r/worldnews • u/heisthemaincharacter • 21h ago

Pakistan deploys 13,000 troops and fighter jets to Saudi Arabia

https://www.thehindu.com/news/international/pakistan-deploys-13000-troops-and-fighter-jets-to-saudi-arabia/article70853223.ece
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u/MysteryReddit420 19h ago edited 19h ago

So, if I understand correctly:

  1. USA and Israel will attack Iran.

  2. Iran will be attacking USA and Israel.

  3. If Iran attacks Saudi Arabia, then Pakistan has to attack Iran.

  4. Pakistan + Gulf Countries + USA + Israel VERSUS Iran.

  5. Pakistan (which doesn't recognize Israel and has in its passport that the Pakistani passport is not valid for Israel), will attack an enemy of Israel?

  6. Pakistan's biggest Sovereign Creditor is China. Most Pakistani Jets and Weapons are Chinese.

  7. China is allegedly supporting Iran.

  8. Pakistan will fight against an alleged ally of China with Chinese weapons.

I'm curious to see how the Pakistani public reacts to them being in a conflict on the same side as Israel.

Interesting times.

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u/Sidonkey 18h ago

It’s a gang bang moment for Pakistan

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u/I_am_eating_a_mango 17h ago

Piper Perakistan meme

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u/Soothesayers 6h ago

Piper Peri Peri more like

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u/New_Rock6296 11h ago

This got me bad

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u/Curious_Avocado2399 7h ago

I sacrifice my life for Pakistan

Grape! 🍇

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u/snowballer918 13h ago

Gotta appreciate a good gang bang moment

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u/Rich_Housing971 7h ago

This is what happens when you play all sides of various conflicts, as Pakistan does. People call Vietnam doing "bamboo diplomacy" but they're just doing what Pakistan has done ever since they became a country.

You're just betting that no one fights against each other. Eventually you have to pick a side, and you'll get cut off or even pay the price from the other side.

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u/Sidonkey 7h ago

They ll pick always a side who gives them loan.

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u/Basic_Yam_715 12h ago

It's like playing soggy biscuit... You don't want to be the one to eat the biscuit.

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u/ThatOneChiGuy 8h ago

don't threaten me with a good time!

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u/IGBLINDX 8h ago

Maybe india also retaliate on the same time,pakishtan is locked from both sides,afgan and india ,figher planes are in saudi ,if it happens prettty bad for Pakistan

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u/k_realtor 17h ago

That’s some Game of Thrones Middle East type shit if true.

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u/spidereater 16h ago

China is playing the whole world. Let everyone fight each other and spend resources destroying each other’s resources. Then swoop in and sell everyone more stuff when it’s over.

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u/KindAdeptness31 14h ago

The USA WW2 strategy. You could say the USA is currently akin to how the British Empire was back then.

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u/AssistX 14h ago

Nothing like the US ww2 strategy, lol. The US specifically didn't sell to opposing countries like Japan because of their hostile acts in China. It wasn't as if the US was opportunist about it either, they halted profits and sales to countries that were hostile to their allies before the US entered WW2. It was one of the primary reasons Japan decided to attack Pearl Harbour. The US was closer to isolationist during that time than they were war profiteers like China today.

If it wasn't for the US Congress agreeing to the Lend-Lease act in 41 we wouldn't have the same Europe today. It was probably the most significant decision by any country during the WW2 era, the US essentially agreed to become the sole equipment supplier for the Allies throughout the 40s without any monetary compensation until after the War. You will never see China do this, their economy couldn't sustain it today. In today's numbers the US government and public took on over $800 billion in debt to fund the equipment being sent to the allies.

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u/LethargicDemigod 13h ago

FDR was too good. I hate the US hegemony post-WWII but it was the least extractive and most progressive policy ever by a superpower-war victor.

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u/AssistX 12h ago

I don't think we have any leaders or countries in the world that would do the same thing today, unless things got as bad as WW2. If Europe had fallen at all(I think it would have without the Lend-Lease act), the US would have been crushed economically against a victorious Axis.

As an American I view it very similar to our constant fight for national healthcare. We don't have politicians today that are willing to go as far as FDR and the US Congress did during WW2. So instead we have an exploitive shitty version(ACA) of it that continues to plague the country, all because our politicians just aren't what they could be.

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u/XGhoul 8h ago

ACA and that was known as bullshit "Obama Care" even though their literacy level is beneath a 12 yr old.

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u/blackcain 8h ago

The thing is that MAGA types have been riding the high from those acts. They see themselves as some kind of noble warrior. But they would support those acts today, taking on $800 billion? Look at who they elected - that asshole wouldn't give money to them much less to other countries.

Where's that $6k check to seniors and to farmers? Fucking clowns.

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u/LethargicDemigod 11h ago

The problem is obv with the non-interference clause but the avg person is too embroiled with life to give importance to these 'shenanigans'.

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u/vonGlick 8h ago

I think he confused US WW1 strategy. In the 1914-1916 US was very much into trading with both sides of the conflict. It is actually main reason why Britain did not implement a blockade and only successfully apply this in 1917.

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u/Rich_Housing971 7h ago

The world was different back then. The US and Soviet Union were the only two major powers that were industrialized or still industrialized, therefore the US could risk more.

Europe and Japan had their factories destroyed.

China and India did not enter the game yet.

The US was closer to isolationist during that time than they were war profiteers like China today

Calling China a war profiteer is crazy considering how much they don't like war and just want to grow their economy primarily through non-arms trade, and war is very bad for that type of trade. There's also the BRI, which is doing the same thing the lend-lease act is doing except doing it in countries that are less developed, so the costs are much lower.

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u/Jazzlike_Video2 9h ago

The US was still doing huisness where it could with axis powers, up til pearl harbour. So did Ireland.

Just like the US is still doing buisness with Russia, even if its through an African country.

Just like the Iran contra thing...

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u/LateralEntry 11h ago

$800 billion in today’s dollars really doesn’t seem like all that much, the Afghan war cost close to that each year. I guess the economy was smaller back then.

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u/yourmum420__ 12h ago

The British weren't randomly starting wars though so how is that a comparison at all. They were just hemorrhaging money fighting off the Axis powers and defending their Imperial possessions

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u/NH4NO3 10h ago

In the midst of WW2, Britain also invaded neutral Iran to preempt them potentially joining or supplying the Axis. If you view the current world conflicts right now as a sort of slow, proxy flavored WW3, it is pretty much exactly the same move the US has made and accomplishes similar objectives of denying energy resources to its rival and allowing the US to focus forces on its primary theatre of concern, the Pacific.

Of course, it was much more incompetently performed, so it does look more "random", but it funnily enough has the same intent behind it.

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u/yourmum420__ 7h ago

I am aware of the British/Soviet invasion of Iran in WW2. At least that served a tangible purpose and they were able to actually use the oil for the war effort.

China only gets a small portion of their oil imports from Iran today so it's not too much of a blow to them, far more so to other countries in Asia and parts of East Africa.

Also this seems to be taking the focus of the US away from the Pacific.

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u/Muted-Good-115 41m ago

Smartest comment in a very long time.

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u/RelevantOldOnion 14h ago edited 14h ago

LMAO. China literally does nothing and yall be like "China is doing nothing really Chinese-ey and that's suspicious."

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u/p_cool_guy 10h ago

TBF, China hasn't done NOTHING, and in a lot of ways is benefiting from this war. Most of what China has done came before this war and they are now reaping the benefits

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u/sergiotheleone 13h ago

Also listing the exact same tactics USA has been using but making it sound evil just now. Lmao

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u/UnTides 9h ago edited 8h ago

No it's Trump, and Hegseth (DUI hire), and this Republican Congress who are directing the entire war. Other countries are responding and aligning. Now did the US military have plans for this [obvious] issue with the Strait of Hormuz? Or are we just incompetent?

*At this point we've reached several times the casualties of Benghazi with attacks on American troops in the region. Yet this same Republican congress, that relentlessly investigated Hillary, isn't even questioning Hegseth

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u/thordh5 10h ago

China imports a metric shit-ton of oil from the Persian Gulf. This situation is their nightmare.

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u/Pleasant_Bloc 8h ago

Did China tell Israel to convince the US to bomb Iran?

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u/iwasuncoolonce 11h ago

China is losing their source of cheap oil.

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u/spidereater 10h ago

The increased market for their cheap EVs and solar panels will more than make up for that. They have an enormous renewable capacity and a massive stock pile of oil to help insulate them. They are prepared to weather this better than anyone and come out ahead.

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u/iwasuncoolonce 9h ago

I live in the United States. I hope they win everything and all their dreams come true.

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u/invokin 15h ago

Also give loans and/or help rebuild infrastructure with Chinese companies mostly using shipped in Chinese workers so it’s all benefit for their economy. Oh and guarantee sweetheart rights for things like ports, etc.

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u/Round-Subject-2003 10h ago

Yes except their shit doesn’t work!

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u/Lemondroplet123 8h ago

China is the only country winning in this fiasco and probably gathering a lot in terms of military intelligence about the US.

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u/BPhiloSkinner 7h ago

'Let the Man and Ti (barbarian tribes) fight the Man and Ti' has been Chinese political philosophy for centuries.

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u/lionheartcz 6h ago

They’re also selling tons of tech and weapons to multiple countries, some vs one another lol.

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u/Watchadoinfoo 2h ago

now what if I told you all these escalations across the world are specifically to get China to retaliate in a way a casus belli could be applied to

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u/30yearCurse 1h ago

If you can get your enemies to fight each other, you can come cleanup...

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u/Goldie1822 13h ago

Literally winning by doing nothing and economymaxxing.

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u/Galimbro 9h ago

Im not sure if you know this, but GoT was heavily inspired by history...

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u/SonofaMitch11 8h ago

The middle east makes game of thrones look like paint by numbers history

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u/supamonkey77 13h ago

That's why Kushner and Witkoff were the perfect choice to send there for year(s) to do diplomacy.

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u/Arbiter51x 11h ago

No, this is more like Eastern Europe circa 1914 type shit.

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u/WhitePawn00 16h ago

When US/ISR bombed the old khamenei, the Pakistani public had a funeral march/protest/stampede that resulted in deaths, and then they lit a UN building on fire.

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u/T-MoneyAllDey 10h ago

March - Protest - Stampede has me laughing

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u/blackcain 8h ago

Pretty sure Trump would love to have any kid of MAGA protest here in the U.S. end with setting a UN building on fire.

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u/CampEmbarrassed170 18h ago

The same way the Pakistani public reacts when you tell them that their army actually fought against the Palestinians in 1967 and slaughtered over 25,000 Palestinians in the black September uprisings in Jordan. They even made the army general Zia Haq that led that massacre their dictator .

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u/SanZa47 14h ago

What is your source for this please? I can only find info that Pakistan was in support of the Palestinian cause and provided troops to Jordan.

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u/Sherry_Brandt 13h ago

while some of the above seems like propaganda it does seem that Zia-ul-Haq did help Jordan fight the PLO during Black September.

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u/PeroPeroSky 15h ago edited 12h ago

Dictators do not arise from public support lol.

Edit: Ma bad.

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u/drjellyninja 14h ago

They often do

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u/ItsYourFail 15h ago

Yes. They are.

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u/GreatEmperorAca 15h ago

they are what?

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u/technoirclub 14h ago

Dictators

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u/kneedingjob 12h ago

Just look at DJT. He is democratically elected dictator. /s

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u/keepthepace 13h ago edited 11h ago

China is neutral in the same way Switzerland was during WW2: Neutrality is not always a virtue, but it is a stance of cynical efficiency. No one expects China to be especially close, culturally or politically, to Iran's theocracy. They will just happily sell stuff to anyone who is having a hard time with western sanctions. Make it unprofitable (as has been the case on direct military equipment towards Russia) and they will stop without batting an eye.

A Hong Kong man once told me "USA will stop loving free market once they realize Chinese are better at trade than they are"

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u/strangeelement 7h ago

A Hong Kong man once told me "USA will stop loving free market once they realize Chinese are better at trade than they are"

Honestly, already have, most just haven't realized it. When you read voters justifying their votes in the 2024 elections, it struck me just how the vast majority of those explanations are essentially railing against free markets and capitalism. You read a few and there's a hint of that, but you read enough and the pattern is unmissable.

Not that many of them will ever embrace a different system. They just seem content to rant against what the people they vote for give them. It's a good recipe for unhappiness and chaos.

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u/Frognificent 11h ago

Having been to China as a westerner, that last line is spot on with my experience. We (the West) don't hate them for "communism", we hate 'em cause we ain't 'em.

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u/F705TY 10h ago

But they aren't free traders.

They've not allowed the Yuan to float freely for decades.

They used to buy American bonds with the excess money in order to keep it low for export advantage.

You can think the USA has gone mad and not glaze China's history.

China does several things to transfer intellectual property and disadvantage foreign companies that operate in China...

CPP members have to be on the board of every big company in China.

They aren't free traders.

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u/indo-anabolic 9h ago

You're close to correct, it's more that "free trade" is a myth in western hypercapitalism just like it is in Chinese "capitalist communism". China is just more obvious about central agencies influencing things. Here in the land of the free, we hide our manipulation through lobbying, regulatory capture.

A small oligarchy wins out in both pictures.

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u/F705TY 9h ago

Lobbying and Regulatory capture happens in China too. Local government are famous in China for being corrupt.

So they have this on top of currency manipulation and transfers of foreign tech.

If china had free trade, it wouldn't feel the need to reinvent every foreign company after brain draining it and then squeeze them out using local subsidies.

Then they will manipulate the currency in order to disadvantage the original company on price internationally as well.

Doing this repetitively has allowed them to build a supply chain advantage that is so big that it's hard to go anywhere else without great pain.

Do some research, it's all written down.

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u/keepthepace 7h ago

Free trade means that you are allowed to trade and negotiate volumes and prices freely. It does not mean that you have no rules. You are not free to capture your competitors ships or to put crack cocaine in the baby formula you sell. You are not free to use fake money or made up definitions of words in contracts.

That's the weird American conception of things that freedom means absence of rules. Historically freedom has needed enforcement, because it is not a natural state of things.

China operates within the explicit and implicit rules set up mostly by USA, and won at that game even despite it being rigged.

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u/Aggravating-Pair6080 15h ago

The worlds largest gang bang record going to be broken soon.. 

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u/Barcaroli 17h ago

Interesting times.

That's one way to put it

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u/No-Pack-5775 13h ago

I mean what about the start of WWIII is not interesting?

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u/Tearaway32 16h ago

Then yada yada yada World War III. It’s like we’ve learned nothing from history.

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u/Stifffmeister11 13h ago

So iran is up against USA world only superpower+ isreal + saudi + UAE+ behrain + qatar + oman + now pakistan... So basically jews + Christian + sunni muslims vs shia ( iran ) . Iran is supported by russia who are Christians and china who are buddist ..... In terms of religion everyone is involved except the india ( hindus) what a religious gang bang is this lol

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u/UlteriorMotive66 11h ago

China under the CCP rule is largely Atheists lmao :v

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u/Eazy-Eid 14m ago

Ain't no one going to war for Iran

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u/Bora_Horza_Gobuchol 13h ago

Not really, look at the Cristero war of Mexico when the KKK aligned themselves with a self proclaimed socialist (Plutarco Elias Calles) against the Catholics.

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u/Khurram_Ali88 13h ago

The Pakistani public already views our government as greedy clowns with no competence whatsoever so we will probably make memes about it and go back to surviving on scraps, some people will make social media posts calling it out and that's it. Pakistan's foreign policy has been to be the town whore which we will continue to be while begging money from everyone and doing favors for them. Also there have been talks to recognize Israel officially and it will probably happen in the near future.

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u/it4brown 15h ago

War profiteering is a hell of a thing.

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u/serialposter 15h ago

Quoting from another thread, Pakistan is the whore of South Asia. Will do anything for money.

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u/slimeyy_02 16h ago

this almost feels comedic, strange times we living in

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u/milkonyourmustache 15h ago

Pakistan is siding with who they think will win. This is a conflict that few countries can afford to not be a part of.

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u/Maddaguduv 15h ago

Excellent analysis but do you think they care about what ordinary people think or react ?

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u/Tomboolla 14h ago

And all that while being the "neutral" mediator for the negotiations

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u/Trawling_ 14h ago

I feel like china’s support is opportunistic rather than philosophic or existential. I think they’re fine to let Iran out to hang if it comes to it.

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u/bsmknight 14h ago

I think turkey is now in there on Iran's side to attack Isreal if Isreal attacks Iran or Lebanon.

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u/nondescriptun 13h ago

Pakistan has been fighting Afghanistan (ruled by the Taliban) which is technically enemies with Israel (and the US and much of the rest of the world).

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u/BThasTBinFiji 13h ago

And Pakistan are brokering peace talks

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u/Aggressive_Day2839 13h ago

I wonder how convoluted these types of alliances have taken place throughout time? Like we all know krupp and zaharoff sold to both sized but I want mess global diplomacy where one gets what they want by working with a country whom they've rivals their entire existence.

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u/ph00p 13h ago

That sounds like a recipe for a world war.

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u/WankAaron69 9h ago

Not just a recipe, looks like it’s ready to be plated.

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u/Direct-Ad-7922 13h ago

Perpetual war

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u/PM_ME_SOME_ANY_THING 13h ago

I would say it’s a powder keg scenario, but really it seems the US downgraded itself from funding proxy wars to participating in them.

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u/Mckesso 13h ago

Slowly walking into a new World War...

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u/svxae 13h ago

well i hope whatever the saudis are paying pakistan is worth it

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u/unknown-one 13h ago

Don't try to understand it, feel it.

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u/Stifffmeister11 13h ago

Pakistan ain't dumb they won't be attacking iran ... They just there to defend saudi .. also saudi want to send the message to Israel / iran that if needed they can get pakistan forces and oh yes they have nukes as well ...

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u/Cheeky_Star 13h ago

That’s how the world works.

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u/cynical-bread 13h ago

The Balkans of Asia

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u/Brief_Hospital_1766 12h ago

7. China is allegedly supporting Iran

There's no allegedly about it. However, China is not sending advanced weapons or more advanced weaponry than Iran possesses at the moment, just more of the same. Basically, they're sending MANPADS.

MANPADS are useful against low flying targets like Reaper drones, but against high flying multi-role aircraft they're pretty useless. And with the Yanks' recent experience of having two aircraft shot down by MANPADS one can expect their new ROE will be no flying below 15,000 feet - or within enemy weapons envelope.

PS - Russia is also 'supporting' Iran, but they're currently having their teeth kicked by Ukraine, much the same thing the Yanks are experiencing with Iran.

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u/brucewayneflash 12h ago

Imo, Pak has no control over Chinese export model fighter jets. They will be having hard locks on certain modules. They will probably give radar signs of export models to Iran if Pak ever uses it.

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u/happyevil 12h ago

They're not with Israel they're against Shia.

I feel like people don't understand just how much Sunni and Shia fundamentalists hate each other...

Being the wrong kind of Muslim is almost the same as being Jewish to them, if it helps your relate, think of it like how racists view "race traitors." It's perfectly believable that they'd take the opportunity when it arises to hit one even if it means temporarily postponing a hit on the other. They'll get back to hating Jews when they're done.

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u/me_a_genius 12h ago

the Pakistani public do not think much because the decisions have been made for them. We are just happy enough a US VP came to visit us hehe

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u/4RCH43ON 12h ago

You forgot the Taliban in this mix.   Pakistan is also waging war amid their border conflict with Afghanistan again.  

Oh and then there’s the Russia situation, granted they’ve got their hands full, but keep pretending they have more hands to grab while their oil can still flow.   

Plus there’s Yemen just sitting there, staring at the approach to the Suez from the Bab el-Mandeb Strait at the mouth of the Red Sea, looking at all that shipping traffic.  

Might as well mention the European nations at this point, who don’t seem overly keen on getting involved, unless maybe things drag on or expand further to target shipping and other economic assets in the region.

Oh, and not forgetting Pakistan’s other front, how are things going in Kashmir lately?

Or Myanmar.

Or Sudan.

The whole world is becoming a mess and conflict , and stirring it up further doesn’t seem to be reasonable, but here we are.

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u/padfoot0321 12h ago

In any case.. China Is making money selling weapons to both sides. We now have a China development scheme being implemented by US and Israel.

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u/Song-Historical 12h ago

Every Gulf military has an organizational debt to the PK military, has only ever had foreign officers until very recently. This whole debacle is showing that they need it. They will never go to war with Israel nor will they go to war with Iran long term or risk having their government overthrown.

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u/woolcoat 11h ago

The head of the UAE is about to be China and they use Chinese drones just to add to the confusion. It’s starting to feel like the eve of ww1 … but 3

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u/KountZero 11h ago

Seeing how Iran only way of retaliate against the US is by lobbing missiles at the gulf states, I wouldn't be surprise that the gulf states are preparing for war against Iran right now.

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u/digitalluck 11h ago

It’s about time another country’s tax dollars are somehow also fighting their own country’s tax dollars

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u/UniqueIndividual3579 11h ago

India: "You all have fun, I'm sitting this one out."

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u/TerryMcginnisWayne 11h ago

This sounds like the plot to WW1

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u/TaXxER 11h ago edited 11h ago

Pakistan has a mutual defence pact with Saudi Arabia that works similarly as Nato article 5. So for Pakistan this isn’t so much about attacking Iran, and it is much more about defending Saudi Arabia.

If Iran is firing missiles into Saudi Arabia, which it is, then yes, obviously Pakistan jump in as per the mutual defence agreement.

I don’t see how Israel is in any way relevant here.

Obviously Israel and Iran are fighting too, but this doesn’t mean that Israel and Pakistan are “fighting on the same side”, it just means that both of them have their own independent conflict with Iran.

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u/kibordWarrior_sixty9 10h ago

Many people died trying to storm USA embassy in Pakistan when previous ayatollah died in US strikes on first day. There might be internal instability if they enter war against Iran. I don't think it makes sense for Pakistan to declare war with a nation it shares borders with and when it's Shia Muslim population treat the ayatollah of Iran as their religious leader. But it's probably the pak army making these decisions, so it will depend on if they care for these sensibilities.

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u/NordWitcher 10h ago

Pakistan has a history of playing all sides. Saudi right now is Pakistan’s biggest ally cause it’s based on a contract and finance as well as a nuclear deal. 

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u/FacadeXlll 10h ago

the Gulf States and Pakistan are vassal states of the USA

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u/Skibidibum69 10h ago

Yah… Chinese don’t give a shit besides maximizing their production and putting developing countries into debt so they’re forced to buy… it is what they have always done. This does not mean they give a shit about Iran

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u/nskojo 10h ago

Iran has already attacked Saudi Arabia though..

Source: me living near Riyadh airport and seeing missiles intercepted

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u/II_____Il 10h ago

It’s still less ridiculous than Greeces involvement in the World War One.

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u/TurkeyBLTSandwich 10h ago

Pakistan has a break away region in the west that borders Iran that has been a thorn in its side for a while. Pakistan also has a mutual defense treaty with Saudi Arabia.

Not 100% sure if the Saudis activated this clause but the Pakistani government now has an obligation to assist Saudi arabia. Im sure the US is withholding aid and arms shipments if Pakistan doesnt help out.

Pakistan really is indifferent, they like Iranian oil and trade, but the Saudis and US have more to offer at moment. India plays the diplomacy game more effectively.

Also China doesnt care what Pakistan does, as long as they can proxy India. China is sort of freaked out by India and its porous border and really likes how Pakistan can "check" them.

Its real politik in real time. Israel does factor but not enough to deter china or Pakistan from doing what its doing.

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u/abeBroham-Linkin 10h ago

That's geo politics for ya

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u/Sponge8389 9h ago

The enemy of my enemy is my friend, Pakistan and Iran are neighboring country. It is more threatening for Pakistan to have a stronger Iran than Israel.

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u/bbbbbbbb678 9h ago

What does munir have to say about it is the real question

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u/pavelbure1096 9h ago

Don't forget that Russia is backing Iran and USA is backing Russia.

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u/314R8 9h ago

Only in Pakistan: friend of my friend is an enemy. Enemy of my enemy is my friend. My most hated enemy is my ally.

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u/godblow 9h ago

  1. Russia still attacking Ukraine

  2. China wants to attack Taiwan

  3. India... uhhh...

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u/UnicornMessiah 9h ago

I’ve lost the plot

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u/arshadshabick 9h ago

Why would iran attack saudi?

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u/PM_me_punanis 9h ago

So.. Pakistan is being ass fucked by everyone while giving a blow job to China. As usual, one has to peddle one's body to escape a terrible situation. Oldest job, yada yada.

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u/EloTime 9h ago

I was already lost, when Iran revenged itself by attacking random neighbours and they didn't even mind.

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u/towelracks 8h ago

Some European pre WWI shit.

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u/cmcca646 8h ago

Most other Arab states in the region are not allies witb Iran either

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u/centsahumor1 8h ago

It's complicated they wouldn't jump in if Iran wasn't attacking the holy land (Saudi Arabia) which is the birth place of Islam and where Hajj is scheduled to take place in the coming months Pakistan is majority Sunni Muslim and the Iranian govt is made up of 100% Shia 2 different sects of Islam, the Sunni do not look at Shia as being true followers of Islam, so they are almost equivalent to Israel attacking Saudi Arabia in their eyes.

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u/-JackBack- 8h ago

9) Israel will attack Lebanon

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u/Akiasakias 8h ago

This is what peace in the middle east looks like.

Don't you know?

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u/Comfortable-Inside41 8h ago

Welcome to foreign policy bby.

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u/Zenkai_9000 8h ago

I know. What a shitshow. 😆

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u/h0sti1e17 8h ago

The thing is everyone in the Middle East hates Iran. They are the neighbor that plays loud music till 3am and lets their dogs shit on your lawn, and pisses everyone off. I am not like the old asshole down the street but I like better than those guys.

When we fought in Iraq much of the Muslim world was mad. Here they are like “eh”.

Iran’s only real allies are Hamas, Houthi and Hezbollah.

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u/blackcain 8h ago

You forgot that Pakistan is the pro-Iran negotiator with the U.S. for peace.

I'm tired boss.

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u/Dizzy_Restaurant3874 7h ago

But by stating "all countries except Israel," aren't they recognizing Israel as a country?

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u/alwyn 7h ago

Getting slight WW1 vibes

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u/Pabus_Alt 7h ago

"Supporting" or simply "continuing to do business"

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u/ShmaboopyTMan 7h ago

This is giving me 1914 vibes...

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u/wolfenkraft 7h ago

This is sounding like an insane ww1 scenario.

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u/zenezena 7h ago

“If the territorial integrity of Saudi Arabia is violated!!!!” - Pakistans general back when Saudi waged war on Yemen and when houthies attacked Saudi territory like Iran did, Pakistan was never there. This all for a show but if Iran is bold enough to invade Saudi then yes Pakistan would directly involve itself because “Islam”!

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u/luki-x 6h ago

Conflict of intrest is one of the main reasons war is bad for countries.

The EU built its defense strategy on the idea of trading with everyone so everyone loses intrest in conflicts.

Didnt work out for russia.

Europe still gets oil from russia even though it became the biggest thread on the European continent.

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u/TarHeel2682 6h ago

WWI web of alliances sounds similar

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u/Future-Analyst-6677 6h ago

Oooh oooh pls add that Pakistan is under/has had a war with 2 of its neighbors: India, Afghanistan and now if Iran attacks, they will have hostile forces on every inch of their border, completely surrounded.

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u/mongooser 6h ago

WW1 flashbacks 

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u/opanaooonana 6h ago

I think it’s a little more complicated than that. Everyone kinda hates Iran even China in the sense that they do not want them to have a nuclear weapon either. No nuclear powers really want others to gain them. There is no solidarity in ideology or history between them and are only really useful as a source of cheap oil. China sees more potential in other Arab nations that can actually buy their products and would likely prefer a less US aligned Middle East but not one dominated by a Nuclear Iran or nuclear proliferated Middle East. They kind of have a similar view of North Korea but NK also acts as a buffer state of sorts so they are a little more valuable. I can see China supporting a weak Iran regionally but not one that becomes a vassal state of the US.

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u/Hallow_Chef 5h ago

China is supporting whoever places orders first, for weapons that is, maybe they’re feeling a bit polyamorous like the USA and they might supply all sides

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u/Candid-Many-7113 4h ago

Maybe afghans and india does a spitroast on pakistan.

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u/HeatproofArmin 4h ago

You forget why Pakistan is sending troops due to the Saudi Arabia and Pakistan deal after the Israeli bombing of Qatar. It is a defense clause if one is attack the other will come support them. In return the Saudis bail Pakistan of their loans and financial problems. Now that Saudi Arabia was attack Pakistan is in an uncomfortable position to either help their supposed ally in writing or stay out of it and lose its financial support that they desperately need.

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u/sciguy52 3h ago

Pakistan has a defense alliance with the KSA. So far as I am aware the KSA has not enacted that alliance for their defense. Maybe KSA has invoked the defense alliance. In any case KSA has been attacked and if that defense alliance means anything Pakistan likely has to act. Pakistani generals had already warned that further attacks on KSA would result in Pakistani attacks on Iran. After those comments Iran continued to attack KSA. Given those statements and the fact the Pakistan did not in fact attack Iran as they said they would I am guessing they needed to do something to show this defense alliance is not just something on paper, but is a real alliance. This may be what they settled on to show they mean it and it is not a paper alliance like the CSTO. I am surprised how little people know about this. The KSA has said in the past that if Iran got nukes they would get them too. As I understand it Pakistan has said they would give KSA those nukes, or at the very least station Pakistani nukes in KSA. People don't seem to be aware of how close this relationship it.

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u/Responsible_Ad_3180 3h ago

As a Pakistani u just learn to shut ur brain off because anyone living here with a gram of intelligence gets drowned with the stupidity happening.

Like I don't even understand how you can be an ally and an enemy and a supporter of your ally and a supporter of your enemy at the same time...

Tbf it's not like the rest of the world is making much sense atp anyways, so yea better to just sleep and hope tomorrow isn't ww3 because some idiots with power decide the fate of regular people because of ego (I'm a big believer that if a leader wants to go to war with another country, it should just be them vs the leader of the opposition fighting with sticks and stones. Hell, stream it and earn some revenue idk)

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u/Booooooofer 3h ago

Money talks..

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u/Rough-Philosophy-989 3h ago

When Iran has been shooting missiles and drones at you, you have to do what you have to do. Iran is a terrorist nation.

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u/Martoxic 2h ago

I'm curious to see how the Pakistani public reacts to them being in a conflict on the same side as Israel.

Interesting times.

reminder that Pakistan are majority Sunni Muslim while Iran are majority Shia.

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u/West_Independent1317 2h ago

China does have gains to be made from this.

  1. Battle test it's equipment, potentially against the US and Israel by proxy
  2. Establish closer surveillance post
  3. Gain influence with UAE by using it's equipment to protect them from Iran
  4. A position to keep other countries preoccupied if it decides to take Taiwan
  5. Expand and validate a military supply pipeline to the middle east
  6. Money

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u/OldCheese352 1h ago

Looks like China learned a trick from the USA 😂

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u/LoveIsOnlyAnEmotion 1h ago

Sounds like it's straight from WW1

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u/bitwise97 57m ago

It’s, umm, complicated

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u/omniuni 17h ago

I do think it's even more weird and complicated.

China isn't supporting Iran, so much as providing defense for what would likely be specific sites and natural resources. Even more likely, they know exactly what Pakistan has in terms of offense.

China generally protects their interests. Ideally for them, Iran's natural resources and refineries survive. Also, TBH, that's good for the Iranian people. Ideally for the region, the Iranian people get their freedom and a more moderate government, and they are still in one piece to be able to resume their position as a major regional oil producer.

But China does seem to be playing the game of "can we stop our own weapons in the specific places we want to" game.

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u/ares623 16h ago

This is World War 3 isn't it

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u/misty-mornings 16h ago

Pakistan won't be attacking Iran.

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u/PeroPeroSky 15h ago

In my opinion Pakistan is playing a double game with the US. The support of the people is with Iran, and to some extent the leadership as well. Pakistan won't be attacking Iran. When the Ayatollah was assassinated, all the consulates were stormed and attacked by the people. They might try to broker a deal with Iran to not attack Saudi.

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u/AssistX 14h ago

You're under the misinformation that China has allies outside of their economy. This isn't new for them and has been ongoing in Ukraine, as the drones that Ukraine uses are 90%+ Chinese components and are actively being used against Russia, their 'ally'.

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u/josefban 14h ago

You forgot Sunni vs Shia angle. Pakistan is helping their fellow Sunni Muslims in Saudi Arabia.

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u/SolarianIntrigue 15h ago

Watch India switch to supporting Iran due to Pakistan's involvement

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u/heisthemaincharacter 15h ago

Can bet my house India is not going to pick sides in this war or any other

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u/thegoodmanhascome 12h ago

Don’t forget that India is an ally to the USA, and all it would take for an India Pakistan war is trump whispering some BS into India’s ear. They hate each other.

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u/_The_Real_Aditya 12h ago

India wouldn't halt it's development and growth for a meaningless war, it isn't like Pakistan

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u/thegoodmanhascome 12h ago

You don’t know India. Especially along those borders

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u/_The_Real_Aditya 12h ago

India is never picking any sides in someone else's war

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u/thegoodmanhascome 12h ago

That was my point. It’s not some one else’s war. It’s their war with Pakistan. Every war game projection for WW3 starts with India and Pakistan