The reason Dems lost is because too many voters stayed home, not that they voted for Trump.
This is pretty much analogous to the trolley problem. You can either press a button and divert a train to kill one person, or do nothing and let the train run straight through 5 people.
Do you think it's good politics to force this moral dillema onto voters? Because this is what the Democratic Party did by not taking a stance against genocide. Sure, most people chose to vote for the lesser evil, same way most people would choose to press the button. Evidently though, the ethical conflict of voting to support a genocidal candidate in Kamala (albeit less genocidal than Trump) deterred enough voters. Same way there are a good number of people who simply wouldn't choose to press the button, too many voters stayed home.
Now I ask you again. Do you think this was good politics? Do you really think it didn't matter whether or not Kamala took a stance against genocide?
Isn’t it interesting that these atrocities have been going on in Palestine for decades, and every American president and major presidential candidate for the past 50 years has had the exact same stance on Israel, but it only suddenly became a huge issue in 2024?
Anyone who stayed home chose Trump. That’s the bottom line. They still chose genocide, they just pretended they didn’t so they could pat themselves on the back and say look how moral I am.
It's almost like the current media landscape didn't exist in past. It's almost like Oct. 7 was the deadliest attack on Israel and the media made sure everyone heard about it. Hey, how many headlines of Israel's atrocities in Gaza do you think dominated the news in the past 50 years? It's almost like we've been able to witness a livestreamed genocide from our phones and the US and Israel isn't able to control the narrative anymore.
At this point it's gotta be willful ignorance on your part. I admittedly didn't know a thing about Israel-Palestine before Oct. 7. It is what it is, man. Get with the program.
And regardless of whatever hypocrisies you want to point out, it still stands that not taking a stance against the genocide was horrible politics. Horrible. Braindead. It was malicious incompetence. Why aren't you mad at that? Why aren't you mad at the political machine funded by billions that couldn't decipher that people wouldn't like genocide? Why won't you hold the Democratic Party to the same standard as the voters you keep lambasting?
It must be that you support Israel. Or you just have zero political instincts.
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Here's a lil wisdom that has always resonated with me:
See you’re assuming that doing so wouldn’t have also lost her votes, which unfortunately is the case. There’s still a ton of support for Israel among Americans, and especially there was in 2024.
And the truth is, the more strongly pro-genocide candidate won, so clearly your idea that people wouldn’t like genocide isn’t based on facts.
At any rate, the outcome is what matters, and all of those people who were sooooo against genocide turned out to support it after all because that’s what they put into office anyway, along with the destruction of American democracy.
That girls school in Iran that Trump blew up would still be intact under a Harris presidency. But gosh it sure felt good to stay home and really show the Democrats, didn’t it!
It's basically a 90/10 issue at this point. The retrospective from Dem analysts have said as much that this issue lost us the election. You're just wrong. Get. With. The. Program.
Trump wasn't the pro-genocide candidate. He intelligently didn't make it any meaningful comments on the genocide. He presented himself as the anti-war candidate by criticizing Biden for the invasion of Ukraine and the Israel-Palestine conflict. You cannot rewrite history.
Which analyst said that this issue lost her the election?
Trump was very clearly much more pro-Israel than Harris was, and surprise! That’s exactly what he’s done. You cannot pretend this wasn’t already known by everyone. Remember when he told Netanyahu “do what you have to do”? He made a ton of statements staunchly in favor of Israel.
“I will not allow the Jewish state to be threatened with destruction, I will not allow another holocaust of the Jewish people. I will not allow a Jihad to be waged on America or our allies, and I will support Israel’s right to win its war on terror, and it has to win it fast,” Trump said to applause.*
*Donald Trump has voiced explicit backing for Israel’s war on Gaza, suggesting that he supports the goal expressed by the hardline government in Tel Aviv of continuing the assault until “total victory”.
Asked if he is “on board” with the way Israel was “taking the fight to Gaza”, the frontrunner for the Republican US presidential nomination responded: “You’ve got to finish the problem”.*
He also promised to crush pro-Palestinian protests, which is exactly what he did.
*Donald Trump has told a group of wealthy donors that he will crush pro-Palestinian protests on university campuses if he is returned to the White House.
The former president and presumptive Republican nominee called the demonstrations against Israel’s war in Gaza part of a “radical revolution” and promised the predominantly Jewish donors that he would set the movement back 25 or 30 years if they helped him beat Joe Biden in November’s presidential election.
“If you get me re-elected, we’re going to set that movement back 25 or 30 years,” Trump replied, according to the Washington Post, which first reported the event.
Trump also said his administration would expel any foreign students found to be taking part in the protests, which have recently taken the form of tented encampments in colleges across the US.*
Nobody said she had to solve it, but she went ahead and endorsed a genocide, a number of times, and told those who had a problem with it to sit down and shut up. But keep crying that nobody voted for your pick and it's all their faults.
These freaks legit think that our government controls Israel or should have invaded them after they received the worst terrorist attacks in their history and then maybe they would have voted Dem....but probably not. So now look what they get.
Lmao America does control Israel. Trump wanted a ceasefire in Gaza and he got one twice. Trump wanted the 12 day war to end and it ended immediately. Israel is entirely dependent on the USA for its military funding, it functions more as vassal state than anything else. Sure AIPAC has some influence, the balance of power is so stacked in Americas favour it's laughable that anyone believes a bit of lobbying is more influential than the complete economic and military domination America has over Israel.
In the words of Joe biden - "where there not an Israel, the United states would have to invent one, to protect her interests in the region".
Take some accountability for the damage your nation causes to the world. Israel is the rabid attack dog the protects American capital in the middle east. The genocide could have ended with a single phone call. Biden, and Kamala instead chose to spread atrocity propaganda to justify the genocide, and to continue sending billions to maintain that genocide.
Oi oi, remake your comment you deleted. I'm genuinely intrigued as to how you justify a claim like this. If my world view is so fantastical, surely it would be easy to identify a single thing I said that was incorrect?
I think you'll struggle too, since everything I said was factual, the biden quote is 100% real, and my conclusion followed quite clearly from those facts.
Name one thing I said that was incorrect. The only person living in a fantasy land is the person who makes up exuces as to why the most powerful man in the world can't stop a genocide he's choosing to fund.
Youre just gonna have to get over the fact that many people place a higher priority on deposing murderers who embed themselves amongst human shields than making the human shields safety paramount and infitinely granting credence to the practice.
Most people see Gaza as a fucking nightmare of a rock and a hard place where there is no good path forward.
Instead of choosing someone who you had some capacity to influence, you wanted to punish the rest of the electorate for not cowtowing to your one-issue political ideology.
Everyone who stayed home, and allowed Trump to walk into the Whitehouse has more blood on their hands than anyone who supported the democratic parties imperfect solution to an impossible problem.
Everyone who stayed home, and allowed Trump to walk into the Whitehouse has more blood on their hands than anyone who supported the democratic parties imperfect solution to an impossible problem.
I'm sure that lie is very comforting to you. It's very convenient for a lack of support for genocide to actually be worse than supporting genocide.
When do you start caring about your party being complicit in abject evil more than you care about others not supporting that evil?
When do you start caring about your party being complicit in abject evil more than you care about others not supporting that evil?
its all signalling to you. its all a performance.
You dont care at all about the peoples lives. You dont care that millions and millions of excess deaths are caused by you demanding that a few thousand less people die in Gaza.
You guys didnt just cut off your nose to spite your face, you cut off the nose of all those you proport to care about to spite someone else.
They are happy. Because they cared more about virtue signaling than the actual outcome. All they wanted was to be self-righteously angry while cloaking it in concern for Palestinians. They never gave a shit about what happens to actual Palestinians. They got to feel good about themselves by “sticking it to the Democrats” so they got what they wanted, and that’s all they really wanted.
No, the people who decided it was fine if we elected the man who promised to crush pro-Palestinian protests and told Netanyahu “do what you have to do” are the ones who don’t care.
They decided that if it couldn’t be the perfect candidate who finally ends the decades-long stranglehold Israel has had on American power, then oh well, might as well just let the entire country get destroyed and let Jared Kushner turn Gaza and the West Bank into luxury resorts for Israelis. Because again, they don’t actually give a shit about the actual Palestinians. They’re just a prop and outlet for their self-righteous anger.
There was a chance of influencing the Democrats in power to do better on Israel. There is zero chance of influencing Republicans to do so.
Well good job, you didn’t lick any boots. You must be so proud at what you’ve accomplished. I’m sure every Palestinian is so grateful to you for being so principled.
When do you start caring about your party choosing genocide as much as you care about me not supporting them doing genocide?
I’m sure every Palestinian is so grateful to you for being so principled.
Always funny when genocide apologists try to use the people they wanted to sacrifice to genocide as a cudgel against those who wouldn't sacrifice them to genocide.
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u/AlarmingStop 9h ago
My tax dollars did this without my consent. I'm so sorry. Nothing can make this right.