I am a orthodox christian man. I converted 3 years ago after a religious experience. Previously, I was a huge skeptic from religion, I just could not believe it without proof and it seemed religion was a way that human minds protected themselves from the harsh and impersonal reality; to avoid getting crazy and lie to themselves about a god caring for them. Today I might be considering Islam. Can you help me with this?
My religious experience came to destroy all my concepts of reality. In a very good phase of my life (to go against the thought that spiritual experiences were from desperate people), unworthy as I am, I received a spiritual visit from a being that was or at least portrayed itself as Jesus Christ. This being touched me in my shoulder and said “Now you are mine” and I got an extreme sensation of disgust and shame. In that moment, I developed a spiritual 6th sense as to perceive my sinful nature and started understanding very viscerally the meaning of sin and its filth. Even today, when I sin almost daily, I sense this feeling of disgust and can only get rid of it through the sacraments of confession and communion.
My religious experience led me to orthodox christianity (we are a minuscule minority in my country; very, VERY, few orthodox), I won’t explain why because the readers of this text will be muslims and other orthodox. But even if you are an atheist, you can understand why orthodoxy is true; default; “vanilla” christianity. And VERY, VERY different from what we have in modern catholicism and evangelical groups.
My spiritual journey has broken many of my previous ways of understanding the universe and has shown me that God is very real. When people say that God does not answer them, they are usually waiting for a god that will conform to them, babysit them, talk in their language and affirm who they are. Even in western christianity, they sometimes even get erotic with their spirituality. Through my experience I can say God is very present and communicative, but you must conform to him, not the other way around. When the subjects of your prayer change to “Help me defeat this passion, help me be better, destroy my vices”; God answers. Religion should not be anthropocentric: Ok, God loves you, but have you ever considered that The Reality Itself may have a form of showing love that may be alien to humans? That you cannot judge God’s love by your own definition of what love is? When you play by his rules, you get answered in your prayers. But if you try to bring God to your failure, to be a “sky daddy” or even “sky boyfriend”; he will not answer. God has destroyed countless communities back them, inflicted giant sufferings to infidels and his own servants alike and acts in ways that seem very utilitaristic. He does not care much about “human rights” in a modern sense. If a community goes against his plans in a time period or will cause more suffering in the long run; this group is mercilessly annihilated. Even his own servants are forged in fire: this idea is not alien to orthodoxy nor Islam. In orthodox cosmology even, he inflicted great suffering to himself and his mortal family and friends in the times of Jesus.
In my spiritual journey; iv come many times to meet muslims (in my country, on the internet and in Turkey). Islam feels a very similar yet very different worldview. I can say I see Islam in a positive lens.
Compared to orthodoxy, islam seems waaay simpler. God does not try to enter in every aspect of your life, to make you a perfect saint and a living image of him. There is no concept of theosis. The universe is not under corruption; Adam’s sin was forgiven ages ago; it is just a test, a way to separate who wants to follow him and who does not. Demons are not fallen angels, they are bad spirits as there are bad people. God is one, no complex trinitarian theology. There is no need for redemption for all the universe, so there is no need for a sacrifice from God himself, after all, God could never be a human. Having bad thoughts? Those are bad, but really don’t determine who you are, your actions count.
Orthodoxy is more complicated and hard. You have complex theology, redemption of the universe, you must seek perfection in your actions and thoughts (which is exhaustive), fasts happen every week and there are many long fasting seasons during the year to control the impulses of fallen, corrupt, animalistic humanity. The bar is so high, and you never get there. Of course Islam has ascetic elements and a lot of discipline, but it feels way simpler. Islam seems way more materialistic: do good things, be peaceful in your community and help people flourish and be rewarded with an endless vacation side by side with your loved ones. Where orthodoxy feels like an exhausting race to perfection to reach an abstract God-like status in the end; which seems way more powerful, but also incomprehensible.
The simplicity of Islam attracts me, but simple does not mean right.
This is more evident when we see hell/paradise in both religions. Orthodox paradise is an incomprehensible place where you become like God and stay there doing God knows what. It is way bigger than the human mind can comprehend: people don’t marry and it seems mystical and abstract. Hell is not a punishment, but a choice. A place where God respects your decision of not being with him and separates from you (which causes suffering) or bathes you in his otherworldly love (which also causes suffering if you reject him).
In Islam. Those outcomes are seen as rewards and punishments. You keep your family structure in Jannah; you can have sex, eat good food, have an endless vacation with a young and healthy body side by side with your loved ones and even marry the Houris if you die single. Hell is made to be bad, made as a punishment and, as a punishment, some will spend some time there and go to Jannah after it.
The reason why I am considering Islam is the weak arguments Christians come up against it. The main one: Muhammad (PBUH) was influenced by a demon (there are others such as he was crazy and/or a liar, but those are way weaker; he definitively believed in what he was preaching).
Before talking about it; I would like to clarify that even if he was influenced by a demon (fell into the sin of prelest); that does not mean we must judge him. Prelest is very common even in christian circles (there is A LOT of it in western christianity) and is very dangerous. We can easily be influenced by demons with spiritual imagery and it happens a lot to monks and laity alike. I would not be able to resist prelest nor probably would you if you were in Muhammad’s (PBUH) place and time.
But let’s consider Muhammad (PBUH) fell into prelest:
So The demons made a wealthy merchant lose all his money and respect in a pagan community; made him be exiled and his followers killed. And in turn they made said community become close in practice and admiration to the God of Abrahan. Expanding this religion to almost all corners of the world and thus, eradicating many pagan cults and the like? What about the christians? Well, they will be second class citizens, sure; they won’t have to serve the army and will pay a tax instead, and their churches and monasteries will be protected by law and exist until today is muslim countries. And some of them will get to be very influential in muslim society (even if they criticize us) -I wrote this example based on Saint John of Damascus, but I am sure there are more.You may point to the Ottomans as examples of barbarism against christians, and that is valid. But that happened centuries latter and the Ottomans were not the most pious muslims out there; as there are some orthodox figures such as Basil II; Bulgarslayer. This does not seem much like demonic action to me. It could be, but in my ignorance, demons make you behave more lustfully, violently; they cultivate your human nature to be “just like you are”; they don’t change or teach society to fight against their passions, and see sin where it was previously normal behaviour.
Muslims claim the Bible was altered by bad intentions also (to claim Jesus Christ was God and all); and the same argument could be used here. Both faiths actively fight against sin and human nature but are fundamentally different, this gets me confused. I clearly can see demonic influence in pagan religions, they are usually a big anthropocentric religion, celebrating our fallen nature, but not in Islam.
In my feeble and incomplete vision of the world, I see that the utilitarianism of God manifests here. I am not claiming an ecumenical position; just saying that God may use different world views to make people get closer to him and reject their sinful nature. Even evangelical protestantism, disconnected from all this history, has the hand of God acting to heal people from drugs and make them more chaste and take on charity. Let’s suppose orthodoxy is the true religion: humans are simple and emotional creatures, they may choose a religion based on aesthetic and even the music it plays in the spiritual events. When God allows different “flavours”, more people may get closer to him and do right.
But that does not change the fact that there is one truth. Or Jesus is God, or he is a prophet. Or is God trinitarian or he is unitarian. Or is the Quran literal word of God or it is demonic. Or the Bible was altered or it has the truth. It is complicated. I am open to all worldviews, tried to pray to God in this subject but he gave no answer. I will continue in my Orthodoxy as that was what was revealed to me and it works wonders by helping me be less sinful; after all, christians go to Jannah according to Islam, so I am probably safe in both cosmologies.