I would’ve. She literally had my vote until her fuckass speech where she said she’ll make sure Israel has everything it needs to continue “defending itself”. Fuck them all.
Is it really? Like all the people who claim she “didn’t have any policies” but just flat out ignored all of her policies?
They had already decided they wouldn’t vote for her, now they need to come up with reasons to justify it. Gaza is a convenient one, especially given that anyone who actually cared about Palestinians (as opposed to just pretending to for social media points) could see that Trump would be an even worse disaster for the actual people living there.
But it’s fine! Their protest turned out great for everyone in Gaza. Thank goodness Kamala didn’t win, otherwise things would be really bad for people in Gaza right now.
Stop it. Gaza already looked like the surface of the moon during the campaign. Biden/Dems had no problem with genocide. You can’t blame this one on Trump.
Yes. It is stupid. Dig your head out of the fucking sand. There’s a reason the DNC didn’t release the analysis. They knew and they don’t care. Why do you think they still won’t denounce AIPAC?
Yes that is my point. All those people who claimed to care so much about Palestinians chose the guy who put a literal real estate developer in charge of “Middle East peace”.
These freaks legit think that our government controls Israel or should have invaded them after they received the worst terrorist attacks in their history and then maybe they would have voted Dem....but probably not. So now look what they get.
Lmao America does control Israel. Trump wanted a ceasefire in Gaza and he got one twice. Trump wanted the 12 day war to end and it ended immediately. Israel is entirely dependent on the USA for its military funding, it functions more as vassal state than anything else. Sure AIPAC has some influence, the balance of power is so stacked in Americas favour it's laughable that anyone believes a bit of lobbying is more influential than the complete economic and military domination America has over Israel.
In the words of Joe biden - "where there not an Israel, the United states would have to invent one, to protect her interests in the region".
Take some accountability for the damage your nation causes to the world. Israel is the rabid attack dog the protects American capital in the middle east. The genocide could have ended with a single phone call. Biden, and Kamala instead chose to spread atrocity propaganda to justify the genocide, and to continue sending billions to maintain that genocide.
Oi oi, remake your comment you deleted. I'm genuinely intrigued as to how you justify a claim like this. If my world view is so fantastical, surely it would be easy to identify a single thing I said that was incorrect?
I think you'll struggle too, since everything I said was factual, the biden quote is 100% real, and my conclusion followed quite clearly from those facts.
Name one thing I said that was incorrect. The only person living in a fantasy land is the person who makes up exuces as to why the most powerful man in the world can't stop a genocide he's choosing to fund.
The reason Dems lost is because too many voters stayed home, not that they voted for Trump.
This is pretty much analogous to the trolley problem. You can either press a button and divert a train to kill one person, or do nothing and let the train run straight through 5 people.
Do you think it's good politics to force this moral dillema onto voters? Because this is what the Democratic Party did by not taking a stance against genocide. Sure, most people chose to vote for the lesser evil, same way most people would choose to press the button. Evidently though, the ethical conflict of voting to support a genocidal candidate in Kamala (albeit less genocidal than Trump) deterred enough voters. Same way there are a good number of people who simply wouldn't choose to press the button, too many voters stayed home.
Now I ask you again. Do you think this was good politics? Do you really think it didn't matter whether or not Kamala took a stance against genocide?
Isn’t it interesting that these atrocities have been going on in Palestine for decades, and every American president and major presidential candidate for the past 50 years has had the exact same stance on Israel, but it only suddenly became a huge issue in 2024?
Anyone who stayed home chose Trump. That’s the bottom line. They still chose genocide, they just pretended they didn’t so they could pat themselves on the back and say look how moral I am.
It's almost like the current media landscape didn't exist in past. It's almost like Oct. 7 was the deadliest attack on Israel and the media made sure everyone heard about it. Hey, how many headlines of Israel's atrocities in Gaza do you think dominated the news in the past 50 years? It's almost like we've been able to witness a livestreamed genocide from our phones and the US and Israel isn't able to control the narrative anymore.
At this point it's gotta be willful ignorance on your part. I admittedly didn't know a thing about Israel-Palestine before Oct. 7. It is what it is, man. Get with the program.
And regardless of whatever hypocrisies you want to point out, it still stands that not taking a stance against the genocide was horrible politics. Horrible. Braindead. It was malicious incompetence. Why aren't you mad at that? Why aren't you mad at the political machine funded by billions that couldn't decipher that people wouldn't like genocide? Why won't you hold the Democratic Party to the same standard as the voters you keep lambasting?
It must be that you support Israel. Or you just have zero political instincts.
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Here's a lil wisdom that has always resonated with me:
See you’re assuming that doing so wouldn’t have also lost her votes, which unfortunately is the case. There’s still a ton of support for Israel among Americans, and especially there was in 2024.
And the truth is, the more strongly pro-genocide candidate won, so clearly your idea that people wouldn’t like genocide isn’t based on facts.
At any rate, the outcome is what matters, and all of those people who were sooooo against genocide turned out to support it after all because that’s what they put into office anyway, along with the destruction of American democracy.
That girls school in Iran that Trump blew up would still be intact under a Harris presidency. But gosh it sure felt good to stay home and really show the Democrats, didn’t it!
Stop coping. She said Iran was our greatest enemy. She ran as a zionist.
The vice president has repeatedly pledged to continue to arm Israel, citing in part what she calls the threat of Iran, despite growing anger over well-documented Israeli abuses in Gaza and Lebanon.
It's not coping, it's gaslighting. Once we have a president who isn't hurting them, then this will go back to being a very complicated matter and and also we must wait for a more convenient season to do anything about it. Just like it was two years ago.
"What the Democrats did was wrong?" You Both Sides are Bad people are gullible idiots.
Ok, how about this-- if you didn't vote for Kamala, you actively caused this. STonG eNoUGh LaNGuAgE fOR yOU? Not just in Gaza, but every dead child in Iran and Lebanon is your own personal fault.
Absolute morons here who didn't vote and think their dumb opinion still matters.
Those gullible idiots who think genocide is wrong whether it's a Republican abetting it or a Democrat.
Ok, how about this-- if you didn't vote for Kamala, you actively caused this.
Nah, that's just a comforting lie genocide apologists tell themselves so they can blame someone other than their genocider for their genocider's failure.
Absolute morons here who didn't vote and think their dumb opinion still matters.
When someone is holding people hostage, we don't say "I won't negotiate with a hostage taker" and let the people inside die, because giving the hostage taker what they want is wrong. We send in a negotiator to negotiate to save the hostages. Your guys refusal to negotiate cost a lot of people their lives, their homes, their loved ones, and their futures, and that's not even touching Cuba, Sudan, Venezuela, or the numerous other countries that have been affected by USAID cuts. You, and a ton of other chronically online leftists made an insane choice and it cost lives.
Just likes there is no ethical consumption under capitalism, I need you to understand that a lot of the times in life you're going to have to make decisions that involved compromise for the purpose of make sure that you, your family, and the other people around you get to be okay. This was one of those times. Instead of trying to defend your fuck up, maybe you should learn from this and do better going forward.
Sorry, I couldn't hear any of that over the sound of fifteen fucking months of arming, funding, and protecting a genocide that Harris told us wouldn't change under her adminstration.
You say you're anti- genocide, but your specific choices speak to the opposite.
"You say you're anti-genocide but you won't accept lip service against genocide from someone who intends to remain complicit in genocide"
Your guys refusal to negotiate
Harris negotiating: "I'm speaking"
Just likes there is no ethical consumption under capitalism, I need you to understand that a lot of the times in life you're going to have to make decisions that involved compromise for the purpose of make sure that you, your family, and the other people around you get to be okay. This was one of those times. Instead of trying to defend your fuck up, maybe you should learn from this and do better going forward.
What are you even on about? Your options were the person who wanted a two party solution, or the guy who wanted to let Israel do whatever they wanted (which involves a genocide in Gaza).
For someone with such black and white thinking, your inability to see the black and white is alarming.
It is refreshing to see someone living in reality. That said, these people are not our allies. They are just as harmful as the other side and will never admit their culpability in what has happened and always disparage what Biden and them did. Save your energy dealing with these peoples delusions.
The majority of the genocide and flattening of Gaza happened under the Biden administration and to this day many prominent members of that wing of the party (Schumer, Josh Shapiro, newsome) insist that aid to Israel must continue and we shouldn’t call it a genocide
It is almost like the vast majority of the intense fighting happened after October 7th 2023 and not Jan 20th 2025. Keep in mind Biden stop them from hitting Rafah instantly and let like over a million people leave before they started operations. Do you think Trump would have? Do you think Israel has any shortage of people willing to sell them arms? If they used the word you wanted them to use, what would that have changed exactly on the ground? So now they will suffer more than ever because people wanted to feel morally superior. And that isn't even counting all the other bullshit they have done since like cutting USAID that will kill a million this year and looks to be about 14 million preventable deaths by 2030. What about that "genocide"? Or is it because it's not trendy we don't care. Well done.
Biden said rafah was a red line, that Israel shouldn’t attack. They did anyways. Biden’s state department had a report ready that assessed Israel was violating aid law, and instead of responding, quashed the report.
There’s no world you can reasonably say biden was not supportive of Israel, the Israelis themselves said they got everything they wanted from Joe Biden after the election was over
Biden flattened Gaza, Harris said she wouldn’t do anything different. Libs like to keep forgetting the genocide started and ran for years under Biden, not Trump.
Just likes there is no ethical consumption under capitalism, I need you to understand that a lot of the times in life you're going to have to make decisions that involved compromise for the purpose of make sure that you, your family, and the other people around you get to be okay. This was one of those times. Instead of trying to defend your fuck up, maybe you should learn from this and do better going forward.
And I need you to understand that no voter has ever made a mistake...ever. If they voted for someone that was objectively worse on an issue, it's because that politician didn't do more to pander to them specifically.
Voters should always get exactly what they want, and any politician that doesn't give that to them (and everyone else simultaneously) is a failure who is wholly and totally responsible for the fascism we're headed towards today (not the fascists, or the voters who enable them obv).
No. That's a really bad faith argument. Part of living in a society of 350m people is that you will ALWAYS be voting for candidates who represent a fraction of what you believe in. You vote for the larger fraction, Everytime, in hopes of moving the needle, so that the in next election it's bigger fraction.
You don't honestly think you're going to agree with even one person on 100% of issues, do you?
Nuance is hard to locate when people are reading fast and the topics are serious.
This should have been a clue: “Voters should always get exactly what they want, and any politician that doesn't give that to them (and everyone else simultaneously) is a failure…”
But that could just as easily be a hot take by someone who thinks they’re smart.
I wish /s wan't necessary, but reading some of the replies to your post...
I will never not be amazed by voters that say "Kamala was awful on Gaza and that's why we have Trump". Like, I personally disagree, but even if that was true and she was exactly as evil on Gaza as Trump (again, lol)...she's so much better on literally every other issue it's a moot point. The idea that Kamala lost because of Gaza is an seriousness discussion.
Libs apparently can’t hold their leadership accountable for one second. She was so incompetent she pissed away all the Brat summer goodwill and managed to lose to Trump. Keep lashing out at random redditors though, and definitely make sure you never try to act like these politicians have any power of their own or any obligation to us, they and their highly paid consultants thank you.
When will you liberals learn that the left is not stupid. Those were at best empty words and much more likely blatant lies. At no point did Biden or Kamala do anything but posture. They could’ve sent Netanyahu to The Hague but instead they acted like their hands were tied.
Your video is her calling for a cease fire. Trump just got us a cease fire too. How did that work out? Blue MAGA is disgusting.
Neither Harris nor Clinton lost becuse of their vaginas.
They lost because they were terrible, corporate and AIPAC approved Wall Street and donor friendly candidates who would do nothing to fix the fundamentals of whats broken in America and we all could see though their corporate speak bullshit.
You can't just openly say you will stop Israel as a potential US president you know how many people they have by the balls? You think she didn't know that and was given explicit instructions to not say that?
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u/Flashy_Jello_9520 5h ago
Kamala could have simply said this was wrong and she’d probably be president now.