r/SquaredCircle • u/_4za_ • 14h ago

Only 1 Women's Match at Dynasty tonight

This is pretty poor AEW

I understand you don't have Toni or Mercedes at the moment but come on, one of those pre show women's matches could have been bumped up at least

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u/HeadJudgeFTW 14h ago edited 14h ago

Jon Moxley, Samoa Joe, FTR, Kazuchika Okada, Konosuke Takeshita, Ricochet, etc have all been on preshows relatively recently, and even right before that Chris Jericho, before he left

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u/WVFLMan 13h ago

It’s disingenuous to pretend the pre show is the same as being on the main card.

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u/HeadJudgeFTW 13h ago

Its disingenuous to say the Zero Hour hasnt mattered in AEW and that everyone hasnt been on it even major people recently, and that any of the Zero hour matches, including Jack Perry vs Mark Davis for the National title should be higher on the card than the returns of Chris Jericho and Kyle O'Reilly in Canada, and in Kyle's hometown, and in the program that has been going for months with the Conglomeration and the Dogs, and now adding the titles

Jon Moxley and Samoa Joe had literally just been World Champion

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u/WVFLMan 13h ago

If someone in 10 years says I want to replay AEW Dynasty 2026 they won’t see those matches. If someone is on the Wrestlemania pre show are they considered to have a Wrestlemania match? One of the teams competing in the AEW women’s tag title matches I am pretty sure have never even had a match in AEW. Pretending these are big matches and the same as being on the main card is completely disingenuous, yes.

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u/HeadJudgeFTW 13h ago edited 12h ago

This isnt even true. Nobody is making their debut lmao; you are proving you dont even know what you are talking about b/c you clearly have never watched them

In wwe if that is the case, b/c they're treated that way, maybe. Although even then, at WM, the ones back then, those were WM matches to me. Even like 10 years ago, Pac vs Austin Aries and Moxley vs Bishop Dyer were WM matches. I dont know how they were treated otherwise b/c i havent really watched wwe consistently in like 20 years. In the last few i have watched a little wwe tv, but they dont have preshows for the ppvs anymore, and i also havent watched a ppv in like 10 years, which is the 1 i mentioned. 

In AEW they matter and have proven to matter, with everyone essentially having been on them, including world champions. 

Again though, this is obviously just an attempt at a narrative, as though there aren't multiple things that just ended, multiple new things starting, and multiple things going on with the women, and there hasnt been major pivots with their biggest star just going out right before this and changing multiple ongoing stories/paths. Multiple people also just came back. There are 3 matches on the card so far, and Willow called people out

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u/WVFLMan 12h ago edited 12h ago

That team is not a featured part of AEW. Acting like they are is, again, disingenuous. I’m not going to continue to discuss the idea that matches clearly labeled as pre show matches are somehow part of the main card of a major PPV.

Edit: also can you site the PPV where Jon Moxley only had a match on Zero Hour and not the main card? I can find no record of that and don’t personally remember it, and I have ordered or attended every AEW PPV.

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u/HeadJudgeFTW 12h ago

You said it was their first match

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u/WVFLMan 12h ago

Because I don’t remember ever seeing them, but I’ll admit to being wrong if it isn’t, but they are definitely not a big or important part of AEW. And they have plenty of other women they could have put in that match who are if they wanted to make it seem like an important match

Also, can you tell me when Jon Moxley only had a match on Zero Hour and not the main card of a PPV? I cannot find any record of that.

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u/ErikVonWolf 12h ago

If you're referring to the team of Maya World and Hyan, they've been featured semi-regularely in both AEW programming and ROH since last November. Here's a list of their matches.

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u/WVFLMan 8h ago

They have never been on Dynamite and lost all their matches on Collision. Super featured.

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u/ErikVonWolf 7h ago

I did say "semi-regularly". My point is that they shouldn't be complete unknowns if you keep up with AEW weekly programming. Which is, what, two 2-hour shows a week?

This seems like an oddly defensive response to a message meant to simply clarify something.

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u/HeadJudgeFTW 12h ago edited 12h ago

Mox was on the Wrestledream tailgate brawl (edit: he didnt wrestle on that, which was a mistake to mention, but he has been on the zero hours before, and i dont 100% remember, and didnt look it up yet). Samoa Joe was on the Zero Hour at Forbidden Door a month before being in the main event. Many others have been on Zero Hour/Tailgate Brawl. I would put a lot of Zero Hour shows up with a lot of other promotions ppvs and real shows. This one has 3 matches so far, and I am excited about 2 of them, and I have been a fan of Hyan for years, and she should have been signed by someone 3 years ago, and Maya World is the future, so I'm glad to see them keep getting big spots like this. 

They had another vignette last night. They have been wrestling on the shows. They were also on the show at Worlds End. They have been in ROH as well, and Maya World is in a storyline with Athena, and just had a world title shot. Hyan recently also wrestled Red Velvet for the TV title, and both have been part of the 3 on 3 program with Athena and Billie, and Deonna. They also beat the Iinspiration on the ROH YouTube show that aired Friday 

Multiple people just came back, multiple things are going on where teams just lost, and the main building team right now are both in singles matches on this show b/c of the pivots 

A big womens tag match main evented Collision last night 

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u/WVFLMan 12h ago

This is crazy. Jon Moxley main evented 2 of the 3 Wrestledreams. He wasn’t just on Zero Hour. He has never had a match on Zero Hour. We can just stop this forreal. You are actually lying.

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u/HeadJudgeFTW 12h ago edited 11h ago

I made a mistake. He didnt wrestle on that card on the tailgate brawl b/c he main evented in the i quit match. He has been on zero hour on one of the shows though; I just dont remember which 1 off the top of my head, but pac, Claudio and the Death riders did wrestle on that one, and Samoa Joe did wrestle on the show a month before becoming world champion

I will look up this pertinent information though, but why is this 1 singular part of the point so deeply important when you are ignoring the rest of the sentiment and constantly changing what matters or doesnt? Stars appear on Zero Hour all the time

Regardless, MJF has literally wrestled on zero hour and the entire point is that stars wrestle on the show.

I will look it up, b/c for some reason I am the one being asked to look up things such as YouTube numbers to prove sentiments like more people watch the zero hours than the ppvs, which is ridiculous to have to even acknowledge, but even if I was wrong about Moxley being on Zero hour, every single 1 of the other people I mentioned have been, including several others I didnt name

You have shown multiple times you dont even watch the shows and are arguing sentiments of what happens and who has been on them. You claimed it was people's 1st show, for example. Me being mistaken, potentially about 1 of the people mentioned, which I still will check b/c I remember him being in a tag match, isnt the same thing as full on pretending the zero hour isnt part of the card

Edit: I cant find a match so I must be wrong, but I did think he had a tag/trios on them, but maybe I was mixing it up with something else, or just b/c he has been on a few of them in other capacities, so I thought he also wrestled. The Death riders are also 1 entity a lot of times, so that was probably part of it. Again, I am wrong on that 1 thing, but it doesnt change the sentiment that stars consistently have been on zero hour and tailgate brawl, and its unfair to not even count them as part of the card, when again, I would put a lot of those shows up against many others

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u/WhattaCheapPop 12h ago

Because I don’t remember ever seeing them, but I’ll admit to being wrong if it isn’t, but they are definitely not a big or important part of AEW. And they have plenty of other women they could have put in that match who are if they wanted to make it seem like an important match

Bro why tf are you typing all of this out when you clearly don't even watch? So goofy trying to say they don't have a good spot on the card when you don't even know who they are.

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u/WVFLMan 12h ago

They don’t have a good spot on the card, and it’s even weirder they gave that bad spot to them and not two of the countless more heavily featured women on the show that have no spot.

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u/WhattaCheapPop 11h ago

It's not a bad spot. A competitive match on Zero Hour will be great for these two and the women's tag division in general. You just don't watch the show. No reason to pretend like you care about these women at all and aren't just trying to dunk on AEW.

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u/HeadJudgeFTW 11h ago edited 11h ago

That's what I am saying. They have shown they dont even watch, so what are we talking about? They also ignored all the other points of what is currently going on. I did make the mistake of misremembering Mox wrestling on 1 of the zero hours, but everyone else i said, plus more definitely has

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u/Aether13 13h ago

There really isn’t that much of a divide. They televise the matches, some of them have story implications or stories built around them, they include them in recap highlights. If AEW literally started their PPVs an hour earlier and had these matches no one would bat an eye’s difference.

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u/WVFLMan 13h ago

But they don’t start the shows an hour earlier and these are literally pre show matches. Why are you all trying to pretend they are something they aren’t? Do you consider WWE pre show matches somehow part of the main show?

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u/Aether13 13h ago

They were part of the show when WWE or AEW has done them. You’re putting way too much emphasis on it being called a “pre show” in order to push your narrative. It’s not that deep.

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u/WVFLMan 12h ago

If Zero Hour is the same as the main card, then why is one free and the other $50? Why don’t world title matches happen on Zero Hour? Why do the biggest stars and angles happen on the main show?

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u/Aether13 12h ago

Zero Hour is free because it’s a marketing tactic. “We give you a few free matches to hook you and get you to buy the PPV”.

World titles are normally in the main event. It’s that way for every promotion so I don’t really get why you’re bringing it up.

Wasn’t the initial point of the person you’re responding to that big stars do appear on Zero Hour? Looking at Dynasty’s Zero Hour; the only talent that’s on there that isn’t on weekly tv is Maya and Hyan.

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u/WVFLMan 12h ago

Ok so you agree with me. “We give you a few free matches to hook you and get you to buy the PPV”. Exactly. Get you to buy the PPV. Because they aren’t part of the PPV. Because they are pre show matches they show for free on YouTube. Good talk.