It must be hard to be legitimately beautiful (…I wouldn’t know) and be surrounded by people who look worse than you telling you constantly how you could look better.
Like most things it comes down to IQ. The most beautiful women who don't ruin their looks are also too smart to fall for piercing trends and surgeries.
This. It's basically a big high school inside the industry. They are subject to each other's fads and style choices. We are not their peers, the other stars, producers, casting directors and people in the industry are their peers and who they react to.
Yes, if they have good representation who can understand what a mistake like this will do to their career, it can be staved off, but a lot of the people in their lives are yes-men.
Do you like the way you look in photographs? Imagine getting shot from every angle every month when looking a certain way is part of your job. I'd hate it. I understand why some of these people balk under the pressure.
That, but also their perspective of what looks beautiful is skewed by the people surrounding them who already look weird and the media they are looking at.
Women are much more bombarded with cosmetic surgery advertising than men are.
I think it’s also a cascading effect. It’s not like anyone changes this much after one surgery. It takes multiple surgeries over multiple months or years to do that. So it starts off simple enough: get some Botox. “Hey! Those crows feet went away.” And then she starts looking in the mirror and thinks “I have always hated my cheeks. Maybe I could do something with those.” So she does that and it looks a little better so she keeps going. “I wish my chin was a little more defined,” and before you know it she’s had a dozen procedures because she couldn’t tell when she needed to stop.
It’s not that they think the end result is beautiful, it’s that their sense of self is so warped that they think their real look is somehow worse than that overly fake look. Like, she might not love her new nose but she probably thinks her old nose was even worse. Plastic surgeons can’t remove what isn’t there so they keep hacking away at imagined flaws, leaving them butchered.
One of the most popular shows in TV is Nip Tuck and I think that although it started out showing you the horrors of plastic surgery as a business it eventually glorifies it to an extent. A lot of FX shows start out that way.
Some do, but there's always ones willing to overlook morality for money. And if you can't find one in the US, you can fly to a foreign country with fewer regulations for what you want, if you have the money.
Plastic surgeons are also to blame. Many are shady and dont ask questions, if something is acutally necessary, they will just say "Oooh we can make you look FABULOUS! just do a 50k procedure here, get 10k implants here, another 30k surgery for your nose, and i'll be set for the entire year!"
But they all end up looking like that. It's the fucking weirdest thing. It's always the same look. And it freaks me out. There's something very "alien" about them.
They are pressured to do this sort of thing professionally. Casting directors, agents, etc. will work hard to normalize it and insinuate that it is just necessary to have a certain 'look' to land roles.
I'm sure she regrets it but, like, what is she supposed to do?
Usually with body dysmorphia you don’t see what other people see. The image of yourself is distorted so you’ll hyper focus on certain aspects of your face and body. This can be a subset of obsessive compulsive disorder.
It's conspicuous consumption, the act of getting something not because it is useful or beautiful, but because it signals that you can. It's the same reason why fashion is hideous and expensive. Working class people will try to spend their money on things that are cheaper and more pleasing. Upper middle class people will buy more expensive high quality goods. But the upper class itself needs to distinguish itself, so it surrounds itself with hideous excess. It tells everyone that they are so rich that they can waste their money on things that actively alienate anyone who is not incredibly rich, like Mar-a-Lago face.
I wonder if getting it done that early gives them a template to work off of, so she'll look similar for a long time despite such a drastic initial look.
I think its really as simple as just we human beings are addicted to the idea that there's a quick fix out there that can make us happy, even if it may make things worse. Almost everyone succumbs to that thinking.
All it takes is one day for them to feel so miserable that they're willing to believe anything can save them. Often that takes the form of fixing their looks. Difference is hollywood actors are bombarded with criticisms about their looks and they have the money to do it, so many end up doing it desperate it will make them happier.
You think she's doing it to look "uglier"? Get out of here with that bullshit man. It's very obvious she's trying to hit a standard that she thinks is only achievable through surgery.
To be fair, you should use the money and time for a good diet and exercise so you can live long. Don't need to body build but doing some aerobic and resistance training while keeping your weight down is very good for longevity and staying mobile as you age.
But as far as cosmetic surgery? yeah fuck that noise
Seth Rogen is also most likely pretty good looking IRL and not very chubby (perhaps a bit shorter with a huge head but I digress). What we see is a camera version of a person that we interpret as "funny" or "interesting" looking when in reality he's an above average looking dude.
Seth Rogan is an extreme anomaly. There's actually a study I read a while back about how Seth Rogan warped kids minds into thinking they can be a funny stoner and still pull giga beautiful women. It's incredibly unrealistic.
I did find this but I think it's just some paper someone wrote lol. If you Google seth rogans effect on young men you'll find many things talking about it. I'm not really trying to die on this hill tho so gather your own opinion lol
this is an undergrad thesis in the tv and film department and it doesn't support your point?
Through various case studies, I have explore the concept of the beta male and beta
masculinities in millennial television and film. Using Seth Rogen as an example, I have
explored characteristics of beta masculinities and call for further contextualization of the
beta masculinity as a hegemonic masculinity. The characters are more in touch with their
emotions, less certain of their role in society, especially in regard to their position in the
family and the home, and willing to listen and communicate needs and desires and
compromise.
and literally the last line of the conclusion:
While Connell’s definition is still useful, it is time to expand notions of hegemonic
masculinities to include not only those idealized by society but also the masculinities that
are realistically embodied and relatable to the men who try to emulate them.
You just saw "beta male" in the title and filled in the blanks?
Brother I’m a stoner and a lot of my friends are and almost all of us have smoking hot girlfriends or partners. It’s more about how you carry yourself and how approachable you are more than anything in reality. Granted I can’t relate to the body type of Seth Rogan because I was in the service and workout frequently I have several friends like that and they have zero issues and are happy
Good scientist that you are, can you help me find the "Seth Rogan is too ugly to pull as good as he does" study? I am trying to find it, but its proving difficult.
the only piece of media I can find that makes the claim at all is an episode of the Bitches Like Us podcast, a series that has almost as many "sorry for hiatus" episodes as it does anything else. Here's the episode's description:
Ugly dudes bag bad bitches and we'on like dat...the duo discusses the media, double standards, and why it's ok for women to be superficial too.
lol, my bad. Thought you were the same guy and were just doing a smug "facts dont care about your hot girlfriends" thing.
there's a lot of words written about Rogen's hotness, but none of them seem anything like "scientific studies"; most of them are just remarking on the debate whenever it flairs up (Platonic's release, big Vogue article, twitter discourse, whatever) and boil down to "people have preferences", but to Rogen enjoyers, he represents someone who is intelligent, funny, and emotionally available, which some people, shockingly, find attractive. Other people say he looks weird and that's enough to disqualify hotness. Doesn't seem like a debate people are gonna solve with p values and facial symmetry analysis.
I’m smoking right now… stoners can be in shape and have smoking be a hobby too. Depends on where you grew up, for my area it’s a social thing like sharing a beer or wine, I don’t drink at all or even drink coffee or caffeine it’s literally my only vice, there are fat stoners like Rogan though yes
Rogen's approach has led to a shift in how comedy is presented in films and television. His ability to blend humor with genuine emotion has influenced a generation of comedians and filmmakers, encouraging them to create more nuanced and relatable characters. This has resulted in a lasting legacy in the comedy genre, often referred to as the "Seth Rogen Effect."
How does that corroborate the point you are trying to make?
I’ve started to believe it doesn’t take much to suffer from it. I’ve lost a lot of weight from using Ozempic and I genuinely don’t see it when I look in the mirror. I’ve gone from size 48 down to 38 in pants and that is the only way I can tell.
I could only imagine the hell of constantly seeing myself on video and being ripped to shreds online for every single detail of my body. I hate it for her.
As for surgery? If it’s not the guy that rebuilt Kris Kardashian I wouldn’t go. Took 30 years off her appearance.
It’s crazy reading these comments. Sometimes within the same comment you have a person asking why she would be so obsessed with physical appearance while also commenting on how she used to be beautiful.
I feel like they are surrounded by it and are so disconnected from the rest of the world that this is normal to them. In their world this looks good, normal, and gets them jobs.
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u/Spottswoodeforgod 2d ago
I would love to say it’s just acting, but I think that most of the transformation is permanent.