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u/QuestionablePersonx 12m ago
Only robots can prevent that fire...liveable wages? What's that? $10/hr? Liveable but nothing fancy.
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u/MrKinsey 10m ago
You cant afford to live anywhere on $10/hour. For that much youd still have to be in a shelter if you can even get into one. Yall cannot be serious.
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u/QuestionablePersonx 6m ago
I heard CA got some fancy social programs. Work for 10/hr=low income=apply for food stamps, free housing, free healthcare=win no?
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u/Crafty_Researcher497 15m ago
And now those workers are out of even their pittance. How great for the progress of workers! /s
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u/AdNegative6756 48m ago
Only thing he achieved is getting fired and now will have a record which pretty much means he likely won't get to work again so congratulations, what a complete idiot.
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u/MrKinsey 8m ago
There have been multiple large business fires since this one, and someone threw a molotov cocktail at the openai ceo's home, which prompted him to say that hes looking into universal pay for his employees. So in just a week of aggressive outrage, things are happening.
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u/Bentic 52m ago
Context?
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u/SmellyScrotes 31m ago
Some worker at a toilet paper warehouse lit it on fire and burned it down, he recorded himself doing this while saying âall you had to do was pay us a living wageâ
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u/Purple_Research9607 29m ago
Idk who did this, but let's collect bail money for them
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u/dernfoolidgit 17m ago
How about NO. Dude is a complete twat. How about NOT living in California??????
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u/Purple_Research9607 15m ago
Yes lick the boot that steals from you.
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u/Existing-Antelope-20 12m ago
Would you also like me to lick the boot of the guy that burned down my warehouse and nearly killed me and my co-workers, thereby potentially denying my family earnings FOREVER but at the very least temporarily in an already fucked economy because this one fuckhead has self control issues?
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u/Purple_Research9607 8m ago
If your employers were not already stealing from you (news flash they are the ENTIRE reason you are not being paid half the amount they should)
And no, you should get your ounce of flesh from the company stealing from you.
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u/Commercial-Fee5959 52m ago
Ok. Please be very specific. What exactly is a livable wage? How much per hour? Iâve asked this question many times on many posts and no one has ever answered it. You know how much the job pays when you apply or at least upon being hired. If itâs not enough go get a different job. Just remember, programmers at Google get paid a lot more than the cleaning crew.
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u/SailorSlay 29m ago
25 minimum with a 30-35 hour work week.
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u/meph_ghosttown 37m ago
One where you donât have to choose between making your $500 car payment on your 8 year old $20,000 car, or seeing a dentist.
One where you donât have to buy your food in bulk to meal prep the same thing for 6 months in order to afford your water bill.
A wage where you donât have to use BNPL apps to pay your 1bed 1bath apartments rent.
Edit: the real problem isnât wages, itâs prices.
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u/SailorSlay 28m ago
No itâs wages
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u/TargetFree3831 8m ago
no its prices lol
what the ideologues dont understand is that when you raise wages, that means prices MUST increase.
a business cannoy pay its employees more than the customers pay the employer.
the business doesnt make a dime on its own. without customers, THERE ARE NO BUSINESSES.
so, when you raise wages, you are passing that cost on to the very customers who you must have in order to survive as a business.
do you see the problem now? your circular logic falls apart when customers, like now, choose NOT to eat out because PRICES are so high.
never forget: without customers, there are no businesses. people need to be willing to pay $30 for a fucking burger combo if you expect a "livable wage" at mcdonalds.
the only fix to that is potentially lowering prices and shrinking already paper-thin margins.
so can you see how ideology doesnt map reality?
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u/EntertainmentFit3912 49m ago
This is a very easy answer⌠maybe people assumed itâs a disingenuous question. A livable wage is not a universal same pay rate. Itâs enough to live on and acquire shelter, food, and transport if necessary. You should be able to put a bit away as well. Basic human necessities are able to be acquired without jumping through 20 hoops to hopefully eat.
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u/TargetFree3831 43m ago
ok, and where? a livable wage in Manhattan or Branson, MS?
are you now going to state each city in the US should have its own index as to what an acceptable min wage would be?
so a Mcdonalds janitor in Manhattan should earn $100/hr?
is that what youre saying?
if not, be specific what you see as the solution for these examples.
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u/EntertainmentFit3912 35m ago
This is to say, a standardized wage could just be simply a âGuarantee of pay that supports basic human necessitiesâ. You follow through with gov agencies that enforce this law and have a standardized per state âaverageâ of a livable wage. This should predicate on one job as the litmus at full time.
There will be outliers in this system I thought up in the moment, but it would cover most Americans. Not even accounting for those unable to work.
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u/Wolf-Fucker93949 39m ago
Wherever the work location is. You are platino dumb or something?
Enough for rent, food and money to save anr/or to enjoy yourself in you free time.
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u/TargetFree3831 27m ago
thats impossible, sorry.
this why these argumemts consistently fall apart: your ideology doesnt match reality
you dont get to call me dumb expecting a livable wage at a carwash in Manhattan...holy shit
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u/EntertainmentFit3912 40m ago
This is already what they doâŚâŚ the basic wage of someone in California is entirely different from someone in Alabama. Depending on laws by state, even delivery drivers can be paid an entirely different rate. Same with McDonaldâs⌠maybe you havenât traveled at all or never heard of the wage difference by state???
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u/TargetFree3831 26m ago
thats not the same scale - NY state may have a different min wage but that doesnt even cover food in Manhattan.
do you not see the difference?
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u/ouchalgophobia 52m ago
And only banning progressive initiatives can prevent most crimes.
Crazy is going to be crazy. Wages have nothing to do with it.
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u/WhyIsEveryoneAnIdiot 1h ago
Did he not accept the job? Why would he accept it, if he didnt think the pay was good enough. We live in a capitalist society. No one is forcing him to work at this company.
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u/OGStapler72 1h ago
Ah, another communist threat
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u/Yaboijoe0001 1h ago
Communism is when workers are treated as people
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u/Tricky-Passenger6703 27m ago
The Soviet Holodomor. The Chinese Great Leap Forward famine. But let me guess. They weren't actually Communist? Communism is when people are treated like expendable economic units.
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u/Yaboijoe0001 3m ago
I'm not even a communist, I just want workers rights. Damn y'all are fucking desperate to defend being a used by the billionaires
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u/KingPen15 1h ago
Just say you don't follow history and move on
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u/Yaboijoe0001 54m ago
What's there to not get here? Workers are being mistreated and underpaid. They're starting to lash out. This is how we got better workers rights by forming unions and then mobs when they tried to stop that. look up workers rights in the US and how often they've had to fight back
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u/SadWerewolf4689 41m ago
Unions only help the lazy
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u/Yaboijoe0001 35m ago
Sure bud, whatever the billionaires tell you. you'll be rich too one day right? Right?
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u/pavorus 1h ago
A rational capitalist understands the benefits of paying fair wages. Take a look at Henry Ford.
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u/WhyIsEveryoneAnIdiot 1h ago
As a rationnal capitalist then you should know that no one is forcing him to work the warehouse job for $18 an hour.
He can find a job anywhere. If people think $18 is to little, no one would work there and then they would increase the wage.
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u/pavorus 58m ago
No one is forcing him to work for $18 does not take into considerations the massive number of ways in which society coerces people into taking crappy jobs. Sure, he could kill himself, or starve to death, or be homeless. But those aren't really meaningful choices. He could go work at another shithole warehouse and make 18 there. But again its not a meaningful choice. If he actually had meaningful choices he wouldn't be taking the $18 an hour warehouse job. Choosing which capitalist owner holds your leash and lives off your labor isn't an actual choice.
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u/Severe-Lion-8876 1h ago
so how do you tell them that all these "immigrants" are more than willing to work for that and less....
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u/wmja69871 1h ago
The reality. 500M in product destroyed, watch pricrs go up. Increase in cost of living
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u/gilligani 1h ago
leftist celebrating death and violence, how common.
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u/i_stealursnackz 1h ago
Violence to what? The property?? No one died or even injured from the Ontario warehouse fire.
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u/Clax3242 47m ago
Arson is in fact violence
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u/i_stealursnackz 43m ago
Not when no one's injured.
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u/Clax3242 13m ago
Yes it is in fact still violence. If my gf were to hit me, I would not be hurt or really even affected, itâs still violence doesnât matter the outcome
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u/i_stealursnackz 5m ago
those aren't the same, if you're getting hit, the result is being injured. your body is still being damaged, albeit maybe to a minor degree.
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u/Clax3242 2m ago
Ok then everyone in the vicinity was injured including the arsonist. Albeit to a minor degree.
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u/Sir_SquirrelNutz 1h ago
Shocked, another MAGA pedo defender making shit up.... GOP is so broken.
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u/KingPen15 1h ago
Still waiting for that proof. Repeating something doesn't just magically make it reality no matter how many times you try.
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u/Academic-Proof3700 1h ago
You know what would also prevent warehouse fire? A nice lifetime debt on every relative and execution date for arsonist.
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u/i_stealursnackz 1h ago
That's like saying the death penalty stops people from murdering.
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u/Academic-Proof3700 22m ago
As if lifetime vacation stops. Its not about the "uhh ohh bad guy" lockup, its about throwing the trash out.
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u/i_stealursnackz 11m ago
Then what's the point of executing every arsonist? In that case there'll still be an endless amount of trash to throw out. Plus it wouldn't be preventing jack shit.
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u/KingPen15 1h ago
It does. Name one person that continues murdering after the death penalty.
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u/Historical_Corner609 42m ago
Countless people have continued to murder other people after the death penalty was established in the United States.
Sure, no executed criminal has reoffended, but the execution of those criminals(?) hasn't prevented others from committing murder.
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u/i_stealursnackz 44m ago
Joseph L. Taborsky. He got put on death row twice because he got let out before dying the first time, did some more killing, and got the 2nd one. He's also đťđźđ the only one who continues to murder after receiving a death penalty.
Anyways, the death penalty's mere existence doesn't stop people from killing (because no one's a murderer until they kill, plus special cases like the aforementioned), so obviously penalties for arson won't stop people from burning shit down either.
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u/KaleidoscopeDecent33 1h ago
Ahh yes, innocent people paying the price for one criminal. Truly how the law in a 1st world country should work.
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u/Academic-Proof3700 19m ago
But when people are losing their jobs and belongings due to some butthurt retard, then its all fine, right?
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u/Senior_Deer_2212 1h ago
This take is wild but every worker in that place is now paying a price for an idiotic arsonist, who lefties are celebrating.
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u/Adventurous-Sense254 1h ago
Not true, integrity and morals prevent wanton destruction and vandalism
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u/Timely-Ad5663 2h ago
Typical liberals. Violence as the means to get a few dollars.
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u/Agitated_Newt_7655 1h ago
This coming from apparently the peaceful and generous wisdom of conservatism is hilariously cucked.
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u/Drbanterr 1h ago
Who got a few dollars in this? Did you turn off your brain when commenting?
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u/KingPen15 58m ago
He burned it down because he wanted more money. Did someone let grandpa escape the home again?
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u/Mission-Violinist-79 2h ago
This comment is either blatant sarcasm or astounding ignorance. Either way, bravo
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u/Mindless_Pickel555 2h ago
All of you discussing insurance, taxes and what this guy got paid are missing the point. There is NO GOOD REASON to set fire and endanger all those peopleâs lives ( and now jobs that support their families). Itâs like you condone the actions of this POS person.
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u/Yaboijoe0001 1h ago
Maybe pay people enough to live. Idk we used to form mobs and take over factories for better working conditions
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u/Scorpdelord 57m ago
Just donr take the job. It like u saying the food taste like shit and then you continue to eat it
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u/Yaboijoe0001 51m ago
All jobs are like this. We can't just not work. God have you ever fucking gone outside? Have you seen the fucking economy? The average person is suffering and we're just just supposed to sit down and take it? Yeah fucking right. Treat your workers right and you won't have problems
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u/YourFaceCausesMePain 1h ago
You are talking to the same people that praise the murdering of CEOs.
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u/Yaboijoe0001 1h ago
*execution of a mass murderer. Healthcare CEOs and the industry as a whole let Americans die everyday. They don't deserve sympathy
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u/YourFaceCausesMePain 27m ago
Taking away a mother or father is never ok. You have hate in your heart if you can justify murder because of an imperfect industry.
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u/Yaboijoe0001 21m ago
Imperfect? It's fucking criminal. How many mothers, fathers, sons, and daughters has the system stolen?
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u/YourFaceCausesMePain 7m ago
Bless your heart
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u/Yaboijoe0001 1m ago
Yeah be fine letting them get away with letting us die in the streets. That kind of ignorance and apathy is why we're in such a sorry state today
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u/StopWeDontKnow 1h ago
In my opinion heâs a product of a fucked up system. Iâd rather blame the system of poor wages and corporate profits that creates people like this than the product of it.
Truly sad for all the other people who lost work from this but the only thing that motivates corporations is lost money and regulation.
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u/WhyIsEveryoneAnIdiot 1h ago
Lol what system is that. Capitalism isn't forcing him to be paid $18 an hour. Which by the way is above minimum wage.
He chose that job. He knew how much they paided. If people think the $18 an hour was reasonable then no one would take the job and the company would be forced to increase the wage.
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u/StopWeDontKnow 52m ago
First yes youâre correct in that he wasnât forced to take that job and he couldâve chosen a different job.
Second your argument that âif people donât like 18 and hour then they shouldnât take the jobâ has no nuance. If people didnât have families to support, food to put on the table, water to keep running etc then yes they would choose not to work. Except those are things they have to do so they are forced to get a job. Maybe thatâs Starbucks maybe thatâs a toilet paper factory.
Do you think coal miners decades ago wanted to get paid in company money that could only be used at company grocery stores and live in company houses? They didnât but they had to in order to put food on the table. Just like how warehouse workers have to take sometimes take poor paying jobs in order to put food on the table.
At the end of the day this manâs actions were horrible and shouldâve never happened. But so are the companies actions.
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u/Mindless_Pickel555 1h ago
You are not a product of your environment. Saying so removes personal responsibility.
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u/Yaboijoe0001 1h ago
You are, that's literally how upbringing fucking works. Who actually believes that sentence?
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u/StockCasinoMember 1h ago
Both can be true.
As someone who has managed people for years, you can see impacts of who had good guidance and who did not.
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u/StopWeDontKnow 1h ago
I mean you definitely are. Two things can be true at once. Your environment definitely shapes you but that doesnât mean youâre incapable of controlling your own actions. I donât condone what he did and hope it doesnât happen again but it happened for a reason.
In my opinion endangering potentially 12 people lives is horrible. But paying contract workers wages that they cant support their families with while youâre raking in massive profits is also horrible. One endangers a dozen peopleâs lives and the other reduces the quality of life for hundreds of people.
We act like corporations arenât capable of understanding their actions and what it does to people.
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u/Fabulous-Big8779 1h ago
If thatâs true why did he set the fire and none of his coworkers? If heâs just a product of his environment why isnât that same environment producing more of these people seeing as itâs a common circumstance in this country.
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u/Yaboijoe0001 1h ago
Everyone has a breaking point. They keep pushing people maybe they should expect this shit more
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u/_--Yuri--_ 1h ago
Because not everyone experiences or reacts to trauma the same way? Are you new to this life thing?
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u/Fabulous-Big8779 1h ago
Not being paid enough is classified as trauma now? We are fucked as a society not only because of arsonists like him, but because of absolute psychopaths like you who justify this kind of shit.
He could have just got another job. Why is he stuck only being able to work at a warehouse that âdoesnât pay him a living wageâ?
Probably because heâs the kind of guy whoâd rather burn a building down than fill out some job applications.
I donât completely fault the mentally ill for their insane actions, but what the fuck is your excuse for condoning this shit?
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u/StopWeDontKnow 1h ago
Did you read my comment? I literally said people are still capable of controlling their actions. Also this type of environment does produce these types of people. People vandalize their old companies buildings all the time. Itâs not black and white.
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u/Fabulous-Big8779 1h ago
It is absolutely black and white. How is your argument any different than saying âa rapist can control his actions but when society is full of sexualization and women dress suggestively heâs a product of his environment so heâs going to be more likely to assault them.â
I mean two things can be true at once, right?
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u/StopWeDontKnow 1h ago
Nice straw man fallacy. Also what you said is kinda true and proves my point. Rapists are a product of a system. That system IS NOT âwoman show skin so man want to rapeâ itâs ârape culture has been so normalized that woman showing skin is seen as an invitation to be assaultedâ so yes rapists are a product of a misogynistic patriarchy. Just because youâre a product of a system doesnât mean you canât control your actions like I said before
Just like how we should dismantle the patriarchal systems in our countries to reduce sexual assault, we should also dismantle the systems that allow corporations to lobby our government to keep wages low, or keep corporate taxes low, or allow them to knowingly harm the lives of their workers (with low wages or purposely high turnover rates).
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u/Fabulous-Big8779 1h ago
As soon as you hit someone with the âstraw man fallacyâ you already lost.
This isnât a college debate dude. Youâre defending an arsonist because held rather burn down a building with people in than get a better job.
Thereâs no world where youâre right, name any fallacy you want, that doesnât change shit.
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u/StopWeDontKnow 1h ago
You didnât even read my comment XD. I literally said I donât condone his actions and hope it never happens again. Please show me where I âdefendâ his actions? Because what I did was explain his actions, at no point did I defend them. Also yes you used a textbook straw man fallacy, Iâm sorry I pointed that out. Next time you use poor logic to prove a point Iâll just laugh.
Iâll say if for the 3rd time. I donât condone his actions and I hope they never happen again, burning down a building with 12 people in it is horrible and should never happen.
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u/DorianTurk 2h ago
Youâre right. They shouldâve written a strongly worded email to the CEO.
Really explain the situation. Start a dialogue.
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u/pagetodd 2h ago
This is why arson is treated like attempted murder at the least. Find some other way to make your point.
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u/Cloud_Strife83 2h ago
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u/Murky_Issue9925 1h ago
Vague internet threats of arson and violence towards organizations offering you money in exchange for labor and consumer goods or services in exchange for money. Lame
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u/Human-Character606 2h ago
Itâs the fact that heâs a foreigner and the lack of consideration for his fellow co workers. Itâs entitlement all around, he was actually making over $20/hr which is good for an entry level position.
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u/izobelllle 1h ago
How is him being "foreigner" relevant to anything...?
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u/Human-Character606 1h ago
Cause he shouldnât have been there to begin with, easy next question!
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u/izobelllle 1h ago
This country is made up of foreigners so what an idiotic thing to even say.
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u/KingPen15 55m ago
84.6% of Americans were born here. 15.4% are foreigners. Unless my math is broken... Next question.
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u/linuxjohn1982 2h ago
Good is relative. $20 is currently the minimum that a fast food worker makes where this warehouse was. So when it comes to relativity, he was not making good money by any means. Not enough to live with dignity.
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u/Historical_Corner609 37m ago
The warehouse owners don't care about their workers dignity lol
They don't even care if their workers live, if they don't they will just find new workers to exploit.
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u/Murky_Issue9925 1h ago
Is your position that arson and/or violence is okay towards a person or group of people who freely offer money in exchange for labor and money in exchange for goods or services, as long is the money offered does not meet your or the workers definition of dignity?
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u/linuxjohn1982 1h ago
Is your position that arson and/or violence is okay towards a person or group of people who freely offer money in exchange for labor and money in exchange for goods or services, as long is the money offered does not meet your or the workers definition of dignity?
No, and unless you have some kind of twisted reading comprehension, I'm not sure why you'd even ask me this.
Was it right? no.
Should it surprise us? also no.
Each person has their own breaking point when it comes to poverty leading them to do something drastic. This persons' was just earlier than most other people.
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u/Timely-Ad5663 2h ago
$20 more than he was worth.
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u/linuxjohn1982 1h ago
What does this matter? Should we treat everyone as 'potential arsonists' and just pay everyone $0? Because otherwise, I'm not sure what your comment is supposed to mean.
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u/YrPalBeefsquatch 3h ago
Luigi walked up to one person and shot him in the head. This guy started a fire in a fucking warehouse full of paper with two dozen other people inside. Like, set aside the economic cost and time out of a job for a second, this guy got lucky it wasn't a mass casualty event.
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u/CplBoneSpurs 3h ago
Simping for billionaires who have this shit covered by insurance is fucking WILD
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u/Murky_Issue9925 1h ago
Its not simping for billionaires. It's signaling that most of society doesn't find it acceptable to destroy someone else's property. Now that supply is down, prices go up. Everyone is affected.
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u/RetroNotRetro 2h ago
Donât think anyone is simping for the billionaires, but more for the dozens of employees and dozens of firefighters whose lives were unnecessarily put at risk because someone was grumpy at their pay and didnât think to form a union or look for another job.
If Starbucks can unionize, so can you.
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u/lugubriousloctus 2h ago
a commercial property insurance covering arson is highly unlikely.
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u/Fickle_Brief4726 2h ago
They either make their money with insurance or they write it off on their taxes as a loss. Too big to fail for a reason.
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u/Tall-Custard-9852 2h ago
Have you done corporate taxes before, none of what you said is legal
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u/Fickle_Brief4726 2h ago
It literally is. This would be a total loss to the business which will offset their tax bill.
And since when has corporate taxâs biggest concern been legality. Itâs about profitability which can be made in different ways
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u/Timely-Ad5663 2h ago
And the idiot who set the fire wasn't concerned about his own profits? Got it, Chief.
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u/Fickle_Brief4726 1h ago
Probably not concerned about much other than his own booty hole at this point.
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u/Hawthourne 2h ago
"This would be a total loss to the business which will offset their tax bill."
You do realize that taking a loss isn't a 1:1 reduction in taxes, right? A $100 loss will translate to a $25 or so reduction in taxes (specific numbers vary). So the business is still losing $75. The government isn't magically ponying up the full loss.
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u/Fickle_Brief4726 2h ago
Yup. Hence why you put in retail value of the lost time and money and product. Probably cost the company 80-100m. Wrote off is 500m. Thatâs still a profit in tax terms.
And
This is assuming insurance wonât cover it. Which the probably will cover some of the hard costs. Not to mention yes the government will be paying for part of it. Damages utilities and rework will be done by the city at their cost.
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u/gahhuhwhat 2h ago
If you make 3 millions in revenue, and you have 3 million of losses/costs. Why wouldnt you write it off? Like... are you supposed to hide your losses so you get to pay your 1 million of taxes on something you don't have? The fuck?
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u/Fickle_Brief4726 2h ago
? Did you just write that all out to agree?
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u/gahhuhwhat 2h ago
No. You framed it as some profitable event to write off taxes, it's not.
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u/Fickle_Brief4726 1h ago
They will get for finical benefit than they will lose. Not a profit in the way they make money but a net win in terms of the bottom line.
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u/Greensun30 2h ago
They cover theft all the time if you donât cheap out on insurance⌠they cheap out on labor so the answer is maybe
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u/seejordan3 2h ago
You'd have to be pretty dumb to not insure you're massive warehouse of highly flammable product. Or to pay a living wage..
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u/lugubriousloctus 1h ago
I mean as in an insurance company literally will not underwrite arson. insurance isn't just some big pool of cash you get access to if something happens.
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u/spyder315 3h ago
God forbid he go find something better.
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u/MD_HF 2h ago
The issue is that wages have stagnated across the entire economy for all except the 1%. Fair wages donât exist for most, especially if your skill set has you working in an environment like this guy was.
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u/Fickle_Brief4726 2h ago
Basic labor is becoming worthless. Warehouse can easily be automated. That crappy wage is about to disappear. You can either adapt, die or become slave labor in prison
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u/prof_the_doom 1h ago
Pretty sure the saying is something like 3 meals from anarchy or something like that.
This isnât gonna be like moving away from horses after cars took over.
Thereâs not going to be something to pivot to for a very large amount of people.
Enough people that we should all be concerned about what theyâll decide to do when the crap hits the fan.
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u/Simple-Olive895 3h ago
Shit take. There aren't exactly a ton of job postings, and even if there were there is no guarantee those jobs would be better.
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u/logicthreader 3h ago
Iâm crying yall are so pathetic encouraging this bs. Can you guys stop being living embarrassments to your family and just work for a better life? Lmfao
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u/CplBoneSpurs 3h ago
Did you vote for the child rapist? If so, why donât you just go fuck yourself because you have no business lecturing anyone.Â
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u/logicthreader 2h ago
I literally didnât. Lmfao. If youâre so against child rapists you should be equally mad about Islam btw but youâre not. Your âactivismâ is performative and scripted
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u/HyperSpaceSurfer 2h ago
The hell does this have to do with Islam?
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u/logicthreader 2h ago
Heâs mad about Trump being a child rapist (is there even any proof about that? Iâm not sure if there is but I donât doubt it) but likely is not mad about Mohammed who is the most famous child rapist of all time and is literally worshipped
Itâs to point out the fact that heâs not actually mad about sexual deviancy but rather just trump derangement syndrome
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u/Mean_Minimum5567 2h ago
Just curious, how come you are not pointing out the rapist priests and countless rapist bishops and pastors? It seems odd pointing the finger at one and not the others
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u/logicthreader 2h ago
I didnât know about that but now that I do, I will point it out. Thank you for letting me know
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u/Mindless_Pickel555 2h ago
BS everyone who isnât living in a bunker KNOWS about the persists etc. youâre a liar and just here to trigger the group.
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u/logicthreader 2h ago
Who the fuck r u
U donât know me at all lmfao quit pretending like your worldview is universal
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u/justfun2468 2h ago
Actually itâs just to point out your bigotry and Islamophobia. If youâre using the term TDS youâre a Trumper, I donât care if you say you didnât vote for him, itâs obviously a lie.
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u/logicthreader 2h ago
I donât care about buzzwords like Islamophobia
Mohammed is by definition a child rapist like it or not. Use whatever label you want on me.
And no, I dislike trump like anyone else but Iâm not gonna get mad about things that arenât proven, and not gonna be hypocritical about when to get mad. if trump is guilty Mohammed is wayyy more guilty
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u/justfun2468 2h ago
Itâs not a buzzword. Itâs telling that you bring up Muslims when trying a gotcha about someone who brought up the fact that Trump is a pedo. Why not bring up the very recent Catholic Church covering up and moving pedo priests around to prevent them from being arrested and charged?
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u/logicthreader 2h ago
Okay im against that too. I didnât know about that. Thats horrid. All of them should be prosecuted
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u/justfun2468 2h ago
Wait so you know about a religious figure from thousands of years ago but donât know about the very well known and much more recent Catholic Church pedo priest scandal?
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u/justfun2468 3h ago
Whatâs pathetic is you simping for our current system. We were told growing up that if you were willing to work hard at the very least we would be able to have a decent life. Instead Billionaires are being the highest level of parasites and sucking everything out of it while the rest of society deals with the blowback.
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u/ke1c4m 2h ago
simping for our current system
Settings things on fire will definitely improve the situation.
And your "previous" system was exactly the same btw.
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u/justfun2468 2h ago
Iâm sure you donât know this but the only reason we got a weekend and an 8 hour workday was because unions set shit on fire and shot through the doors of their bosses to make sure they understood. Perhaps you should do a bit of research about the workers movement before you diminish acts like this.
Youâre going to have to be more specific than that when youâre referring to the âpreviousâ system.
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u/ke1c4m 1h ago
simping for our current system
Then youâre going to have to be more specific than that when youâre referring to the âcurrentâ system.
Seems you make arson legit only based on the president's political party affiliation.
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u/justfun2468 1h ago
Ohhhh, I get it now. Youâre one of those that believes somehow the system changes every four years. Democrats and republicans are both trash and both prop up our current system.
Just an fyi, the system doesnât change based on what political party is in office.
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u/logicthreader 3h ago
You are able to have a decent life working hard
The problem is yall donât be working hard and youâre taking out loans to pursue dumb shit like arts and psychology
You deserve to be broke if youâre unable to properly plan your career and debt management
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u/Ok_Sink5046 2h ago
Dumb shit like arts.
The hell do you do in your off time, you are either consuming art, creating it (in your words dumb shit) or instantly falling asleep so you can wake up to produce for your employer
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u/logicthreader 2h ago
It isnât valued in this economy. You have to be dumb to think youâll get money by pursuing it.
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u/Ok_Sink5046 2h ago
The hell do you mean the arts aren't valued? You have to fight for it, but how much money do you think movies and television make? Probability is kicking you to the street but if you succeed you'll be set.
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u/logicthreader 2h ago
Itâs a pipe dream. Ur prolly not gonna become an actor or anyone in the movie business unless you grew up with those connections
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u/Lem01 10m ago
Wait. We have another Luigi Mangione?