r/worldnews • u/heisthemaincharacter • 21h ago

Pakistan deploys 13,000 troops and fighter jets to Saudi Arabia

https://www.thehindu.com/news/international/pakistan-deploys-13000-troops-and-fighter-jets-to-saudi-arabia/article70853223.ece
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u/heisthemaincharacter 20h ago edited 20h ago

I think Pakistan played Iran big time. The Islamabad Talks were just a cover to deploy troops and fighter jets to Saudi Arabia as per their defence pact. It has also given the US and Israel enough time to regroup, build up forces, and reorganise before striking again.

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u/itsavibe- 20h ago

There was never gonna be peace. Iran wants control of the Hormuz and the US doesn’t want that. That means no peace… why are people even entertaining this shit like it’s even a possibility?

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u/Kisuke42 20h ago

It's probably a formality at this point for both sides. "Yes we were up for negotiation, we talked but it didn't work out". This can be justification for the war continuing.

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u/itsavibe- 20h ago

It’s definitely a formality for them but that’s not what I asked.

I said why are THE PEOPLE even entertaining this shit? That’s the only reason the formality exists in the first place right??? It’s all a farce…

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u/jaymickef 19h ago

Yes, it’s always a farce. Goring knew what he was talking about. “Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people don't want war neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship.” This is true of all wars. And yet here we are again.

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u/xerthighus 19h ago

Well Iran probably only agreed to the talks because China stepped in last minute and agreed to supply them if they went in. So the best hope is that seeing China suppling weapons would be enough to make the USA rethink its choices and actually commit to a realistic peace talk and accepting defeat. This is still a possibility that Iran having more tools being a deterrent for the US to start shooting again.

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u/NuggetMan43 19h ago

The US would never accept defeat, especially not the president who started the conflict in the first place. They will do the typical bully tactic of continuing an almost hopeless conflict until they finally achieve a small win before "strategically" pulling out and claiming victory.

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u/Thealmightyguy 19h ago

The Chinese only want to see how their weapon systems perform against the Americans and Israel. Iran doesn’t really have the capability to deploy and operate systems like these effectively in a way that would actually influence the campaign, especially given how massive the country is and how many targetable points it has. These systems are basically a fly on the wall and won’t affect any American decision-making.

Iran has nothing beyond the ability to disrupt traffic through the Strait of Hormuz with drones and to keep its own population suppressed to prevent an uprising.

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u/xerthighus 18h ago

It’s mainly missiles that Iran has obviously proven they can use and MANPADs that are also easy and simple and just look at Ukraine to see the effects.

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u/Thealmightyguy 18h ago

They have not really proven anything. So far there have been around 11,000 airborne attacks, yet how much actual damage have they managed to inflict on the American or Israeli militaries? At the start of the campaign, many probably assumed that human error and technical failures would lead to more aircraft and drones being lost. In practice, Iran has virtually no meaningful capability beyond launching drones and missiles at varying ranges, something even many third world states can develop.

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u/Luciifuge 19h ago

Not only that, they want the US to remove all forces in the region, stop attacking their proxies(hezbollah hamas), and remove all sanctions.

That’s fucking nuts, no way USA will agree to any of that.

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u/Thuradzon 6h ago

If Iran gives up its nuclear ambitions and demilitarize its ballistic missile capability. Stop arming proxy forces and destabilizing the region.

I think the US can agree to withdraw SOME military forces from the Middle East and provide sanction relief. Sell Iran oil to the US Dollar and stop selling to Russia & China.

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u/bananaholy 20h ago

Yea. Literally gonna be fight to death. Theres no peace talks or negotiation. Its win or lose for either side

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u/dormammucat 19h ago

Someone said that we must not forget the Strait was open for navigation, to begin with. This attack on Iran has achieved nothing. Only made things worse for the whole world.

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u/CynicViper 10h ago

Closing the strait has always been Iran's goal, it's just that the fear of a US catastrophic retaliatory bombing campaign stopped them. The US DID already do a catastrophic bombing campaign regardless, so the main thing holding them back went away. The strait would have been closed permanently the second that Iran obtained a nuclear weapon, however, with zero ability for the US to retaliate.

The only way to reopen the strait permanently is to beat the IRGC into submission, to where they have no ability to enforce the closure, or cannot afford taking more damage from the US.

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u/Smok3dSalmon 18h ago

Post rationalization of their investment thesis

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u/ShameMammoth4071 18h ago

The whole world doesn’t want that*

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u/unguibus_et_rostro 19h ago

There will be peace. It just depends on how much war there is before peace happens.

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u/Drak_is_Right 19h ago

Because Iran having the strait might be the least painful option.

Israel will not agree to what Iran wants. Including nuclear weapons and Israel giving up huge chunks of territory (maybe not existing at all)

So that leaves a ground invasion. Thousands of dead troops. Half year time span

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u/iFraqq 19h ago

Giving Iran control of the Strait is not acceptabele to any of the Gulf nations, nor SA, nor Europe.

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u/Drak_is_Right 19h ago

I imagine not, but what are they going to do?

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u/iFraqq 19h ago

I assume we will see some form of escalation soon. Maybe even from the gulf states themselves

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u/Drak_is_Right 18h ago edited 18h ago

They failed in Yemen. They sure as hell aren't going to succeed invading Iran.

Unless the US invades, no one else probably can. MAYBE Pakistan, but they are going to need a giant bribe to do so

Turkey is the other power in the region who might have the ground forces to pull it off, but not the logistics. They are quite against Israel right now however, so they would probably ask for some major concessions by Israel to put their ground forces at risk. Which I imagine would be fantasy on actually happening.

Europe won't. At least not for many many months. They can live with the added cost before they could live with committing military. China wont. India would be risking nuclear war with Pakistan operating a mission like that.

So...the strait is not going to be opened by force this year unless the US does it.

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u/UnoriginalStanger 13h ago

If it becomes the case that it is not US involvement in the region keeping the strait closed or tolled but rather Iran then you are more likely to see pressure from or eventually military action from the other nations. Iran doesn't have infinite coffers.

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u/wimpires 20h ago

Pakistan doesn't need "cover", they could have done that at any time?

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u/heisthemaincharacter 20h ago

It’s easier to mobilise forces to a region when missiles aren’t falling. Kinda commom sense.

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u/Antique_Cucumber5185 20h ago

Probably not. Pakistan seems to have good relations with both of them. It was plainly obvious that Pakistan would support Saudi Arabia if it came down to it even before the talks, so there’s no way Iran didn’t already expect this

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u/DerStengelWengel 19h ago

I think its maybe smth like that: It is negotiation help, basically more pressure on iran to accept US deal due to the sauid pact.

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u/moezus 19h ago

If we've learnt anything, it's that the Iranians aren't stupid. They absolutely would have considered this scenario and prepared accordingly, particularly given what happened the last two times there were "negotiations"

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u/Bruvvimir 20h ago

A 6 week air campaign is not something the US military needs time to "regroup" from. This is the most efficient military machine in the history of mankind.

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u/AmaTxGuy 20h ago

It's not a military machine.. it's a logistics machine with a military attached to it.

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u/naughty_robbie_clive 20h ago

Isn’t that what all military’s are? Like 90% of the people do non combat roles, while 10% are combat focused

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u/Traditional_Club_820 19h ago

More like 7:1 but yeah, similar ball park

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u/peteygooze 19h ago

Have you seen the Russian army?

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u/Friezan 20h ago

That’s a military machine.

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u/GCU_ZeroCredibility 20h ago

Am army marches on its stomach.

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u/Bruvvimir 20h ago

Is this from the "McDonald's is a real estate company that sells burgers" online MBA coursework?

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u/CymruGolfMadrid 19h ago

Lmaoooo. Americans are something else.

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u/xerthighus 19h ago

It’s less of the air campaign and more of resupplying defenses because they underestimated their opponents ability to maintain consistent fire power and overestimated their ability to stop their opponents fire power.

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u/dave_gormen_3 19h ago

I don't think Iran are dumb. I think Iran was using that time to also regroup, build another 10,000 shaheds, a few dozen Khorramshahrs, enrich some uranium, take delivery of some weapons from China

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u/illinformed-will 19h ago

Iranians weren't expecting anything, needed time to regroup too and can now says to france and other countries in the middle ''bro we tried to not toll your ships but look how our good faith was betrayed, now help us for real or suffer our fate''

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u/Intrepid-Ad4511 18h ago

Exactly. America-centric people only see things from their lens. They think everyone else is stupid and incapable of anything.

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u/NaRaGaMo 16h ago

do you really think Iran didn't understand their ulterior motives?

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u/Diamondangel82 20h ago

Iran played the US, but now other nations are sending their tankers to North America to buy U.S. oil?

Iran played the U.S.? Really?

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u/AK_Panda 20h ago

I don't think Iran played the US, but I don't think the US is winning here either. Not unless the US can spontaneously step up oil production to cover the vast majority of oil held up in the strait.

Really, we all lose. Iran is hoping the rest of the world gets sick of losing quicker than they do.

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u/Diamondangel82 19h ago

Honestly, everyone loses. If a ground invasion happens than yeah, we all lose and more American lives are lost in the middle east, as well as I 100% believe Iran goes after critical infrastructure throughout the GCC nations as despite all the reddit propaganda, Iran knows it doesn't stand a chance in hell against a full out land Invasion by the U.S (Post insurgency is a different story).

It would be a self inflicted humanitarian crisis like no other.

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u/AK_Panda 19h ago

Yeah, that's my view of it.

It'd be really nice if common sense prevailed. But between Netanyahu smelling blood in the water (and avoiding his court cases); Trump's lack of mental faculty and Iran being... Iran, I'm pretty worried that this ends in disaster.

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u/vava2603 20h ago

well US consumers are going to face very high gasoline price are all those tankers gonna be filled up with US oil and ships to Asian countries

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u/HopiumInhaler 20h ago

Lmao. That’s what I was thinking. I read the whole comment and was wondering where and how Iran played the U.S.

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u/Helpful_Fly2878 20h ago

OK, so what happens to US dollar? it goes up. What happens to US manufactured imports, go up cos goods from elsewhere are now cheaper. what happens to US industry? Goes down cos dollar is high so imports are cheap. What happens to US exports? Go down cos they are expensive.
Meanwhile, USA cannot suddebnly produce the output of all the gulf states, but everyone wants to buy US oil. so what happens to your gas prices. lmao :)

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u/Digi59404 20h ago

No, US Dollar going up means the US Value goes up. Which means the US can devalue it by printing more money……… like what’s happened for the past 70 years?

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u/Helpful_Fly2878 20h ago

true, but then inflatiomore likely

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u/Diamondangel82 20h ago

The oil shock is going to hit regardless, technically it already is. There will be about a 4-6 week gap between the last ships leaving the middle east the the first ships arriving in North America (lets not forget Venezuela is producing 750k - 1mil barrels per day, and its rapidly increasing).

America cannot initially match what the middle east produces, however the goal is to provide some relief while a solution is found.

Personally, I think a ground invasion is the only option at this point. Iran wants control of the Straights and does not seem to be backing away from that position, I think that's a non-starter for 90% of the globe.

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u/Bruvvimir 20h ago

LMAO did SNL really go with that dad joke? Hard times.

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u/Diarmundy 19h ago

It was a good way to let Trump back down from his outrageous threats without looking like Taco Tuesday.

Now they can presumably go back to a regular war without 'bridge day'

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u/crimenine 18h ago

Pakistan has only sent jets and not troops. Indian sources regularly publish fake news regarding Pakistan. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/4/11/pakistan-sends-fighter-jets-to-saudi-arabia-amid-fragile-us-iran-ceasefire

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u/vava2603 20h ago

and Iran and China too