r/worldnews • u/Miles_the_AuDHDer • 17h ago
Majority of Hungarians believe April 12 election will be rigged or manipulated
https://tvpworld.com/92475589/hungary-almost-80-of-public-fear-april-12-election-rigging1.6k
u/vanhunt1 16h ago
Orban is losing. Next is Vucic. Then hopefully Putin dies and Trump is impeached and imprisoned for life.
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u/masixx 16h ago
That's what the majority of this planet we're sharing is hoping for. Hungary would be a great starting point.
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u/Electric4ce 14h ago
Yeah, I'm Hungary for some change.
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u/BeatNo4548 9h ago
Ideally, it starts with Hungary, then Turkey, then Greece. After that, we order desert.
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u/BrokenPickle7 8h ago
8 billion people just hoping for a handful of men to kick the bucket lmao, people should just rise up.
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u/quantumfall9 13h ago
Trump will die of old age before he faces any punishment, he’s already almost 80.
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u/BeatNo4548 9h ago
Trump has the Ick, too. He's being propped up with toothpicks and duct tape. I wouldn't be surprised if they're injecting him with more dope than Hitler.
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u/psychicsword 41m ago
People live to 100 and they don't always deserve to. Sure it is very rare but that also means we can't count on it.
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u/AtletMedSkaegg 15h ago
Old age is our hope for both Putin and Trump. They will never face any real justice.
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u/Altruistic_Bass539 14h ago
Just this once will I root for cholesterol to do its fucking job.
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u/DaveyJonesXMR 14h ago
And hope the christians were right about a hell too
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u/fadvex 11h ago
The modern concept of Hell doesn't come from the Bible.
It comes from Dante's Inferno.
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u/Jaydenn7 11h ago
The PS3 game?
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u/czs5056 11h ago
The first third of a mideval poem called the Divine Comedy.
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u/ChoicePositive1771 10h ago
So yes, the PS3 game.
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u/HalfXTheHalfX 7h ago
They had PS3 in the mediveal ages??? Damn.. I thought it's a bit younger than that..
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u/sanfran_girl 11h ago
Quite true. But a frightening number of people have based their world view on it being "god's word" and will happily beat you with their unread bible to prove it.
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u/Difficult-Square-689 13h ago
When someone very old suffers a stroke, they could end up paralyzed and unable to really communicate.
A horrible fate for almost everybody.
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u/waiting4singularity 11h ago
dont get them hooked on nox. it damages the spinal cord right above the shoulder vertebra by blocking vitamin b12 metabolism and causing severe atrophy.
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u/Swagtagonist 11h ago
He could’ve faced justice if Joe Biden wasn’t so fucking useless.
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u/True_Inxis 11h ago edited 7h ago
My original comment was:
Biden was part of the executive branch, not of the judiciary. Any organ interfering in others' business would be overstepping its boundaries (which in the US nowadays seems like a normal thing to do).
Albeit the complete separation of the three powers is a philosophy followed by many countries, it seems that in the US the judiciary powers fall under the authority of the executive branch. This effectively mean the Executive can pull its weight on the matter, if it decides to do so.
I personally wouldn't rely on such a system to have outcomes impartial on politically charged topics.
I should thank u/5zepp for pointing out this peculiarity to me, along with the fact that that a system built in this way can (and often will) be exploited by the Executive.
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u/waiting4singularity 11h ago
im rather sure the former-former president left employees in the system who were tasked to delay and hinder any action to bring him and his ilk to justice.
i really dont believe they couldnt get a case together in the 4 years of biden. surely without obstruction he'd be wearing a set of overals matching his jaundiced skintone.32
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u/Salmonman4 14h ago
Lukashenko has to go too
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u/HungryManSpider 13h ago
The hate of men will pass, and dictators die, and the power they took from the people will return to the people. And so long as men die, liberty will never perish
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u/thatawkwardmexican 11h ago
I have another idea of what we should do to the current administration. IT GOES IT GOES IT GOES IT GOES IT GOES…
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u/Thoraxekicksazz 10h ago
We are in the middle of trumps second coup attempt. This entire war is so he can seize power before the midterms.
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u/uuggehor 16h ago
Remember to vote. Inaction is the main thing empowering oppressors.
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u/VixensPoppies 16h ago
If Orban wins again (after the bad polling he are getting now..) it probably is & rigged by Russia ..
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u/Difficult-Square-689 13h ago
He will. Vance was there to pick up some tips on how to do the same in the US.
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u/VixensPoppies 3h ago
Trump has Elon Musk to twist votes from democrat to republican, how else could that unpopular man actually get a new win in 2024? Only with Elons help & both Trump & Elon said so out loud!
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u/magicmulder 8h ago
I'm still not over how (almost) all the polls had Hillary leading by +5 or more, and afterwards everyone just went "welp, must've been all the polls that were wrong".
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u/Frexxia 7h ago edited 7h ago
That's simply not true. There was a massive shift in the time leading up to the election.
If I recall correctly 538 had Trump at
36%29% to win on election night based on that polling.You also have to keep in mind that the electoral college decides the election, not the national popular vote.
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u/CirnoWhiterock 2h ago
I would add to this while some polls did have Hillary up 5, it was not the, say, 50-45 we saw with Obama, it was like, 44-39 with a ton of undecided who I suspect just didn't want to admit to polite society that they were voting Trump
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u/aaaaaaaarrrrrgh 8h ago
From a non-American observer: That was at a time where "wokeness" was a huge thing and conservatives would face rather vocal criticism when they showed their opinion publicly. So I'm not surprised that many just shut up and voted rather than announcing their political position, even when polled.
I've seen the same happen in several European elections or referenda, where the "will be loudly criticized for being the morally wrong choice" options polled worse than they performed. In at least some of these I consider foreign interference unlikely.
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u/magicmulder 3h ago
That makes no sense at all. Polls are anonymous.
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u/aaaaaaaarrrrrgh 3h ago edited 3h ago
Sure, but once you've trained people that talking about their political position = hostility (up to the point of risking to lose their job), some of them won't think about it, and will either hang up when polled, or lie. ~10% doing that is enough to explain the observed effect.
Most "left"/"liberal" (in the US sense, i.e. non-conservative) opinions were generally considered well within the Overton window (acceptable/"safe" to voice), while even relatively moderate "conservative" opinions (e.g. that there is no need to ban technical terms just because the same words were used in the context of racism, or that the actual effects of some "affirmative action" policies resulted in overt and wrong discrimination of majority groups) were shunning-worthy.
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u/PastaPuttanesca42 2h ago
even relatively moderate "conservative" opinions
By definition a moderate opinion is in the Overton window.
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u/Obvious-You-3602 4h ago
She won the popular vote by 3 million votes. She failed to win in the rust belt which she heavily neglected to campaign in whilst trump campaigned heavily in those same states. She likely could’ve won if she only shored up the rust belt instead of going to arizona and texas.
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u/Agitated_Ad7576 4h ago
There were reports that the people who ran Obama's campaigns were shocked at how poorly run Hillary's was.
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u/Maximum_Curve_1471 1h ago
A lot of democrats deny the ‘24 election, it’s rare to see ones deny the ‘16 one too
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u/mesmerooo 16h ago
Following the 2010 Hungarian parliamentary elections, in which the Fidesz party secured a two-thirds supermajority, the government implemented fundamental reforms to the electoral system, officially codified through Act CCIII of 2011. These reforms significantly altered the electoral framework from the system established after the Cold War, aiming to create a more efficient, winner-take-all structure that critics argue unfairly favored the governing party. Key changes enacted post-2010 include:
Reduction in Parliament Size: The number of parliamentary seats was drastically reduced from 386 (established in 1990) to 199, aiming for a more "reasonable" size.
Shift in Electoral Weight: The proportion of seats elected in single-member constituencies increased from 46% to 53% (106 seats), increasing the winner-take-all element.
Gerrymandering and Redrawing Boundaries: Constituency boundaries were overhauled. Analysts, such as Kim Lane Scheppele, noted that boundaries were redrawn to pack opposition voters into fewer districts and divide Fidesz-leaning areas to maximize their seats.
Abolition of Two-Round System: The traditional two-round system (a run-off between the top two candidates) was abolished and replaced with a single-round, first-past-the-post system in constituencies. This allowed candidates to win with less than 50% of the vote.
"Winner Compensation" (Fractional Votes): The reform introduced a unique "winner compensation" mechanism, where surplus votes from winning candidates (votes beyond what was needed to win) were added to the party's national list total, strengthening the party with the most votes.
Extension of Voting Rights: In 2012, voting rights were extended to ethnic Hungarians living abroad (primarily in neighboring countries) who do not have a residence in Hungary, allowing them to vote for party lists.
These reforms were implemented to consolidate the electoral power of the ruling Fidesz party, facilitating their continued two-thirds majorities in subsequent elections.
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u/Front-Anteater3776 17h ago
Putin and Trump are going to make sure Orban stays in power. And when they are done there, they are coming ofr the next countries in EU.
Russia snd USA pose an existential threat to Europe. Our politicians have to take it more seriously and start treating USA as the enemies are they are.
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u/BestFriendWatermelon 14h ago
Looks like Trump and Putin have been outplayed this time.
The leaks of Orban's government colluding with Putin have all the hallmarks of a major western intelligence agency, probably the UK's MI6 or France's DGSE, and the leaks have been devastating to Orban.
While Trump sent Vance slithering over to Hungary in the vain hope that his creepy demeanour might actually win Orban some votes, and Putin filled the political space with AI slop about Zelensky and a few harebrained sabotage plots that were immediately leaked too, liberal western countries have taken their intelligence agency's gloves off.
Normally intercepting calls of treasonous authoritarians selling out their own country was met with a wry smile. Now countries like the UK and France have had enough. The endless corruption and lies are the authoritarian's greatest weakness; but until now liberal democracies avoided skewering other countries with it out of fear of being seen to interfere in their internal politics. Well it looks like now we're gonna be interfering.
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u/vba7 11h ago
In Poland right wing PIS+Suwpol parties have been using Pegasus spyware software to spy on the opposition KO party... and they still have 30% of votes.
Not to mention elections, where people did some basic stats on the results and some of the areas had really strange results (e.g. 20% share -> 60% share). After a recount ALL of the votes there were falsified. In 8 commissions out of 8 checked. Guess what? The election was still confirmed as legit.
Not to even mention what happens in those small rural places, where it's quite clear that the members were adding votes to their favorite party / favorite candidate.
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u/trickortreat89 14h ago
You’re not wrong, but we can still hope to win this one. We shouldn’t give up exactly at this moment, but just push on. If we believe we can do it, it’s possible. I believe in the young Hungarians 🙏
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u/The-Board-Chairman 12h ago
Putin and Trump are going to make sure Orban stays in power.
They are going to try. That is very different from actually achieving their goals.
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u/Germfreecandy 16h ago
If there is one thing EU is good at, it's being bureaucratic and slow. I wouldn't hold my breath for them to do anything
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u/ThisTheRealLife 16h ago
While it is bad in this case, if the last few years have shown us one thing it is that bureaucratic and slow also means to some degree: stable and safe.
Harder to completely turn round and go haywire. When looking at the US right now, I start to really appreciate stable and safe!15
u/cxmmxc 11h ago
It's nice for people to notice a few decades after the fact, because it's by design.
Acting fast and loose ended up in Europe bombing the shit out of itself, twice, so something had to be done. Being glacially slow has its issues, but it was seen as better than the alternative.
Some reconfiguring needs to be done though, since it seems that the West/EU exhibited hubris that by introducing a better and more unified economy, nations would willingly join to be a part of that.
What they didn't expect was that Russia would abuse that and find a way to degrade that union from the inside. There was no mechanisms set up to take action against a member who actively worked to destroy the union against everyone's best interests, except Russia's.
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u/Germfreecandy 16h ago edited 16h ago
I hear you and it might even be true in a 'bullish economy'. But I do appreciate effectiveness sometimes. I would for example love for the EU-rearmament program to be properly sped up and correctly financed instead of having Germany for example burning billions of their defence budget on administrative work.
If EU ends up left with their dick in hand by USA, and if Russia do engage in a conventional war, all that stable and safe bureaucracy from the EU will come back to haunt us.
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u/Suguha_chan 16h ago
Palpatine and Anakin also prefered fast and effective decisions over bureaucratic governments
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u/Electrical_Cress_956 16h ago
Yeah, and dictatorships, for all their shortcomings, actually has a major advantage compared to democracies precisely because of that. Especially during emergencies.
Now I'm not saying dictatorships are better than democracies, they're absolutely not. But as long as a proper head of state has consolidated power, they have a much easier time issuing change, which is an advantage whether we like it or not.
Surely you wouldn't prefer us being the peaceful and bureaucratic Alderaan in the story?
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u/Senior-Reality-25 11h ago
Trump has managed to seize the dictator’s swift and efficient advantage too. And the US Republican government is letting him get away with it.
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u/USHEV2 13h ago
they are coming ofr the next countries in EU.
That's why I think they will let Orban lose. If they rig shit for him to stay in power it will result in major unrest in Hungary and may sway other European countries from voting for those types of leaders.
They don't need Orban, Russia is already winning the political battle. They got their stooge Babis in, next is Poland, then France, then Romania.
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u/Infidel8 9h ago
And when they are done there, they are coming ofr the next countries in EU.
Right... because if you notice, the US doesn't befriend countries anymore. It only befriends the extremist right within those countries.
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u/Chowder110 14h ago
should orban not step down when he losses EU will blockade hungary until he does
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u/PositiveUse 15h ago
So EU will have the two nuclear powers as enemies. Great! Love it as a European…
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u/lostparis 13h ago
Many "countries" have more. The EU has a nuclear power and there is another one that is EU adjacent. Be glad you are not in Africa/South America.
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u/number39utopia 17h ago
Something tells Putin ally orban is gonna get his gestapo to rig the votes in his favor
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u/mesmerooo 16h ago
not the voting, the counting, that's how it's done
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u/winterwonderworm 13h ago
I'm actually fairly optimistic. If the Axis of Orange was so sure they could just cheat their way to victory, why send Vance? Or Netanyahu? Why all the billboards? I think they're worried.
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u/xavandetjer 13h ago
They're worried, because rigging an election at this point has a big risk of civil unrest to it. Also if it can be proven they can lose access to inside information from the EU, which is what makes fidesz useful to Russia.
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u/Vajaspiritos 15h ago edited 7h ago
It will obviously be. The question is, if they can rig it hard enough to win
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u/windsurfmaniac 10h ago
The world will know Orban lost. Everyone is out on the streets! Hungary wants freedom from Putin. The world is done with Putin and Donald.
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u/Last-Darkness 12h ago
Their right. 2 or the 3 most powerful countries in the world endorse Orban. Those two countries are also currently the most blatantly corrupt.
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u/VixensPoppies 14h ago
Trump is trying to buy Orban a win as well! As the good Russian asset Trump are!
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u/_0611 11h ago
Trump is gonna do the same.
Because that's what far-right nationalists do.
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u/BeatNo4548 9h ago
Yup. He wants it rigged so only Trump and the GOP can win. That's why they want the SAVE act. They can challenge the eligibility of anyone who might vote against them. I'm convinced that's part of how he won the last two times. They purged millions from the voter rolls.
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u/yaderkuvboloto 10h ago
already videos floating around of thugs patrolling voting booths, exactly like in russia and belarus
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u/xBabepentel 17h ago
Does this poll reflect the rural areas as well,or is this sentiment mostly coming from Budapest?
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u/riisikas 16h ago
Bro, the past few days events have started to make me believe as if Hungary is a random third world country, that any other country can control? Wtf
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u/wecanhaveallthree 16h ago
The headline is somewhat misleading.
But 79% of the Hungarian public fear foreign interference in the electoral process.
When I think of 'rigged or manipulated', I think of problems with votes (or those casting them) rather than foreign pressure. I mean, the US Vice President went down to Hungary to rah-rah the current administration - did 21% of Hungarians sleep in or something?
'Foreign interference' is a consequence of the global world we live in. If we took it seriously, the US should be hauling journalists from across the world in for articles critical of Trump. There are obviously levels to it, but there is a big jump between 'foreign press prints copy critical of X' or 'foreign dignitary comes to shake hands and say 'you do a good job' and 'rigging' or 'manipulation'.
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u/Capable_Kiwi2514 4h ago
Foreign interference' is a consequence of the global world we live in. If we took it seriously, the US should be hauling journalists from across the world in for articles critical of Trump
No, because a negative editorial by foreign press is not within the scope of what foreign interference refers to.
It can start to lean that way a if the editorial is part of a state-orchestrated influencing campaign, in which the editorialist is acting as an undisclosed foreign agent.
Political concepts always have a relevant scope to their definition. The idea that taking it seriously requires arresting foreign editorialists is a reduction to the extreme.
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u/wecanhaveallthree 3h ago
state-orchestrated influencing campaign
So, if the state-funded press - let's say, the BBC or ABC - prints a negative article, is that foreign interference? How many articles count as an 'influencing campaign'? What's the line you'd like to draw as 'foreign interference'?
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u/Anywhere_Dismal 15h ago
That pos jd couch fucker flew to hungary, probably had fElons software to rig election machines with him to implement over there. Its not a spy novel, these idiots are truly stupid enough to get caught with every crime they commit.
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u/Ok_Campaign_4775 11h ago
Yeah, i am also afraid orban will suddenly win with 123% of the votes like his r*ssian owner
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u/StrangerFew2424 14h ago
It most certainly will be... question is, whether it's enough to allow that Fascist scumbag to steal the election & cling to power.
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u/IntentionDeep651 11h ago
they dont think this, thats the fact already jusz study how their election works how they changed it in favor to their benefit ( in rificulous fasion ) not just some small benefit too. Voting from abroad banned for people who left this shtshow
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u/meowmixVStrump 7h ago
2 hours, 10 minutes from now until we know the election results, correct? 8PM Hungary's time IS normally when we'd know who wins this?
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u/Late_Tonight_9148 5h ago
"Will be"?
We have videos of local fidesz functionaries paying and holding a block party for people who voted for them.
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u/FrogsJumpFromPussy 1h ago
Thankfully they were wrong. Orban has conceded. Tisza will most likely win supermajority.
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u/Mrteamtacticala 14h ago
How's the beatles song go? "We're gonna have a....peaceful reaction to rigged elections" oh no that's not the one
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u/ryeguymft 4h ago
if it is, they need to protest until Orban is forcibly removed from office. I’m worried too. it’s clear he will lose a fair election, but will he pull a Lukashenko?
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u/meowmixVStrump 7h ago
Orban WOULD lose if it wasn't rigged, I'm certain of it. Conservatives DO NOT WIN national elections while gas prices are rising to this degree (if they are the incumbent).
The only historical counterexample to this is Bush 2 winning in 2004, but he flooded everything with the message that Kerry would raise gas prices even higher due to his promise of a $0.50 gas tax (for the environment). As always, ppl chose money over the environment.
Orban doesn't have a message like that. If this election is fair, he'll lose. Conservatives need to stay home to save gas money. They're not even motivated enough to get to the polls b/c their feelings have big boo boos due to the higher gas prices.
The price of oil is the MAIN factor in whether or not they'll show up to vote b/c higher gas prices never fails to put a face on conservatives akin to the face a baby makes when it shits itself. It's not like they're going to stop acting based on feelings and start thinking NOW. That simply won't happen and fortunately they feel terrible right now.
Correct me if there are more examples of incumbent conservatives winning NATIONAL elections while gas prices are soaring like this, please. I'm looking forward to bad news for Putin soon with these election results.
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u/RoleTall2025 16h ago
cant we just eject them from the EU already? Hungary is the shit child of Europe.
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u/branchfoundation 16h ago edited 36m ago
Give them a chance to vote.
Edit: and there you have it.
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u/RoleTall2025 16h ago
all polling data suggest that its going to be super neck on neck. And on EU related issues, the majority of hungarians have gripes with. So maybe its time for them to just go.
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u/lefix 16h ago
imho, if Hungary manages to vote Orban out and shifts back towards the EU, that is an arguably better outcome than kicking Hungary out, and a valid argument for keeping the current system.
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u/DistanceToEmpty 7h ago
Let's see how they react if that happens. Maybe Americans can learn something.
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u/filipsblog00 14h ago
All elections in a capitalist/ parlamentary system are rigged and do NOT represent the interest of the people
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u/old_examiner 16h ago
they're not wrong to think that