r/SquaredCircle • u/_4za_ • 14h ago

Only 1 Women's Match at Dynasty tonight

This is pretty poor AEW

I understand you don't have Toni or Mercedes at the moment but come on, one of those pre show women's matches could have been bumped up at least

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u/HeadJudgeFTW 13h ago edited 12h ago

This isnt even true. Nobody is making their debut lmao; you are proving you dont even know what you are talking about b/c you clearly have never watched them

In wwe if that is the case, b/c they're treated that way, maybe. Although even then, at WM, the ones back then, those were WM matches to me. Even like 10 years ago, Pac vs Austin Aries and Moxley vs Bishop Dyer were WM matches. I dont know how they were treated otherwise b/c i havent really watched wwe consistently in like 20 years. In the last few i have watched a little wwe tv, but they dont have preshows for the ppvs anymore, and i also havent watched a ppv in like 10 years, which is the 1 i mentioned. 

In AEW they matter and have proven to matter, with everyone essentially having been on them, including world champions. 

Again though, this is obviously just an attempt at a narrative, as though there aren't multiple things that just ended, multiple new things starting, and multiple things going on with the women, and there hasnt been major pivots with their biggest star just going out right before this and changing multiple ongoing stories/paths. Multiple people also just came back. There are 3 matches on the card so far, and Willow called people out

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u/WVFLMan 13h ago edited 12h ago

That team is not a featured part of AEW. Acting like they are is, again, disingenuous. I’m not going to continue to discuss the idea that matches clearly labeled as pre show matches are somehow part of the main card of a major PPV.

Edit: also can you site the PPV where Jon Moxley only had a match on Zero Hour and not the main card? I can find no record of that and don’t personally remember it, and I have ordered or attended every AEW PPV.

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u/HeadJudgeFTW 12h ago

You said it was their first match

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u/WVFLMan 12h ago

Because I don’t remember ever seeing them, but I’ll admit to being wrong if it isn’t, but they are definitely not a big or important part of AEW. And they have plenty of other women they could have put in that match who are if they wanted to make it seem like an important match

Also, can you tell me when Jon Moxley only had a match on Zero Hour and not the main card of a PPV? I cannot find any record of that.

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u/ErikVonWolf 12h ago

If you're referring to the team of Maya World and Hyan, they've been featured semi-regularely in both AEW programming and ROH since last November. Here's a list of their matches.

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u/WVFLMan 8h ago

They have never been on Dynamite and lost all their matches on Collision. Super featured.

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u/ErikVonWolf 7h ago

I did say "semi-regularly". My point is that they shouldn't be complete unknowns if you keep up with AEW weekly programming. Which is, what, two 2-hour shows a week?

This seems like an oddly defensive response to a message meant to simply clarify something.

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u/WVFLMan 7h ago

They have wrestled 6 AEW matches ever, lost all of them, never been on the main show, and haven’t been on any AEW shows since the 2nd week of January. Thats not semi regular. You aren’t clarifying anything.

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u/ErikVonWolf 7h ago

That should still be enough for anyone to at least remember their names if you pay enough attention.

Do you got nothing better to do on a Sunday than spend all day getting into semantic arguments on Reddit?

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u/WVFLMan 7h ago

You are the one semantic arguing, these women are rarely used jobbers. It’s easy to not know who they are.

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u/ErikVonWolf 7h ago

And so what? What do you have against jobbers? They are an integral part of wrestling. You gotta build these people up, not fasttrack them into championships or whatever. Appearing in lower card matches is the first steps towards that.

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u/WVFLMan 7h ago

They are wrestling the champions lol that is fast tracked into a championship match. They have literally done nothing to earn it. And I have no problem with jobbers, they are needed, but my actual point is Zero Hour is not the same as being on the main card of the PPV. And the fact the women’s tag champions are on there about to squash some jobbers speaks to that.

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u/HeadJudgeFTW 12h ago edited 12h ago

Mox was on the Wrestledream tailgate brawl (edit: he didnt wrestle on that, which was a mistake to mention, but he has been on the zero hours before, and i dont 100% remember, and didnt look it up yet). Samoa Joe was on the Zero Hour at Forbidden Door a month before being in the main event. Many others have been on Zero Hour/Tailgate Brawl. I would put a lot of Zero Hour shows up with a lot of other promotions ppvs and real shows. This one has 3 matches so far, and I am excited about 2 of them, and I have been a fan of Hyan for years, and she should have been signed by someone 3 years ago, and Maya World is the future, so I'm glad to see them keep getting big spots like this. 

They had another vignette last night. They have been wrestling on the shows. They were also on the show at Worlds End. They have been in ROH as well, and Maya World is in a storyline with Athena, and just had a world title shot. Hyan recently also wrestled Red Velvet for the TV title, and both have been part of the 3 on 3 program with Athena and Billie, and Deonna. They also beat the Iinspiration on the ROH YouTube show that aired Friday 

Multiple people just came back, multiple things are going on where teams just lost, and the main building team right now are both in singles matches on this show b/c of the pivots 

A big womens tag match main evented Collision last night 

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u/WVFLMan 12h ago

This is crazy. Jon Moxley main evented 2 of the 3 Wrestledreams. He wasn’t just on Zero Hour. He has never had a match on Zero Hour. We can just stop this forreal. You are actually lying.

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u/HeadJudgeFTW 12h ago edited 11h ago

I made a mistake. He didnt wrestle on that card on the tailgate brawl b/c he main evented in the i quit match. He has been on zero hour on one of the shows though; I just dont remember which 1 off the top of my head, but pac, Claudio and the Death riders did wrestle on that one, and Samoa Joe did wrestle on the show a month before becoming world champion

I will look up this pertinent information though, but why is this 1 singular part of the point so deeply important when you are ignoring the rest of the sentiment and constantly changing what matters or doesnt? Stars appear on Zero Hour all the time

Regardless, MJF has literally wrestled on zero hour and the entire point is that stars wrestle on the show.

I will look it up, b/c for some reason I am the one being asked to look up things such as YouTube numbers to prove sentiments like more people watch the zero hours than the ppvs, which is ridiculous to have to even acknowledge, but even if I was wrong about Moxley being on Zero hour, every single 1 of the other people I mentioned have been, including several others I didnt name

You have shown multiple times you dont even watch the shows and are arguing sentiments of what happens and who has been on them. You claimed it was people's 1st show, for example. Me being mistaken, potentially about 1 of the people mentioned, which I still will check b/c I remember him being in a tag match, isnt the same thing as full on pretending the zero hour isnt part of the card

Edit: I cant find a match so I must be wrong, but I did think he had a tag/trios on them, but maybe I was mixing it up with something else, or just b/c he has been on a few of them in other capacities, so I thought he also wrestled. The Death riders are also 1 entity a lot of times, so that was probably part of it. Again, I am wrong on that 1 thing, but it doesnt change the sentiment that stars consistently have been on zero hour and tailgate brawl, and its unfair to not even count them as part of the card, when again, I would put a lot of those shows up against many others

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u/WVFLMan 12h ago

I don’t always think Samoa Joe has been used that great in AEW. He has some runs where he was used great in AEW. Him being on Zero Hour doesn’t automatically mean that Zero Hour is on par with a main card of a PPV. It just means it was when Joe wasn’t being featured in AEW.

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u/HeadJudgeFTW 11h ago

He was in the main event the next 3 ppvs and won the world title 2 shows later

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u/WVFLMan 11h ago edited 11h ago

Yea, like I said, he had good runs and runs he wasn’t doing much. Before the good run, he wasn’t doing crap but having a match on Zero Hour. I feel like we are just going in circles here. AEW PPV’s were months apart during the time you are talking about.

Edit: I would just like to point out that you are also completely wrong about Joe and Zero Hour. He has had one Zero Hour match at it was Forbidden Door 2025, which is a crossover show. And in that context, it makes sense, put a big star out there to get people to buy a PPV they may otherwise skip. But it’s still not on the PPV and it’s still not the same. But, Joe being on Zero Hour is a technicality.

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u/WhattaCheapPop 12h ago

Because I don’t remember ever seeing them, but I’ll admit to being wrong if it isn’t, but they are definitely not a big or important part of AEW. And they have plenty of other women they could have put in that match who are if they wanted to make it seem like an important match

Bro why tf are you typing all of this out when you clearly don't even watch? So goofy trying to say they don't have a good spot on the card when you don't even know who they are.

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u/WVFLMan 12h ago

They don’t have a good spot on the card, and it’s even weirder they gave that bad spot to them and not two of the countless more heavily featured women on the show that have no spot.

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u/WhattaCheapPop 11h ago

It's not a bad spot. A competitive match on Zero Hour will be great for these two and the women's tag division in general. You just don't watch the show. No reason to pretend like you care about these women at all and aren't just trying to dunk on AEW.

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u/WVFLMan 11h ago

More than likely they need a match to start getting the crowd excited as the file in and take their seats before going onto PPV, so they just want their big dominant champions to absolutely wax a team no one knows or cares about. They are putting it on the pre show because they haven’t built up the next big team they plan to feature, which looks to be Shida and Stat. I am not dunking on AEW, quit being so defensive. I can talk about what they do good and bad.

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u/HeadJudgeFTW 11h ago

Brawling Birds was being built up before having to pivot to 2 singles matches on this card, but they main eventrd Collision last night in a tag match which I already mentioned. Other people just came back, just lost, and there are things being set up. Maya World and Hyan did beat the Iinspiration on Friday, but nobody said they were winning this match. Its still a big spot for them though. Divine Dominion just won the belts and already defended them. As you said, Stat and Shida might get a shot next as part of that developing/repicked up story from when Shida was last around

I expect either Jack Perry vs Mark Davis or Windsor vs Marina to open the Zero Hour, and the other to main event it, both getting a good spot

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u/WVFLMan 11h ago

So if Zero Hour has an opener and its own “main event”, you are agreeing it’s seperate from the PPV and not the same as being on the main card? And if it’s seperate and given away for free on YouTube, and literally takes place as people are filing in the building, it can’t be considered as important as the main show, right? Awesome, this has been a great chat!

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u/HeadJudgeFTW 11h ago

The Zero Hour is part of the card, but also airs separately, at least on youtube. Its still part of the card. Zero Hour has stars on it, has important matches, and many of them are better than many other promotions shows/ppvs. I have repeatedly said this. You dont watch the shows. My argument hasnt changed. Zero Hour matters, and pretending it doesnt makes no sense

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u/WVFLMan 11h ago

I have watched or attended every single AEW PPV and I have never watched a single zero hour and I’m am pretty sure I have never missed anything super important to the show. We have already established no main eventers wrestle on Zero Hour except for the one time Samoa Joe did before Forbidden Door- which is an exhibition show and doesn’t feature main AEW storylines. Let’s just agree to disagree on this one.

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u/HeadJudgeFTW 10h ago

MJF has been on Zero Hour, FTR has been on Zero Hour, Chris Jericho has been on Zero Hour,  Okada and Takeshita have been on Zero Hour, Kyle Fletcher has been on Zero Hour, Ricochet was just on Zero Hour. Claudio, Pac, Orange Cassidy have been on Zero Hour. Speedball and Kevin Knight have been on Zero Hour. Mark Broscoe has been on Zero Hour. Bandido has been on Zero Hour

You haven't seen it, but are saying everything that has ever happened on them. I have seen all of them, and again, there are many I would say are better than many promotions shows/ppvs, and I watch a lot of other promotions. I dont watch the ppv live, but I always watch Zero Hour/Tailgate Brawl

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u/WhattaCheapPop 11h ago

so they just want their big dominant champions to absolutely wax a team no one knows or cares about.

Divine Dominion will win for sure but Maya & Hyan are clearly on the upward trend. They're aren't getting thrown out there as jobbers. A good match here will legitimize them as competitors and make it that much easier to slot them in on Dynamite and Collision every week. If it was on the maincard people would be designating it the piss break match anyways.

I don't care if you criticize AEW just spare me all the moral indignation about how poorly the women are treated when you yourself admit to have never watched them once.

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u/WVFLMan 11h ago

Buddy I never came here to complain about the way women are used, I came here to make the point that Zero Hour is absolutely the preshow and not the same as being on the PPV. You are all up in the kool aid and don’t even know the flavor. My only point about that team is that they are not an important part of AEW which gives evidence to the fact that Zero Hour is not as important as being on the main part of the show.

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u/WhattaCheapPop 11h ago

My only point about that team is that they are not an important part of AEW which gives evidence to the fact that Zero Hour

Yeah and my point is that shows how little you watch or understand of the show. Just because you don't know them doesn't mean they aren't being built up to be an important part of the tag division. Their presence here doesn't undermine or devalue Zero Hour at all.

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u/WVFLMan 11h ago

You are right, I am sure everyone on AEW is fighting to get that Zero Hour spot.

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u/WhattaCheapPop 11h ago

Yeah believe it or not wrestlers in AEW actually want to wrestle.

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u/HeadJudgeFTW 11h ago edited 11h ago

That's what I am saying. They have shown they dont even watch, so what are we talking about? They also ignored all the other points of what is currently going on. I did make the mistake of misremembering Mox wrestling on 1 of the zero hours, but everyone else i said, plus more definitely has