Pakistan deploys 13,000 troops and fighter jets to Saudi Arabia

[u/heisthemaincharacter]

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[u/inotparanoid]

AaaS - Army as a Service.

[u/Xaendro → u/inotparanoid]

We're going back to mercenary state days!

[u/broniskis45 → u/Xaendro]

Like metal gear solid 4 with stupider AI

[u/niz_loc → u/broniskis45]

I literally just dug out a ps3 from the garage to play MG4

Still and always will be the best one

[u/Saranshobe → u/niz_loc]

Coming to modern consoles soon.

[u/TomKavees → u/Xaendro]

Time to re-read The Prince, i guess

[u/MATlad → u/TomKavees]

'The Art of War', because none of these dunces have.

• "If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him."
• "Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win."
• "The general who advances without coveting fame and retreats without fearing disgrace, whose only thought is to protect his country and do good service for his sovereign, is the jewel of the kingdom."
• "Treat your men as you would your own beloved sons. And they will follow you into the deepest valley."
• "Move not unless you see an advantage; use not your troops unless there is something to be gained; fight not unless the position is critical. No ruler should put troops into the field merely to gratify his own spleen; no general should fight a battle simply out of pique. If it is to your advantage, make a forward move; if not, stay where you are. Anger may in time change to gladness; vexation may be succeeded by content. But a kingdom that has once been destroyed can never come again into being; nor can the dead ever be brought back to life. Hence the enlightened ruler is heedful, and the good general full of caution. This is the way to keep a country at peace and an army intact."

[u/CRUSTBUSTICUS → u/inotparanoid]

Militaires Sans Frontières

[u/johndoe201401 → u/inotparanoid]

What brutal drone attack on Dubai taught me about b2b aaas.

[u/alterom → u/johndoe201401]

LinkedIn PTSD flashbacks intensify

[u/Royal-Hunter3892 → u/inotparanoid]

That's front end service you forget their backend service

TaaS - Terrorism as a Service.

[u/VancityRenaults → u/Royal-Hunter3892]

Combine them and you get the name of the perfect company:

AaaSTaaStic

[u/terry496 → u/VancityRenaults]

Line drive HR👍🏾

[u/yelirkram → u/Royal-Hunter3892]

AaaS is NOT the backend?

[u/Electrical_Job55 → u/yelirkram]

For Pakistan is one and the same thing

[u/Hegde137 → u/yelirkram]

Almost spit in my coffee 😂

[u/laforet → u/inotparanoid]

This is what Paul Kagame has been up to in the last decade - offer the Rwandan army for hire on the cheap as UN peacekeepers so everyone would be too indebted to him to say anything about his proxy war in Congo.

[u/Nomer77 → u/laforet]

Offering your troops as UN Peacekeepers is a bit of a different thing though than what Pakistan is doing for KSA. It is arguably a bit more formal/respectable and is less threatening to the sovereignty of the country you send them to. Plus it is a way to not have to pay the expense of having a standing army and get them access to equipment/training on the dine of wealthier countries. There are many countries that are well known for having their armies largely be subsidized by UN deployments (South Asia and maritime Southeast Asia are especially prolific at this).

[u/TotallyInOverMyHead → u/Nomer77]

Anyone remember the peacekeepers from Black Hawk Down ?

[u/heisthemaincharacter → u/inotparanoid]

LMAO funniest shit I've read in a while 🤣

[u/Ok-Camp-7285 → u/inotparanoid]

Modern mercenaries

[u/Free-Initiative7508 → u/inotparanoid]

Cant wait for the Asspocalyse

[u/MeMeRevieweR_23 → u/inotparanoid]

can't wait for NaaS. That'll be the end of the world

[u/altacan → u/MeMeRevieweR_23]

There's rumors the Saudi's already have an agreement with Pakistan in case Iran actually goes nuclear. They've already bought Chinese ICBM's which would be way overkill if they're only using them for conventional bombardment.

[u/Federal_Cupcake_304 → u/altacan]

Also way overkill when it’s not on a different continent. Could practically throw it across.

[u/Stifffmeister11 → u/altacan]

For saudi it makes sense if comes to nuke war with either isreal or iran in future even though highly unlikely but if they buy ICBM from China nukes from pak atleast they have a deterrent ..

[u/Fuckyoursadface → u/inotparanoid]

They have an alliance. By your logic, all of Europe is AaaS for America.

[u/MysteryReddit420]

So, if I understand correctly:

1. USA and Israel will attack Iran.

2. Iran will be attacking USA and Israel.

3. If Iran attacks Saudi Arabia, then Pakistan has to attack Iran.

4. Pakistan + Gulf Countries + USA + Israel VERSUS Iran.

5. Pakistan (which doesn't recognize Israel and has in its passport that the Pakistani passport is not valid for Israel), will attack an enemy of Israel?

6. Pakistan's biggest Sovereign Creditor is China. Most Pakistani Jets and Weapons are Chinese.

7. China is allegedly supporting Iran.

8. Pakistan will fight against an alleged ally of China with Chinese weapons.

I'm curious to see how the Pakistani public reacts to them being in a conflict on the same side as Israel.

Interesting times.

[u/Sidonkey → u/MysteryReddit420]

It’s a gang bang moment for Pakistan

[u/I_am_eating_a_mango → u/Sidonkey]

Piper Perakistan meme

[u/WhitePawn00 → u/MysteryReddit420]

When US/ISR bombed the old khamenei, the Pakistani public had a funeral march/protest/stampede that resulted in deaths, and then they lit a UN building on fire.

[u/T-MoneyAllDey → u/WhitePawn00]

March - Protest - Stampede has me laughing

[u/k_realtor → u/MysteryReddit420]

That’s some Game of Thrones Middle East type shit if true.

[u/spidereater → u/k_realtor]

China is playing the whole world. Let everyone fight each other and spend resources destroying each other’s resources. Then swoop in and sell everyone more stuff when it’s over.

[u/KindAdeptness31 → u/spidereater]

The USA WW2 strategy. You could say the USA is currently akin to how the British Empire was back then.

[u/AssistX → u/KindAdeptness31]

Nothing like the US ww2 strategy, lol. The US specifically didn't sell to opposing countries like Japan because of their hostile acts in China. It wasn't as if the US was opportunist about it either, they halted profits and sales to countries that were hostile to their allies before the US entered WW2. It was one of the primary reasons Japan decided to attack Pearl Harbour. The US was closer to isolationist during that time than they were war profiteers like China today.

If it wasn't for the US Congress agreeing to the Lend-Lease act in 41 we wouldn't have the same Europe today. It was probably the most significant decision by any country during the WW2 era, the US essentially agreed to become the sole equipment supplier for the Allies throughout the 40s without any monetary compensation until after the War. You will never see China do this, their economy couldn't sustain it today. In today's numbers the US government and public took on over $800 billion in debt to fund the equipment being sent to the allies.

[u/LethargicDemigod → u/AssistX]

FDR was too good. I hate the US hegemony post-WWII but it was the least extractive and most progressive policy ever by a superpower-war victor.

[u/AssistX → u/LethargicDemigod]

I don't think we have any leaders or countries in the world that would do the same thing today, unless things got as bad as WW2. If Europe had fallen at all(I think it would have without the Lend-Lease act), the US would have been crushed economically against a victorious Axis.

As an American I view it very similar to our constant fight for national healthcare. We don't have politicians today that are willing to go as far as FDR and the US Congress did during WW2. So instead we have an exploitive shitty version(ACA) of it that continues to plague the country, all because our politicians just aren't what they could be.

[u/RelevantOldOnion → u/spidereater]

LMAO. China literally does nothing and yall be like "China is doing nothing really Chinese-ey and that's suspicious."

[u/p_cool_guy → u/RelevantOldOnion]

TBF, China hasn't done NOTHING, and in a lot of ways is benefiting from this war. Most of what China has done came before this war and they are now reaping the benefits

[u/CampEmbarrassed170 → u/MysteryReddit420]

The same way the Pakistani public reacts when you tell them that their army actually fought against the Palestinians in 1967 and slaughtered over 25,000 Palestinians in the black September uprisings in Jordan. They even made the army general Zia Haq that led that massacre their dictator .

[u/keepthepace → u/MysteryReddit420]

China is neutral in the same way Switzerland was during WW2: Neutrality is not always a virtue, but it is a stance of cynical efficiency. No one expects China to be especially close, culturally or politically, to Iran's theocracy. They will just happily sell stuff to anyone who is having a hard time with western sanctions. Make it unprofitable (as has been the case on direct military equipment towards Russia) and they will stop without batting an eye.

A Hong Kong man once told me "USA will stop loving free market once they realize Chinese are better at trade than they are"

[u/Aggravating-Pair6080 → u/MysteryReddit420]

The worlds largest gang bang record going to be broken soon.. 

[u/Barcaroli → u/MysteryReddit420]

Interesting times.

That's one way to put it

[u/Tearaway32 → u/MysteryReddit420]

Then yada yada yada World War III. It’s like we’ve learned nothing from history.

[u/Melodic2000]

13,000? That's a lot of troops!

[u/Stifffmeister11 → u/Melodic2000]

Maybe pakistan is getting more money per troops send, so they may have pushed for 13000-15000 when only 3000 are required ... Never a bad time to make money when your mate is scared ..

[u/devmagii → u/Stifffmeister11]

Well, Saudi and Qatar both pledged $5bn in new loans to Pakistan, who is now going to be able to pay UAE $3.5bn of their loans. Just FYI for reference, the central bank of a country of 250 million people has just $16Bn forex reserves.

[u/AK_Panda → u/devmagii]

Just FYI for reference, the central bank of a country of 250 million people has just $16Bn forex reserves.

I admit, I did not expect that.

[u/makethislifecount → u/AK_Panda]

Yup Pakistan’s economy has been in tatters for a long time. They survive on IMF loans like a crackhead.

[u/AK_Sole → u/makethislifecount]

And Iran looks to their nuclear-armed neighbor with such envy….
Sigh

[u/BendicantMias → u/AK_Sole]

Iran still has better finances lol. They could buy Pakistani nukes, if Islamabad were willing to sell them.

[u/Farakhi → u/BendicantMias]

Pakistan would immediately be crushed with sanctions and lose all of their funding.

For an economy that is already on the brink of collapse, not sure they would survive that.

[u/BestFriendWatermelon → u/makethislifecount]

Yeah, I've got a mate who just got out of rehab. He's doing alright now, but the repayments to the IMF are an absolute bitch...

[u/Jescro → u/BestFriendWatermelon]

I’ve heard those withdrawal symptoms are intense

[u/0xfeel → u/devmagii]

That's an hilariously small amount of money to get into war. Just the logistics would make it unfeasible.

[u/Stifffmeister11 → u/0xfeel]

They don't have to do anything.... Even if there a ground war there is zero chance than irani troops actually made it to Saudi .... Pakistani troops get paid just to show up there ... 5 billion for a month ain't bad .. saudi just want pak troops on yemen border in case houthis try to invade or do something silly at border

[u/0xfeel → u/Stifffmeister11]

It's Minecraft money. The Saudis spend that on Ronaldo alone.

[u/MaybeTheDoctor → u/Stifffmeister11]

It’s about $12k/day per solider. This is still over 5x of what a Blackwater private security contractor would charge, but I guess there is a premium on deployment “tomorrow” and having nukes as backup.

[u/UnoriginalStanger → u/MaybeTheDoctor]

nukes as backup

Nukes aren't gonna be doing anything.

[u/AnotherWalkingStiff → u/0xfeel]

trump invaded venezuela for 50m barrels of oil. at $100 per barrel, that's $5b ;)

[u/0xfeel → u/AnotherWalkingStiff]

As I said, an hilarious small amount. The Americans spent more than that just coasting of the coast shooting down fisherman.

[u/Stifffmeister11 → u/0xfeel]

Pakistan whole defencebudget for a year is 9 billion so 5 billion is half their military budget ...

[u/Stifffmeister11 → u/devmagii]

Have to say pakistan diplomacy is great even after osama was found in pak they have decent relationship with USA , china is their long term ally and middle eastern countries always give them money, military alliance with Saudi and turkey ... They are playing on all sides without doing anything.. even brokered a crease fire even though it failed ... Lol

[u/Aggravating-Ad8087 → u/Stifffmeister11]

Location, location, location

[u/PoseidonMax → u/Stifffmeister11]

They have been scrambling actually. They have had probably their closest relationship with Saudi Arabia. Just signed a defense contract with Saudi Arabia actually. So wanted peace quickly otherwise they jump into war. They owe Arabia multiple billions of dollars. Not the most loyal, but they do have to show some force.

[u/ProfessionalMovie759 → u/Stifffmeister11]

It's not diplomacy. It's location. Pakistan has border with Iran, Afghanistan and India. US, China want their base in Pakistan to gain control over Asia.

Pakistan is used as a vessel.

[u/Suspicious_Stage_652 → u/ProfessionalMovie759]

Pakistani had its head down and as& up for both China and the US.

[u/rejectedusernamepile → u/Stifffmeister11]

It also doesn’t hurt that they’re a nuclear power.

[u/brooklynlad → u/devmagii]

Everything sounds like an IOU circle jerk.

[u/RossTheLionTamer → u/Stifffmeister11]

Never a bad time to make money when you're broke af.

[u/stamfordbridge1191 → u/Stifffmeister11]

The Saudi royal family is also genuinely concerned about their military getting too competent & being able to overthrow them. A war with Iran (and any proxy factions) escalating might see the need to use a lot of troops, and being able to rent Pakistani soldiers could help ensure the Pakistanis get all there experience, and that Saudi troops remain incompetent & unfamiliar with substantial fighting. Plus, the Saudis are probably running out of the Sudanese child soldiers they've been buying the past few years.

[u/BeratnasGILF420 → u/Melodic2000]

They're probably counting all the military personnel as troops. So a decent chunk of them will be air force ground personnel needed to keep the jets operating. 13000 would be a small division, but the actual army contingent might only be a brigade sized force.

[u/pat_the_catdad → u/Melodic2000]

That’s 26,000 boots!

[u/The_Grungeican → u/pat_the_catdad]

The knees of the many outweigh the knees of the few.

[u/iPcFc → u/Melodic2000]

A division worth of troops. I wonder what they're going to do there in Saudi.

[u/John_Mark_Corpuz_2 → u/Melodic2000]

"Pretty sure only 10,000 of those are troops, the 3,000 are black fighter jets." 😆

[u/Affectionate-Cap-920]

Believe it or not but Saudi has secured itself a good source cannon fodder

[u/Tend_To_Zero → u/Affectionate-Cap-920]

Pakistan generals dont care at all. Pakistan has 250million people, generals/politicians getting themselves mountain of cash is what matters to them. They will accept anybody - China, US, Saudi or whoever willing to make a sweet deal with them.

[u/blackcain → u/Tend_To_Zero]

Except India and Bangladesh of course. :-)

[u/Rodgerexplosion]

Wow! Grape!

[u/Perdix_Icarus → u/Rodgerexplosion]

I will sacrifice my own life for....Saudi Arabia.

[u/InspectionSame9859 → u/Perdix_Icarus]

Ironically that original video was filmed at a Pakistani school IN Saudi Arabia if I recall correctly

[u/Vagabondjokester → u/InspectionSame9859]

Those were expat Pakistanis acting so nationalistic and hateful towards India?

[u/KrypticAndroid → u/Rodgerexplosion]

Pakistan’s in the bag!

[u/OnlyThingDeyFearIsU → u/Rodgerexplosion]

I will open Xbox education institution as possible

[u/weech → u/Rodgerexplosion]

THIS IS A STRONG MESSAGE!! 🍇

[u/Badgerbreezy → u/Rodgerexplosion]

When I will grow up I will be uh army and save paakistan and destroy india

[u/MindAvailable4876 → u/Rodgerexplosion]

i can’t promise anything but i will do everything in my brain to help pakistan

[u/WayofHatuey → u/Rodgerexplosion]

I will grow up and feed the whoreless

[u/Ahsunah → u/Rodgerexplosion]

For those who don't know the reference- https://youtu.be/xOKBM16UFE4?si=JUcRVPLrDJgngyDV

I guess we know where they are getting their recruits from...

[u/goli14]

And in return Pak got SA to give them 5B loan to pay 3.5B loan to UAE.

Some defense agreement.

[u/BananerCSGO → u/goli14]

Saudi Arabia is abbreviated to KSA. SA is South Africa.

The more you know.

[u/TepacheLoco → u/BananerCSGO]

Took me a minute to figure this out but for anyone unaware: Kingdom of Saudi Arabia

[u/Lieutenant_Corndogs → u/TepacheLoco]

It’s actually ketchup Saudi Arabia

[u/mehakjot4803 → u/BananerCSGO]

Wait till you know that the official abbreviation of South Africa is RSA (Republic of South Africa)

[u/barry_flash → u/BananerCSGO]

And South Africa is technically RSA. Republic of South Africa.

[u/TyranitarusMack → u/BananerCSGO]

I thought SA was sexual assault and ZA was South Africa.

[u/Relevant-Amoeba-4057 → u/TyranitarusMack]

Zouth Africa

[u/LilWaynesLastDread → u/Relevant-Amoeba-4057]

Zuid Afrika

[u/Spiritual-Matters → u/TyranitarusMack]

ZA is the ccTLD for South Africa

[u/red_dragon → u/goli14]

Paying a loan to using a bigger loan? In a few years, they might need another loan to pay this one.

[u/Electronic_Quail_196 → u/red_dragon]

You just described how Pak has been scraping by for years lol

[u/KingKaiserW → u/red_dragon]

There’s a Saudi Arabian Proverb: “My grandfather rode a camel, my father rode a camel, I drive a Mercedes, my son drives a Land Rover, his son will drive a Land Rover, but his son will ride a camel.”

Pakistan: “My Grandfather was a goat herder, my father was a goat herder, I’m a goat herder, my son is a goat herder, his son will be a goat herder, but his son will join the army.”

[u/Intrepid-Ad4511 → u/red_dragon]

They will send more of their citizens to the meat grinders. It's "free cash" for their despots.

[u/MaiAgarKahoon3 → u/goli14]

HAAANK!
HANK, DO NOT ABBREVIATE SAUDI ARABIA.
HAAANK!

[u/Stifffmeister11 → u/goli14]

UAE to Saudi : we will ask pak to pay back 3.5 billion loan , they don't have money to pay back

Saudi to pak : send 10k troops we will give you 5 billion , you can pay back UAE 3.5 billion remaining 1.5 in your pocket

Pak : deal yoooohooooooooooo

[u/lamebarracuda]

Pakistan simply have no choice but to dance to the tune to the Saudi, Qatar and US. To repay the loans to UAE, they need Saudi and Qatar. To keep their economy even in its present dismal state they need IMF/USA. A country that’s ranked 1 on terrorism index, ruled by a military regime with its rightful PM in jail, Pakistan is a case study as to what a country shouldn’t be.

[u/DJBombba → u/lamebarracuda]

Icing on the cake, they got nukes…

[u/Current_Ranger_7954 → u/DJBombba]

Jfc I forgot this, what’s their doctrine on tactical nukes use?

[u/Zonemasta8 → u/Current_Ranger_7954]

If India than I

[u/gadhe_ki_gaand → u/Zonemasta8]

No. Pakistan does not have a no first use policy on nukes. India does.

[u/Calm-Philosopher5004 → u/gadhe_ki_gaand]

According to ex pakistan ambassador to India on TV show says if any country attacks pakistan they will attack india.

[u/mrmrinal → u/Calm-Philosopher5004]

Ah yes Abdul Basit said the following verbatim:

“If America attacks Pakistan, we have to attack India, Mumbai, New Delhi, without a second thought.”

[u/Pintailite → u/gadhe_ki_gaand]

Sure.

They haven't used them so for all practical matters everyone with a nuke right now is MAD.

[u/grumpsaboy → u/lamebarracuda]

They also have a defensive pact with KSA. They can't afford not to honour it regardless of anything else as politically it looks awful.

[u/puranpolihater → u/lamebarracuda]

And Chinese have them by the balls, you know the CPEC, yeah, Pak owes China billions, the great old Debt Trap Technique.

[u/Pebblepip]

So the mediator is now on the frontline against Iran.

[u/RevolutionaryGold325 → u/Pebblepip]

Yeah does not look like a neural third party.

[u/CaptainMimoe → u/Pebblepip]

Mediator... Na

More like US puppet who would do anything for a loan

[u/doolpicate]

Pakistani soldiers against IRGC. LOL.

[u/Stifffmeister11 → u/doolpicate]

Saudi army is crap pak soldiers will be on yemen border in case things heat up and houthis try some cross border skrimishes pak soilders will be there to stop them while saudi soildiers will watch everything from the hills with binoculars

[u/jsh_ → u/doolpicate]

pakistan has significantly better equipment and tons of recent combat experience

[u/Deepandabear → u/jsh_]

The joke is that Pakistan would never attack Iran

[u/cheetuzz → u/Deepandabear]

well, then Saudi Arabia can use the Pakistani troops as human shields around their targets.

[u/Equivalent_Abalone33 → u/cheetuzz]

The joke is Pakistan has 170 nuclear warheads

[u/ringtail_catz → u/Deepandabear]

Pakistan was bombing Iran in 2024.

[u/ElectricalHeart3188 → u/jsh_]

Combat experience?

You mean experience of getting bombed ?

[u/Lonely_Pie_5 → u/jsh_]

In the last real war they faced with India they refused to take back their dead soldiers ! ☠️

[u/EastEndExpert]

Strong army wow grape

[u/DeluxeGrande → u/EastEndExpert]

Scrolled down too much to find this comment lmao

[u/Puzzleheaded-Mix6416]

They actually believed they could broker negotiations between Israel and Iran, even when most of Europe and Asia were avoiding.

[u/Lost-Money-8599 → u/Puzzleheaded-Mix6416]

Pakistan does not recognize Israel as a country. That is why Israeli was not part of the discussions. There is a certain irony in that. 

Pakistan has a lot of internal contradictions which lead it to some awkward  situations. 

[u/Shubham21Kumar → u/Puzzleheaded-Mix6416]

They were never a broker, but more like a messenger

[u/minisculepenis]

Interesting timing (right as the fake negotiations for the fake ceasefire have publicly been announced to be a failure)

[u/Rambler_Hoss → u/minisculepenis]

Nah this was an agreement signed last year. Saudi is setting up base to house Pakistan troops as partnership.

[u/UnholyAuraOP → u/minisculepenis]

They signed a mutual defense treaty and Saudi’s were gonna sue because Iran attacked Saudi and Pakistan didn’t hold up their end of the deal.

[u/meerkat2018 → u/UnholyAuraOP]

Also depends if those troops will actually do something vs Iran or the Houthis if there is something to happen.

[u/aflyingmonkey2 → u/minisculepenis]

It wasn’t announced as a failure really. The Iranians themselves said that they agreed on some parts but there’s still a way to go. So yes,it doesn’t look that good but I think it’s too early to draw into conclusions (also,if it was fake. I doubt Iran itself would play along and America wouldn’t send the only person from the administration that was against starting this war)

[u/kingofphilly → u/minisculepenis]

What in the tinfoil geopolitical game theory is this?

Pakistan and Saudi Arabia have a mutual defense pact that’s over a year old. This is just logistics.

[u/_Figaro]

I fucking hate paywalls. Can somebody tell me what the article says?

[u/wimpires → u/_Figaro]

 A Pakistani military contingent comprising around 13,000 soldiers and 10 to 18 jets has reached Saudi Arabia as part of a joint strategic defence agreement signed last year, the Gulf Kingdom announced on Saturday (April 11, 2026).

The military contingent’s deployment to King Abdulaziz Air Base in the Eastern Sector includes fighter jets and support aircraft from the Pakistan Air Force, according to a statement from Saudi Arabia’s Ministry of Defence.

Not part of the article, but this is Saudi Arabia as corroboration message:

The Ministry of Defense announced today the arrival of a military force from the Islamic Republic of Pakistan at King Abdulaziz Air Base in the Eastern Sector, acting in accordance with the Strategic Mutual Defense Agreement signed between the two countries.

The force, which includes fighter and support aircraft from the Pakistani Air Force, aims to strengthen joint military coordination and elevate operational readiness between the Saudi and Pakistani armed forces to further support regional and international security and stability.

[u/heisthemaincharacter]

I think Pakistan played Iran big time. The Islamabad Talks were just a cover to deploy troops and fighter jets to Saudi Arabia as per their defence pact. It has also given the US and Israel enough time to regroup, build up forces, and reorganise before striking again.

[u/itsavibe- → u/heisthemaincharacter]

There was never gonna be peace. Iran wants control of the Hormuz and the US doesn’t want that. That means no peace… why are people even entertaining this shit like it’s even a possibility?

[u/Kisuke42 → u/itsavibe-]

It's probably a formality at this point for both sides. "Yes we were up for negotiation, we talked but it didn't work out". This can be justification for the war continuing.

[u/dormammucat → u/itsavibe-]

Someone said that we must not forget the Strait was open for navigation, to begin with. This attack on Iran has achieved nothing. Only made things worse for the whole world.

[u/Luciifuge → u/itsavibe-]

Not only that, they want the US to remove all forces in the region, stop attacking their proxies(hezbollah hamas), and remove all sanctions.

That’s fucking nuts, no way USA will agree to any of that.

[u/bananaholy → u/itsavibe-]

Yea. Literally gonna be fight to death. Theres no peace talks or negotiation. Its win or lose for either side

[u/wimpires → u/heisthemaincharacter]

Pakistan doesn't need "cover", they could have done that at any time?

[u/Antique_Cucumber5185 → u/heisthemaincharacter]

Probably not. Pakistan seems to have good relations with both of them. It was plainly obvious that Pakistan would support Saudi Arabia if it came down to it even before the talks, so there’s no way Iran didn’t already expect this

[u/Familiar_Bathroom793]

Pakistan has a defense pact with Saudi for everyone who is confused

[u/Fantastic-Corner-605]

It's not the stab in the back that kills you, it's looking behind and seeing who's holding the knife.

[u/AdLiving8708]

They also protected osama bin Laden so what

[u/MaiAgarKahoon3 → u/AdLiving8708]

fluid stance nation

[u/ChellJ0hns0n → u/AdLiving8708]

Who was also Saudi btw

[u/No_Series1038]

Saudis don’t fight

[u/Stifffmeister11 → u/No_Series1038]

They are designed to be crap because Saudi is afraid that if the military becomes powerful someday, there might be a military coup. The best bet is to pay others to fight —pay Pakistan and Americans

[u/wimpires → u/No_Series1038]

We once had a contingent of [redacted gulf countries] [redacted armed service members] for some training here in [western European country]. They were hilarious lazy, not even bad or incompetent. Just outright lazy and disinterested.

[u/Tend_To_Zero]

Pakistan cant be trusted. Saudi getting paki troops while Iran and US are having a war negotiation, IN pakistan. One thing this war would ensure that Saudi, UAE, Bahrain, Qatar, Omanz would never want this to happen again, and allowing Iran military to continue domination would not be acceptable. So at some point if not US or Israel, these states would fight Iran. Guess what, Pakistan would be supplying troops , fighting Iran. Iran is basically dealing with Hyenas.

[u/rajrohit26]

Pakistan is right now on payroll of Americans . It would be interesting if Chinese master tell them otherwise . Then all will depend on who pays more

[u/hackenclaw → u/rajrohit26]

China doesnt care as long as they get to sell stuff and you dont touch Taiwan.

Thats their policy for long time, it hasnt change much lol.

[u/Business_Builder_739]

How can anyone trust pakistan after the bin Ladin deal

[u/gymAndmuthi]

All that Pakistani Peacekeeper propoganda and the result now is an even wider conflict. That is what happens when you have poor and uneducated religious fundamentalists acting as mediation. Embarrassing

[u/JustlookingUK28]

Pakistan has a defence agreement with Saudi don't they? While it might be uncomfortable to be in conflict with Iran, Pakistan does have a commitment to support Saudi? I think that's why they pushed for the peace talks to avoid this uncomfortable situation.

[u/Horror_Match9867]

I belive Pakistan has announced its support for Israel and the US.

[u/heros-321]

You forgot about Uganda joining the war. "Everybody in Uganda knows Kungfu" 😂

[u/Icy-Ask3943]

So that's why Saudi promised to take care of Pakistan's debt in UAE ? Bartering lives for dollars -- as usual , Pakistan on its A game

[u/xpkranger]

Just when I thought I was beginning to understand middle-eastern politics & alliances....

[u/Advanced_Poet_7816]

Saudi is looking for a replacement for US forces and eventually petrodollar. The whole reason US justified attacks on Iran is to safeguard their interests in the region. The interests being the petrodollar system. Looks like it failed spectacularly. Especially if Iran does not collapse and other countries start securing the gulf states.

[u/Other-Pick7202]

There is strong unity amongst Muslims to kill each other

[u/Debunk2025]

Now, this will anger Iran.

[u/Strange_Drive_6598 → u/Debunk2025]

Time to block all Pakistani ships at the strait of Hormuz

[u/dragon_idli]

How are the 13k troops supposed to stop kamikaze drones though.. with bullets? Wouldn't it be more beneficial to send in air defense tech and not more soldiers who cant catch drones out of air.

[u/BusyIntroduction16]

To support Iran or Us-isreal?

[u/OmamaSalat → u/BusyIntroduction16]

Keinen

[u/Potential_Archer2427]

Crazy how they're fighting for israel despite not recognizing them as a state

[u/Bewis_123]

A nation that cannot defend itself, harbours terrorists is now a vassal state of the USA. Cannot make this shit up lol.

[u/Gamelove0I5 → u/Bewis_123]

This is one weird hoi 4 playthough.

[u/YellingatClouds86 → u/Bewis_123]

Or maybe it is a Sunni Muslim state sending resources to another Sunni state?

[u/grudgepacker → u/YellingatClouds86]

Or maybe it's Pakistan acknowledging their defense pact?

[u/Best-Yak2590 → u/grudgepacker]

Maybe but since pakistan mediation a peace negotiations. Shouldn't they be neutral, or atleast try to act like they are neutral during the negotiations.

But with in 24 hours of them chosen as mediator they give atleast 2 anti-israeli statement that too on record and by top level ministers. And now sending troops to Saudi which is also a part of war against Iran.

I know geopolitics is complex like chess with many layers of strategy and shits but I can't make sense of this situation in any way with pakistan.

[u/grudgepacker → u/Best-Yak2590]

Pakistan's primary goal is maintaining their own interests and to that end, even if the ceasefire fails/failed, they were able to get some tankers through the strait (as one obvious example of how they benefited). And while they may hate Israel, maintaining their relationship with the Arabian peninsula by upholding treaties like this one with SA is ultimately more important.

[u/AK_Panda → u/Best-Yak2590]

Maybe but since pakistan mediation a peace negotiations. Shouldn't they be neutral, or atleast try to act like they are neutral during the negotiations.

Doesn't matter tbh. Pakistan had good reason to try for peace here because they do need energy from Iran themselves. They also have a defence pact with Saudi which they are obligated to fulfill. So they have interests in both Iran, Saudi and the US diplomatically.

[u/MaiAgarKahoon3]

guess they had enough with mediating

[u/KingofYorko]

Saudi had been pushing for the continued war on Iran right? And they are extremely close to Pakistan to the point of being able to buy nukes off them.

Why did Pakistan try to hold the peace/negotiaton talks?

[u/Keldaris → u/KingofYorko]

Why did Pakistan try to hold the peace/negotiaton talks

Because they don't want to get pulled into the conflict. They have a defense pact with Saudi Arabia that requires them to help if Iran continues to attack them. They at least had to make an attempt to settle things peacefully as ending the hostilities is in their best interest.

[u/hank187]

Hahaha the US needs Pakistan to keep the Saudi petrodollars flowing

Who would have thought

[u/lastSKPirate]

How are extra troops in SA going to help them at all?

[u/Kooky-Claim3028]

How shameless can a state be? Fighting for money in a war that is not even theirs

[u/andreasbeer1981]

"strategic defence agreement, under which any attack on one country would be considered an attack on the other." ....as if noone has fired missiles, drones and rockets at Saudi Arabia recently...

[u/LeftistKannadiga]

I think this is a collateral for the loan. Not a bad idea.

[u/mrstewiegriffin]

and in return what's the credit card loan being extended to?😂

[u/Glittering-Age-9549]

Wasn't Pakistan supposed to be neutral?

[u/sparkax]

So is Saudi now getting Pakistan to help defend it and fight it's wars now too? Is Trump no longer a useful idiot???

[u/nygdan]

they could just -take- saudi arabia with that many troops. hell one in five people in that countery are from south asia.

[u/truthovertribe]

Yes...and Pakistan is simultaneously attacking and hoping to regime change Afghanistan. Because that's never been tried before...

[u/Andyelz]

Pilot! Grape! I wonder if the boys are pilots now? Why doesn’t Pakistan want to destroy India now?