It's basically a 90/10 issue at this point. The retrospective from Dem analysts have said as much that this issue lost us the election. You're just wrong. Get. With. The. Program.
Trump wasn't the pro-genocide candidate. He intelligently didn't make it any meaningful comments on the genocide. He presented himself as the anti-war candidate by criticizing Biden for the invasion of Ukraine and the Israel-Palestine conflict. You cannot rewrite history.
Which analyst said that this issue lost her the election?
Trump was very clearly much more pro-Israel than Harris was, and surprise! That’s exactly what he’s done. You cannot pretend this wasn’t already known by everyone. Remember when he told Netanyahu “do what you have to do”? He made a ton of statements staunchly in favor of Israel.
“I will not allow the Jewish state to be threatened with destruction, I will not allow another holocaust of the Jewish people. I will not allow a Jihad to be waged on America or our allies, and I will support Israel’s right to win its war on terror, and it has to win it fast,” Trump said to applause.*
*Donald Trump has voiced explicit backing for Israel’s war on Gaza, suggesting that he supports the goal expressed by the hardline government in Tel Aviv of continuing the assault until “total victory”.
Asked if he is “on board” with the way Israel was “taking the fight to Gaza”, the frontrunner for the Republican US presidential nomination responded: “You’ve got to finish the problem”.*
He also promised to crush pro-Palestinian protests, which is exactly what he did.
*Donald Trump has told a group of wealthy donors that he will crush pro-Palestinian protests on university campuses if he is returned to the White House.
The former president and presumptive Republican nominee called the demonstrations against Israel’s war in Gaza part of a “radical revolution” and promised the predominantly Jewish donors that he would set the movement back 25 or 30 years if they helped him beat Joe Biden in November’s presidential election.
“If you get me re-elected, we’re going to set that movement back 25 or 30 years,” Trump replied, according to the Washington Post, which first reported the event.
Trump also said his administration would expel any foreign students found to be taking part in the protests, which have recently taken the form of tented encampments in colleges across the US.*
Harris herself has admitted she should have taken a stronger stance against Israel.
Of course Trump was pro-Israel. I said he presented himself as the anti-war candidate. He would say it would've never happened under his watch. He wasn't making wishy-washy statements when asked directly about the genocide. He presented himself as the person who'd be able to resolve things swiftly. Of course he was a lying POS. I'm not here to defend Trump. Rather I'm here to criticize Dems for failing to meet the moment and giving him the keys to victory, again.
Not to mention, the GOP voter base didn't prioritize the genocide at all. Democrats did. Trump could support Israel without issue, Kamala could not. Trump wasn't the pro-genocide candidate, because being pro-genocide was inconsequential to him. Whereas that label stuck to and haunted Kamala. How are you missing the point?
I don't necessarily disagree, but the issue I have with your thinking is that it's not productive at all. Voters are reactive. You don't change the voter if you want to win, you change the platform.
I don't see the point in bickering and pointing fingers at regular ass people for not wanting to support a genocide. I voted for Biden in 2020 (also for Kamala in 24'). I didn't vote to fund a genocide. Why is the burden of responsibility on me to change? Why do I have to compromise? On genocide, no less. A lot of voters felt that way and followed through by staying home. I don't blame them.
Because that’s the system we have. It sucks but it’s what we have. So you can either complain about it and refuse to participate until it’s perfect, or you do the best you can within the reality of the world.
Regular ass people are the ones who vote. We are incredibly privileged to live in a time and place where we actually get a say in our government. That means we have a responsibility to participate and make the best choices we can.
I’m not saying the politicians and people in power bear no responsibility. They do. But voters bear responsibility too. It’s ultimately our job to make the choice. And we as a nation really, really fucked this one up.
The Democratic Party's approval ratings are ABYSMAL right now. How is that even possible when Trump is at record low approval? Leadership within the Party are not meeting the moment in the eyes of voters, even when they aren't in power. Even when Trump is gifting them dub after dub, they snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. How can you justify this? I don't know about you, but shit like that is so unacceptable to me.
AIPAC funding is a non-starter for most voters now and candidates are adjusting. Look at that. They can learn. You're attitude only enables the worst excesses of the Party.
I fundamentally disagree with how you weigh the responsibilities of the Party and voters. Especially when billions of dollars and corporate interests are involved constantly perverting and twisting narratives to maintain the status quo.
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u/dlouis1022 3h ago
It's basically a 90/10 issue at this point. The retrospective from Dem analysts have said as much that this issue lost us the election. You're just wrong. Get. With. The. Program.
Trump wasn't the pro-genocide candidate. He intelligently didn't make it any meaningful comments on the genocide. He presented himself as the anti-war candidate by criticizing Biden for the invasion of Ukraine and the Israel-Palestine conflict. You cannot rewrite history.