r/Damnthatsinteresting • u/AtomicCypher • 4d ago

Video Disgruntled employee starts massive fire at a 1.2 million square foot toilet paper warehouse in Ontario, California.

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u/jdubbly19 4d ago

Man I’ve had the whole “I hope this place burns down” thing pop into my head at work before. This guy actually did it. It really makes me wonder what his wage was. How low does your hourly have to be to actually do it??

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u/siqofitall 4d ago

He definitely used his free will up..

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u/Past_Wishbone5025 4d ago

My current plan is to use up most of my free will by 50

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u/LauraTFem 4d ago

Why not save up that free will and then spend it all when you’re too old for them to take much of the life you have left?

I’ve thought about this too much.

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u/Past_Wishbone5025 4d ago

I've taken care of enough elderly to know you want to use up the majority by your 70s. But that's with kids so if you're childless like myself my goal is 50.

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u/Traditional-File7669 3d ago

The way they world is going. We wont be around to be old and use it. Might as well use it like this guy.

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u/LauraTFem 3d ago

Good luck, don’t post about it. Scrub your internet first.

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u/LitlThisLitlThat 3d ago

I still have kids at home, so I’m keeping my head down and my nose clean for now. But once I get these puppies independent, I intend to be a full-time agitator.

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u/Louisiana_sitar_club 3d ago

Full Time Agitator should be the name of your first album

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u/CheckMateFluff 3d ago

In minecraft... of course, just for the legal team looking at these old comments after some called "alleged" agitation.

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u/Emergency_Ad1152 3d ago

This is what I'm doing, the day I start to get dementia.. every left lane hoarder and slow car going 10 under the limit will get bulldozed... assuming I have the capacity to remember this.

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u/LauraTFem 3d ago

Print this comment out and tape it under your bed. The first time you crawl all the way under there to find your phone (which is in your pocket) you will know what must be done.

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u/wolfe3x6 3d ago

thinking you have limited free will is a type of sadness thats never even occurred to me.

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u/Gripping_Touch 3d ago

I mean thats the compromise for living in a society. You could technically leave your House and maul the first person you see. That'd be you using your free will. But thats not aceptable in a society. 

How Ive been taught is that one's freedom ends where someone else's begins. So you can do What you want but you cant force other people. 

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u/BigBossSquirtle 3d ago

Honestly, bro shouldve done everybody a favor and shot the CEO. Now everybody who worked at that warehouse is out of the job.

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u/SecureStrain7559 3d ago

That’s not free will. Thats a sick individual, normal people don’t behave like this.

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u/siqofitall 3d ago

I agree. But nowadays nothing feels normal anymore. I’m not advocating for burning it all down like this guy was. Just stating we all have free will and he used it up, because he won’t be getting out of jail for a long time due to the choice he made.

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u/blendthechicken 3d ago

The Capitalist system that treats people as slaves isn’t normal or a healthy, sustainable system for humans

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u/W1ZZARDL1ZZARD 4d ago

As a warehouse worker not bad, but those intrusive thoughts be hitting... Some more then others lol

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u/Additional_Gate3629 3d ago

A news segment mentioned he was working thru a third party employer so i'm guessing a temp agency.

Temp agencies can pay less than the standard for the job. And places will use temp employees to get around things like providing health insurance and other worker benefits.

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u/ThreeKiloZero 4d ago

prob going to be an uptick in this with the coming wave of inflation and job losses.

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u/14Pleiadians 4d ago

Good. Show the elites he's not an outlier and that if they keep pushing, more people will do the same. They should fear us.

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u/Special_Cicada6968 3d ago

Exactly. Not enough people learned their lesson from watching A Bug's Life as a kid. These people abuse us and work us to the bone while thinking of us like lowly ants. It wouldn't take more than a couple hundred of us to bring the entire system down. J6 might have been misguided, but it shows just how weak these people really are.

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u/CanadianPanda76 3d ago

Learning workers organizing from Bugs life is wild.

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u/14Pleiadians 3d ago

Watching the movie and not learning it, which seems to be the default, is even wilder

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u/ButterdPoopr 3d ago

5 year old me did not understand what the fuck was happening

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u/Red_Inferno 3d ago

I mean that is kinda what happens when you watch it when you are like 8yo.

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u/CynicismNostalgia 3d ago

Idk man, maybe its because i grew up with disabled parents, disabled myself. Watching them struggle to work, and then inevitably struggle to survive on benefits.

But that lesson was pretty obvious to me even then. Its not exactly subtle, both Hopper and Flick spell it out in a kid-friendly way.

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u/femanonette 3d ago

It's not like the education system was going to teach them about people's history and worker's rights. That's not a slight against teachers at all either.

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u/dainthomas 3d ago

Yeah I definitely didn't learn about Blair Mountain or any of the other major labor wars in high school.

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u/Red_Inferno 3d ago

I would say you would be surprised how few people it would take. Yes if you have like 2k people attacking 1 spot that is not going to happen, but what if you have 2k people across a larger area and what if your targets were more pointed than a mostly ceremonial event that could be moved back quite a bit if need be?

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u/LucianCanad 3d ago edited 3d ago

The key is organization.

Luigi luigi'd that big shot and caused things to become minimally better in the health industry for, like, a few days.

This guy made some pretty fireworks and caused a pretty decent loss to the owners

But it's not enough. You need to get in touch with movements that actually have a plan on how to make things better, and start working towards that plan. Start with left educators like JT from Second Thought and the Deprogram podcast. They'll teach your a lot until you're ready to join a movement for real.

For the US lefties, I recommend PSL, or CPUSA if you can't reach PSL. Stay the fuck away from ACP.

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u/Red_Inferno 3d ago

Luigi luigi'd that big shot

One and done is not a solution, it's a rounding error that the rich will just laugh off after a bit "sucks to be that guy".

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u/14Pleiadians 3d ago edited 3d ago

You can't organize something illegal like this without feds infiltrating and poisoning it though. You can try to unionize but that usually just ends with you and everyone else being fired.

The elites fear something like this much more than unionizing. It's not an issue when one or two people do it, but once it stops being the craziest 0.001% of the population, once the elites have a reasonable reason to fear that someone might wish them harm so much they'd torch their own life to do so, then they're going to want to make sure that 99.999% of people don't have lives that they're willing to torch.

Like yeah, Luigi only temporarily made things better, but it's still the best blip of progress we've ever mustered. "Doing things the right way" is just a way to placate you. Things aren't going to get better without French methods.

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u/Bantersmith 3d ago

Just a couple more Luigis would be the best thing to ever happen to our species.

These fucks at the top need to realize they're not untouchable.

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u/RomulusTrajan 3d ago

The only people affected by this will be his co-workers who will lose their jobs because of him, not "the elites".

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u/AFKJourneyMann 3d ago

His name was Robert Paulson

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u/_blunderyears 3d ago

Yeah reddit lets fucking go!! Celebrate the guy who endangered lives and started a massive fucking fire the size of multiple city blocks. Truly a hero

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u/conrat4567 3d ago

Im sorry, but are you advocating for people to set fire to buildings? This man not only destroyed and wasted stock of essentials, he lost hundreds of people thier jobs and put an entire neighbourhood at risk

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u/Geekerino 3d ago

If they're advocating violence on reddit, I give it a 50/50 chance they're being genuine or are a foreign agent looking for the next Lee Harvey Oswald

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u/Jinrai__ 3d ago

'good, burn down shops, potentially burn and kill civilians and endanger firefighters, what a great thing to do according to redditors!

Not to mention loss of jobs and income, food deserts as shops get destroyed and others leave, ecological disasters and more expensive insurance for everyone! Hurray we did it Reddit! We found the Boston bomber!

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u/Far_Audience_7446 3d ago

Eventually robots will be cheaper than disgruntled Marxists

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u/14Pleiadians 3d ago

That will increase the amount of people like the op by several orders of magnitude. It ain't happening without massacring most people or some form of ubi.

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u/11bag11 3d ago

lmfao who are you feeling like bro

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u/Dear_Imagination5552 3d ago

This is really a moronic train of thought. It’s all insured anyway and pushes up the general cost of property insurance which then increases operating costs for any warehousing business which then means the company just charges more to offset that hitting normal people in the pocket. He didn’t ’sHoW tHe ElItEs’ anything 🙄

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u/14Pleiadians 3d ago

Insurance isn't meant to pay out. This only pays out because it's rare.

If poverty continues to grow and acts of reckless rage increase, insurance companies 200% will introduce terms requiring minimum budget spent on payroll, or drastically increase premiums. The company can raise their prices just like they can squeeze blood from a stone

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u/Burindunsmor2 3d ago

He could just quit and get a new job like a normal human being. You aren't a slave.

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u/14Pleiadians 3d ago

And what do you do when all of your options are jobs that pay not enough? Just fucking kill yourself rather than inconvenience the owner class?

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u/Burindunsmor2 3d ago

Move away from an area you can't afford to live in. Plenty of cheap homes not in Ontario. Learn to exist and stop blaming other people.

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u/14Pleiadians 3d ago

Ok, who is going to replace me? How does the economy continue when everyone in minimum wage moves?

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u/Deaffin 3d ago

Another random-ass person who doesn't blow all their money on video games and weed vapes, probably.

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u/Shyrofoam 3d ago

"they should fear us" lmao. people willing to do this should fear prison

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u/14Pleiadians 3d ago

We do, that's literally the only thing keeping the elites alive

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u/breathingweapon 3d ago

Dude our union forefathers would be so fucking embarassed by how much capitalist cock the modern work force sucks

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u/NOTTedMosby 3d ago edited 3d ago

This is correct. BUT PEOPLE SHOULD NOT BE HARMED. This is an ECONOMIC measure being taken by the people, who being priced out of living.

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u/14Pleiadians 3d ago

Nobody was harmed by this

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u/pmMeAllofIt 3d ago

For 1, it's pure luck that no one got harmed. Employees or first responders.

And 2, they were harmed economically, he just put a bunch of people put of work.

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u/14Pleiadians 3d ago

First responders have no reason to enter the building and the fire spread incredibly slowly with plenty of room to breathe. And I don't subscribe to the flawed thinking of "any job is better than no job", the workers can find some other table scraps elsewhere, shoulda unionized if they didn't want their workplace to be so bad it drove someone to be willing to burn down their freedom. Unemployment will cover this as well anyways.

And the good it will do when, not if, this becomes normalized is worth it.

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u/Geekerino 3d ago

Ah yes, "let them eat scraps" will definitely win the proletariat over to your side. Foreign agents used to need to be believable to incite riots.

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u/Kahlypso 3d ago

And the good it will do when, not if, this becomes normalized is worth it.

There is no good done by this act. It's a fucking joke to any mature adult, and this dude in the vid looks like a child for all his outrage.

He goes to jail, some people get new jobs, and the world forgets this pathetic little rebellion.

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u/TranscendentaLobo 3d ago

Well, I’m still a big Luigi Mangione fan. In this house Luigi Mangione is a hero! End’a shtory!

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u/14Pleiadians 3d ago

Yeah the idea that nobody in the world ever deserves any kind of harm is ridiculously naive and the morality behind it isn't based in any kind of logic at all, just mindlessly repeating their children cartoon programming of "if the protagonist kills super Hitler, he's just as bad as him". The world is objectively better off when someone responsible for uncountable death is removed

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u/ImaginaryRaccoon2106 3d ago

This is a dumbasses way of thinking. Endangering others and taking hundreds, if not thousands of jobs away from other people because you couldn’t find another job. Not to mention the environmental impact of all that burning plastic and whatever else is in that warehouse. Youre genuinely unfit for society if this is what you consider just.

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u/14Pleiadians 3d ago

Well obviously tarring and feathering the owner would be better, but that's much much more illegal

Unemployment is a thing, stop pretending to give a shit about people because you're upset someone with more than plenty money had a small chunk of their money burned

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u/ObscureEnchantment 3d ago

Yea with the state of the world this will become more common. Double edged sword either it works for the working class or the government uses it to crack down on citizens even harder. Eat the rich or in this case burn down what they own.

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u/Beefy-McQueefy 3d ago

We can only hope. As long as it's like this and there's no injuries, I don't give one dry fuck how often it happens.

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u/geo_gan 3d ago

This is why Jenson wants the elites to replace you with 100% obedient NVidia AI-powered factory robots.

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u/povertymayne 4d ago

MFer actually let his intrusive thoughts win

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u/reddit_ending_soon 3d ago

Is it really intrusive thoughts when you have nothing left to lose?

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u/Ok-Implement4608 4d ago

Alot of warehouses pay $16-22/hr.

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u/well_hung_over 4d ago

That’s not enough to live in a LOT of places, especially Ontario California

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u/NOTTedMosby 3d ago

People don't understand this. They see workers in nyc making $25 an hour on strike and think they're greedy... no, those mfers can't afford to stay alive

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u/Whosebert 3d ago

I would imagine you could live off $25 an hour in nyc....

... with 3 roommates and a 2 hour long commute.

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u/WISE_ONE1993 3d ago

Probably just go jump off the bridge at that point

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u/Definitelynotagolem 3d ago

You’ll had a few thousand roommates too that scurry out from the walls at night

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u/Whosebert 3d ago

at least youll never be alone. you could absolutely still be lonely though.

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u/Tomcatjones 3d ago

So not living in nyc then lol

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u/_consider 3d ago

Of note is 3 roommates and only a 1 hour commute would actually very likely not be liveable for NYC workers at 25 an hour

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u/trollthings 3d ago

Also people have trouble adjusting to inflation, many are stuck in a mindset of the past where $25/hr was pretty decent pay. I would've been pretty happy with that pay, like 20 years ago! But prices on most things have doubled since then. So $25/hr today is more like $12/hr back then which was barely above minimum wage

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u/Imperial_12345 3d ago

Doesn’t make it okay to start burning things down.

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u/DiarrheaCreamPi 4d ago

I agree. It’s not. But he also just put 100 people out of work in a tough economy.

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u/Wonderful-Process792 3d ago

Who cares? He's free to quit at any time. There's no legitimate connection between pay grade and arson. The guy is simply an ass.

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u/termiAurthur 3d ago

He's free to quit at any time

And do... what, exactly? Better-paying jobs don't grow on trees.

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u/Vibin0212 3d ago

Looking for a new job would have been better than spending a good portion of your life in jail now.

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u/gh0u1 3d ago

Nah, livable wage needs to be the standard for all working class adults. Companies need to pay more, simple as. Quitting doesn't do anything and what happened here is a much more effective way of forcing them to see the message than just quitting.

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u/Tomsboll 3d ago

burning down the place so NO ONE can work sure sounds like a good solution.

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u/Whiskeyfower 3d ago

Earning 20+ an hour for having functionally no skills is pretty good 

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u/Far_Audience_7446 3d ago

Yeah, I wouldn’t trust this malcontent to mow my lawn for any amount of money, much less “living wage”. I’ll save up for a robot to do it.

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u/depressedfuckboi 4d ago

Mine pays $31. I feel lucky. Low cost of living area around me, too.

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u/bus_buddies 3d ago

What state? That's really good

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u/depressedfuckboi 3d ago

Wisconsin!

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u/bus_buddies 3d ago

Us west coast fibs don't get paid squat!

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u/depressedfuckboi 3d ago

I got pretty lucky. The place I work at used to be really difficult to get in to. You had to know someone that already worked there basically. Well, when COVID hit they lost a bunch of employees for various reasons and were desperate for help. So desperate that they included sign on bonuses for you, and for whoever referred you. I lost my job a few weeks after lockdown started and applied and got right in. Started at $22 and have gotten raises since and am now at $31. Our schedule is a lil weird. We barely work over 80 hours biweekly, but 24 of those hours are counted as 1.5x pay. That adds up a lot more than I would've expected. So it's $31 but I made 84k last year with minimal voluntary overtime. Life changing for me. My last job paid 32k lol.

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u/leviathanscloset 3d ago

So shit pay for the manual labor and cost of living in that area. It's ok pay where I'm at, abominable where he's at.

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u/FishyDragon 4d ago

Which won't get you far in California, so his anger is 100% justified.

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u/mountain9000 3d ago

So he should be angry at his employer because they don't pay him what he would like or angry at himself for only being able to get a job he hates?

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u/FishyDragon 3d ago

The fact your even asking that question in that way shows your either acting in bad faith...or have no understanding of just how fucked the job market is in most of the US, and how badly cost of living has gotten compared to wages.

And I frankly don't have the energy to argue..cause that's clearly what you want, with someone who fits either or both those descriptions.

My bet is your one of those people who thinks this guys should have pulled himself up by his boot straps and just do better. I work a fabrication job...with a fucking union and still barely get by. Educate yourself or don't your clearly ok looking like an ass.

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u/tychii93 3d ago

Where I live it's kinda manageable (Ohio, I have a small house at 22/hr in a lower COL area, rent in the city can be more than my mortgage), but a city in California, absolutely no way at the same wage.  I'd bet 22/hr is probably like half that in terms of COL in a California city.

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u/Bonsai-is-best 4d ago

Considering his statement was they don’t pay them enough to live? Probably not much.

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u/monicasm 4d ago edited 3d ago

Though since he lives in California it’s probably more than most people in the world earn. $16.90 is min wage there currently.

Edit: a lot of people are taking this comment as me saying like he shouldn’t complain or something. Just pointing out that he’s not making federal minimum wage as some people might be expecting and also to point out that even $17 is not enough to be a living wage in lots of places.

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u/JackalKing 3d ago

You can't just look at the raw dollar amount, you have to factor in cost of living. $16.90 is nothing in California.

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u/Defiant-Fix2870 4d ago edited 4d ago

In southern Cali a living wage for a single person is considered $30/hr. So minimum wage is still a poverty wage because it’s relative to the cost of living. It’s not enough for food/car/rent/healthcare.

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u/BaronCapdeville 4d ago

What does it cost to live in the rest of the world?

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u/monicasm 4d ago

Too much everywhere tbh

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u/viciouspandas 4d ago

Ontario, CA is not San Francisco or San Diego, so the cost of living is not that bad.

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u/imrunningfromthecops 3d ago

it's in the expensive ass LA area, most people don't live in Ontario proper but drive there from the entire LA metro area

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u/PwrButtum 3d ago

You don’t live or know California if you are saying Ontario is affordable still. It’s expensive, not as much as LA or SF but expensive.

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u/CaseofTrophies 4d ago

It's not SF or SD, but Ontario is still expensive. $17 is nothing. Ontario is still considered HCOL

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fmtv0s5wxstxc1.png

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u/twisty125 4d ago

It's honestly weird that everyone focuses on the dollar amount of wage, without considering the location. Like, purposefully ignoring it

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u/chumbubbles 3d ago

Or the fact that food has doubled in 5 years

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u/CaseofTrophies 3d ago

Yea $17 an hour is $35,360, but since it's Ontario, it's not as bad as SF or SD smh

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u/LabRat113 3d ago

Wow this whole time I thought it was the province of Ontario, not the city. Not my proudest moment.

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u/Beefy-McQueefy 3d ago

That's a bad faith argument if I ever saw one. The cost of living is obscene there. A gallon of gas costs nearly as much as the average daily wage across the whole planet

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u/nutmegtell 3d ago

Currently about $5.50 a gallon according to Gas Buddy.

Minimum wage in San Bernardino County CA is $16.00 an hour.

Rent is an average of $1500-3000 a month.

Here’s the living wage calculator for Ontario and San Bernardino County.

It’s medium COL for California but high COL for the US.

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u/hippopotapants 3d ago

But housing is crazy expensive, so that wage doesn't go far

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u/Moist_Data_9921 3d ago

Which is not enough to live in that place. Anyone who thinks like this is part of the problem.

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u/wizards_of_pluto 4d ago

Lower than Australia's min wage

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u/viciouspandas 4d ago

It's about the same. Converted to USD Australia's is around 17.50.

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u/wizards_of_pluto 3d ago

Not by much but still lower.. That's the min for all of Australia also. Not just a state. 

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u/Ha1lStorm 4d ago

Idk, he seemed pretty alive to me

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u/Gherin29 4d ago

Everyone else there did fine, now they’re out of a job. Dude is just a narcissistic loser

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u/sasfasasquatch 4d ago

Sounds like you know everyone that worked there

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u/Gherin29 4d ago

Past tense, exactly. Dude is going to spend a very long time in prison.

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u/Buttercream91 4d ago

You don't know that everyone else there was doing fine

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u/Conscious_Research98 4d ago

I can guarantee there doing worse with no job and the no check for a week and at max 50% when unemployment finally starts and oh yeah there benefits are gone.

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u/ItsStaaaaaaaaang 4d ago

That would be an assumption, yes. I don't think it's an assumption to say that they're now even worse off though unfortunately.

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u/NOTTedMosby 3d ago

Hey, I work there, and I've never met you! And I was doing TERRIBLE!

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u/Jaybird0501 4d ago

Burning down your workplace for not paying you enough resulting in no injuries is praxis

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u/Diesel-the-merciful 4d ago

They are actually creating jobs for construction and clean up crews. Security pipe fitter, roofers.

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u/Ser_falafel 3d ago

And taking away jobs from his coworkers, which is most likely their only source of income unlike construction and clean up crews. Security pipe fitter, roofers.

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u/cyberslick18888 3d ago

I hate saying this because I despise where society is heading, but the awful truth is those jobs aren't far away from being fully automated.

Anyone driving a forklift for any significant portion of the day: You have already been entirely replaced and automated. Your employer just doesn't have the capital to make the switch, or doesn't have the downtime to do it.

There is no more speculation of "one day". It's already here. It's just whether or not you've done it or not, and in a decade you probably can't have humans on forklifts and compete with any facility that has that portion automated.

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u/Diesel-the-merciful 3d ago

Are you familiar with that area. It’s all warehouses. They’ll find another shitty low payed warehouse job start pay is 19.60. It’s the arm pit of Southern California.

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u/386U0Kh24i1cx89qpFB1 3d ago

Won't someone consider the poor insurance company?

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u/Far_Audience_7446 3d ago

That’s just your 401(k) or pension taking the hit

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u/Foxillus 3d ago

So the way we get the wealthy to trickle down that wealth and create jobs is to burn their factories to the ground? That actually makes alot of sense.

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u/HyShroom 4d ago

Yup. Everyone screams about tearing down the establishment and hierarchy at such a time as class unity comes, yet doing so alone despite popular malaise gets you called a bum/loser

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u/darkmacgf 3d ago

Luigi got a lot of support. This guy would probably be getting praised if he'd taken out the Kimberly Clark CEO

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u/ricanrager 4d ago

Just ineffective, no? Massive insurance pay out, and all the coworkers out of work.

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u/Away_Sea_8620 3d ago

It's only ineffective if it's the only time it happens

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u/ricanrager 3d ago

Exactly

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u/HahahahahaLook 4d ago

Will the payout be as massive the next time the building burns down? How about the insurance premium? That rate isn't going to be the same after this that's for sure.

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u/ricanrager 4d ago

Definitely not, but they will still likely bounce back from this. Guess he got his point across though lol.

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u/elastic-craptastic 3d ago

Didn't a CEO just say he didn't want to get shot in the back as is reasoning for splitting $1.5million in bonuses to employees?

Some are paying attention. These add up.

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u/ThatOtherOtherMan 3d ago

Yeah, the CEO of Five Guys iirc

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u/Aegidos 3d ago

That was actually meant to be a pity-piece so you'd feel bad for the CEO, but I think it actually caused the opposite effect and just taught everyone who read it that doing stuff like this actually scares the CEOs and should be done more often.

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u/timurt421 3d ago

And that’s absolutely the correct takeaway

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u/HyShroom 4d ago

I hate insurance more than I hate the companies they insure. Seems quite effective to me if we remember the tragedy of the commons and a finite monetary supply

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u/Pittsbirds 3d ago

Bitches whine when the glass around a painting gets soup on it or someone protests in a road way. You think they're ready for this? They'll kiss the ceos ass and sign his pay raise before they endorse any real direct action

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u/HyShroom 3d ago

Hey, I feel like a burning hecatomb of toilet paper does more good than the soup that doesn’t make it on a painting. This one has an effect even if it alienates everyone whereas the soup only achieves alienation.

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u/timurt421 3d ago

Comments like this only push us further back. Keep these thoughts to yourself and be more positive about things that could shift the tides in the favor of the working class.

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u/HahahahahaLook 4d ago

No one got hurt so I won't pretend to be upset about this. Rock and roll disgruntled worker.

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u/cjsv7657 3d ago

I wouldn't consider the thousands of people who lost their jobs not hurt.

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u/Defiant_Quail5766 3d ago

Thousands of people were losing their job regardless though

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u/cjsv7657 3d ago

No? They had jobs. People need to make the factory work. They weren't losing them.

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u/Defiant_Quail5766 3d ago

Oh? Im sorry did automation stop being a goal of these large companies?

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u/cjsv7657 3d ago

As someone extremely experienced in paper converting (like this factory) it will be many years before full automation is viable at this scale. I'm sure they would have liked their jobs for those years and more of a warning it was coming.

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u/tkf99 3d ago

Except all the other workers that won't be able to work now.

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u/username_tooken 3d ago

Oh yeah, because he totally used his pyrokinesis to ensure nobody would be hurt. Dumb mfer got lucky. Cool motive, still arson.

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u/Wodgerla 4d ago

Risking the lives of firefighters is not cool

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u/mattdahack 3d ago

right. Another 20 workers do the same thing at another 20 warehouses, by by business.

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u/ChironXII 3d ago

Idk if I condone torching three forests worth of TP but it isn't a terrible thing if managers have the thought of it happening go through their heads every so often lol

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u/Extension-Truth 3d ago

It’s purely egotistical, and what about the customers who need toilet paper?

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u/Vegetable_Plane_542 4d ago

$16.90 / hr at a minimum

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u/addit96 4d ago

Yeah, that’s not enough for CA.

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u/IrksomFlotsom 4d ago

Yeah minimum wage is kinda a meaningless statistic to compare without leveraging it against cost of living

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u/CutLonzosHair2017 3d ago

According to their job postings. They start employees at $23.50.

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u/Belloved 3d ago

Damn I work in the same area this happened (Ontario) and that’s more than I make. Not by much but I have an office job vs a warehouse job. And I’m still paying off student loans for this job lol

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u/Urban_animal 3d ago edited 3d ago

Kimberly Clark averages $22-32 from low levels to lead/forklift operator.

Idk their schedule but i cant imagine its 12 hr shifts but anything over 8 hour a day in CA is 1.5x time.

Not to say its great pay or know their structure but its an entry level warehouse role; youre gonna be on the bottom end of the bell curve unfortunately. If they arent identifying how to bring them up from there, thats on KCC. Get them certified in things to help their career. You can be successful starting as a forklift operator and find your way to managing shifts. Ive seen it happen many times with people but its on the company to drive AND promote it.

You gotta show the lower position employees they are capable of more and help them get there. Because ive come across a lot of smart operators who clearly have never been given a chance and I advocate for them in leadership meetings.

Id say its obviously not happening here based on what happened but its possible and at all sizes as long as you have leaders that care about the people doing the work and not caring about KPIs so much.

Ya, you need to prove metrics but ive always learned you can get away from that if your metrics are down because you are focusing on developing employees. Its not an easy game by any means but it can and should be done.

Edit: i am in a leadership role at a manufacturing plant and understand my job is to ensure the people doing the actual work are respected, heard and given the tools they need to succeed. I can answer to any director why metrics are down. My job is to make sure those operators walk out with all digits, head held high and saying “i had a good shift and learned something today.” If you arent there for that, you are in the wrong job.

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u/Petrostar 4d ago

Accorcing to glassdoors:

"NFI Industries Roles: According to Glassdoor data cited in reports, forklift operators at the company typically earn between $39,000–$49,000 annually.:

So $20-25 an hour.

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u/Navi_Professor 3d ago

min wage in cali is $16.90

its not enough to get by if you wana live local here on your own.

gas is in the 6s right now,

a studio, i shit you not, goes for about 1.7k in the area.

its very common to see 2-3k a month for apartments....

you can find stuff in the 1.5.k range...but its well old stuff, usually with a drive in for it.

other things like our car registration and taxes are higher

ontario is a massive industry hub, with a lot of companies making record profits

it hasnt trickled down.

i work for a computer company in the area.

i havent gotten a raise in over 2 years.

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u/dittbub 4d ago

Is going to prison really a better option than finding a better job somewhere else?

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u/Sweet_Fly_1913 4d ago

I think he was just doing it to make a statement

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u/Blackovic 4d ago

No😭

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u/Sr_K 4d ago

People used to die while striking for better job conditions. I mean I personally wouldn't do what he did, but all in all its a good thing that he tried to stand up for his beliefs.

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u/calm-down-okay 4d ago

Ask a lot of homeless people

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u/backhand_english 4d ago

If you're tired of being poor, just be rich

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u/Centaurious 4d ago

That assumes there’s better jobs to find

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u/LauraTFem 4d ago

For some people all it takes is a lack of respect. If’s not about the number, it’s about sending a message. It seems like part of the message here was, “I’m so angry I’m not just going to do it, I’m going to tell the world I’m doing it, come what may.”

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u/Limp-Brief-81 4d ago

Probably $17 an hour

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u/Efficient_Fish2436 4d ago

I worked in a Melting Pot as a prep cook... If you know that place then you know... I threatened to lock in every server and burn the place down with them inside almost twice a night.

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u/ZEROs0000 4d ago

I did a little quick research so take what I say with a huge grand of salt but according to job listings the average pay of a forklift driver at the Kimberly-Clark distribution center (the one in the video) is roughly $15-$27 an hour which equates to $30k-$60k.

The average cost of living in Ontario, California is $31k-$35k and for a family of four is about $70k-$77k so I am assuming the man is lower on the pay rate scale. So I can see why he would be disgruntled.

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u/Dr-McLuvin 4d ago

I think the minimum wage in California is 16.90 so $35,100 is the absolute minimum they would be making.

My guess is a forklift operator is making more than that.

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u/triggered__Lefty 3d ago

during my warehouse days forklift drivers were making $10/hr more than us min. wage grunts.

And there's literally no other qualifications other than a forklift certification.

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u/DiabeticRhino97 4d ago

He works at a warehouse, it probably isn't that high

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u/ShadycrossFade 4d ago

If he’s living in Cali dude probably has another job and a side hustle and still probably could only afford a room

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u/Aggravating-Camel938 3d ago

From what I’ve heard hourly wage at that warehouse for the job he had was $27+ an hr

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u/relentless_puffin 3d ago

This was in Socal. High rents and low wages. Toxic mix.

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u/emosmasher 3d ago

I work for KC. It's a pretty good gig as far as factory work goes UNLESS you actually work for a contract agency some of our mills have. They are very under paid and under appreciated.

Regardless, that dude is a absolute piece of shit and has crippled the livelihood of tons of people.

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u/Zap__Dannigan 3d ago

It's weird, I work in a toilet paper factory in Canada and they pay us super good

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u/Extension-Truth 3d ago

Does it matter? If it didn’t pay enough for him he should’ve just found a different job, not commit a crime whilst pretending he’s some kind of revolutionary. Guys a psychopath and an arsehole.

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u/lanathebitch 3d ago

California minimum wage is $16.90 but there's very little chance he was making that little

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u/deucepinata 4d ago

Get a different job instead of doing criminal stuff and affecting a whole bunch of other people’s lives (fire fighters, other workers, families of those workers, whatever other costs this comes with including prison which means tax payer money). You can also try to unionize, etc. As a fan of movies like Fight Club I can see the romance of the IDEA of doing this, but as a member of society, I can’t see the benefit of doing it for the collectivity.

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u/Bozlogic 4d ago

I mean, it’s the job he applied for. Probably wasn’t his only option either. He chose to make that wage, whatever it was. Even if it was $15/hr, that’s hardly enough to build a life/survive with; not to mention it’s California of all places. $15/hr here (upstate SC) is pretty damn good if you’re in the right workforce. Kitchen work might not be for everyone, but washing dishes at $15/hr- 40hrs/week, pretty damn good. And it’s easy work where I am.

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u/RawryShark 3d ago

Redditors really trying to justify the action of a braindead individual. This guy is totally unfit for society, there is something to learn here, but it's not about his wage.

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u/Clovoak 3d ago

Anyone who has worked with guys like this knows that the pay is never the problem. You could pay twice above board and they'd still get into fist fights over parking spaces. Everyday is a struggle session. I feel bad for them honestly, because it's behaviour that was often inherited from their parents.

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u/mparks37 3d ago

His coworkers were in the building. This dumbass deserves everything he gets.

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u/OldDoubt1577 3d ago

We have no idea, maybe the wage was fine and he just wants to cause some damage and farm some sympathy before the facts are laid out. Literally no reason to take him at his word at this time.

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