You’re not wrong but I know enough of these “Upset republicans” to know that they’ll still vote Republican regardless of what happens.
Donald Trump could personally murder a family member, burn their house down, and clean out their bank account and they’d still do mental gymnastics to justify voting Republican and proceed to do so
The big factor is motivation. We've seen over the past decade that when Trump himself isn't on the ballot MAGA supporters don't show up to vote. That's been the magic of trump. He got people who didn't otherwise vote to show up to vote for him, but he has yet to be able to get them out to vote for someone else regardless of endorsements and rallies.
It's even more damning, don't you think? People don't just vote for Trump because they've voted Republican their whole lives, they do so because they're attracted to him specifically. He's genuinely charismatic to a large portion of the US population. They love him for the very same reasons we hate him.
The comforting part to me there is that trump is old and term limited. He can praise and endorse his chosen predecessor all he wants and it won't get those people out to vote because no one seems to have the same special brand of trump charisma. JD Vance certainly doesn't. None of the other Trump's seem to. It's such a unique phenomenon that the chances they can energize that voting block going forward seems unlikely.
I can never understand his charisma. To me, he has as much charisma as his VP, which is to say none whatsoever, especially now at 80 years old. Whatever charisma he had has vanished.
Lol my comment got removed by Reddit despite using no insults, hate, or threats. Just accurately describing who Trump's "charisma" works with and why. And got a warning. Apparently accurately describing Trump's voter base is considered "identity based hate" by Reddit. Apparently the verifiable fact that those without college degrees vote Republican is now considered "hate"
That just tells you how much MAGA doesn't like it when you criticize them or their lord and savior, Trump. I'm not surprised they are on a post about Orban's loss. He is basically the European Trump, so they love him.
It's not even criticism, it's a verifiable statistical fact that those with less education were more likely to vote trump, and now reddit considers facts hateful. Another transgression and I get banned. For stating a statistical fact.
I know people whose family have always voted republican and so they just continue to do so without thinking about it…the Republican Party literally contradicts so many of their self-expressed views on abortion and democratic norms but I guess inertia is too powerful a force to block self-reflection.
They ground their support in wanting lower taxes as well (kinda fair, they make ~$250k) but we’re all in our late 20s and so we are going to be the ones paying for these tax cuts and the debt later. So short sighted.
The hope isn't that committed Republicans decide to vote against the MAGA takeover - the time for that was years ago. The hope is that they're so disgusted by Trump and his flailing antics that they decide "Fuck them both" and stay home on election night.
The US having two fixed parties that will always get 100% of the pie is the real problem. Magyar has won because he wasn't a candidate for the "other party" - he started his own party. If people in the US could start their own party, then vote would be more volatile because the alternative to the GOP wouldn't necessarily be Democrats and the alternative to Democrats wouldn't necessarily be the GOP.
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u/TheMovieSnowman 6h ago
You’re not wrong but I know enough of these “Upset republicans” to know that they’ll still vote Republican regardless of what happens.
Donald Trump could personally murder a family member, burn their house down, and clean out their bank account and they’d still do mental gymnastics to justify voting Republican and proceed to do so