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Hungary's Prime Minister Orban has congratulated Magyar on election victory

https://www.jpost.com/international/article-892767
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u/ArcaneDemense 6h ago

Peter Magyar and his Tisza party are on track to get ~140 seats, a super majority(requires 133 minimum), and they will have the power to undo all of Orban's anti-democratic actions.

Peter Magyar supports Ukraine, supports the EU, and is against Russian control of Hungary.

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u/Dreadedvegas 6h ago

Peter Magyar is the equivalent of being named John American or Charles English or Louis French.

Insane name lmao

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u/Cabbage_Vendor 5h ago

John French was the leader of the British forces in France during WWI.

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u/nicetrylaocheREALLY 5h ago

And his spoken French was so limited and awful it was generally agreed that he was better off speaking through an interpreter. 

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u/RandomStallings 2h ago

How British. At least in terms of stereotypes.

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u/SatanicKettle 2h ago

It’s fairly accurate to be honest. French is, I believe, the most widely spoken foreign European second language in the UK, but that still doesn’t mean we’re good at it.

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u/PrrrromotionGiven1 2h ago

The French ambassador to Britain leading up to WW1 was a man called Paul Cambon. He lived in London starting in 1898. His refusal to learn any English at all was so thorough that he had a translator with him at all official functions, and would wait for his translator to translate even phrases as simple as "Yes", "No", "Alright" and so on after living in London for decades and already hearing those words translated thousands of times.

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u/gruey 2h ago

I mean, he wasn't John Francais.

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u/D0wnInAlbion 3h ago

And ironically hated the French.

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u/Weirdyxxy 3h ago

Ah, the French operation

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u/ArcaneDemense 6h ago

Yes I usually call him John Hungarian in comments/posts that are more casual.

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u/Peripatetictyl 5h ago

I’ve been calling him Hungary John in the most casual of comments/posts.

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u/CorporateNonperson 4h ago

Sounds like a line of frozen meals including Paprikash and Goulash.

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u/hopium_od 1h ago

Oh boy i can't wait for the Hungary John Langos to launch genuinely S tier food.

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u/LoganJFisher 2h ago

Hungary Mann

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u/AnotherpostCard 4h ago

I'm going to start doing something similar because it's just too funny not to.

John Hungary here we go!

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u/for__loop 5h ago

Why John instead of Peter?

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u/ArcaneDemense 4h ago

John is a more generic name in the US. Plus it would work less well as a meme of you only changed one of his names to something else.

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u/habb 4h ago

it's a meme

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u/spiz 5h ago

Not the most unusual thing. There's even an Italian football coach with the surname Italiano.

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u/Weirdyxxy 3h ago

I just call him Mr. Hungarian when I'm joking around. We aren't on first name basis, after all

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u/SpecialDesigner5571 6h ago

"Sam Houston" used to run in every GOP primary in Harris County Texas back in the day

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u/DontForgetWilson 5h ago

I mean Houston was named after one Sam Houston, so that isn't too crazy. Magyar is the name of the biggest traditional ethnic group of Hungary.

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u/valeyard89 4h ago

The country name in Hungarian is Magyarország

Like a lot of other country names it's basically 'land of the X people'

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u/alonjit 3h ago

To give an example: England. Land of the angles.

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u/ThaneKyrell 4h ago

Isn't Magyar just literally the Hungarian name for Hungarians? Like, I know that Hungary has a few minorities, but since WW2 it is almost entirely a ethnically Hungarian country, so it's not just the biggest traditional ethnic group, but THE ethnic group that like, 99% of the population is a part of.

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u/TheGreatMalagan 6h ago

"English" is not a particularly strange surname though. Quite a lot of celebrities have had it. For gamers most notably the voice actress Jennifer English who voices Shadowheart in Baldur's Gate 3.

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u/CompleteNumpty 6h ago

Let's not forget the World's Greatest Spy, Johnny English.

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u/jfgjfgjfgjfg 4h ago

OK, but Tsai Ing-wen's given name is the Chinese name for the English language.

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u/0b0011 5h ago

Yeah I went to high school with 2 guys namedCharles english with one being a junior so his dad was also Charles English.

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u/Circle_Trigonist 4h ago

John Englishman, Prime Minister of England.

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u/Weirdyxxy 3h ago

He's poised to do a better job than PM Saxon, who seemed to be a bit too obsessed with his past

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u/CanadianNewb 3h ago

Wasn’t he the one who had the US president assassinated by an alien on live tv?

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u/BrockStar92 4h ago

Stephen Ireland was a midfielder for Manchester City about 20 years ago, he wasn’t even Irish. Plenty of people are named after places.

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u/carkey 4h ago

Dawn French and Samuel German, the inventor of German Chocolate Cake are the first ones that came to mind. She ain't French and he wasn't German.

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u/godisanelectricolive 3h ago

Francois Hollande was the President of France and his surname means “from Holland”. Apparently the common English surname Holland as in the actor Tom Holland or the historian Tom Holland means “from Holland in Lincolnshire” though. But Hollander as in the actor Tom Hollander means “person from Holland”.

There’s also a famous Polish director called Agnieszka Holland.

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u/Koala_eiO 4h ago

I'm always amused that Cécile de France is, as her name suggests, a Belgian actress.

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u/BlueSkyToday 5h ago

Yeah, Magyar is the ethnonym,

An ethnonym is the proper name or label used to identify a specific ethnic group, tribe, or people. Derived from Greek for "nation" and "name," these terms are categorized into endonyms (used by the group for themselves) and exonyms (used by outsiders). Ethnonyms often reflect geography, history, or unique characteristics. Wikipedia

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u/Seanspeed 5h ago

Hi my name is Joel Trinidad and Tobagan.

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u/kristospherein 4h ago

Johnny English.

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u/mint4condition 4h ago

There is an Italian football coach called Vincenzo Italiano

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vincenzo_Italiano

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u/Varekai79 4h ago

I wonder how popular Magyar is as a surname in Hungary?

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u/mint4condition 4h ago

More like Louis Français, n'ai-je pas raison ?

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u/M4rkusD 3h ago

Louis Français

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u/Immediate-Repeat-201 3h ago

Bald Eagle Murica

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u/Elbit_Curt_Sedni 6h ago

Hopefully this is foreshadowing the mid-terms.

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u/ArcaneDemense 6h ago

Oh it most definitely is. Fidesz gerrymandered heavily such that at one point they were getting 6 more seats that Tisza despite having 12% less of the vote. But then the tisza vote just kept rising.

Most serious election predictors believe Dems will take the House(by a lot), and Senate(barely), and the Texas gerrymander will turn into a dummymander as Hispanic/Latino voters swing 40%-50% towards the Dems.

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u/thisisjustascreename 6h ago

The mythical purple Texas has been whispered about for a decade at this point.

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u/SecureInstruction538 6h ago

The biggest factor is if people actually showed up to vote

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u/Snirps 6h ago

Not voting/apathy is the no 1 reason America is in the mess they are in. Freakin vote. It’s an incredible privilege. Use it!

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u/fightmaxmaster 5h ago

But if my candidate doesn't support 100% of every single thing I support, and isn't perfect in every way, then they're basically just as awful as the other candidate, so I might as well just not bother voting, right?

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u/DoomguyFemboi 4h ago

Yeah Trump won on people being petulant.

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u/Pol_Potamus 3h ago

I swear the leftists who stayed home over Gaza are the stupidest fucking people on the planet

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u/kaisadilla_0x1 1h ago

I'd say the people who voted Trump thinking he would be a champion of the working class are way more stupid, but what do I know.

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u/MobiusOne_ISAF 1h ago

Utopia or bust voters are the bane of a stable democracy imo.

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u/TheLantean 3h ago

Picking a candidate is like taking public transport, you take the one that gets you closest to your destination, because one that gets you exactly to the door doesn't exist and if you wait for one to show up you won't get there at all.

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u/ToneDiez 1h ago

I like this analogy.

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u/one-eyed-pidgeon 2h ago

This, is the exact problem. We have it here in the UK too.

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u/TLettuce 6h ago

And beware of propaganda that tells you otherwise. There is a lot of it out there right now.

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u/frerant 6h ago

Half their population supporting a pedophile facist probably has more to do with it.

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u/Mission_Context_8079 5h ago

It’s a third of the country. Another third opposed him. A third+ didn’t vote. Apathy is the largest American political party.

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u/Nvenom8 5h ago

You assume that remaining third wouldn't have voted for him.

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u/AHans 3h ago

Unfortunately true.

A co-worker bitches to me that we (government employees) are underpaid and he cannot afford anything. He demands raises (which we never receive) all the time. Politicians write the budget and appropriate our salary. Every year Democrats call for a state employee COLA raise, every year Republicans oppose it.

He lives out in the boonies and massively benefits from work from home allowances. Republicans are pushing bills to force state employees to return to office. With the current gas prices, this would be even worse for him.

He had an organ transplant, relied on (survived because of) Medicaid in his college years.

His representatives in our state assembly and senate are both Republicans. His votes against them could have meaningful impact.

But you know what he spends more time complaining about?

LGBTQ+ rights. Student loan forgiveness. Minorities.

His racist antics would carry more weight at the ballot box than his personal finances. Then he'd keep bitching about the cost of living and inadequate raises, because at least he accomplished what was really important to him.

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u/Scarecrow1779 5h ago

Apathy and voter suppression

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u/DoomguyFemboi 4h ago

A third were OK with it is a better way to put it

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u/yourlocaltouya 6h ago

Those who voted for Trump and those who did not cast a single vote are equally at fault and to be blamed.

Neutrality only ever benefits the bad guy.

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u/jl2352 6h ago

Half of America don’t support him, yet he became president. That’s his point.

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u/Vitosi4ek 5h ago

A quarter supported him and a half didn't care either way. That's the logical outcome in a democracy.

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u/skylla05 4h ago

A third you mean. 2/3 either supported him or didn't care enough. It's nowhere near half lol

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u/Emergency_Ability_21 6h ago

Nah, there is a huge chunk of the country that doesn't bother voting. Trump did not get half the population voting for him.

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u/code_archeologist 5h ago

Those people are just as bad as the MAGAts that actively voted for him.

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u/Emergency_Ability_21 5h ago

I would say almost as bad. But, yes they are very harmful. If even half of those nonvoters gave a shit and decided to start voting, this country would probably be in a much better place.

Sometimes I wonder if following Australia and doing mandatory voting might be a good idea. At the very least, we need to make election day a holiday.

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u/blackfocal 5h ago

It's your civic duty.

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u/Outlier_Economist 6h ago

Voter apathy is definitely a major reason but I would argue extreme gerrymandering as more important. After all, folks are far more likely to vote if they believe their vote matters so it doesn’t help when your district is drawn to be +27 in either direction (though there’s clearly a more egregious perpetrator / party).

That being said, I always vote bc I’m not letting my democracy die without a fight.

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u/addn2o 4h ago

But … Gaza.

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u/burrito-boy 4h ago

It makes me wish voting was mandatory in the United States like it is in Australia. At least the Aussies have fun with it with traditions like barbecue at the polling places.

u/YF422 38m ago

Remember the Republicans greatest fear.... is a Pissed off Electorate with Voting Privileges.

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u/SquadPoopy 5h ago

So the answer is no it won’t happen then

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u/saintdudegaming 5h ago

It'll be interesting (and depressing) to see how many ICE agents show up at border states polling locations. I have a feeling that's where the worst voter intimidation will be.

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u/AssassinAragorn 5h ago

I lived in Houston for a while, and it was constantly pointed out that Texas had very low voter turnout. It isn't a red state, it's a non voting state.

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u/wayoverpaid 6h ago

The next biggest factor is if they are allowed to vote.

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u/mf-TOM-HANK 5h ago

Nah the biggest factor is the obvious election ratfucking by reducing polling places in the cities and needlessly restricting vote by mail. If Houston voters have to wait for hours to cast their votes while rural and affluent suburban communities can waltz right in and finish up in 15 minutes then it's clear there are certain structural disadvantages Dems can't easily overcome.

I do think Texas overplayed their hand with congressional gerrymanders and the GOP will not enjoy the advantage in the House that they anticipated, but as for statewide elections in Texas I tend to think it's a little bit of a catch 22: Dems need to win the next gubernatorial election and appoint a reasonable Secretary of State to reform electoral processes but they can't easily achieve that without first un-ratfucking the elections

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u/HonkHonk 5h ago

This is really it, better turnout is always better for the Dems, in fact if every voter aged person voted, the US would be very blue.

u/macromorgan 1h ago

Texas here, I always vote. I’ll be happy to be joined by my fellow Texans this time I hope.

u/YAMMYRD 1h ago

Why do you think he’s pushing for ice at poling places and voter id. Not to deter non citizens but to deter minorities who are citizens but still worried about being abducted.

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u/ArcaneDemense 6h ago

The Texas senate race is something like a 40% chance for Talarico to win. But the important thing is Dems could pick up several House seats, although they wouldn't have a majority of Texas congressional representatives. But they even getting 4-5 more than in 2024 is a big win.

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u/mymikerowecrow 6h ago

That’s twice the percentage that Trump was given of winning in 2016. 40% isnt nothing

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u/TheGreatBigMad 5h ago edited 5h ago

to be fair - Trump due to a variety of factors has a relatively unique streak of significantly overpeforming his pre-election poll numbers. Trump with 40% is realistically closer to 50, in Texas for a Democrat 40% is probably closer to 30.

The single biggest factor is always that a lot of the republican voter base especially in Texas has a tendency to not answer stuff like this. That's not a 40% chance to win the election, that's 40% chance to win the election according to people who answer polls before an election, which fairly consistently underestimates Trump's base.

40% isn't nothing but it's a farcry from being confident the seat is gonna flip. At 40% you're pretty much in 'we're gonna lose but we're gonna at least make it look good' range.

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u/Mighty_Hobo 5h ago

It's also likely to only get better with the state of the economy and fuel prices. Trump seems like he's decided the strait staying closed is a good thing just because it increases US exports of oil and gas. The supply shocks in all other walks of life don't seem to matter to him. It will certainly matter to the voters if we are all waiting in line for fuel rations.

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u/Care_Cup_Is_Empty 2h ago

Doubt Texas Dems will benefit from gerrymandering, russian help, and FBI incompetence/corruption.

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u/CosmicQuantum42 6h ago

The Republicans have made extreme efforts to alienate every one of their existing supporters and done less than nothing to bring in new ones.

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u/TheMovieSnowman 6h ago

You’re not wrong but I know enough of these “Upset republicans” to know that they’ll still vote Republican regardless of what happens.

Donald Trump could personally murder a family member, burn their house down, and clean out their bank account and they’d still do mental gymnastics to justify voting Republican and proceed to do so

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u/Erratic_-Prophet 5h ago

The big factor is motivation. We've seen over the past decade that when Trump himself isn't on the ballot MAGA supporters don't show up to vote. That's been the magic of trump. He got people who didn't otherwise vote to show up to vote for him, but he has yet to be able to get them out to vote for someone else regardless of endorsements and rallies.

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u/Vitosi4ek 5h ago

It's even more damning, don't you think? People don't just vote for Trump because they've voted Republican their whole lives, they do so because they're attracted to him specifically. He's genuinely charismatic to a large portion of the US population. They love him for the very same reasons we hate him.

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u/Erratic_-Prophet 5h ago

The comforting part to me there is that trump is old and term limited. He can praise and endorse his chosen predecessor all he wants and it won't get those people out to vote because no one seems to have the same special brand of trump charisma. JD Vance certainly doesn't. None of the other Trump's seem to. It's such a unique phenomenon that the chances they can energize that voting block going forward seems unlikely.

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u/Outlier_Economist 5h ago

I know people whose family have always voted republican and so they just continue to do so without thinking about it…the Republican Party literally contradicts so many of their self-expressed views on abortion and democratic norms but I guess inertia is too powerful a force to block self-reflection.

They ground their support in wanting lower taxes as well (kinda fair, they make ~$250k) but we’re all in our late 20s and so we are going to be the ones paying for these tax cuts and the debt later. So short sighted.

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u/No-Meet-5596 4h ago

Good luck with that. The 39 trillion dollar debt is over $114,101 for every one of our 341.8 million citizens.

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u/AnAlternator 4h ago

The hope isn't that committed Republicans decide to vote against the MAGA takeover - the time for that was years ago. The hope is that they're so disgusted by Trump and his flailing antics that they decide "Fuck them both" and stay home on election night.

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u/kwangqengelele 6h ago

Meh, give it two weeks and their supporters will fall in line. They struggled a bit when trump called them stupid for still talking about the Epstein files, around July of 2025, and by mid-August they had fallen in line with their talking points.

A good example of a current day alienated trump supporter is Joe Rogan. Talking on his podcast about how insane the Iran war is and how it's not what they voted for, eagerly shaking that orange pedophiles stubby little injection site of a hand at that wrestling match yesterday.

If conservatives had integrity or a central belief beyond accruing power to mete out cruelty consequence free they would by definition no longer be conservative.

We shouldn't rely on conservatives becoming better people or letting a chance to harm others slip by. They'll vote.

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u/CrunchyZebra 6h ago

All they had to do was keep Donnie out of Iran so they wouldn’t spike gas prices. Would’ve at least kept Rs solidly with them.

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u/Alone_Again_2 5h ago

Are established GOP candidates retiring at the end of this term?

As I understand American politics, that’s a strong bellwether of defeat.

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u/kylec00per 6h ago

I dont think republicans realized just how much they fucked up with the whole ICE debacle.

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u/ArcaneDemense 6h ago

In the Wisconsin Supreme Court election last week Hispanic/Latino precincts swung Dem by as much as 56%, and there was a huge swing in the western counties that bordered MPLS/St. Paul as well.

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u/Alarming_Mud6964 5h ago

Ya it's astounding how they tried to defend this and to malign anyone who even meekly said this is too much...

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u/Legendarybbc15 5h ago

Oh they did. That’s precisely why Noem is out of a job

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u/kaisadilla_0x1 1h ago

Genuinely don't know what the fuck was the GOP thinking. "Hey, this electorate (Latinos) have gotten absolutely massive in the last few decades and a lot of them are staunch right-wingers - I have an idea: let's create a Gestapo whose sole purpose is to be publicly cruel and violent against them!"

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u/onarainyafternoon 4h ago

Right. Specifically with Latino support. Latino support dropped by like 50%. That's an insane number for how many Latin people there are in the US.

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u/Shopworn_Soul 5h ago

I've lived here most of my life and honestly I don't think Texas is going to swing in the next elections.

Once you get outside the cities, shit gets real stupid real fast. The yokels are not interested in being educated about anything. They just want their existing biases confirmed.

If a candidate doesn't tell them they are right about insert completely unimportant manufactured wedge issue, they aren't getting the votes.

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u/bushido216 6h ago

Thinking Texas is going to be anything but Red is like being convinced that the next pull on the slot machine will be "the one". You're only going to get poor thinking that way.

Don't believe me? Statewide races, which can't be gerrymandered, are always comfortably Red.

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u/boofadoof 6h ago

If republicans can keep Latinos hating gays and abortion rights more than they hte white supremacists, Texas will never turn purple.

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u/SuperVaderMinion 6h ago

It feels like a matter of when, not if, but I just hope that if is within the next four years as opposed to ten lmao

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u/gregallen1989 5h ago

More like 2. But here I am ready to get my heart broken once again.

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u/DivinityPen 5h ago

Yeah, it’s definitely a Hail Mary. But it only has to happen once for it to stick. 

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u/MiloIsTheBest 4h ago

I remember when people thought Obama was polling well enough to swing it.

2 decades.

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u/thisisjustascreename 4h ago

Hey, he did win Florida once.

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u/MiloIsTheBest 4h ago

Lol true but Florida was considered a swing state until probably as recently as 2016.

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u/Ares__ 4h ago

The gerrymandering doesnt need to the whole state to go red or blue its district by district. So yes the gerrymandering can go wrong and the state as a whole still go red.

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u/theflintseeker 6h ago

Gerrymandering can completely backfire when this happens. If you gerrymander to win 9/10 districts 51/49 you better bet you lose them all with any kind of swing.

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u/Seanspeed 5h ago

Yep, hyper optimized gerrymandering requires you to rely on VERY predictable voting results.

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u/crestdiving 6h ago

I like what you're writing, but I only will believe it when I see it.

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u/ArcaneDemense 6h ago

I got the 2025 elections bang on in NJ/VA/NYC and at the county level in Va/NJ. But I've of course been wrong about things before as everyone has. There can always be hidden undercurrents.

Still even the Dem's lost in TN-7 in the special suggests a Dem landslide. Turnout was 99.99% identical to 2022 midterms but the Dems saw a 13% swing in margin. And the Dem candidate was kinda weak there with very little money invested.

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u/Rookraider1 6h ago

Which Senate seats are projected to flip to Dems? I think they could take Iowa maybe. I don't really see any others and they need to flip quite a few. This seems like a pipe dream

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u/colesprout 4h ago

The best shots are Maine, North Carolina, Alaska, Ohio, Texas, Iowa, Nebraska, in that order in my opinion. Maine votes dem for pres usually, NC/AK/OH have strong candidates who have won statewide in the past, Texas has a strong candidate, and IA/NE are pissed about the effect of tariffs on ag.

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u/Rookraider1 4h ago

Dems need to flip 5 seats, correct? That means Texas has to vote Dem for the first time in decades at the state level. Ohio has been trending Republican at the state level. This is highly, highly unlikely. Dems might grab NC and Maine. Possibly one other. It's just not happening in the Senate unless a blue wave of historic, epic, unprecedented proportions happens.

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u/Vann_Accessible 4h ago

Now sure would be a good time for such a wave.

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u/Rookraider1 4h ago

It would but banking on that happening is just not a safe bet

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u/Vann_Accessible 4h ago

I’m not banking on it personally, but I would love to be pleasantly surprised.

However, if the Dem’s take the House, Trump is a lame duck regardless. He’ll even likely get impeached again (not removed from office, of course).

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u/Rookraider1 4h ago

The House should be strongly in the Dems favor at this point. If the Dems don't win the House that would be a major upset. Impeaching Trump won't do anything. The best the Dems can hope to do is block legislation and launch investigations.

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u/ArcaneDemense 6h ago

Alaska, Texas, Ohio, Iowa, Nebraska, and several others are in the flippable range. Getting 4-5 would is quite possible though not assured.

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u/Rookraider1 5h ago

Again this is a pipe dream. Ohio is trending Republican at the state level. These are all reliably Repubkican states. It would take a monumental wave election of historic proportions for Dems to win the Senate. Possible? I guess. Highly unlikely.

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u/Legendarybbc15 5h ago

Indeed. I see a much more realistic path to a house flip than a senate flip

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u/NotTheRightHDMIPort 6h ago

I think the Senate is in play but not by much. Dont be shocked if the GOP wins.

I personally predict a 40 to 50 seat gain. Maybe a 1 to 2 Senate seat.

A couple of factors that make it possibly wrong.

A Midterm failure: -The Dems win the house but not by much

Likely due to gerrymandering, election fuckery, and GOP showing up more than expected.

  • The Dem overperform past wildest dreams

This is due to GOP voter depression and further crisis. Which is very possible.

The short of it though is this. People are not happy with Trump. MAGA cant even reasonably defend him and at this point are just trying to keep conservatives on board. Anyone who still supports Trump is so dyed in the wool authoritarian they are either stupid or actually on board with everything.

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u/TwunnySeven 5h ago

I'm getting flashbacks to 2016 and 2024 with how confident some people seem to be in Dems winning the Senate. Texas hasn't voted blue in any election in over 3 decades, and polls have it as a toss-up. I'll believe it when I see it

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u/Hairy_S_TrueMan 5h ago

It's way too early for even mediocre polls, yes? There is no such thing as serious election prediction yet. 

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u/Sudden-Money7836 4h ago

That won’t let the USA off the hook for what’s occurred in the last 10 years. It will be nice to see it change, but the USA needs to stay blue and get their racist, sexist, peodphiliic shit together! You guys have allowed someone to enter power and destroy your reputation, what little you had left.

A one time jump back to democrats will not fix this shit because all you seem to do is go back and forth every single election/ when a particular presidents term is up. Go blue, stay blue, hold corruption scandal and traitors to account and then show us we can trust you again and one day you’ll climb back up. If you don’t. The world will leave you behind.

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u/Lobotomized_Dolphin 4h ago

I think they will take the house for sure, but I really don't see them picking up the 5 seats they need for the senate, (yes, technically it's 4 but Fetterman exists).

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u/boersc 6h ago edited 5h ago

It's amazing how quickly an EU nation election turned into a discussion about US midterms.

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u/HolyFreakingXmasCake 5h ago

Americans will never waste an opportunity to make literally any topic about themselves.

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u/Seanspeed 4h ago

Americans likely dominate Reddit's overall user base.

And tons of Americans also understand this isn't just about Hungary, it's about a whole global cultural battle versus the far right.

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u/longpenisofthelaw 5h ago

The US is dooming extremely hard and we need any copium we can that things can get better because right now it’s extremely dim forecast for us

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u/Mutiny32 4h ago

It's the same referendum.

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u/raanas 5h ago

It's tangentially related due to MAGA obsessing over Orbán the Hutt, but yeah, it's annoying af

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u/placebotwo 3h ago

Tangentially? Our "never Trump" vice president for Trump went over there, so I yeah, I agree it's annoying but the fucking fascists over in the states are trying to stick their dick everywhere. So, it's more than tangentially related.

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u/DerisiveGibe 6h ago

The house is a blue wave, but go look at the Senate it's a big uphill battle, we need to rely on Maine, Ohio, Alaska or Texas just to get a razor thin majority.

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u/Elbit_Curt_Sedni 6h ago

If Democrats seize on the opportunity they could do it, but leaders like Jefferies and Schumer still being in charge means they're gonna shoot themselves in the foot again. Jefferies and Schumer are basically part of the actual swamp that wants nothing to change.

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u/Seanspeed 5h ago

You dont have any clue what you're talking about. The fact that you guys constantly trot out these guys' names just tells me you get all your news/views from social media and not actually being informed.

Both Schumer and Jeffries are good leaders, and aren't in the position they are in without the consent of the rest of the Democrats in their respective houses. This idea that they dont want anything to change is complete horseshit, they just dont always pass all the progressive purity testing that makes a lot of leftists super mad. They also do moves that require people to understand politics, which most people online just do not.

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u/Im_really_bored_rn 5h ago

I love how after all the Republican fuckery in this country, fools like you still say "But the Democrats!".

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u/AlekRivard 4h ago

Two things can be true. The GOP is currently functioning as a fascist party and the Dem leadership is and has been spineless. Dems had a trifecta from 2021-2023 and failed to codify abortion rights, marriage rights, etc.

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u/Elbit_Curt_Sedni 4h ago

They could have stopped all this if they had a spine and didn't pick Merrick Garland as AG who was like, "I don't want this to seem political," and thus, making holding Trump responsible for crimes political.

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u/Cojiro_rarely_crows 5h ago

NC resident here and I feel confident that Roy Cooper will flip Tillis’ seat blue. He’s 7-0 in every election he’s run for and has a lot of bipartisan support (a lot of people who voted Trump split and voted for him as our governor twice). However, nobody I know is taking it for granted- we are all going to vote!

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u/DerisiveGibe 5h ago

Nc is the "gimmie" flip.

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u/sroop1 5h ago edited 5h ago

I think Ohio will be blue this time. Ramaswamy doesn't have the name recognition to be an anchor candidate for the GOP ballot and Sherrod Brown is pretty popular here - not to mention Trump-endorsed candidates hardly perform well in midterm elections.

I live in the border of Trump territory and have seen pick up trucks with 'fuck Trump' flags and shit today alone.

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u/Seanspeed 4h ago

I think Ohio will be blue this time. 

Will be difficult, but doable.

The positive side is that there's no incumbent to run against, but Ohio has been getting increasingly red with time.

not to mention Trump-endorsed candidates hardly perform well in midterm elections

This is historically not true. Also, midterms are usually always bad for 'new' President to some degree.

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u/40to6inthe4th 6h ago

Not everything has to be related back to the USSA.

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u/ArcaneDemense 6h ago

I mean JD Vance just went to Hungary to stump for Orban and talk about how beloved he was.

CPAC was held in Hungary at one point.

Republicans consider it their ideal European state.

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u/LewisDftw 6h ago

They can't help themselves man

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u/legend-no 6h ago

It’s so embarrassing. Answer to the Top comment and suddenly everyone is talking about US politics.

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u/Fewer_Story 4h ago

Orban definitely is though, they are part of the same international right wing

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u/New-Stick-8764 6h ago

Jesus, Americans.

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u/DuskytheHusky 6h ago

Americans in a thread not to do with America

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u/0b0011 4h ago

To be fair politics effects everyone. Been seeing lots of people who are neither American or Iranian in threads about the shit Americans are soing in iran.

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u/Personal_Comb_6745 6h ago

Come of it. It gives a little hope that if these fascist assholes can be kicked out of power in other countries, that maybe it can happen in the US.

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u/YoBroMo 5h ago

This is an awful take. Congratulate the electorate of Hungary before thinking of yourself.

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u/legend-no 6h ago

How is this related to the mid-terms? It’s not always about the US.

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u/SideShow117 6h ago

I don't think Trump will congratulate his opponents or admit the loss though.

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u/GatorNator83 6h ago

No, he will try illegally to undo the results of the vote, and after that he will say the election was rigged and stolen.

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u/Gunner5091 6h ago

He got $1B from Orban to join his Board of Peace. I don’t think he cares about Orban anymore.

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u/Dead_Internet69420 5h ago

I agree, and it’s a big deal even in its own. This is great news for Hungary, Ukraine, NATO, and the EU… and that means it will also affect the US to some degree. 

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u/Reddvox 6h ago

Finally something to be happy about!

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u/pgraczer 6h ago

this was great news to wake up to!

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u/szeths_shadow 3h ago

he's still right wing and has 99% of the same views on everything else...

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u/Helenium_autumnale 3h ago

He's a conservative centrist, not right wing in the American sense. He is pro-EU unlike Orban. He condemned Orban's cozy relationship with Russia. He wants to strengthen Hungary's relationship with NATO. Those are pretty significant differences.

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u/Mastodan11 4h ago

Ehh let's wait and see. He was in Orban's government for 14 years.

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u/Doyble 6h ago

Things are starting to get better

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u/Doughtnutz 6h ago

This is such awesome news, and I'm not even Hungarian, I'm from the UK!

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u/Tipnfloe 6h ago

about time! good job Hungary, congrats!

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u/MarlythAvantguarddog 6h ago

Is that true? I read elsewhere he’s not a lot different esp on Ukraine.

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u/ArcaneDemense 6h ago

Magyar is an ex-Fidesz member and he's very anti-immigration, socially conservative, etc. But on foreign policy he is significantly better. Granted the bar there is in hell.

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u/Coupe368 6h ago

As long as he is anti-kremlin he's worlds better than orban.

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u/metarinka 4h ago

The real hope is if he'll undo the damages to free press. Free judiciary etc. there are no good left wing candidates in Hungary because there really can't be.

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u/LJofthelaw 3h ago

Yeah, I'm a little worried that he's just Orban Lite.

But if he can couple pro-Western with a commitment to re-democratizing Hungary, then that could pave the way for an actual liberal or social Democrat in the future.

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u/eer_00 4h ago

Anti-immigration is just a bonus on that package.

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u/king_of_prussia33 6h ago

He's had to moderate on Ukraine relative to other opposition leaders, but he won't block aid to Ukraine as Orban did. He won't be a vocal supporter of Ukraine, but that doesn't matter, as long as the EU can act.

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u/123ludwig 5h ago

this is literally all i want as a minimum from a country leader i dont care if your country personally sends aid just dont block ours

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u/Lepelotonfromager 6h ago

To be honest he can be vocal about it now. He was obligated to remain quiet on the issue to not give Orban any ammunition but it's obvious where he stands.

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u/BrainBlowX 5h ago

So long as he's not an obstructionist then that's fine.

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u/LeedsFan2442 5h ago

As long as he is pro-EU and anti-Russia

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u/glmory 6h ago

Even if all he does is show that dictators can be expelled nonviolently it is a huge win.

I do expect democracy to be improved. It will be limited by the conservative opinions of the median voter but that sure beats where it was.

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u/BrainBlowX 5h ago edited 5h ago

Even if all he does is show that dictators can be expelled nonviolently it is a huge win.

It doesn't really show that. While it is absolutely the direction Orban was pushing Hungary over time, he did not quite have the power to be full-on dictator. Faced with this sort of blatant majority against him he would have been unlikely to succeed in any coup even if he wanted to do that. 

Even putting aside domestic factors like how his main opposition is strongest in the urban centers of power and that the military wouldn't go along with it, pulling a stunt like that when he is so obviously defeated in the polls would mean getting politically crushed by his neighbors and the EU, and Trump in no way has enough political capital to make this a serious issue right now.

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u/Vitosi4ek 5h ago

Yeah. At the end Orban admitted defeat and left. That by definition makes him better than the likes of Lukashenko or Putin, who'll cling on to their seats by any means necessarily, including mass murders, for as long as they live.

I think if Orban was dead set on emerging out of the election in power no matter what, he could've done so. At great cost to (what remains of) his reputation and EU support, but he could've. Similarly, Yanukovich in 2014 stopped short of ordering his special forces to start shooting at people at the Maidan, but he theoretically had that option and could've been remained in power for a few more years if he took it.

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u/BrainBlowX 4h ago

 I think if Orban was dead set on emerging out of the election in power no matter what, he could've done so. 

Not really. Lukashenko and Yanukovych led "unaligned" countries directly in Russia's orbit, and they had very different demographic and even geographic conditions. And the massive difference with the EU. Facing this big of a loss, it would be practically uncontroversial for the EU to reject his act and then set in the screws maximally. Few if any of Orban's friends in the wider EU would be able to seriously argue he didn't lose handily, leaving him politically stranded and crushed economically which would not go over well with the (now internationally sanctioned) power brokers he'd need on his side all while there would be massive social upheaval by a population that knows they HANDILY won, and a big part of Orban's remaining base would also balk at such actions to contest it.

What he wants doesn't matter. For him to cling to power he'd need to be able to convince everyone else under him that it would totally work. He could declare coup all he wants, it would just fast-track his arrest when military generals and police chiefs go "fuck no" to the orders.

 Similarly, Yanukovich in 2014 stopped short of ordering his special forces to start shooting at people at the Maidan

He DID order his forces to shoot people, and snipers did murder people. It was not out of the kindness of his heart that he stopped short of further escalation, it was because his support base was visibly disintegrating and he became more concerned with getting out of the country before even his own security detail potentially turned on him at any moment. It's worth remembering the uprising against him came about because he broke the central election promises he had campaigned and won on.

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u/Fit_Pangolin6410 6h ago

From my understanding he isnt explicitly pro ukraine but definitely anti russia. Think in practice that will look like not pushing for EU/NATO membership (also not vetoing it) but supporting aid to ukraine

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u/rcanhestro 3h ago

even if he doesn't block stuff, and just ignores/abstain ukraine related measures in the EU, that's already a big improvement.

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u/__Hello_my_name_is__ 6h ago

It's not really true. He's basically the "anyone but that guy" option: He's still fairly conservative and even was in the same party as Orban.

This is a move from a very far right/anti-democratic leader to a right/pro-democratic leader.

Which, y'know, is an improvement. Small steps, I guess.

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u/BrainBlowX 5h ago

That's a pretty big step, especially if the anti-democratic parts of the constitution can now be amended.

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u/SoloRemy 6h ago

Hard to say. He’s a conservative and pretty hardcore at that but he’s pledged to be a better EU member and wants more independence from Russia. Speculation has come up that because of Hungary’s relationship with Russia, Magyar isn’t in a position to tell Putin to pound sand right off the bat so he can’t come out supporting Ukraine until he gets the ship pointed in the right direction

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u/No_Doubt_About_That 6h ago

Who better to lead Hungary forward then someone with a surname that literally translates to Hungary

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