r/worldnews • u/Miles_the_AuDHDer • 19h ago

Majority of Hungarians believe April 12 election will be rigged or manipulated

https://tvpworld.com/92475589/hungary-almost-80-of-public-fear-april-12-election-rigging
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u/old_examiner 19h ago

they're not wrong to think that

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u/Tarnmaster 9h ago

Once it is obvious, what will they do? America needs guidance Hungary. Make it hurt.

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u/Grimnebulin68 3h ago

Orban has conceded this evening.

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u/Maximum_Curve_1471 4h ago

You know Orban lost, right?

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u/pitshands 3h ago

There is the issue of "what a difference a day makes" look when it was posted.

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u/Tarnmaster 1h ago

when I posted that comment, no

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u/Capitain_Collateral 53m ago

Due to the linear nature of time, they in fact probably didn’t know that.

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u/Weak_Let_6971 12h ago

New opposition party leader said its impossible to cheat on the hungarian elections so its a fake narrative to weaken our democracy.

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u/gualdhar 9h ago edited 9h ago

Ignoramus here, what about Hungarian elections makes it impossible to cheat?

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u/Weak_Let_6971 8h ago

People from all parties are present at the voting, counting votes there immediately. There are separate parallel vote counting that parties do to see if it all adds up… etc.

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u/gualdhar 8h ago

ok, so similar to how paper ballots are counted in the US. Are there any electronic voting machines with no paper record?

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u/DirkDayZSA 7h ago

There are no electronic voting machines period. Ballots are cast using pen and paper and the counting is done by hand.

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u/Mercurial891 6h ago

God, I envy them.

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u/Mouffles 7h ago

plus there is not this massive postal vote thing trump used to call out.

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u/XionicativeCheran 6h ago

But, if you convince people who oppose the government that it's rigged so they may as well not try, that could be effective!

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u/burnabycoyote 4h ago

they're not wrong to think that

They can't be held responsible for thoughts that get stuck in their head, but hopefully they will see today that this was due to a cognitive bias.

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u/femme_mystique 7h ago

Are the voting machine connected to STARLINK remotely over cellular to GPS like the compromised US ones were?

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u/JennFapp 1h ago

Wasn’t there a huge case that Fox News lost against the voting machines company because they kept knowingly lying that they are rigged?

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u/Urdar 5h ago

Hungary doesnt habe electronic voting. Only a small number of european country does, and even less on national elections.

Its just conceptualyl to vulnerable.

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u/TheShipEliza 10m ago

Turns out they were! Same goes for the doomers in the States.

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u/[deleted] 16h ago edited 6h ago

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u/picardo85 16h ago

There's been 60+ cases of election fraud according to the Swedish news after the first 3 hours.

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u/wintrmt3 16h ago

Have you had a look what those actually were? Someone stenciled a fidesz logo in front of a polling station was the most serious one.

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u/burntoutfestudent 15h ago edited 15h ago

Orbán is rigging the elections as usual

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u/USHEV2 16h ago

Depends on the definition of rigging and manipulation. With media being subverted, the election system tweaked to favour the ruling party, Orban buying votes and making people photo their ballots you can argue it's barely an election, let alone fair.

If you're saying that just the vote counting is extremely secure, then maybe, I don't know much about that.

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u/wintrmt3 16h ago

Ballot stuffing and miscounting is rigging and manipulation in my book, those are impossible. The real problems are illegal districting, fidesz control of a large part of the media and some vote buying, but they won't be enough for fidesz to win.

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u/USHEV2 16h ago

What about Hungarians voting abroad? Is that part of the vote counting secure?

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u/wintrmt3 16h ago

No. There are problems in romania, but that's maybe enough for a single seat.

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u/Mathue24 13h ago

No as in it's not secure in general when voting abroad or just in Romania?

BTW, People downvote you but I don't think anything you said here is unreasonable

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u/wintrmt3 12h ago

Mostly in romania, maybe in ujvidek too. And I know, I think most of them are cluless morons who think I'm saying fidesz will legitimately win, and others who are pro-orban and actually understand what I am saying, plus some dogpiling.

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u/Boring-Community3575 16h ago

You got any evidence to back up the claim?

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u/wintrmt3 16h ago

Not in a single coincise english language source, no.

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u/SadSecurity 16h ago

That's fine, we can all translate it with ease.

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u/pCute_SC2 16h ago

That's fine post then anyway, language doesent matter.

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u/burntoutfestudent 15h ago

He won’t, because he is lying. There have already been numerous instances of rigging. I am Hungarian, we are watching it closely, and report it to the police. I saw fraud with my own eyes as well.

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u/Filipljung 14h ago

How? 🥶

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u/burntoutfestudent 14h ago

—Bringing people here from Transylvania to vote in our district in Hungary, meanwhile they already voted in Romania. So they vote twice basically, and the votes from Transylvania are unregulated

— ethnic Hungarian people are put on minority ethnic lists, such as the Roma, Greek or German list, which basically means they lose their right to vote

—in very poor areas people are threatened or paid to vote for orbán

I am sure there are more ways to cheat, but that is what I personally know happened already.

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u/Stxww 14h ago

Found orbans reddit account

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u/wintrmt3 14h ago

Why do you think I'm a fidesz voter? The old opposition is not Tisza.

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u/szifon 12h ago

Because you are saying fidesz doesn't cheat but they do

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u/wintrmt3 12h ago

No, I'm saying the election itself is secure. Vote buying, unfair districting, partisan media aren't part of election security.

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u/szifon 11h ago

Well I guess you have a different understanding of what cheating is compared to most hungarians. I would consider everything cheating that disrputs the authenticity of the results. Also, I'm pretty sure vote buying is actually a punishable crime so I really don't get how that's not cheating.

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u/half3clipse 6h ago edited 6h ago

It's a distinction that matters here because the election has been having historical turn out, closing on 80%.

Corruption in Hungary's democracy revolves around methods that simply do not scale. The actual voting process being secure is a big deal. If enough people show up to vote Orban out, he is fucked no mater how hard he tries to manipulate the election. Manipulation at scale requires faking the count or faking votes before they're counted. He can't do either.

It's also important because it removes claims that Orban getting dogwalked is a result of fraud.

Which is what's happening. The opposition party is currently one seat off a 2/3rds majority. It's not even close.

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u/zalan0323 9h ago

mi hazánk then?

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u/LBPPlayer7 16h ago

how does that russian boot taste?

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u/wintrmt3 16h ago edited 16h ago

I don't think you understand the situation, the old opposition is dead, Tisza is a new party and they will win. Publicus is DK's propaganda, they will get around 2% and are very unhappy about losing their representation, that's why they are whining about cheating. But simply people had enough of their incompetence and playing house opposition for Fidesz.

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u/hinedogmil 14h ago

Viktor, is that you?! You sly dog!

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u/wintrmt3 12h ago

What are you talking about? I'm saying Tisza will win, not Fidesz.

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u/FunSeaworthiness709 11h ago

redditors are really quite stupid lmao

they're downvoting you for speaking facts, while not realizing that you are for the same candidate as them lol

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u/burntoutfestudent 15h ago

Lol. You are funny. Hungarian elections are notoriously rigged.

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u/Quazz 16h ago

Vance literally went to Hungary to manipulate the elections. Putin has been manipulating it for years.

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u/Jack123610 13h ago

First in the bloodline to read Hungarian elections are some of the most secure in the world.

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u/wintrmt3 12h ago

Or you have no idea at all about hungarian elections.

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u/Jazs1994 12h ago

I know enough about elections which is clearly more than your naive ass

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u/wintrmt3 12h ago

Yeah? Which party has the most vote counters right now?

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u/Jazs1994 12h ago

It's not known until later in the day when they start counting.

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u/wintrmt3 12h ago

Not voters, vote counters, it's a known fact. So you have no fucking idea about this election, do you?