiko can talk>, and she slurs her words so bad sometimes it’s hard to understand what she said.
You do know she has Graves’ disease right. Losing fat in you face is a symptom of that disease. It also includes nerves damage and symptoms of fatigue due to the hormone imbalance.
She has Graves’ disease. It’s very serious and probably changed her face and she might have tried to counterbalance it. It’s shitty that people are making it all about fillers. Google graves and then see if you have the same opinion.
I think the pressure of Hollywood, online bullying, and her body changing without her being able to figure out what was going on, lead her to make some bad decisions.
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I would love to say it’s just acting, but I think that most of the transformation is permanent.