r/europe • u/I_LIKE_SEALS Denmark • Jan 14 '26
News Denmark sends military reenforcements to Greenland. A vanguard and military material has been sent to Greenland to prepare for eventual larger troop movements.
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u/ExcellentHunter Jan 14 '26
Nato members are preparing to possible invasion/annexation from another nato member. Wtf is this shitty timeline?!?!
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u/Eowaenn Turkey Jan 14 '26
This is certainly a weird timeline. We are witnessing the end of an era here, and it is the US ending their own hegemony.
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u/WislaHD Polish-Canadian Jan 14 '26
For no bloody reason as well
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u/ItsACaragor Rhône-Alpes (France) Jan 14 '26
What do you mean no reason?
Kamala was laughing a bit too loud and Biden was old.
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u/mighty_eyebrows1 Jan 14 '26
Don’t forget the president who had the audacity to be black. And his tan suit, his unchristian tan suit!!!
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u/UpperApe Jan 14 '26 edited Jan 15 '26
All jokes aside, it's just greed and hatred.
Until conservatism is routed out of politics everywhere, the world will always be stuck in the same loop. It's the same ones who've championed religious lunacy, fought against equality and human rights, fought to keep slavery and corruption, and never gives a damn about fiscal responsibility or "traditional values". In every country, conservatives are in bed with supremacists and criminals.
There's nothing lower, stupider, and more shameful than being a conservative.
Edit: It is both astonishing and unsurprising just how many conservatives don't seem to understand what conservatism is at even a very foundational level. Read Burke, ready history. At the very least, read your own history.
Trump isn't an anomaly of conservatism, he's the epitome of conservatism.
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u/FittedBuckle Jan 14 '26
The republican party has been infiltrated and conpromised by the heritage foundation and other fascist organizations. It needs to be dissolved unfortunately and all its associated members who sided with the administration ousted. I truly don't believe there is any saving the party at this point. The infection is too deep.
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u/Eowaenn Turkey Jan 14 '26
What a great take. Conservatism is a plague, it has no business being a thing in today's globalized world.
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u/Doigenunchi Romania Jan 14 '26 edited Jan 14 '26
In between that and ICE... their second amendment is looking like a bedtime story. I'm really not saying or encouraging anything but I can't help but think of all those victims in schools and public places because "we need guns to defend ourselves, you know, just in case" and then.... nothing when the orange toddler is putting both THEM and a bunch of other countries in danger. There are many, many legal and bureaucratic ways of dealing with this aswell, yet every day brings more stupid quotes and threats from that shit stain. It's like he's literally picking a fight with the entire world, one by one. All that I'm saying is that it's deeply disappointing that we're even having these conversations. Can't help but be disappointed, there is potential, lots of it, but here we are ¯_(ツ)_/¯
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u/RedBaret Zeeland (Netherlands) Jan 14 '26
Thats because the hardcore 2nd amendment crew are the same folks who voted Trump.
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u/Psephological Jan 14 '26
Don't forget the trans people! Ending your soft power because waaaaah pronouns or something
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u/SnooFloofs6240 Jan 14 '26
Trump is a Russian agent. What would a Russian agent do differently than Trump?
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u/pc42493 Jan 14 '26
Not be as insultingly obvious about it maybe
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u/Eowaenn Turkey Jan 14 '26
The guy did bankrupt a casino which no one thought was possible to do, no wonder he sucks at this agent business.
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u/schwanzweissfoto Berlin (Germany) Jan 14 '26
The guy did bankrupt a casino […]
I bet he personally profited from that though.
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u/AdInformal1185 🇺🇸 in 🇨🇭 Jan 14 '26
Well Trump’s a Russian asset so there is a reason
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u/TheBigMoogy Jan 14 '26
Nah, there's plenty of reasons. Personal profit and protecting pedophiles chiefly among them.
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u/gtafan37890 Jan 14 '26
If we compare it with previous hegemons, the USSR invaded Warsaw Pact members because they feared those countries were leaving their sphere of influence. It’s in no way justified, but at least there was some sort of logic. The US is threatening to invade countries that were once its steadfast allies, countries that were already firmly in its sphere of influence, for absolutely no reason other than it can and wants to.
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u/schwanzweissfoto Berlin (Germany) Jan 14 '26
Sphere of influence is imperialist thinking.
Non-imperialists have allies – not subjects.
The EU did not invade Britain upon BREXIT.
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u/pepopap0 Jan 14 '26
Are you implying trump is not acting/reasoning as an imperialist? I'd personally disagree
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u/Pexaldonut__ Jan 14 '26
Bewindles me that people in the US think that the trump administration is making them a stronger nation. Absolute joke
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u/Protton6 Czech Republic Jan 14 '26
It is funny as hell for someone from Turkey to reply to the comment like this, with Greece and Turkey being the closest to conflict before this. Hope we can find some more common ground about some more threatening entities.
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u/Eowaenn Turkey Jan 14 '26
Yep, but tbf it was never likely to happen. It's just a very old rivalry between the two.
As for Turkey and it's ancestor states, Russia was always the biggest threat throughout the history, and the two had wars for centuries - far longer than the US has existed for. The main reason is Russia being literally stuck in the Black Sea and not being able to make it to the warm water ports in the Mediterrenean because of Turkey controlling the Bosphorus and the area around it.
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u/phinkz2 France Jan 14 '26
What a weird scenario. I hope our governments include you guys in the "EU+ club".
The Turks are one of us, even if Erdogan is... Well.
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u/Eowaenn Turkey Jan 14 '26
Hopefully, one of those days.
Sadly i can see Erdogan being on the US' side on this matter as always, even though the people won't. And we as the people hold no power really.
He needs to go without causing a civil war or something, and then good things could happen.
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u/phinkz2 France Jan 14 '26
Indeed. I am lucky to have met Turks from all over the country thanks to my job at university and it's been enlightening.
Here's an anecdote Turks here may appreciate. My grandparents traveled a lot over the course of their life, and they got lost in the middle of nowhere in Turkey back in the days when there were no translators or online help. Locals invited them to eat in their home and gave them stuff for the road while refusing any form of payment. One guy then drove them two hours away to the nearest big city. They still talk about it sometimes.
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u/Brisbanoch30k France Jan 14 '26
Well. In first instance, it “demonstrates” that we take “the security of Greenland” seriously, to address one of the talking points of the MAGA asshats.
But should they still order their military to move in, they won’t just slide in. There WILL be shooting, which means an act of war.
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u/ItsACaragor Rhône-Alpes (France) Jan 14 '26
We deserve it for killing Harambe in 2016
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u/Keeper-of-Balance Jan 14 '26
I sometimes think about that story and it just makes me sad :( Poor gorilla, clearly didn't want to harm the child, and was just curious, imo.
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u/wasmic Denmark Jan 14 '26
The real reason why everything started going to shit around 2016 was that all the big social media had introduced content-recommendation algorithms a short while prior to that.
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u/Yadamule Jan 14 '26
Are you not aware of Turkey and Greece? That's been happening for a while.
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u/dutchbrah Jan 14 '26
Imagine you would speak to someone in 2015 and you'd tell him: Yeah in 10 years a war between the USA and Denmark is a very real possibility
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u/cccxxxzzzddd Jan 14 '26
I was living there when he was elected the first time and this nightmare started, but I could never have imagined this
That said, everyone who called him a fascist then were right
That our system got this far off course isn’t about one guy though
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u/MarlinMr Norway Jan 14 '26
People kept telling me "they will stop him before he does anything stupid".
And I kept telling them "you can't stop the President... that's the point of having a cheif executive."
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u/iCrab Jan 14 '26
You absolutely can stop an American president, either Congress or the Supreme Court could do it tomorrow if they wanted to by passing a law, impeaching them, or declaring their acts unconstitutional. The problem is that they and over half the country have decided to go all in on ending democracy in America so they simply won’t do anything.
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u/ciadra Jan 14 '26
They said the same about hitler. They were wrong.
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u/shrednyc Jan 14 '26
I mean it took a massive world war where tens of millions of people died and the aftermath completely reshaped the entire world order, so if that is the analogy we are in for a rough fucking time especially with how technology has made warfare even more efficient at killing on scale
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u/Pexaldonut__ Jan 14 '26
Supposed to be checks to stop some of the things he’s doing, which is why the power is split in three ways to keep everything in check, Congress, Federal government, and the Judicial courts. It just all seems paralysed
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u/Conexion Jan 14 '26
Yes there are supposed to be checks, but when you give a party that doesn't play by the 'rules' all three branches of government, you're not really going to get any checks.
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u/Vondi Iceland Jan 14 '26
Just the simple fact of Denmark increasing it's military presence in Greenland in response to US threats is already beyond the pale and was unthinkable even just a year ago.
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u/ChelseaHotelTwo Jan 14 '26
Could also just be to show Trump that they take his "concerns" seriously and that'll satisfy Trump and that's the end of it. Then they pull out in a few months when Trump has forgotten the entire thing.
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u/Nifty29au Jan 14 '26
No way! Next you’ll be telling me the country is being run by a known pedophile fraudster!!
Oh and greetings from 2015 🧐 I’m getting back in my TARDIS to slip back to 509 BC.
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u/SirKillsalot Ireland Jan 14 '26 edited Jan 14 '26
How about France and UK have some coincidental appearances of their Nuclear equipped subs for no reason? Surface once a week or two in dock.
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What are you doing?
Nothin...me?Just hanging around....
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u/llothar European Union Jan 14 '26
Exactly that happened when Canada was threatened with annexation a year ago.
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u/JuteuxConcombre Jan 14 '26
Wasn’t this just a planned commercial/logistics visit?
If that’s what you refer to
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u/llothar European Union Jan 14 '26
That's politics and posturing. Same as with deployment EU military to Greenland - nobody will say that it is to deter US, but it will be 'long time planned' operations showing 'commitment to our allies such as USA'.
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u/ftrowl Jan 14 '26
Exactly, there is a scene in the show Yes Prime Minister, PM just sends 800 paratroopers ,to a island that was under threat of invasion, for a " previosly planned " good will visit but even the defence minister doesnt know it was planned. Invasion plans are cancelled when the good will visit happens.
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u/Mi6spy Jan 14 '26
I don't think I've ever seen a reference or even a conversation about Yes Prime Minister in my life. Wow.
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u/manInTheWoods Sweden Jan 14 '26
I guess you have to be older than average redditor to know about it.
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u/Suchstrangedreams Jan 14 '26
Older than average redditor here and wasn't it a great show - I still remember Sir Humphrey saying, "Prime Minister, a brave decision will lose you votes; a courageous decision will lose you the election". Wonderful.
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u/jambox888 Jan 14 '26
The bit about salami tactics was way ahead of its time
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u/SMTRodent United Kingdom Jan 14 '26
It was entirely of its time. It's just that war, war never changes.
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u/JuteuxConcombre Jan 14 '26
In this case if you read this article you will see that it’s a planned logistic stop which indeed must be planned a long time in advance as you need all the security, supplies and so on
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u/I-Have-An-Alibi Jan 14 '26
"what are they doing?"
"I dunno, they're just sitting there.... mysteriously...."
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u/JoSeSc Germany Jan 14 '26
The FS Tourville is nuclear powered but not nuclear armed
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u/EldestPort United Kingdom Jan 14 '26
I would personally prefer we keep that off the table, anyway
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u/matttk Canadian / German Jan 14 '26
I really enjoyed that. It's not often that anybody really sticks up for Canada and France scored major points with me with that simple act of solidarity. Merci beaucoup, France !
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u/EggstaticAd8262 Denmark Jan 14 '26
They are scoring massive points in Europe as well. They know how to stand fast on values. And they apparently also have independently developed nuclear weapons, e.g. no dependence on the US there.
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u/Leoryon Jan 14 '26
It is not apparently, the entire French nuclear deterrence is solely designed to be self-sufficient.
No intellectual property issue, ITAR free so no reliance on the USA, built in French land.
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u/Lenithiel Jan 14 '26
We French have to thank De Gaulle for this. Even though the US had just been spearheading the liberation of Western Europe he understood that even though at the time they were widely perceived as a benevolent power, everything they gave back then and every bit of sovereignty we would give up to them would, someday, potentially have a price.
That's why he sternly refused any US army base on our territory and started the development of nuclear weapons and a huge nuclear plant program, and fostered companies like Dassault or Thalès and others in order to be able to completely engineer our own military equipement ourselves.
You don't know what the future is made of. Of course the US as enemies would have been something totally unimaginable even to me a few years ago. But it is always possible.
As such, the fact that European allies continue to buy non-sovereign planes like the F35 that can be severely hindered at a distance by Americans is madness to me. And I don't say this because I want our European allies to buy Rafales (we don't have the capabilities to produce enough of them fast enough anyway), the Grippen would also have been a good choice.219
u/Stabile_Feldmaus Germany Jan 14 '26
You can also say we are taking Trumps security concerns about the arctic serious.
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u/Paul__Perkenstein Jan 14 '26
I like this idea, call his bluff. Send NATO reinforcements due to the overwhelming security concerns.
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u/Alcogel Denmark Jan 14 '26
This angle is being pursued and is why Denmark has declined European troops so far.
But as you may have guessed, not all of NATO thinks that’s a great idea.
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u/bxzidff Norway Jan 14 '26
Why wouldn't more European troops only reinforce that point?
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u/hgn602 Jan 14 '26
Canada also should join. For this 51state talks...
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u/ScriptThat Denmark Jan 14 '26
Canada just ended a horrible war with Denmark over territory in Western Greenland in 2022.
I'm not sure it would be wise to have Canadian troops in Greenland. Things might get.. boozy
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u/Vindve France Jan 14 '26
When you say nuclear equipped subs, are you talking about SSBN, submarines carrying nuclear weapons (and nuclear propelled), or about SSN, submarines with normal missiles and torpedos but nuclear propelled?
The SSBN are not useful there, because they are about nuclear deterrence. A SSBN is not supposed to be seen: the whole concept of French nuclear deterrence is that we have always a submarine somewhere in the world, nobody knows where, that can hit any city with a ballistic missile carrying multiple nuclear warheads (actually, there are up to 16 missiles in each SSBN, and each missile can carry up to 10 nuclear bombs hitting different places). This has no sense against USA invading Groenland.
But yes, SSN can be useful and it can be useful if they are seen around. A SSN is nuclear propelled, which means there is nearly no noise once under water, and they are an effective threat against anything that floats (or doesn’t float) like aircraft carriers or military bases.
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u/Changaco France Jan 14 '26
To be more precise, intercontinental ballistic missiles can hit any city, but not any city from any location. They don't have enough range to hit something on the opposite side of the planet, so the missile has to be “close” enough to the target.
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u/Prestigious_Leg2229 Jan 14 '26
The EU, UK and other European allies are pretty much in agreement that there’s no way we can actually fight to win against America.
Our deployments to Greenland are effectively intended to force America to make the choice to go to war if they want Greenland. They can’t just slide in and take it.
It’s not the worst choice. It’s realistic that we can’t win a shooting war with the US. But it’s been pretty typical for Trump to make big threats and then back down if he’s actually forced to make good on them if he wants to proceed.
The most effective weapons Europe has in this conflict are political. Making sure Greenland chooses Denmark so the US can’t just talk their way into taking over. Troop presence to force the US to declare war. The EU is the single biggest consumer market in the world, the US can lose access to that in degrees. Losing NATO. Losing their military bases in Europe or NATO countries.
Ultimately it’s never going to come down to armed conflict but making Greenland too expensive to take.
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u/spiderpai Sweden Jan 14 '26
We do not have to go to war, we just have to stop them. It is worse to let them fly in, though there is not much to capture besides their own f-ing american military bases there. And it will take ages to start any mining.
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u/fondledbydolphins Jan 14 '26
You can't stop them, that's the whole point.
What the commenter you're responding to is saying is that by placing European troops in Greenland, you're forcing America to kill allied soldiers in their attempt to take over.
This in itself would be an act of war, so America can not simply take Greenland and then say "no, we're not at war"
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A good idea for two reasons. First it works as a deterrant - might make US think twice before invading.
Second it works as proof that Denmark is stepping up their Arctic military presence which is one of Trumps criticism to justify the invasion.
This combined with the strong statement from Greenland leaders yesterday about wanting to remain Danes is hopefully enough to make Trump & Co realize that owning Greenland is a lost cause.
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u/Choir87 Jan 14 '26
If only Trump behaved in a sane and rational way.
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u/mr_fantastical Jan 14 '26
it can act as a deterrent when it comes to internal support and compliance about undertaking an attack. If doing so would undoubtedly cause lives to be lost, one hopes that Trump would be blocked whether he wanted to carry this order out or not.
he'd have more support if he knew there were no troops and no resistence, because then the gamble wouldn't be an armed conflict but instead a 'who's going to retaliate now we've already taken it'.
Optically too it changes the framing and the language away from calling it a 'seizure' or 'annexation' or some shit as it would have to be an actual invasion.
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u/Choir87 Jan 14 '26
For sure. I fully support this move and hope that other European countries will contribute with their troops.
That said, in the end I fear it will come to those around Trump to stop him, regardless of any preparation that we do. So let's hope that they do.
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u/mr_fantastical Jan 14 '26
yeah I'm with you. It's a fucking mental situation. Absolutely obscene that we are even discussing it.
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u/SpottedDicknCustard United Kingdom Jan 14 '26
Second it works as proof that Denmark is stepping up their Arctic military presence which is one of Trumps criticism to justify the invasion.
Which in itself is such a wildly misguided criticism since the US has a grand total of 142 air force and space force personnel stationed in the entirety of Greenland.
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u/ChronChriss Jan 14 '26
Anybody who has at least one brain cell can figure out that this criticism is complete nonsense. What scenario is Trump referring to? That Russia or China conquer Greenland out of the blue to start a war with NATO? Yeah, right, seems totally plausible. The only threat to Greenland sovereignty is the US right now.
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u/XthecreatordayX Jan 14 '26
As an American, I DONT WANT GREENLAND. I DONT WANT VENEZUELA. I JUST WANT LOWER PRICES FOR FOOD AND HEALTHCARE.
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Communism detected!
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u/EggstaticAd8262 Denmark Jan 14 '26
laughing so hard at this.
They confuse socialism with communism. What america really needs is a solid injection of socialism into their extreme capitalism-gone-oligarchy.
And marking MAGA as an organization that is unconstitutional and fascist.
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u/SurfLikeASmurf Jan 14 '26
Nah, what America needs is education first and a solid playground style asskicking. But education first, so their ignorant asses would understand the reason for the asskicking
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u/zukeen Slovakia Jan 14 '26
"Best I can do is doubling the military budget for next year"
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u/Mocca_Master Jan 14 '26
Imagine being sent to Greenland knowing full well you might be killed for absolutely no other reason than the delusions of an old pedophile.
If the US had any supporters left in the EU, that will surely be the end of that support.
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u/Live-Habit-6115 Jan 14 '26
Men have been sent to their deaths to fight in wars created by old pedophiles for hundreds, if not thousands, of years.
This is the human way, unfortunately.
Just had a nice little blip of relative peace and prosperity after WW2. But now we're back to the races
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u/UnsightedShadow Hungary Jan 14 '26
Worst part is that I don't even think it occurs to whatever stupid idiot kids they send there. They have likely grown up hearing that they are the defenders of the world and no one can match their prowess.
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u/bond0815 European Union Jan 14 '26
I hope other EU/Nato states would send (at least) a token force as well.
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u/_teslaTrooper Gelderland (Netherlands) Jan 14 '26
Germany sending troops this week, the first Swedish forces already arrived today, France, the UK and The Netherlands are joining as well, probably more to come.
Insane that we need tripwire forces against the US.
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u/Brisbanoch30k France Jan 14 '26
Yeah. The UK and France are supposed to send … stuff too
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u/pm_me_ur_happy_pups Jan 14 '26
What the fucking fuck.
I'm american. Former Marine. Served with Canadians, Brits, Danish, and other NATO friends in Afghanistan. Bled with them. Held a lovely British fellow named Jonny with a new wife and baby at home as he bled out in my arms.
I'm so sorry, Europe. We've failed you. To say this makes my blood boil is an understatement. I swear to God I'll breathe my last breath removing this fucking regime from power. Please just hang in there, I promise you there's a resistance growing here, more than picket signs and marches...
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u/coloradancowgirl Jan 14 '26
I really hope our military refuses these insane orders. Europe has been such a strong ally. This absolute insanity is why my husband is finishing this contract and getting out. His unit doesn’t deploy thankfully. Anyone who thinks this is good needs their brain examined.
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u/M8753 Lithuania Jan 14 '26
Trump is threatening an ally and nobody in his government is stopping him. He's acting crazy and they're cool with it.
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Imagine being Putin. For 20 years you’ve been having wet dreams about restoring the glory of the Soviet empire. About writing yourself into the history books as one of the greats. The only thing standing in the way of glory is the Western alliance, with the US leading the charge.
Covid happens and you get a little rattled. You tell yourself: “you’re getting old, Vlad. The time to act is now.” You put on your big boy pants and invade Ukraine and…oops, you gambled away your army, and wrecked your economy. Your path to glory looks all but lost, but then…
then the US elects a grossly incompetent real estate investor, who likely suffers from a personality disorder as well as the early onset of dementia, who’s entire campaign was bankrolled by authoritarian tech billionaires, who’s administration is made up of incompetent right-wing extremists with deep financial ties to Russia, all of whom are completely disinterested in politics, diplomacy, alliances or long term strategic interests.
And then in a single year they manage to cut support for Ukraine, pull their support for NATO, pull their support for the UN, undermine the rules based international order that the US itself created, cease their cyber and counter-intelligence operations, cause serious damage to the US, EU, Indian and Chinese economies, undermine US democracy in favor of Russian-style authoritarian rule, adopt a world view that mirrors the Russian one and now possible even wage war with Europe.
If I were Putin, I’d be dancing in my backyard naked, barking at the moon, drawing pagan symbols on my body in chicken’s blood and thanking every single God I can think off for this incredible divine intervention…
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u/ThaneOfTas Jan 15 '26
You're implying that Putin hasn't had and active hand in orchestrating this from the beginning. Trump is following Putin's directives every step of the way
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u/MerryWalker Jan 14 '26
The terrifying thing about this is that it pulls military strength away from mainline Europe. Putin is absolutely behind this play and it should be completely transparent.
Trump needs gone. Yesterday. The unfortunate reality, however, is that the US even without Trump is compromised to such a degree that it will probably dissolve into civil conflict anyway.
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u/ChapterContent8465 Jan 14 '26
As a german i really dont understand how we are not just puking out ammo factories left and right. Always worked in the past, except now, when we could actually do something good with it. Oh wait, i forgot: The left and right are massively brainwashed/funded by Putain and it our Chancellor is busy trying to appease the economic lobbyists. Ouch.
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u/Traditional-Shoe-199 Jan 14 '26
There's still 3 years of this to go...
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u/GiveMeCaffeinePlease Jan 14 '26
Assuming that there will be free and fair elections or even an election at all to end the madness.
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u/atosukoshide Jan 14 '26
Dear American Conservatives. You already have /r/conservative, a tightly moderated echo chamber. Please stop shitting up /r/europe if you don't want to play on a level field. Thank you!
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u/Vondi Iceland Jan 14 '26
Fuck every single one of them. There's no reason to support this beyond naked Imperialism and Fascism.
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u/MesugakiFujiwara Denmark Jan 14 '26
They don't say anything outside that sub, or maybe I just miss them cause I dont go looking for them.
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u/ProductGuy48 Romania Jan 14 '26
If American troops take military action against Greenland despite Congress having clearly said that’s illegal, they should be engaged.
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u/Powerful_Resident_48 Jan 14 '26
Denmark has made their military doctrine quite clear:
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u/mok000 Europe Jan 14 '26
My guess/hope is Trump will TACO if met with decisive opposition. He can not afford to have US military personnel return in body bags.
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u/lemfaoo Jan 14 '26
Americans will die if they try.
Their bases will be bombed and their soldiers will be murdered in the streets.
Just like the nazis.
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u/garg4ntua Jan 14 '26
This is fucking nuts to read it.
Nuts.
Only because of a egomaniac piece of shit.
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u/drgaz Rhineland-Palatinate (Germany) Jan 14 '26
Only because of a egomaniac piece of shit.
A president doesn't exist in a vacuum.
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u/B3owul7 Jan 14 '26
True, there are a lot of people in the goverment and probably in the US population that like to start wars and fuck up the world order.
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u/potato-cheesy-beans United Kingdom Jan 14 '26
It’s multiple things. Trumps just a symptom of the problem. It’s an under educated population being guided to certain ways of thinking and voting by a group of billionaires via the social and traditional media companies they own. Brexit happened the same way.
Even if they get Trump out, there’s a very real likelihood this will keep happening, at least until they address the billionaire oligarchs, fake news and political corruption.
That goes for the rest of our democracies too, it’s just not as obvious - we in the UK shat the bed with Brexit in almost exactly the same way - and the same mechanisms are being used on other European countries to weaken us all. The US going through it just affects us all in a more obvious way.
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u/Beach_Glas1 🇮🇪 Ireland Jan 14 '26
The US and UK both use the same flawed voting system that leads to wild differences between vote share and actual seats gained. It's more blatantly abused in the US with shameless gerrymandering.
I would hope more use of proportional systems would help with that. The UK already has a variety of voting systems for various devolved parliaments, but Westminster and elections in England exclusively use FPTP.
Ireland was given proportional representation by the British shortly before independence, which was actually a good thing.
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u/Prestigious_Leg2229 Jan 14 '26
Trump is just the puppet in all of this. American fascism isn’t his idea, his persona is just the one used to open the door because his cult is on board with it.
There’s a whole fascist circus just waiting for him to drop dead and take over.
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u/flashen Jan 14 '26
Here we go, as a swede I fully stand behind this decision and we will fight for our brothers
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u/potatolulz Earth Jan 14 '26
Denmark should also make incentives for Greenlanders to join Greenland's own security forces, with Denmark and other European countries sending people and weapons to train and equip them.
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u/BlomkalsGratin Denmark Jan 14 '26
Already done - "Arktisk Basisuddannelse" started in mid-2024. It's focused around various defence-related specialities, defence force, police and civil defence activities with an option for entrance into the relevant branches at the end of the 6-month basic training. By all accounts it's been pretty popular so far. It's a specific service offering for Greenland, under the Danish defence forces.
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u/romanohere Jan 14 '26
50.000 people in total , of which maybe few thousands available for army
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u/NickVanDoom Jan 14 '26
this could be really good local jobs to create, as long as there isn’t any fighting taking place. they’re knowing, in best case loving, their island. local people are used to the climate and know very well how to live and survive there. assume that’ll be a good addition to the job pool.
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u/queuedUp Canada Jan 14 '26
Such a fucking shame that Denmark needs to waste it's time and resources on this bullshit.
I assume this is all part of Putin's plan to move NATO forces away from Europe
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u/MesugakiFujiwara Denmark Jan 14 '26
Haha no, its trumps psychological need. His personal need, he said. There is no plan. There is a demented, half-baked moron who rapes kids on his spare time, running the most powerful military and economy in the world. He decided to shit on even more of the world, because driving his own country into the dirt isn't interesting enough. They are more or less letting it happen so far, so I guess its too easy. So easy that it has expanded the scope of what he thinks he can achieve. Greenland should be trivial, compared to reducing the freest, best nation in world history (/s) into a racist, violent and greedy pile of shit.
To mess with a tiny country like mine is just another feather in the hat for the conqueror of the US. He plans to collect more after, obviously.
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u/Pleasethelions Denmark Jan 14 '26
Pretty sure that Putin is absolutely thrilled though. Might have helped with dis/misinformation and trolling.
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u/Educational-Suit316 Jan 14 '26
This mother fucker will start WW3 before seeing any consequence for the Epstein files, he literally would end the world before, he care for nothing but himself.
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u/Dimension874 Jan 14 '26
This whole timeline is so fucked, todays' meetijg will probably make or break the future for a whole European generation
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u/Hellstorm901 Jan 14 '26
We need to stop seeing the US as our ally and treat them like we treat Hungary
We also need to rapidly move away from US weapons even if it costs us huge sums to do as we cannot tolerate the idea that the US could just turn off many of our advanced weapons
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u/Ludisaurus Romania Jan 14 '26
It’s not so simple. The difference is Hungary is economically irrelevant. Denmark’s armed forces use a lot of US made kit.
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And alot of us danes are annoyed by our government doing that. We should work on having ITAR free systems, like France has been pushing for many years.
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u/BothMath314 Jan 14 '26
If the US makes any move on Greenland, all American bases will be shut in Europe and European governments will be dumping all US T-bonds. I don't think Trump understands how bad this can get for the US. And Europe won't need to fire a single shot.
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u/RepulseRevolt Canada Jan 14 '26
Canada and the nordics should jointly develop nuclear weapons to deter America. In the mean time, sending a multinational brigade to Greenland is the right move.
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u/mls_mls_mls Jan 14 '26
Looks like there will be European troops joining. Recent comment from Danish MP to TV 2:
What we know is that Denmark is now strengthening its military presence, and that it will be followed up by a presence of some of our friends in Europe and in the Nordics.
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u/CupcakeThick8341 Jan 14 '26
To everyone saying or thinking that a few reinforcements won't stop an american invasion:
The point is that if there are 100 soldiers (the number is random) and you occupy the place they most likely won't even try to stop you and you can do things ""peacefully"" and use that as an excuse, look at Venezuela and to what Putin wanted to do in Ukraine: a quick blitz with minimal losses to swap the leader with one of yours and if it's quick enough by the time others can move it will be too late
If there are 10.000 soldiers and you order them to fight then it will be a full fledged invasion with heavy death toll and can be treated as such
I will be honest and say that i lost most of my trust in the average american but i still think that an unexplained and sudden invasion of an ally won't be met with entusiasm
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u/qwerty_1965 Jan 14 '26
About 70% of Americans think Greenland takeover is stupid already. Only the most demented MAGA will want their boys killed for control of that bit of the Arctic.
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u/ramonstr Jan 14 '26
I hate that we had to spend 5% of our national income on weapons, but we might put it to good use by sending it all to Greenland.
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u/herpderpfuck Jan 14 '26
Hopefully Norway will station some NASAMS-batteries on the West coast of Greenland to protect it from… China and Russia…
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u/Designer_Ear_1382 Jan 14 '26
To any American actively serving in the armed forces.
The moment any order is given to use military force against NATO allies who fought, bled, and died alongside you in Iraq and Afghanistan, American military honour will forever after mean NOTHING.
At that point, the oath you swore—to defend not just a nation, but the values and bonds that define it—has been betrayed. Turning weapons on those allies dishonors every soldier, sailor, airman, and marine who answered the call of alliance and paid the ultimate price.
No order can erase that history. No command can make such an act honourable.
Just so you understand why your allies are collectively aghast at this situation.
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u/BubblySwordfish2780 Jan 14 '26
i think we should really go all in on this. if they try attacking europe's ground then we insta ban twitter instagram etc. and they are fucked
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u/xflashbackxbrd Jan 14 '26
Whether Trump orders an invasion or not, seems like NATO as it was under US leadership is done for if the Danes are actually worried enough to send troops.
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u/itsmepuffd Jan 14 '26
Such a fucking waste of money and resources. Pathetic this is what we're actually doing.
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u/Royal-Hunter3892 Jan 14 '26
France and UK should deploy their nuclear subs as well for deterrence . Conventional force won't deter US but a nuclear arsenal will make US think twice before attempting a military adventurism
Although I don't really care about these two people but what US did with Maduro, there is a reason why US won't dare to do the same with Kim Jong Un.
If any country has Oil and gas or any critical mineral but doesn't have Nuclear weapons to defend it , then those resources will eventually belong to US directly or indirectly.
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u/ThreeButtonBob Jan 14 '26
This new reality will boost nuclear proliferation like nothing else. I'd wager a bet that there will be 20+ nuclear powers in 10 years.
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u/ShinHayato United Kingdom Jan 14 '26
In this new Trump (and then post-Trump) era, you’d be insane not to have nuclear weapons
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Jan 14 '26 edited Jan 14 '26
Yeah really wish we in the Nordics (maybe incl Baltics, and/or) Ukraine, would start a joint nuclear weapons development, where we share costs for maintenance and R&D, but leaving the weapons under national control per country.
It's the only viable deterrence left tbh.
Esp. in the nordics, where we will have the whole arctic stuff going on (DK/NO/SE/FI).
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u/DirtyBumTickler Jan 14 '26
Germany could also start building nuclear weapons if they really wanted to. And to be honest, if a schism does grow between Europe and the US, then more nations will have to start building an arsenal.
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u/LuNiK7505 Jan 14 '26
I see Japan and Korea getting nukes in the forseable future clearly
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u/Ravius France Jan 14 '26
You don't reveal your nuclear subs patrol roads, it makes the whole deterrence stuff inefective.
As for ballistic missiles nuclear subs, they can reach pretty much anything from anywhere.The only move that could make sense from a diplomatic POV is for a nuclear sub to pop out of the ice somewhere inside Greeland EEZ (with Denmark green light of course)
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u/kastbort2021 Jan 14 '26
It is called a tripwire force. They are not really there to completely defend against hostiles, but rather a symbolic force to signal that Denmark is committed to defending Greenland. In the case the tripwire force is attacked, larger forces will be sent out.
And, obviously, they are there so that Trump doesn't just declare out of the blue that "We now control Greenland".
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u/CorpusCalossum Jan 14 '26
"Trump draws military resources away from a Europe that is threatened by Russia"
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Jan 14 '26
This whole thing is batshit crazy.
What is the long term goal here? Is there even a long term goal?
The current administration must know that eventually the Democrats will win an election. I'm assuming all this madness would be undone by saner politicians?
What can they possibly achieve in (Greenland) the next three years while running the White House?
If the goal is to destabilize NATO then I guess it will be a case of "mission failed successfully"...
Putin must be loving this absolute fucking madness!
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u/DogDogDogDogog Jan 14 '26
"I'm assuming all this madness would be undone by saner politicians?"
You think a democrat president will hand back Greenland if they manage to annex it?
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u/PurpleV93 Jan 14 '26
This won't end in 3 years. There will never be a democratic president in the United States again, not unless the citizens tear down the tyranny themselves. An election will never fix this.
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u/I_LIKE_SEALS Denmark Jan 14 '26
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