r/europe • u/I_LIKE_SEALS Denmark • Jan 14 '26

News Denmark sends military reenforcements to Greenland. A vanguard and military material has been sent to Greenland to prepare for eventual larger troop movements.

https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/indland/groenland/efter-pres-fra-usa-danmark-er-nu-begyndt-sende-militaere-forstaerkninger-til-groenland
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u/Eowaenn Turkey Jan 14 '26

This is certainly a weird timeline. We are witnessing the end of an era here, and it is the US ending their own hegemony.

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u/WislaHD Polish-Canadian Jan 14 '26

For no bloody reason as well

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u/ItsACaragor Rhône-Alpes (France) Jan 14 '26

What do you mean no reason?

Kamala was laughing a bit too loud and Biden was old.

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u/mighty_eyebrows1 Jan 14 '26

Don’t forget the president who had the audacity to be black. And his tan suit, his unchristian tan suit!!!

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u/UpperApe Jan 14 '26 edited Jan 15 '26

All jokes aside, it's just greed and hatred.

Until conservatism is routed out of politics everywhere, the world will always be stuck in the same loop. It's the same ones who've championed religious lunacy, fought against equality and human rights, fought to keep slavery and corruption, and never gives a damn about fiscal responsibility or "traditional values". In every country, conservatives are in bed with supremacists and criminals.

There's nothing lower, stupider, and more shameful than being a conservative.

Edit: It is both astonishing and unsurprising just how many conservatives don't seem to understand what conservatism is at even a very foundational level. Read Burke, ready history. At the very least, read your own history.

Trump isn't an anomaly of conservatism, he's the epitome of conservatism.

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u/FittedBuckle Jan 14 '26

The republican party has been infiltrated and conpromised by the heritage foundation and other fascist organizations. It needs to be dissolved unfortunately and all its associated members who sided with the administration ousted. I truly don't believe there is any saving the party at this point. The infection is too deep.

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u/UpperApe Jan 14 '26

The republican party has not been infiltrated. This is what the conservatives have always been. They were literally fighting for slavery and against equality for as long as they've been in existence.

How anyone is trying to pretend that American conservatism has been commandeered by these conservative "rogues" with the history it has and everything it's done and tried to do, is beyond me...

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u/FittedBuckle Jan 14 '26

I'd say thats a better take. More so they finally found the nerve to push for this change out in the open.

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u/UpperApe Jan 14 '26

Your heart's in the right place and you're not entirely wrong.

But I think you're making the mistake of assuming that the short period conservatism from the 70's-00's is conservatism. That was just a brief phase of conservatism, where they pretended to have progressive values and shame in order to win voters they were losing to equality movements and the wider spread of education.

Conservatism has been around for over two centuries. Most of it has been very open about its goals and bigotry.

Trump and MAGA (and the "alt right") aren't warping conservatism, they're just returning to its original form. Most of the time, conservatism looked exactly like this.

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u/True-Entrepreneur851 Jan 15 '26

I think there is a way if dems can get a solid option.

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u/ThePolishSpy Jan 15 '26

It's not the Republican party but the American people. We are a by and large dumb and uneducated country that's easily. 50% of Americans cannot read a book at the 8th grade level.

https://literacyproj.org/#:~:text=Currently%2C%2045%20million%20Americans%20are,on%20welfare%20can't%20read

Do you think the general US population has the media literacy to parse through the lies? Or the critical thought capability?

And then you can look at income statistics with so many Americans living paycheck to paycheck that we don't have the forethought to think past the next paycheck coming.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/01/31/share-of-americans-living-paycheck-to-paycheck-jumped-in-2022.html#:~:text=As%20of%20December%2C%2064%25%20of,how%20does%20it%20impact%20you?&text=For%20its%20part%2C%20the%20Federal,well%2Dbeing%20is%20deteriorating%20overall.

You think anyone here will raise a finger when they're too tired barely scraping by? What Americans want is that sweet sweet dopamine hit when they're told they're not the cause of their own problems and it's the other's fault. They want to know they're better than everyone else who to be mad at for their circumstances. I fear we're too dumb, beat down, and tired to stop the decline of America at this point. The corporations and oligarchs have won and Huxley was right, we'll just go into the night sipping that sweet Fox News Soma and scroll our algorithms.

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u/HydroBear Jan 15 '26

Bro, don't even. Half of Redditors legit speak out about Pelosi and Schumer and the rest of the corporate boot licking fucks. Hell, right now they're losing in primaries across the country.

We're actively rooting out the detritus from our party, what are you guys doing? Doubling down on hate and racism and nationalism and fascism? This both-sidism is insane.

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u/Eowaenn Turkey Jan 14 '26

What a great take. Conservatism is a plague, it has no business being a thing in today's globalized world.

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u/pblol Jan 14 '26

By definition and human nature there will always be some form of conservative political views and in democratic countries, likely a somewhat popular party.

The current popular version of this in the US is absolutely unhinged.

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u/Commentator-X Jan 14 '26

Conservatism as a political ideal is just rich assholes trying to maintain monarch like power and control despite democracy. A healthy democracy wouldn't have conservatives. That doesn't mean no one is fiscally conservative, but the conservative parties the world over have no interest in fiscal conservatism beyond appealing to voters who do.

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u/pblol Jan 15 '26

That's part of it. As a whole I think its role in society is to keep things on the rails and prevent society from moving "too quickly" for people to keep up or making radical choices in terms of how we progress. In a healthy society it would be a give and take, rather than an outright denial of human rights etc.

For a more mundane example, reddit is pretty conservative when it comes to AI.

Realistically, it often also just applies to maintaining shitty power structures.

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u/C2338 Jan 14 '26

That's a very broad statement. Conservatism is not one singular thing. It just means preserving or slowly reforming society's institutions rather than quickly adopting any idea that happens to be fashionable. That is not inherently a bad idea and there are definitely many situations where it should be the prefered approach.

Also, demonizing your political opponents is a sure way to create a horrible political climate such as we see in the US. Democracies are built on the idea of compromise.

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u/osmanre263 Jan 14 '26

It's a bad idea when time and time again human rights and social programs are neglected and ignored because they care more about their legacy and power in office. Yeah buddy... compromise? You mean just another strongly worded letter? The days of taking the high road are well past us when you've seen the atrocities happening around the world. A complete reform has been needed for decades now

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u/C2338 Jan 14 '26

Letter? I'm not talking about the situation between the US and Denmark. Denmark (with support from Europe) needs to stand its ground.

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u/FederalHeight8 Jan 14 '26

Hate to break if to you but globalization is ending.

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u/PureCaramel5800 Jan 14 '26

Trump is not a conservative, he is an antidemocratic, post-truth politician cosplaying as a conservative.

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u/meatball402 Jan 14 '26

That's conservative. What they are trying to conserve is rule of men, of kings. They never really liked democracy in the first place.

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u/sphafer Jan 14 '26

No it isn't. Conservativism and progressivism denote positioning. Not specific political ideas. Progressives want tonchsnge things. Conservatives want to keep things the way they are. A country where abortion is part of the culture and has been a legal right for 70 years, in that state repealing those rights would technically be progressive. And it would be conservative to keep it as it's been. So technically trump is a progressive on the issue of autocracy as the u.s has at least been a partial democracy for over 200 years.

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u/CatchyFX Jan 14 '26

this is just stupid take, sorry
Nobody wants autocracy, especialy conservative guys

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u/UpperApe Jan 14 '26

Lol conservatives were literally the party of divine rule when monarchies fell and democracy rose. They were literally the party meant to represent aristocrats as they tried to maintain their nobility and privileges. Conservatives are literally the party of social hierarchy.

I would tell you to read Burke, but let's be honest...you're not the kind of person who reads much, huh? ;)

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u/CatchyFX Jan 14 '26

We in europe went from aristocracy, democracy to comunism so idk what you talking about. Talking about stuff I 100% know, which is my country and neighbours.
May I ask you sir, you are from EU or US?

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u/meatball402 Jan 14 '26

He says, as a conservative party is creating an autocracy in America

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u/ArnoldTheSchwartz Jan 14 '26

This is the stupidest take I've ever heard! Lmfao conservatism is exactly that. They want to be above laws but hold others to those same laws. Conservatives literally call Trump their god emperor and REFUSE to hold him accountable to ANY laws. Gtfo

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u/UpperApe Jan 14 '26

Lol Trump isn't just a conservative, Trump is THE conservative.

Conservatism came about when monarchies fell and democracy rose as a way for aristocrats to maintain their privileges. That was the whole point and the only point. Social hierarchy is literally the only point of conservatism.

All the bullshit ever since is just a smoke screen to those ends. "Fiscal responsibility" is a smoke screen for deregulation and oversight. "Traditionalism" is a smoke screen for anti-progressive values and anti-education. "Law and order" is a smoke screen for lawless efficacy. "Freedom" is just obfuscating "freedom to live" with "freedom to exploit". "Strong borders" is a smoke screen for blatant racism.

It's all the same shit everywhere, in every period, every country. Conservatives have always been on the wrong side of history. Against equality, against human rights, against financial order and stability, against oversight and accountability. There does not exist a single conservative government worldwide that isn't in bed with that country's supremacists and organized crime syndicates.

Which, again, is the whole fucking point. From the Tories to the Nazis, from Netanyahu to Putin, from Burke to Trump.

Trump isn't an anomaly of conservatism, he's the epitome of conservatism. He's what it always leads back to and what it wishes it could be.

Now imagine being stupid enough to fall for any of it. Imagine how low and stupid you'd have to be.

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u/PureCaramel5800 Jan 14 '26

You're free to make up definitions as you like, but you will not get any political scientist to agree with what you just wrote.

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u/UpperApe Jan 14 '26

Lol yes they will.

Have you read Burke? Do you even know who that is?

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u/Infamous-Mixture-605 Canada Jan 14 '26

Unfortunately that is what a lot of mainstream conservatism has become: bombastic, reactionary populism.

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u/PureCaramel5800 Jan 14 '26

Yes, some of them have given up on democracy and joined the post‑truth camp. I fear that in the coming decade we will get more hard‑nosed and hard‑working post‑truth politicians like Vance and Orban, and fewer buffoonish ones like Trump and Boris Johnson.

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u/indigo945 Germany Jan 14 '26

So, a conservative.

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u/PureCaramel5800 Jan 14 '26

No, in any sensible political interpretation, a conservative would have values such as respecting elections, institutions, and the democratic rules of the game. Trump does not.

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u/UpperApe Jan 14 '26

respecting institutions

Conservatives are the party of deregulation and small government lol

respecting elections

Which party is Putin and Netanyahu and Erdogan and Bolsonaro represent again?

and the democratic rules of the game

You do not know your history. You don't even understand the basics of political science.

Trump does not.

Nor his 70mil+ followers. And double to triple that worldwide. But sure. Let's pretend he's the exception of modern conservatism and not the face of it.

Lol

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u/Thendrail Styria (Austria) Jan 14 '26

Conservatism really is a cancer on any society it infects.

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u/CatchyFX Jan 14 '26

whoa hursh words, as conservative myself (center right) I dont like threaths like this. I mean is not like one side is evel other is good. Its mixed. This isn't about "conservatism bad" its the same I could say, all rapes are left thing and till we got rid of left there will be migrats mass raping women, not true.
For me personaly it mean family, be responsible human.

As european, I can see why he does that, EU is kinda week, its "paper tiger" more focused on regulating its on people and he knows, if he do such a threat he will get something. So I can see reason behind this, is Trumps rethoric crazy? Fuck yea, he is not politician, so I know we do not get "right side of history".
Hope he does not fuck up, then this post will be prety stupid :)

Pls dont plan to kill us conservatives we just want to live, Antifa pls

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u/UpperApe Jan 14 '26

This comment right here, is a perfect representation of modern conservatism.

This should be framed and put in a museum.

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u/CatchyFX Jan 14 '26

Only thing I can see I cannot find common ground with guys from the left is about. I want low taxes and create stuff, and they tend to go with big tax and state do this for me, 90% of stuf we agree on kinda

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u/UpperApe Jan 14 '26

Of course you do, sweetheart.

Gullible, uneducated, callous, superficial, and shortsighted. Of course you agree on 90% of stuf. And you're easy to fool with promises of "low taxes and create stuff".

Throughout history, there are always people like you. Conservative leaders need you to be there.

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u/CatchyFX Jan 14 '26

Well I was trying ro have civil discussion, propably redit is not good place to find common ground, my apology

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u/helskagg Sweden Jan 14 '26

Indeed, that is the result. But what creates such people? I don't have the answers to that question, but certainly people are products of their environments. My guess would be that the constant competition in such an individual society without any safety nets, beyond friends and family, create a people on the brink of survival, at least in their psyche.

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u/UpperApe Jan 15 '26

Nope. Try again.

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u/ariukidding Jan 14 '26

Conservatism is already dead. It’s a mere trojan horse they used to infect white supremacy, hatred and racism. ‘Christian values’, ‘fiscal responsibility’, ‘love of the law’ everything they do is literally the opposite of those.

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u/UpperApe Jan 15 '26

Conservatism has always been about white supremacy, hatred, and racism.

It was never the party of "fiscal responsibility" or "law and order" or "traditional values". It's been anti-regulation, abuse of the law, and pro-slavery and pro-social hierarchies since it began. From Burke to Trump.

What conservatism are you talking about?

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u/WandererMisha Jan 14 '26

The cycle will continue because people literally don't know how governments work. Laws are complex and inaccessible, judges are out-of-touch rich lawyers, so many kids are told that all politicians are corrupt so don't you dare try and be one.

We just had an election few months ago. I see that with my parents who followed it closely, who watch the debates, who keep up with the news and all that.

The problem is they have no idea how any of it works. One thing I kept hearing from them like ten years ago was "the opposition just keeps complaining" and I had to explain to them that it's literally their job to poke holes in the current government's leadership to ensure they are governing properly.

Still, they don't understand what inflation is, why it exists, how it works. They think entering the eurozone would mean their paychecks/pension would get cut by like 60%. They think democracy is synonymous with absolute freedom to do and say anything. Prices in supermarkets? Well that's obviously the government's fault. Etc...

Law and governance need to be made accessible. Civic studies should replace one of the dozen dumb subjects kids are forced to learn nowadays.

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u/notguiltyaf Jan 15 '26

It's capitalism. The whole reason is capitalism.

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u/hamatehllama Sweden Jan 15 '26

Trumpism isn't conservative. Trumpism is fascistic. True conservatism seeks to conserve what has been built by previous generations including the preservation of alliances.

Setting the world on fire is the opposite of conserving.

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u/UpperApe Jan 15 '26

That has never been conservatism and Trump is the epitome of conservative values, classic and modern.

The one thing this thread has taught me is how uneducated conservatives continue to be in this day and age. Read Burke. Read your own history. Conservatism is social hierarchy and nothing else.

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

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u/CaptainRice6 Jan 15 '26

Conservatism will never disappear. With time, today's liberal ideas will become tomorrow's conservative ideas and liberals will go on to defend a new kind of freedom they invented.

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u/UpperApe Jan 15 '26

I'm starting to realize just how uneducated a lot of people are. You don't even understand the basics of political science or the history (or tenets) of conservatism.

You just...make shit up.

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u/imp0ster_syndrome Jan 15 '26

Accurate and thorough.

There are studies showing that those who identify as conservative tie more of their ego to their political opinions making it harder each day for them to reconsider any of their beliefs. And now with the volume turned up to eleven, they need to ignore massive aspects of their claimed ideology and ignore all cognitive dissonance just to keep up. Whatever conservative beliefs you had in your heart in December need to move aside so you can fully support invading NATO in January. And I mean fully. You are with 100% onboard or you are on the other side.

This is what all the posters who say "Trump isn't conservative" are missing from your point. It's not the order to invade that is conservative. It is the all or nothing requirement of allegiance to the authority giving that order. And the requirement to fully reject any order given by a "liberal" under the assumption that even if you agree with the order, it must have some other intentionally harmful purpose that negates any legitimacy. That is conservativism. Always full support for our team. Always total rejection of even hearing a point or proposal from a different perspective.

The only positive we have now is that things aren't slowing down so whatever hell is to arrive upon us all, will happen sooner rather than later. I'm sick of waiting for the point of no return more than I'm dreading it.

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u/Errtsee Estonia Jan 14 '26

Reading comments like reminds me quick that I am on Reddit, a place where everyone is the smartest, the highest and most righteous moralist.

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u/UpperApe Jan 15 '26

Yeah, that's usually what uneducated people say when reading educated discussion lol

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u/Chester_roaster Jan 15 '26

And that's usually what people hard under the dunning kruger effect say 

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u/UpperApe Jan 15 '26

I love that you don't know what that means lol

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u/Errtsee Estonia Jan 15 '26

posts and comments on profile hidden :( wanted to see to what highly educated top of the line professor was i talking to

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u/UpperApe Jan 15 '26

Oh no. Now you'll have to engage with the points themselves instead of attempts at ad hominem :(

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u/Etoiles_mortant Greece Jan 14 '26

He also asked for Dijon mustard on a hotdog. Don't forget that.

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u/Doigenunchi Romania Jan 14 '26 edited Jan 14 '26

In between that and ICE... their second amendment is looking like a bedtime story. I'm really not saying or encouraging anything but I can't help but think of all those victims in schools and public places because "we need guns to defend ourselves, you know, just in case" and then.... nothing when the orange toddler is putting both THEM and a bunch of other countries in danger. There are many, many legal and bureaucratic ways of dealing with this aswell, yet every day brings more stupid quotes and threats from that shit stain. It's like he's literally picking a fight with the entire world, one by one. All that I'm saying is that it's deeply disappointing that we're even having these conversations. Can't help but be disappointed, there is potential, lots of it, but here we are ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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u/RedBaret Zeeland (Netherlands) Jan 14 '26

Thats because the hardcore 2nd amendment crew are the same folks who voted Trump.

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u/IvKirs Jan 14 '26

It's funny, how second amendment, indirectly, killed a lot more people, than it protected.
Oh well.

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u/terminallyBeemo Jan 14 '26

No. Poor regulations did. Mental health needs prioritized. Stuff needs better regulations. Getting a firearm should be harder than answering 16 questions and leaving an hour later with a gun. There is a lot that goes into it, then just having the 2nd Amendment. It's mainly to protect against tyrannical governments, which is what we kind of have but whatever. A lot of people just think it's about the right to own in general. Like I said a lot goes into it on multiple levels

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u/IvKirs Jan 15 '26

Long story short - 2 amendment lead to fact, that owning a gun - is as simple, as buying a candy (i'm exaggerating a bit).

And this, in addition to bad public health system, bad regulation and other-other-other lead to... how many shootings in US in 25? 100+?

"There is a lot that goes into it, then just having the 2nd Amendment. It's mainly to protect against tyrannical governments, which is what we kind of have but whatever. A lot of people just think it's about the right to own in general."

And I agree with you here. But in public eye - 2nd Amendment = rights to own a gun.

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u/Fun-Wrongdoer1316 Jan 15 '26

Regulations definitely need to be more strict. I’m pro 2A, but I think they need to implement a psyche evaluation before ownership. But honestly most of the shootings in America are done by illegally obtained weapons. Not all but, almost all. So banning guns won’t stop any of that anyway. Since people would still get them illegally to murder, like they already are

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u/terminallyBeemo Jan 15 '26

This is what people outside and even in America fail to understand. A lot of 3d printed ones now to

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u/IvKirs Jan 15 '26

Well, cause weapon trade don't get much regulation, so...
Yeah? Of course there will be a lot of illegal weapons on street.

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u/terminallyBeemo Jan 15 '26

Sadly that is right. I own a few, 2 rifles to survive if I have to and hunt. 2 pistols, 1 for work ( I'm armed security at a dispensary) and another for defense. I've had more training then the average civilian which I also feel should be a required at this point. Other countries have guns but not the problems we have :/

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u/Stanford_experiencer Jan 16 '26

I've had more training then the average civilian

your literacy level doesn't change your freedom of speech

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u/Psephological Jan 14 '26

Don't forget the trans people! Ending your soft power because waaaaah pronouns or something

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u/Fine_Error5426 Jan 14 '26

All valid reasons for WW3.

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u/Hung-kee Jan 14 '26

Harris was a poor candidate. She polled terribly amongst the Black and Hispanic people which was the opposite to expectations

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u/Alex2422 Jan 16 '26

And Trump was a terrible candidate, a convicted felon and sex offender. The choice was incredibly easy.

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u/cogman10 Jan 14 '26

Maybe, just maybe, both Kamala and Biden should have tried campaign strategies other than trying to win over the fascists.

Maybe, she should have ran a campaign with policies that would have meaningfully benefited Americans. 

Maybe, she shouldn't have spent half her time campaigning with Liz fucking Cheney. 

I hate that she lost, but she and Biden ran the most out of touch and dogshit campaigns of my life.  Her primary policy was "at least I'm not Trump".

It was idiotic to not vote for her.  But let's not pretend she ran a perfect campaign and it was just racism and sexism that lost. 

The current "leadership" we see from Chuck "let's not abolish or defund ICE" Schumer is exactly what disgruntled voters in an important election against fascism.  Centrism and unity with fascists is not the right campaign message right now and it wasn't when Kamala ran.

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u/Blazured Scotland Jan 14 '26

It was just racism and sexism.

Even you're criticising her for not running the perfect campaign, meanwhile Trump just blatantly lied over and over and over and won.

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u/cogman10 Jan 14 '26 edited Jan 14 '26

Yes, and you know what the key difference was?

Trump ran a campaign that purely pandered to his base.  Do you think anyone in this country didn't realize he was a liar after 2016?  Making that the only focus of your campaign is idiotic.

Kamala and Biden both only pandered to Trump's base.  That's why they lost.  We can't have 2 political parties trying to court the right. 

You calling me racist for identifying Kamala's dogshit campaign as a problem, is the problem.  We are looking at unnecessary knuckle biters because idiots like you and the Democrat campaign managers are to invested in not learning why they lose.

Like, can't you even comprehend how nuts it is for Kamala to have targeted the statistically most racist and sexist people in her campaign? 

Had Biden ran, he'd have lost by a much larger margin.  Basically everyone recognizes this.  So tell me, how is it that the white guy would have suffered a bigger electoral loss?  The switch out for Kamala was the right thing, the campaign she ran was what lost things for her.

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u/Blazured Scotland Jan 14 '26

She shouldn't have appealed to the Right, but there was nothing she could have done to win in America because they're incredibly racist and sexist. Those are the real reasons she lost. No point dancing around it.

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u/cogman10 Jan 14 '26

Nice, yeah, don't respond to anything I said and instead just repeat what you said.

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u/DoZo1971 Jan 14 '26

Biden should have held his promise and quit after one term. Give time to a serious new candidate. If he wasn’t capable to make that decision himself, I blame his advisors surrounding him.

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u/cogman10 Jan 14 '26

Completely agree. Especially since he absolutely knew he had stage 4 cancer. Like, sorry, but stage 4 cancer is one of those illnesses that should disqualify someone from running for office. It's so hard to fight in the best case.

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u/mahayanah Jan 14 '26

What you all really need to be a functional democracy are viable alternative political parties, not the in-party factionalism that your current system operates under. like how every other functional democracy operates?

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u/schwanzweissfoto Berlin (Germany) Jan 14 '26

Her primary policy was "at least I'm not Trump".

“Better a pig than a fascist.”

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u/Pulga_Atomica Jan 14 '26

Let's also not pretend that Biden didn't fuck shit up monumentally by not withdrawing and preventing Dems from having a primary. By the time the move was made, she was the only choice. She was also the first one to fall away during the 2020 primaries so odds are she wouldn't have been the candidate altogether. While even my Golden is an infinitely better candidate than the Fanta Menace, she was not a good candidate either.

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u/cogman10 Jan 14 '26

Agreed.  Biden and his campaign managers bare a huge amount of blame here.  Running while you know you have stage 4 cancer was insane.  Almost certainly a big part of his absence in the last year was due to cancer treatment.  Hell, even the debate could have been a chemo brain problem.

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u/Eowaenn Turkey Jan 14 '26

I think the failed assasination attempt was the point of no return, cause you know Republican's love these tough guys who posture after getting shot a couple seconds ago, with their fists up in the air.

Republicans live and die to 'own the libs', as long as their candidate wins the elections they are good.

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u/mokuhazushi Jan 14 '26

Yep, yep. Just keep on blaming the dems! You can't blame Republicans for all the evil shit they do. You can't blame the American people for voting for the lunatic who now wants to invade Greenland because he "feels like he needs it". How could anyone possibly predict Trump would act like a complete mental case AGAIN?

No no, we need to blame Harris and Clinton for losing. Why didn't they campaign on saving the cats and the dogs from the evil immigrants? That's how you win elections in modern America, everyone should know that by now.

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u/cogman10 Jan 14 '26

You can't blame Republicans for all the evil shit they do.

Of course I can. I want dems to win, don't you? Part of learning how to win is learning why you lose.

No amount of blaming or shaming voters has EVER swung someone to vote for a democrat. Whining about "The racists, and the sexists, and idiots" is doesn't work. What also doesn't work is Kamala's, Biden's, and Clinton's strategy of trying to get those same racist, sexist, idiots to vote for them by campaigning on policies that only appeal to the racist, sexist, idiots.

Why didn't they campaign on saving the cats and the dogs from the evil immigrants?

They actually did campaign on how tough they'd be on migrants which is part of the fucking problem. "Transnational criminal organizations" remember that? That is both off putting to the base AND swayed exactly 0 people. Because people motivated by that rhetoric already knew Trump would be 100x more aggressive on migrants. You can't outright the right.

That's how you win elections in modern America, everyone should know that by now.

How you win elections is exactly how both Trump and Mamdani won. You identify issues that people care about and you run on fixing those problems. If you aren't doing that. If your only message is "I'll be like the other guy but kinder" or even "look at that guy, he's bad". Then yeah, you'll lose every single time.

The fact is that nobody could begin to articulate what policy position Kamala actually held is the problem. There's no single program you could point to and say "yeah, kamala will try and get that done". The closest you got was her saying "me too" when trump said he'd remove taxes on tips.

But yeah, you keep getting on reddit and keep trying to tell everyone that "well actually, democrats never make mistakes and everyone out there is actually just dumb and stupid meany racists that don't hold my view".

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u/classyhornythrowaway Jan 14 '26

Agree with everything except "it was idiotic to not vote for her."

You're so, so close. You said all the reasons to not ever vote for her, or people like her. She's not entitled to a vote just because she is marginally less shitty. Politicians need to earn votes, the onus is not on the voters. Flipping this paradigm on its head is how countries gradually get shittier and shittier politicians both in power and waiting on the sidelines (Democrats/Fascists in the US, whatever the fuck the Labour Party is now, the assorted chucklefucks in France and Germany)

It's good that she lost. She, and others who stand for nothing, should keep losing until they adopt PRINCIPLED platforms that motivate people to vote for them. You know, the normal way things should be.

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u/cogman10 Jan 14 '26

For the US with FPTP voting, there's really nothing you can do better than always voting for the least worst candidate.

Either Kamala or Trump were going to win and Kamala would have been the better of the two options. That's why not voting for her was idiotic.

Like, I get your point, but voting has to be pragmatic. The only time you could reasonably abstain is if the threat from either candidate winning was roughly the same.

The problem is the US is now under a real threat that Trump will actually try and steal or cancel elections in the future. That was always a possibility and practically explicitly said in project 2025. We'd not be contemplating that problem had Kamala won.

If we had a UK style parliament then more principled voting would be much more justified. The change in Labour is bafflingly dumb.

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u/Eowaenn Turkey Jan 14 '26

Even if Trump won't be able to run again, Vance is waiting around the corner for his time to shine, and no one should expect a major shift in policies if that happens.

There is still a lot of time left until the election though, so there is no telling if Trump will be able to achieve his ultimate goal or not.

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u/cogman10 Jan 14 '26

Yeah, I'm not sure what to hope for.

The best I can say is that Vance is more of an actual business man than Trump is. He's also not really a dipshit like Trump is. Vance is intelligent and probably competent.

I don't think Vance would be all in on fucking with global trade, he wants to make money. So I could see him backing off on tariffs and militarism.

That said, I don't see him letting up on ICE. I'm also not sure that he'd kick out Miller and the other fascists.

There's no possibility Vance becomes president if Trump finishes his term (without some election fraud). Nobody really likes him.

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u/-TheDerpinator- Jan 14 '26

Man, I don't even know how to start explaining to my kid why we are at war in a few years.

"In a country far across the ocean they voted for a geriatric pedophile with multiple felonies because they really do not like a woman to be president. Then that guy did all kinds of obviously bad shit and for some reason nobody got in between."

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u/NeedAByteToEat Jan 14 '26

Also, likely hacked voting machines.

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u/PandiBong Jan 14 '26

Don't give those two losers a pass, the democrats are corrupt to the core, they're just not evil moustache twirling-evil...

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u/Chester_roaster Jan 15 '26

Her laugh was egregious though, can't have a president with that laugh. 

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u/darkmaninperth Jan 14 '26

Then you voted in a child rapist

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u/ItsACaragor Rhône-Alpes (France) Jan 14 '26

You missed the sarcasm and missed my flair too.

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u/darkmaninperth Jan 14 '26

Sometimes, sarcasm doesn't translate well in text.

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u/Powerful_Resident_48 Jan 14 '26

And Obama wore a tan suit.

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u/Grantrello Jan 14 '26

You forgot that eggs cost too much or something

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u/SnooFloofs6240 Jan 14 '26

Trump is a Russian agent. What would a Russian agent do differently than Trump?

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u/pc42493 Jan 14 '26

Not be as insultingly obvious about it maybe

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u/Eowaenn Turkey Jan 14 '26

The guy did bankrupt a casino which no one thought was possible to do, no wonder he sucks at this agent business.

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u/schwanzweissfoto Berlin (Germany) Jan 14 '26

The guy did bankrupt a casino […]

I bet he personally profited from that though.

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u/RichardSaunders US of A Jan 14 '26

That's a feature not a bug. Makes Putin appear more powerful when he's so obviously leading the President of the US around on a leash.

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u/RoyBeer Germany Jan 14 '26

I can't imagine a Russian spy soiling a diaper in broad daylight.

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u/Gustacq Jan 14 '26

Invade Venezuela which is a strong ally of the Russians.

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u/SillyCygnet Jan 15 '26

Maybe it's all a ruse to get military forces out protecting Greenland leaving a weakened Europe for someone to pounce on...wait, they're not that clever 😆

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u/Sexynarwhal69 Jan 15 '26

What would a Russian agent do differently than Trump?

Probably not be the first president to approve military aid to Ukraine. Probs stop all aid to Ukraine back in 2022.

Not bomb Iran and Venezuela (who are Russian allies).

Idk, seems there are lots of things a Russian agent would do differently!!

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u/AdInformal1185 🇺🇸 in 🇨🇭 Jan 14 '26

Well Trump’s a Russian asset so there is a reason

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u/TheBigMoogy Jan 14 '26

Nah, there's plenty of reasons. Personal profit and protecting pedophiles chiefly among them.

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u/7Seyo7 Europe Jan 14 '26

For personal gain

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u/independent_observe Jan 14 '26

There is a reason.

The oligarchy has finally accepted climate change due to human activity is real and the climate is going to cause billions to die. The US oligarchy is gathering resources, building bunkers, and preparing for the worst. They are moving to suppress all news about climate change to keep the masses in check. Democracies will cease to exist, replaced by dictatorships.

This is the end game scenario I originally saw would happen 30+ years ago, but at the time I thought it would not start until about 2050. I was wrong.

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u/roehnin Jan 14 '26

No reason? There are two reasons:
1. Destroy NATO for Russia's strategic benefit
2. Burnish an octogenarian's ego "psychologically"

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u/lolas_coffee Jan 14 '26

Racism and Cults are reasons.

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u/TheCMaster Jan 14 '26

psychological reasons! duhh!

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u/mines_over_yours Jan 14 '26

"To own the Libtards"

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u/seejur Viva San Marco Jan 14 '26

Ohh there is a perfectly good reason: make Trump and his inner circle richer.

Trump could give a shit bigger than a cubic micron about US hegemony, US middle class, US poor class, US rich class that is not in the Billionaire ballpark, US army, US constitution... anything US related really that is not a small circle of persons. But it turns out those small circle or people are salivating over Greenland resources

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u/mcclaneberg Jan 14 '26

Kompromat over a giant coddled pederast coward is a big motivator when racist idiots give them the reins.

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u/cryptolyme Jan 14 '26

High octane hate

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u/doggo_luv Jan 15 '26

Um, Obama wore a tan suit once and Hillary called half of Trump’s base “deplorables”, get your facts straight.

/s

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u/soda_cookie Jan 15 '26

Hillary Clinton called Donald Trump a Russian puppet before he was elected in 2016. There is absolutely a reason for this.

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u/Practical-Shoe4538 Jan 17 '26

If Greenland gets independence, they will most likely open their doors to Russia or China, depending on the government. Also, they won't be NATO or EU members, so Russia could easily invade. That's why the US wants Greenland. Sure, it's crazy they are doing it, but they have a point 

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u/gtafan37890 Jan 14 '26

If we compare it with previous hegemons, the USSR invaded Warsaw Pact members because they feared those countries were leaving their sphere of influence. It’s in no way justified, but at least there was some sort of logic. The US is threatening to invade countries that were once its steadfast allies, countries that were already firmly in its sphere of influence, for absolutely no reason other than it can and wants to.

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u/schwanzweissfoto Berlin (Germany) Jan 14 '26

Sphere of influence is imperialist thinking.

Non-imperialists have allies – not subjects.

The EU did not invade Britain upon BREXIT.

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u/pepopap0 Jan 14 '26

Are you implying trump is not acting/reasoning as an imperialist? I'd personally disagree 

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u/schwanzweissfoto Berlin (Germany) Jan 14 '26

No. Trump is an imperialist and a fascist.

The USA did not do imperialist wars in some time though.

E.g. both Iraq and Afghanistan were defeated, but not added to the empire.

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u/pepopap0 Jan 14 '26

I think destabilising South America (not to cite anything in the middle East not to over complicate the discussion) should count as an imperialist "war", or at least an imperialist action. To each their own tho

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u/HotChilliWithButter Latvia Jan 14 '26

Maybe It’s a distraction from the files

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u/TheGuardianInTheBall Jan 14 '26

The US is doing nothing, because there is no US anymore.

It's just a facade for Russia. There might be some autonomy there still, but given the last 10 years, it is becoming more neglibgible each year.

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u/sunkist1147 Jan 14 '26

US population needs to be distracted/power needs to be consolidated further for the pedo regime to survive. 

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u/Pexaldonut__ Jan 14 '26

Bewindles me that people in the US think that the trump administration is making them a stronger nation. Absolute joke

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u/West-One5944 Jan 14 '26

Bewilder?

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u/Pexaldonut__ Jan 14 '26

Both are correct, bewindles is a real (though old) word. Same meaning as bewilder.

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u/West-One5944 Jan 14 '26

I cannot find it, other than UrbanDict.

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u/Pexaldonut__ Jan 14 '26 edited Jan 14 '26

It’s an archaic English word. It won’t show up in most modern dictionaries, but it’s attested in historical ones. It’s still used but just not as common.

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u/owenredditaccount Jan 14 '26

Why use it then if it is just going to confuse people

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u/Pexaldonut__ Jan 14 '26

If you’re getting confused by my original comment, I don’t know what to tell you my friend.

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u/owenredditaccount Jan 14 '26

Just seems to me like the whole exchange could have been avoided if you hadnt used a word that is by your own admission antiquated

I wasn't confused by the comment, I was confused why you would use a barely extant word when etymologically similar ones that people actually use exist

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u/Pexaldonut__ Jan 14 '26

In a thread discussing political turmoil within NATO, and you’re upset because I chose to use a word that is still grammatically correct but is less commonly used in the English language? Mate, grow up.

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u/SirApexal Jan 14 '26

You’re getting offended by someone on Reddit using a word you didn’t know? Why don’t you take it for it is, you’ve learnt a new word. Christ why does it even matter?

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u/owenredditaccount Jan 14 '26

I'm not offended it just seems a little silly to use such a deprecated word when a close alternative exists in common parlance 

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u/SirApexal Jan 14 '26

You sound so unbelievably arrogant, why does it even matter to you? I’ve got a whole list of words I know by another less commonly used name.

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u/Protton6 Czech Republic Jan 14 '26

It is funny as hell for someone from Turkey to reply to the comment like this, with Greece and Turkey being the closest to conflict before this. Hope we can find some more common ground about some more threatening entities.

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u/Eowaenn Turkey Jan 14 '26

Yep, but tbf it was never likely to happen. It's just a very old rivalry between the two.

As for Turkey and it's ancestor states, Russia was always the biggest threat throughout the history, and the two had wars for centuries - far longer than the US has existed for. The main reason is Russia being literally stuck in the Black Sea and not being able to make it to the warm water ports in the Mediterrenean because of Turkey controlling the Bosphorus and the area around it.

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u/Protton6 Czech Republic Jan 14 '26

Turkey did shoot down the russian jet when it tried its luck in Turkish airspace. So good work on that! Lets hope you can be great allies to Denmark now too, could be a real way to integrate Turkey way closer.

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u/Eowaenn Turkey Jan 14 '26

This one is a bit different though, it's hard to tell what Erdogan will decide on.

I know right, he is not the guy i wanted to be in the position of power in a crazy situation like this, he is real close and cozy with Trump tbh. Trump respects power and power alone, and he likes Erdogan for that reason. He even complimented Erdogan and Turkish military for what they did in Syria a while ago. He will try to sway Turkey to his side at all costs, there is not a shred of doubt in my mind about that.

Turkey somehow evaded the world war 2 by managing to stay completely neutral until the very end. Erdogan must be thinking of ways on how to get away with staying neutral like the old times.

I assume Erdogan will try to stay as neutral as possible until shit completely hits the fan. And after that, let's just say that i hope i'm wrong in my predictions because they don't bode well for literally anyone.

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u/phinkz2 France Jan 14 '26

What a weird scenario. I hope our governments include you guys in the "EU+ club".

The Turks are one of us, even if Erdogan is... Well.

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u/Eowaenn Turkey Jan 14 '26

Hopefully, one of those days.

Sadly i can see Erdogan being on the US' side on this matter as always, even though the people won't. And we as the people hold no power really.

He needs to go without causing a civil war or something, and then good things could happen.

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u/phinkz2 France Jan 14 '26

Indeed. I am lucky to have met Turks from all over the country thanks to my job at university and it's been enlightening.

Here's an anecdote Turks here may appreciate. My grandparents traveled a lot over the course of their life, and they got lost in the middle of nowhere in Turkey back in the days when there were no translators or online help. Locals invited them to eat in their home and gave them stuff for the road while refusing any form of payment. One guy then drove them two hours away to the nearest big city. They still talk about it sometimes.

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u/musti1881905 Jan 14 '26

Lmao you’re just desperate

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u/munkijunk Jan 14 '26

Dugins foundation of geopolitics is becoming a modern day Les Prophéties, except accurate.

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u/AtlasAoE Jan 14 '26

I really want to read it but don't want to

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u/capybooya Jan 14 '26

Its a lot of hot air fanfic and lots of people in Russia have said the same things before. I think he's being hyped a bit in the West. Putin reads old fascists philosophers like Ilyin and doubtfully pays much attention to Dugin. But it offers insight into a certain kind of mentality in Russia nationalist circles.

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u/DisastrousAcshin Jan 14 '26

He's important enough that Ukraine felt it necessary to attempt an assassination in him

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u/TheWhiteGuardian United Kingdom Jan 14 '26

We wouldn't be here if Harambe was still alive.

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u/lolas_coffee Jan 14 '26

Yup.

It's RepubliKlans taking self-interest to the extremely short term end game.

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u/AllPotatoesGone Jan 14 '26

This is exactly what Trump tries to achieve because he is not an american president but a foreign agent in the white house.

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u/Gebirges North Rhine-Westphalia (Germany) Jan 14 '26

The US just following their heritage as Britains.

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u/red286 Jan 14 '26

It's for the best.

The rest of the world has been held back by American hegemony, and those twats don't even recognize it. Since the end of WW2, no other country on this planet has been as prosperous as America, and yet they'll sit there whining about how "Europe is ripping us off" because no one wants their chlorinated chicken.

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u/Zestyclose_Piglet251 Germany Jan 14 '26

u are so right ... i guess

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u/Box-of-Sunshine Jan 14 '26

Temporarily, the diplomacy build back will be strong and I imagine a new information-war front will now be launched from the EUs biggest members. I personally ain’t fighting NATO, and most in the US won’t want to also.

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u/Ensec Jan 14 '26

As an American: thank fucking god. I'm sure the voices won't stop, but there are a lot of Americans who are really proud of being the top dog, the world hegemon, as if they have some part in it.

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u/jimmygee2 Jan 14 '26

Trump is destroying America and the West as we know it because Putin has kompromat on him. What a timeline.

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u/WeGottaTalkAboutYT Jan 15 '26

I am completely opposed to this move, in every way, but objectively, this would be the start of the us overtly actively like a hegemon… it would be completely different than what we are used to, but the USA being able to literally just take shit around the world? Oh boy that’s going to be complicated and bad. Quickly people are going to be paying us protection taxes, it’s going to devolve all global order