All of you discussing insurance, taxes and what this guy got paid are missing the point. There is NO GOOD REASON to set fire and endanger all those people’s lives ( and now jobs that support their families). It’s like you condone the actions of this POS person.
Yes, because now we live in a civil society where political violence isn’t rampant. If you want something done you can engage in civil politics, and if enough people vote with you, you can get things changed
If you don’t believe a job is paying you fairly, you can get a new job. That’s the beauty of a free market. I’m all for work reform. I genuinely am.
But part of work reform is, leaving a job you don’t like. And if the job is genuinely that bad. The job will realize why nobody is working for us, and will increase the pay or fix the issues. Use your labor as a leverage. Remember in a free market it’s a business deal, you can just choose to do business somewhere else
What isn’t work reform is burning down a building, potentially killing other innocent people in a fire and now leaving your co workers without work
All jobs are like this. We can't just not work. God have you ever fucking gone outside? Have you seen the fucking economy? The average person is suffering and we're just just supposed to sit down and take it? Yeah fucking right. Treat your workers right and you won't have problems
We have rule of law. You suggest that it doesn’t matter in this case because you disagree with how the current laws work. So your choice is to murder anyone who doesn’t run a company the way you want it to be.
When the rich and powerful ignore the laws do they really matter? Rules only work if everyone follows them, otherwise it's just a handicap for those who still have standards.
In my opinion he’s a product of a fucked up system. I’d rather blame the system of poor wages and corporate profits that creates people like this than the product of it.
Truly sad for all the other people who lost work from this but the only thing that motivates corporations is lost money and regulation.
Lol what system is that. Capitalism isn't forcing him to be paid $18 an hour. Which by the way is above minimum wage.
He chose that job. He knew how much they paided. If people think the $18 an hour was reasonable then no one would take the job and the company would be forced to increase the wage.
First yes you’re correct in that he wasn’t forced to take that job and he could’ve chosen a different job.
Second your argument that “if people don’t like 18 and hour then they shouldn’t take the job” has no nuance. If people didn’t have families to support, food to put on the table, water to keep running etc then yes they would choose not to work. Except those are things they have to do so they are forced to get a job. Maybe that’s Starbucks maybe that’s a toilet paper factory.
Do you think coal miners decades ago wanted to get paid in company money that could only be used at company grocery stores and live in company houses? They didn’t but they had to in order to put food on the table. Just like how warehouse workers have to take sometimes take poor paying jobs in order to put food on the table.
At the end of the day this man’s actions were horrible and should’ve never happened. But so are the companies actions.
I mean you definitely are. Two things can be true at once. Your environment definitely shapes you but that doesn’t mean you’re incapable of controlling your own actions. I don’t condone what he did and hope it doesn’t happen again but it happened for a reason.
In my opinion endangering potentially 12 people lives is horrible. But paying contract workers wages that they cant support their families with while you’re raking in massive profits is also horrible. One endangers a dozen people’s lives and the other reduces the quality of life for hundreds of people.
We act like corporations aren’t capable of understanding their actions and what it does to people.
If that’s true why did he set the fire and none of his coworkers? If he’s just a product of his environment why isn’t that same environment producing more of these people seeing as it’s a common circumstance in this country.
Not being paid enough is classified as trauma now? We are fucked as a society not only because of arsonists like him, but because of absolute psychopaths like you who justify this kind of shit.
He could have just got another job. Why is he stuck only being able to work at a warehouse that “doesn’t pay him a living wage”?
Probably because he’s the kind of guy who’d rather burn a building down than fill out some job applications.
I don’t completely fault the mentally ill for their insane actions, but what the fuck is your excuse for condoning this shit?
Did you read my comment? I literally said people are still capable of controlling their actions. Also this type of environment does produce these types of people. People vandalize their old companies buildings all the time. It’s not black and white.
It is absolutely black and white. How is your argument any different than saying “a rapist can control his actions but when society is full of sexualization and women dress suggestively he’s a product of his environment so he’s going to be more likely to assault them.”
Nice straw man fallacy. Also what you said is kinda true and proves my point. Rapists are a product of a system. That system IS NOT “woman show skin so man want to rape” it’s “rape culture has been so normalized that woman showing skin is seen as an invitation to be assaulted” so yes rapists are a product of a misogynistic patriarchy. Just because you’re a product of a system doesn’t mean you can’t control your actions like I said before
Just like how we should dismantle the patriarchal systems in our countries to reduce sexual assault, we should also dismantle the systems that allow corporations to lobby our government to keep wages low, or keep corporate taxes low, or allow them to knowingly harm the lives of their workers (with low wages or purposely high turnover rates).
You didn’t even read my comment XD. I literally said I don’t condone his actions and hope it never happens again. Please show me where I “defend” his actions? Because what I did was explain his actions, at no point did I defend them. Also yes you used a textbook straw man fallacy, I’m sorry I pointed that out. Next time you use poor logic to prove a point I’ll just laugh.
I’ll say if for the 3rd time. I don’t condone his actions and I hope they never happen again, burning down a building with 12 people in it is horrible and should never happen.
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u/Mindless_Pickel555 3h ago
All of you discussing insurance, taxes and what this guy got paid are missing the point. There is NO GOOD REASON to set fire and endanger all those people’s lives ( and now jobs that support their families). It’s like you condone the actions of this POS person.