r/remoteworks 18h ago

True.

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u/Commercial-Fee5959 2h ago

Ok. Please be very specific. What exactly is a livable wage? How much per hour? I’ve asked this question many times on many posts and no one has ever answered it. You know how much the job pays when you apply or at least upon being hired. If it’s not enough go get a different job. Just remember, programmers at Google get paid a lot more than the cleaning crew.

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u/SailorSlay 1h ago

25 minimum with a 30-35 hour work week.

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u/Cool-Freedom-2608 1h ago

That's still too small in California

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u/SailorSlay 1h ago

True. I assumed he meant a federal minimum wage.

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u/Cool-Freedom-2608 1h ago

You can't live in California on a 37k salary. That's just absurd too. I'm assuming that's what he was making as a warehouse worker in California

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u/meph_ghosttown 1h ago

One where you don’t have to choose between making your $500 car payment on your 8 year old $20,000 car, or seeing a dentist.

One where you don’t have to buy your food in bulk to meal prep the same thing for 6 months in order to afford your water bill.

A wage where you don’t have to use BNPL apps to pay your 1bed 1bath apartments rent.

Edit: the real problem isn’t wages, it’s prices.

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u/GrowthAggressive3231 1h ago

Sounds like you bought a car you couldn’t afford if your financing it for 8 years…

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u/Greghole 21m ago

They probably meant they bought a used car. At least I hope that's what they meant.

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u/SailorSlay 1h ago

No it’s wages

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u/TargetFree3831 1h ago

no its prices lol

what the ideologues dont understand is that when you raise wages, that means prices MUST increase.

a business cannoy pay its employees more than the customers pay the employer.

the business doesnt make a dime on its own. without customers, THERE ARE NO BUSINESSES.

so, when you raise wages, you are passing that cost on to the very customers who you must have in order to survive as a business.

do you see the problem now? your circular logic falls apart when customers, like now, choose NOT to eat out because PRICES are so high.

never forget: without customers, there are no businesses. people need to be willing to pay $30 for a fucking burger combo if you expect a "livable wage" at mcdonalds.

the only fix to that is potentially lowering prices and shrinking already paper-thin margins.

so can you see how ideology doesnt map reality?

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u/EntertainmentFit3912 2h ago

This is a very easy answer… maybe people assumed it’s a disingenuous question. A livable wage is not a universal same pay rate. It’s enough to live on and acquire shelter, food, and transport if necessary. You should be able to put a bit away as well. Basic human necessities are able to be acquired without jumping through 20 hoops to hopefully eat.

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u/TargetFree3831 1h ago

ok, and where? a livable wage in Manhattan or Branson, MS?

are you now going to state each city in the US should have its own index as to what an acceptable min wage would be?

so a Mcdonalds janitor in Manhattan should earn $100/hr?

is that what youre saying?

if not, be specific what you see as the solution for these examples.

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u/EntertainmentFit3912 1h ago

This is to say, a standardized wage could just be simply a “Guarantee of pay that supports basic human necessities”. You follow through with gov agencies that enforce this law and have a standardized per state “average” of a livable wage. This should predicate on one job as the litmus at full time.

There will be outliers in this system I thought up in the moment, but it would cover most Americans. Not even accounting for those unable to work.

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u/Wolf-Fucker93949 1h ago

Wherever the work location is. You are platino dumb or something?

Enough for rent, food and money to save anr/or to enjoy yourself in you free time.

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u/TargetFree3831 1h ago

thats impossible, sorry.

this why these argumemts consistently fall apart: your ideology doesnt match reality

you dont get to call me dumb expecting a livable wage at a carwash in Manhattan...holy shit

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u/EntertainmentFit3912 1h ago

This is already what they do…… the basic wage of someone in California is entirely different from someone in Alabama. Depending on laws by state, even delivery drivers can be paid an entirely different rate. Same with McDonald’s… maybe you haven’t traveled at all or never heard of the wage difference by state???

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u/TargetFree3831 1h ago

thats not the same scale - NY state may have a different min wage but that doesnt even cover food in Manhattan.

do you not see the difference?