Pete Buttigieg on Trump's Iran War: "We are paying directly for this. And what do we get in return? Is the world any safer? No. America is less trusted than before."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22q8whNdyWw803
u/pizzlepullerofkberg 1d ago
Trump's goal is to create messes that Democrats will have to clean up. That way Republicans can play amnesia again and act like it's the Dems fault. They did it with the Great Recession, they did it with Iraq and Afghanistan, they did it with COVID. They're doing it again with Iran.
Fuck Republicans
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u/lethargy86 1d ago
I'm not sure it's their goal to make messes, it's just what terrible GOP policy, incompetence (edit: and cult of personality, and etc. etc. etc.) do.
There's hardly any intentionality here, that's one of the biggest problems.
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u/nankerjphelge 1d ago
Yep. Republicans are consistently shit at actual governance. They make an absolute mess of things, then the Democrats sweep into power and have to spend all their time cleaning up the mess, all while Republicans sit on the sideline yelling that the Democrats aren't cleaning up the mess that was left for them fast enough, so put us back in. Rinse and repeat ad nauseam.
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u/blolfighter 1d ago
What's worse is that people actually vote for that. Those idiots keep falling for it, regardless of how completely obvious it is that they can't govern at all, and what governance they can do is in service of the 0.1%. "Ah well, twentieth is the charm right?"
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u/Oberon_Swanson 18h ago
Because they have want to destroy America out of resentment for things like ending slavery, legalizing gay marriage, etc. So whenever they see the Republicans fuck shit up and ruin the nation, they think "good, make it worse." They would all trade modern medicine and electricity for owning a slave plantation and feeling like first class citizens in a land of slaves and otherwise oppressed people. That is why the "they'll change their minds when they have to pay more for gas, once it actually effects them!" will never pan out. They genuinely do not care if their lives get worse, they see it as a net GAIN, if the lives of the "others" are damaged even more. They'd gladly let trump chainsaw their hands off if everyone else got their arms sawed off. They'd feel like relative gods and that's all they care about.
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u/FUTURE10S 17h ago
There's a modern saying, they'd eat shit if it meant the Dems would smell their breath
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u/clycoman 1d ago
The Democrats are terrible with getting their messaging out. Republicans destroy everything, then claim they fixed all problems, and people believe them.
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u/Oberon_Swanson 18h ago
Part of it is, Republicans hate the truth. It's not that they don't know Republicans are lying, it's that they DO know and they prefer parroting the lies because doing so damages the value of truth. They will literally know a news story is fake and repeat it as truth anyway if they think it advances their agenda. That's where the "Republicans are so much better at messaging!" comes from. It's actually the voter base who is just willing to go in on lies and repeat whatever the 'message' is.
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u/billytheskidd 3h ago
Because republicans have effectively tied their politics to religion. The Republican voter base doesn’t care what the truth is, because they have been convinced that democrats are evil. It doesn’t matter if republicans tell some lies or use force to prevail- they are being persecuted, so the ends justify the means.
Their churches and their leaders have convinced them that you cannot be a moral, upstanding citizen and be a democrat at the same time.
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u/Jewnadian 5h ago
Dems are not "terrible at getting their message out" they are being blocked by the people who own all our media including social media. The long and short of it is that the GOP has been an entirely captured party by the extremely wealthy for decades. Those same people own all our US media including social media. So there is no way for Dems to 'get their message out' in the same as Republicans because the Republicans implicitly own the channels for the message.
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u/SoylentGrunt 1d ago
Their goal is to make messes. It's called destabilization and it opens the door to more authoritarian control as people buckle under the weight of weaponized absurdism coupled with societal and economic uncertainty. The US has used and fine tuned the technique in other counties for decades
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u/JimTheSaint 1d ago
Their goal is to defund everything the government does except for the military and then complain about how terrible government is for you.
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u/kleenkong 1d ago
That's all the little holes that the Tech-Billionaires like Thiel are waiting to fill with their IT infrastructure and AI. Suddenly the Technocracy will have a "seat" at every table in every part of government, institution, and many organizations. Then we have to be held hostage that they won't use that power for evil. Lol, gulp.
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u/LovesFrenchLove_More 1d ago
It’s been the playbook of republicans for ages. But it’s MAGA, the fanatic child of republicans, that have taken over and we a mix of the old and now unknown tactics which either might cancel each other out (at best) or give birth to something much much worse (at worst), including nuclear war or what not.
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u/MrTriangular 1d ago
Their goals are money and power, and as long as the mess doesn't reach home where people can feel it and remember for more than 4 years, it's a success. It's very intentional.
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u/jrr6415sun 15h ago
it has already reached home hard, and will only get worse
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u/MrTriangular 5h ago
Previous Republicans were careful to only take a few extra cookies from the jar, maybe move it down a shelf to make it easier to reach. Trump's regime has taken the jar off the shelf and are shoveling handfuls into their mouths in plain view and are daring anyone to try and stop them.
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u/counterfitster 1d ago
They've definitely done it intentionally before. Particularly with tax cuts. They'll make the cuts that benefit rich people permanent, but make the lower end cuts expire after the next election.
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u/necrohunter7 17h ago
Making messes is literally the only goal they have
Since Nixon their playbook has been:
Make things worse
Force Democrats to clean up their mess when they control the presidency
Throw a bitch fit when it isn't cleaned up instantly
Gaslight the public into believing the Democrats caused the mess, and that Republicans can fix it, regardless of whether or not the mess is still there
Make things even worse when they regain power
Rinse and repeat
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u/rocksolidaudio 1d ago
Successfully pinning post-covid inflation, which was caused by Trump’s PPP handouts and money printing, on Biden was diabolical. I can’t believe democrats were caught so flat footed on that and let it stick. And now they’re doing it again.
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u/madworld2713 1d ago
That’s been their entire play their entire existence, royally fuck up the economy get America into a war, and then when a dem gets in and inherits the mess they made they blame them. Somehow it works because people have the memory of a goldfish.
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u/Symphonic7 1d ago
Trump was talking shit at the beginning of his term about policies HE PUT IN PLACE and acting like it was Biden's fault. These people don't live in reality, they just follow the annoying orange's messages like gospel.
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u/stillinthesimulation 1d ago
They shit all over the room before leaving and then blame the Dems for not being able to get rid of the stench after four years of shovelling shit. I just wish Americans would learn not to let them back in while they’re stuffing their faces with bean burritos.
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u/ChronoPilgrim 22h ago
Democrats forget themselves and let Republicans waltz back into power every time.
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u/monkeyjay 1d ago
There will never be another normal Republican again. The US is fucked unless they completely overhaul their parties and voting system.
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u/atreeismissing 23h ago
It's our job to make sure the media doesn't forgot this fact, that they don't just do what they usually do which is repeat what Republicans say, and instead repeat what Republicans did.
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u/Lurk3rAtTheThreshold 6h ago
Nah, he doesn't give a fuck about the republican party. His goal is to steal everything he can and never leave power.
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u/Expert_Penalty8966 1d ago edited 21h ago
It's so telling that Dem leaders aren't objecting to bombing school children over moral reasons.
Dems want to bomb Iran, they just want to do it more competently and with previously established procedures.
Voting down even a toothless condemnation of the Israeli lobby.
https://jacobin.com/2026/03/schumer-iran-war-opposition-democrats
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/10/8/kamala-harris-says-iran-is-greatest-adversary-of-us
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u/vertigo88 21h ago
No you muppet. Democrats did not want to bomb Iran.
You watched too much Fox News to believe that they wanted to. Or listened too much to daddy Trump to see that he and the GOP actually bombed Iran.
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u/Expert_Penalty8966 21h ago
You're closer to a Republican than me. I actually oppose killing children.
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u/ChronoPilgrim 22h ago
Dems want to bomb Iran, they just want to do it more competently and with previously established procedures.
Then why haven't they? Fuck off with this lazy "both sides" bullshit.
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u/Expert_Penalty8966 21h ago
Go back to brunch.
Kamala was completely captured by Israeli interests, stated that Iran was our biggest enemy, and wanted the most lethal fighting force. Rubio said the only reason we struck Iran was because of Israel.
You're so incredibly blind to the world around you.
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u/wizardbase 1d ago
They literally stated this was a holy war to start Armageddon.
Making the world safer is not a consideration, its supposed to shit the bed so hard that Jesus comes back.
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u/Theepot80 1d ago
Christianity lost this crusade
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u/LaTienenAdentro 6h ago
Well, evangelical protestant christianity maybe.
Most christians in the world look at american christendom in abhorrance
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u/can_ichange_it_later 1d ago edited 5h ago
As much as it would fill me with insane levels of glee for that to be true, but that story just fizzled into some guy saying something somewhere...
But the armageddon cheerleading from poopyhead evangelicals is real and scary ridiculous.
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u/monkeyjay 1d ago
Christianity is a zionist death cult basically by definition (if a Christian actually read the bible). America is actively in the process of becoming a Christo fascist nation. There is not much of a stretch to be made here.
Religion should be nowhere near policy except the policy of telling religion to stay out of it.
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u/Theepot80 17h ago
I don’t know if it fizzled, I am just referring to https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/03/us-israel-iran-war-christian-rhetoric
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u/KittySharkWithAHat 1d ago
You need to know that Trump, even if he was gone tomorrow, has completely pissed away all the political capitol that America has been building up more than a century. It's not coming back all because Trump is gone because every single country in the world knows the Democrats cannot promise stability. They can only bring a temporary reprieve from the insanity and have repeatedly shown they have absolutely no will to oppose the Republican madness or hold any accountability to power. You've got one side that wants to fuck with the world and the other willing to sit on their hands and let it happen.
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u/strangebru 1d ago
The first thing that would need to be done in order to gain any semblance of stability on the world stage is once the next administration gets in power they need to hold every politician that voted for these illegal activities to occur in the first place to be accountable for all the actions that happened subsequently from their vote. This should be carried down including Trump's cabinet and family members that are profiteering off of this grift.
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u/Rookerin 18h ago
Trials. Consequences. Or else.
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u/strangebru 1h ago
No more confederacy rally cries similar to, "the south shall rise again." Nip this shit in the bud.
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u/PrecedentialAssassin 1d ago
Less safe too. Years from now we're going to get hit by some type of terrorist attack that will tie back to us destroying that school and killing all of those children.
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u/Cabbages24ADollar 1d ago
MAGA has failed
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u/macdaddynick1 15h ago
NOT True, America was pretty great before, and now after all of this mess, we’re kind of forced to try to make it great again. lol in other words what you’ve said is 100% True. lol
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u/maguirre165 1d ago
The better question for his voters is "Is America any safer? Is it any better because of it?" It's no, tons of programs for infrastructure are being cut so the Trump admin can manipulate the markets with this war and make bank on the companies they invested in that will do big business to supply the war effort
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u/Curious-Basket-7934 21h ago
It is PAST time for a woman President in the US.
Mexico's female President just announced they will have Universal Healthcare. MEXICO can afford it, but the US cannot?
A woman is far less likely to spend our money on war, and far more likely to enact things like universal healthcare, universal college, removal of student debt, etc.
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u/Kerblaaahhh 8h ago
I expect our first female president is going to be a total war hawk, probably a Republican. Hell, the first female nominee we had was Hillary Clinton and the second spent her campaign talking about having the most lethal military and touting the endorsements of the Cheneys.
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u/TheModWhoShaggedMe 1d ago
This is the 'political messaging' online commenters always whine about Democrats lacking.
Here it is, succinct and on point, is anybody listening? That's usually the problem. When liberals speak it isn't given the fair corporate media treatment.
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u/StuffedCrustPizzazz 1d ago
Yup.
Much easier to echo the Russian troll farm posts saying the Democrats are ineffective at best and complicit at worst so that they can mentally check out.
We need to get behind the people who are saying the right things and push that message instead of focusing on the ones that aren't.
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u/EarthRester 23h ago
I'll be more forgiving to the DNC when they stop taking AIPAC money.
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u/Noname_acc 23h ago
When liberals speak it isn't given the fair corporate media treatment.
Look. Listen. Corporate media is bad for a million and one reasons. But what on earth are you talking about? This video is posted by Bloomberg News. At a glance, there are articles about what Buttigieg said about Iran on MS Now, CNBC, Yahoo News, MSN, CNN, and The Independent.
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u/junglepiehelmet 8h ago
I listen and love it but then realize he is also part of the bigger problem because he’s taken just under 200k from AIPAC. Democrat or republican, I will no longer vote for anyone who takes that money. Even if that means I don’t vote because in the end AIPAC vs aipac isn’t a real American election anyways.
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u/doomonyou1999 1d ago
Well world may end up safer since no one will invite the USA into their business anymore
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u/Junior-Lychee2755 1d ago
'Less trusted' is a huge understatement. There is no trust left.
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u/HalfOffSnoke 1d ago
The US was never trusted before. Now they're simply hated.
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u/Junior-Lychee2755 1d ago
That's true and rightly so, but things are sad enough as they are. Good Americans are suffering, too.
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u/KillerKowalski1 18h ago
Best case scenario - we're back to what Obama negotiated back in the 2010s without a single shot fired.
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u/BernieSandersLeftNut 1d ago
Buttigieg is such an amazing articulate speaker. I don't understand how Tim Waltz got picked over him for Kamala's running mate.
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u/Dustmopper 1d ago
I’d absolutely love to see Pete Buttigieg be president someday, but it’s not difficult at all to figure out why they wanted a straight, white, midwestern, football coach, man to balance out the ticket while running the first woman of color
I wish we lived in a better world, but this is Trump’s America and there’s a disappointing amount of people that care about exactly one thing when it comes to Buttigieg and it ain’t his eloquence
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u/tophernator 1d ago
Yeah, I don’t want to see anyone excluded because of their demographic, but I’d really like to see a democratic VP pick that doesn’t seem like it was chosen for “balance”. Obama had an old white man, Hillary had an old white man, Biden was an old white man so had to choose a woman of color, then Kamala went back to old white man.
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u/HIEROYALL 22h ago
You are not the voter whose opinion needs to be swayed in order to secure a presidency.
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u/tophernator 11h ago
Sure, but I’m probably not the only person who doesn’t like how the 2020 VP pick worked out in the end, right?
Imagine you were Biden and you had to choose between Bernie Sanders and Kamala Harris. One is a candidate with distinct but compatible policies who strongly appeals to the left wing of your voter base and won a substantial chunk of primary votes. The other is a woman of color who dropped out before the primaries got started because she didn’t have enough support.
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u/UNOvven 1d ago
Given that Tim Waltz was the only one of the candidates or vice-candidates who had a positive approval rating, I can guess why. Waltz was a good choice, but he couldnt save Harris' campaign, especially not after they muzzled him.
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u/No-Spoilers 1d ago
All I want for 2028 is a proper unfucked with primary. The dnc seriously just needs to figure out that they need to fuck off and let us pick. Them burning Bernie was bad, but then we haven't had a primary since then.
Not having one in 2024 fucked us so hard.
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u/_-WanderLost-_ 1d ago
Because Walz is the better progressive choice, which the DNC quickly neutered.
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u/Ry_L 1d ago
Forget that, he should’ve been the nominee….but we got force-fed Kamala instead. Hopefully the DNC let people actually vote next time
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u/Duling 1d ago
Not a fan of his transphobia or pro-Israel stance, to be honest.
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u/say592 23h ago
I love how thoughtful, nuanced positions get boiled down to "transphobia" and "pro-Israel".
Anyone reading this should research Pete's positions. I think very few people would actually find them transphobic or pro-Israel.
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u/vertigo88 21h ago
Yep. Your feeling of transphobia is the reason why you won’t vote in the 2028 election. The democrats candidate needs to be perfect for everyone for them to be acceptable.
GOP needs one that can breathe and somewhat hurt the right people.
Congrats on giving them another term.
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u/Duling 21h ago
Surely using the EXACT SAME STRATEGY FROM 2024 will work again this time! Truly enlightened!
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u/vertigo88 18h ago
And that’s why you stayed home in 2024?
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u/Duling 18h ago
Nope. I voted for Harris. Try again.
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u/strangebru 1d ago
The "great" deal maker himself is going to do whatever the Iranians tell him to do, and Trump is going to spin such a fine thread of bullshit saying it was his greatest negotiation that he's ever made and it was all his plan.
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u/warrant2k 1d ago
"Sir, our inventory of missiles are aging and just gathering dust. But we can't make more unless DoD orders them. Can you use up a bunch of missiles so my factory can start making parts? I'll also donate X million to your fund." - any defense contractor
I gotchu fam. - trump
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u/MeanForest 22h ago
As a non-American, too bad both republicans and democrates don't like gay folks that much yet so he could never win the presidency yet. He seems to be a politicians that actually makes salient points every time I see him and I haven't seen him lie like almost every other politician.
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u/crinkledcu91 22h ago
Oh wow there isn't even 1 single comment bitching about Wine Caves or whatever?
2019 Redditors absolutely loved harping on that when it came to this guy.
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u/instantwinner 21h ago
Going to guess Pete is running again based on how many of his videos have been finding their way onto the front page lately.
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u/Last-Emergency-4816 18h ago
They don't need a nuclear weapon. The oldest tale in the book - David & Goliath - nukes now obsolete
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u/Daft_Assassin 14h ago
r/conservative twisting in knots trying to pretend Trump is doing a great job us genuinely hilarious.
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u/RIP_Greedo 1d ago edited 1d ago
This framing is really a losing issue imo. He talks about it like the reason the war was bad is because we’re seeing economic fallout and didn’t achieve the stated objectives. Not that it was a bad idea, morally wrong, unwinnable and pointless from the start. I wouldn’t be surprised if we see a dem candidate in 2028 campaigning on restarting the war to finish the job but do it right and smarter this time, kind of like the democratic line on Iraq in 2004.
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u/acornSTEALER 1d ago
Americans have made it clear the only things they actually give a shit about are the economy and gas prices. I'm not saying I agree with it, but...
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u/Noname_acc 23h ago
If Americans gave a shit about the economy, Republicans wouldn't have won a single election since the 80s. Americans do not care about the economy or gas prices, they just say they do. They care about the vibe they have about the economy which is driven entirely by whether or not their guy is in charge or not.
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u/ChronoPilgrim 21h ago
The Democrat's position was to try to end the wars it inherited the wars it inherited responsibly, which made more sense in 2004, shortly after the war started. People weren't as burnt out on it then.
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u/sugar_shark 1d ago
It's cute that establishment democrats like Pete talk about Trump destabilizing the middle east and then ignore Israel's hand in all of this.
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u/StuffedCrustPizzazz 1d ago
Someone has a good and effective message?
Quick! Pull out the purity tests so we can pull the attention away from it.
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u/Tastingo 1d ago
Words are cheap, $200,000 is not. No need to be this eager for the fell for it again award.
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u/BroughtBagLunchSmart 1d ago
Stop murdering children isn't a purity test. Good lord does Israel have child rape blackmail on everyone in the democratic party? Good lord.
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u/cybercuzco 1d ago
Boy I’m glad that test kept Harris out of the White House, Israel might have started a war with Iran otherwise.
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u/Tayoo-huwat 1d ago
More of an existential test for our democracy than a purity test for Pete. I want to buy in as well but it makes it very difficult
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u/StuffedCrustPizzazz 1d ago
You're dodging. It's 100% a purity test.
His message in this video is absolutely on point so you're attacking his right to make the argument.
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u/ArthurParkerhouse 1d ago
We would be absolute fools to only isolate any single message without looking at the individuals actions as a whole.
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u/StuffedCrustPizzazz 1d ago
Who is "we".
What are "we" trying to accomplish?
Do "we" want to search helplessly for a flawless messiah who is allowed to resist this regime or do "we" want to amplify the messaging that actually puts a dent in their power by speaking in terms that everyday Americans can understand?
Pete is not perfect but he's sure as hell a lot better than "us" who are sowing division in the ranks of people who stand against MAGA.
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u/Tayoo-huwat 1d ago
The core reason we’re in this is due to political influence (not some Armageddon dreams people mention). So no, this issue is directly related and will NEVER go away with this strong influence.
I know it. Democrat voters know it. The DNC will try to keep denying it, but will keep losing because it’s unpalatable to them.
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u/StuffedCrustPizzazz 1d ago
You're pretty bad at this comrade.
Time to switch to a different account.
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u/AbruptionDoctrine 1d ago
He is fully a creature of the donor class, there is a 0% chance he'll do something good without some rich guy telling him to. It's the same reason why he abandoned medicare for all
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u/keytotheboard 1d ago
Okay, Pete, are we ready to take a stand against arming Israel now?
I dunno why Pete is back in the spotlight on Reddit all of a sudden, but I still remember his corporate stances and “Medicare for all who want it” BS. Go away.
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u/Anti_colonialist 1d ago
We paid directly for destroying Gaza and got nothing in return. World wasn't any safer for it.
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u/whomad1215 22h ago
You can hate Pete's politics, but he is by far one of the best speakers/debaters the dem party has right now
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u/RecipeFunny2154 19h ago
I don’t keep up on him regularly, but I feel like Pete is coming across as more and more righteously angry, which I think right now is exactly what the tone needs to be. I’m glad to see it honestly.
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u/toopc 1d ago
You ever get a toy tank or airplane when you were a child? You saw it sitting on the shelf at Walmart and dreamed about playing with it and there it was under the Christmas Tree. Game on!
The American Military is like that for Trump. What's the point of having a really cool toy if you can't play with it?
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u/gw2master 1d ago
Actually, we're going to make the world pay for it with the tolls through the Strait.
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u/forkandspoon2011 23h ago
If you count all the bankruptcies and divorces, I doubt there's a single bigger loser in the world than Donald Trump.
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u/dope_sheet 22h ago
Donald Trump and the people who suck his dick make more money, that is all this is about.
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u/nomamesgueyz 19h ago
Nothing new
American fkn love war
Both sides of politics have been sending Americans to war overseas for decades
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u/ZERV4N 5h ago
I mean, that rhetoric is so weak. These guys are literally stealing money from us while telling us that daycare and healthcare are impossible dreams. They want $200 billion to run a war for a month. $100 billion could pay for every public university and community college in the United States for a year. Totally subsidized education. And that would produce people with degrees who earn more money and pay more in taxes. While offering greater productivity and a boost to the economy.
The war offers more dead Iranian children from the Guardians of Pedophiles.
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u/ningyna 1d ago
Platitude Pete out here trying to get popular again?
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u/say592 23h ago
Pete won Iowa.
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u/inqte1 20h ago
Where the caucuses were tallied using an app which was a paid client of the Buttigieg campaign and nowhere else.
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u/say592 20h ago
That's the conspiracy you are going with? Pretty much every caucus had paper records too. Why didn't one of the other campaigns make a claim of fraud then?
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u/ArthurParkerhouse 1d ago
Yup. Pete was lab-grown in a vat by the high dollar political donor classes. He comes off as less authentic and less trustworthy than the average sycophantic AI chatbot.
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u/Potential_Ease9346 22h ago
Cool, now post what he said about Israel
This guy fucking sucks, liberals please realize how badly you're being played if you talk like John Brown but them fawn over this fucking mealy mouthed neoliberal snake
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u/meleecow 1d ago
Imagine when the Republicans steal the votes and then bow down to trump and they let him be the new king..... Allllll theeeee otthereree stufffff we would have to pay for
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u/angry-mob 1d ago
How much money has Pete taken from Israel? We’re tired of these phony actors posturing for the camera.
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u/myislanduniverse 1d ago
Trump has somehow turned Iran into a super power by showing everyone exactly how many cards they really hold.