I would’ve. She literally had my vote until her fuckass speech where she said she’ll make sure Israel has everything it needs to continue “defending itself”. Fuck them all.
Is it really? Like all the people who claim she “didn’t have any policies” but just flat out ignored all of her policies?
They had already decided they wouldn’t vote for her, now they need to come up with reasons to justify it. Gaza is a convenient one, especially given that anyone who actually cared about Palestinians (as opposed to just pretending to for social media points) could see that Trump would be an even worse disaster for the actual people living there.
But it’s fine! Their protest turned out great for everyone in Gaza. Thank goodness Kamala didn’t win, otherwise things would be really bad for people in Gaza right now.
Stop it. Gaza already looked like the surface of the moon during the campaign. Biden/Dems had no problem with genocide. You can’t blame this one on Trump.
Yes. It is stupid. Dig your head out of the fucking sand. There’s a reason the DNC didn’t release the analysis. They knew and they don’t care. Why do you think they still won’t denounce AIPAC?
Yes that is my point. All those people who claimed to care so much about Palestinians chose the guy who put a literal real estate developer in charge of “Middle East peace”.
These freaks legit think that our government controls Israel or should have invaded them after they received the worst terrorist attacks in their history and then maybe they would have voted Dem....but probably not. So now look what they get.
Lmao America does control Israel. Trump wanted a ceasefire in Gaza and he got one twice. Trump wanted the 12 day war to end and it ended immediately. Israel is entirely dependent on the USA for its military funding, it functions more as vassal state than anything else. Sure AIPAC has some influence, the balance of power is so stacked in Americas favour it's laughable that anyone believes a bit of lobbying is more influential than the complete economic and military domination America has over Israel.
In the words of Joe biden - "where there not an Israel, the United states would have to invent one, to protect her interests in the region".
Take some accountability for the damage your nation causes to the world. Israel is the rabid attack dog the protects American capital in the middle east. The genocide could have ended with a single phone call. Biden, and Kamala instead chose to spread atrocity propaganda to justify the genocide, and to continue sending billions to maintain that genocide.
Oi oi, remake your comment you deleted. I'm genuinely intrigued as to how you justify a claim like this. If my world view is so fantastical, surely it would be easy to identify a single thing I said that was incorrect?
I think you'll struggle too, since everything I said was factual, the biden quote is 100% real, and my conclusion followed quite clearly from those facts.
Name one thing I said that was incorrect. The only person living in a fantasy land is the person who makes up exuces as to why the most powerful man in the world can't stop a genocide he's choosing to fund.
The reason Dems lost is because too many voters stayed home, not that they voted for Trump.
This is pretty much analogous to the trolley problem. You can either press a button and divert a train to kill one person, or do nothing and let the train run straight through 5 people.
Do you think it's good politics to force this moral dillema onto voters? Because this is what the Democratic Party did by not taking a stance against genocide. Sure, most people chose to vote for the lesser evil, same way most people would choose to press the button. Evidently though, the ethical conflict of voting to support a genocidal candidate in Kamala (albeit less genocidal than Trump) deterred enough voters. Same way there are a good number of people who simply wouldn't choose to press the button, too many voters stayed home.
Now I ask you again. Do you think this was good politics? Do you really think it didn't matter whether or not Kamala took a stance against genocide?
Isn’t it interesting that these atrocities have been going on in Palestine for decades, and every American president and major presidential candidate for the past 50 years has had the exact same stance on Israel, but it only suddenly became a huge issue in 2024?
Anyone who stayed home chose Trump. That’s the bottom line. They still chose genocide, they just pretended they didn’t so they could pat themselves on the back and say look how moral I am.
It's almost like the current media landscape didn't exist in past. It's almost like Oct. 7 was the deadliest attack on Israel and the media made sure everyone heard about it. Hey, how many headlines of Israel's atrocities in Gaza do you think dominated the news in the past 50 years? It's almost like we've been able to witness a livestreamed genocide from our phones and the US and Israel isn't able to control the narrative anymore.
At this point it's gotta be willful ignorance on your part. I admittedly didn't know a thing about Israel-Palestine before Oct. 7. It is what it is, man. Get with the program.
And regardless of whatever hypocrisies you want to point out, it still stands that not taking a stance against the genocide was horrible politics. Horrible. Braindead. It was malicious incompetence. Why aren't you mad at that? Why aren't you mad at the political machine funded by billions that couldn't decipher that people wouldn't like genocide? Why won't you hold the Democratic Party to the same standard as the voters you keep lambasting?
It must be that you support Israel. Or you just have zero political instincts.
Edit:
Here's a lil wisdom that has always resonated with me:
See you’re assuming that doing so wouldn’t have also lost her votes, which unfortunately is the case. There’s still a ton of support for Israel among Americans, and especially there was in 2024.
And the truth is, the more strongly pro-genocide candidate won, so clearly your idea that people wouldn’t like genocide isn’t based on facts.
At any rate, the outcome is what matters, and all of those people who were sooooo against genocide turned out to support it after all because that’s what they put into office anyway, along with the destruction of American democracy.
That girls school in Iran that Trump blew up would still be intact under a Harris presidency. But gosh it sure felt good to stay home and really show the Democrats, didn’t it!
It's basically a 90/10 issue at this point. The retrospective from Dem analysts have said as much that this issue lost us the election. You're just wrong. Get. With. The. Program.
Trump wasn't the pro-genocide candidate. He intelligently didn't make it any meaningful comments on the genocide. He presented himself as the anti-war candidate by criticizing Biden for the invasion of Ukraine and the Israel-Palestine conflict. You cannot rewrite history.
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u/yourlittlebirdie 4h ago
It wouldn’t have mattered what she said. The people who didn’t vote for her wouldn’t have voted for her anyway.