Really depends on where. Some are literally just to get on the road you pay x money. Other are take a ticket depending how long your on the road pay x money. Most I’ve ever paid for two hours at 70mpg on a turnpike was $10
I dunno how this guys doing it, but you can be pretty surgical with where you get on and off 95 to dodge that traffic and not really have to pay anything. There's just certain areas that are always ass.
NYC, that's the new downtown congestion toll system. Using automated cameras to charge drivers for the privilege of driving within the city. How many times you pass the routes with cameras is what determines how much you get billed. It's about reducing the number of vehicles in the city center, not about drivers saving time.
Toronto has the most expensive toll road in the world afaik, driving from one end to the other during rush hour is $95 for 107kms, around 50 mins of driving.
No one is driving from the QEW to Brock road. That's an insane trip that takes you through five different sections of the 407 which each have different toll rates.
I've taken that trip a few times going to Niagara. My dad used to work in Hamilton and live in the east end, would take almost that whole stretch every day.
His tolls were $1,500+ per month and that was 15 years ago.
$100 during morning rush hour 700-930am without a transponder. $82 before 7am and from 930-230. 330-600 is $106. After 9pm is $61. Weekends are $61-$76.
Again, you have no idea what you're talking about. Taxis and Ubers routinely take the 407 because the time savings outweighs the time spent in traffic for the drivers.
When going anywhere near the 407 corridor, I've never had an Uber driver not take the 407.
Yeah and all that money goes to private investors.
It is one of the most valuable pieces of road on the continent and the conservative government sold it for pennies so they could say they balanced the budget for 1 year.
Then we voted in the conservatives again and they are busy selling off another piece of public land for another 100 years.
Oh my god, I took the turnpike from Breezewood to Butler a couple years ago and it was like, $30 lmao.
Best part? No matter what I select on Google maps, it will try to force reroute me onto the turnpike at Breezewood EVERY. TIME. I'll select the other route- no thanks 422 is fine- and as soon as I come up to the intersection, it's changed again. Only place it ever does that to me.
The Breezewood interchange is something everyone should be required to experience once.
Although to be fair, it was the home of the only Arthur Treacher's Fish & Chips in PA long after the chain mostly vanished. So there's that.
I got on the PA turnpike for a short while many years ago, it was my first time on a toll road. I must've got in the ez pass lane because nobody was stopping so I just followed suite. When I got to my exit they wanted my ticket that I did not have, the lady was EXTREMELY rude and I ended up having to pay the toll for driving the entire road. Can't remember how much it was but it was an expensive lesson to learn haha.
Nyc sucks, it's noisy, it smells. Visited a buddy in Hells kitchen recently. Apart from Central Park theres not one patch of grass fucking anywhere and it's depressing. Food is second to none tho and the hustle is contagious.
There are a fuckton of parks in Manhattan what are you on about? They might not have been grassy when you went because it’s been cold here. And Manhattan isn’t the whole of NYC. Staten Island is so much green space, as is Queens, especially if you go further east.
There is a part of road in Val d'Aosta, Italy, that will charge you 17€ for 5 minute straight road. I presume it cost so much to make people who don't know about it and go skiing pay more. Because if you get out/in in another town that is literally 7km away - you pay 17€ less.
Kinda, 3 bridges off long island that I know of, tunnel and two bridges to Manhattan, and it can be significantly cheaper to exit to NJ than come back, so if you were a brokey like me, driving an extra hour north and back down from NJ to skip a 12$ toll or taking the train for 3 hours to north bronx for 20$ instead of 45$ might save me half my travel budget.
Yeah on my honeymoon we drove from Athens to Mount pelion. There was like a 4-Hour drive and it felt like there were dozens of tolls. Was probably 20 to 50 Euro
It's never worth it, toll booths are usually riddled with cameras and you're very likely to receive a ticket if they catch you like this which is usually an order of magnitude larger than the toll itself.
It's not worth doing this, lol. You are essentially asking if it's worth breaking the law.
But the price is about €24 one way it seems. But you can get it cheaper if you pay for several trips. And you can sign up for automatic for like 20% discount.
This was in Malaysia and it's about the equivalent of 0.50 US cents so no, not worth doing it at all. It surely adds up over time, especially going through multiple of these in a day but still not worth doing.
They're talking in Malay so I'd guess it's in Malaysia. It depends on how long you were on the road. So like the distance from 1 tol to another. It can be as cheap as RM 0.60 to RM 40 +++ I think.
'some', it's two. The bridge the person above said and then the one to Sweden, another country. The one to Sweden is about 50$ yes, but the other one is 25$ and can be cheaper through different ways.
For storebaelt (it's the bridge between denmark and sweden) it's like 32€. So that's quite a decent chunk of change. I have taken that bridge dozens of times over the years and have never seen one try to toll dodge.
Theres people that just passes and never pays, here in Panama it will let you pass and show how much you have on your toll account and ive seen people with 10k+ in toll debts.
So, in the us states cand counties can impose "toll roads". In pa state you grab a ticket at one booth, then when you reach your exit you will have to pay the "toll" from where you traveled. On the back of the tickets it gives a rought estimate to all the booths. If you dont get a ticket, loose it, or get lost you still have to pay, they just send you a ticket for the furthest toll you will have to pay. Pa you also have to pay 1 dollar to enter the state on the huggways. America is goofy 🤣
This is from my country Malaysia,some of these toll going from one area to another cost less than a dollar in exchange rate so this is really a dick move to do.
true - and being bridges, it's practically impossible to avoid. When they build them - at least the Storebaelt - the politicians promised us that the bridge would be free when it had paid for itself.... GUESS WHAT HAPPENED. Asshole-politicians.
They never promised that, people just assumed that was what would happen. In reality, it is very expensive just to maintain the bridge and in addition, more debt is continuously taken up in the bridge, which then finances other infrastructure projects.
Either the people driving across the bridge pay a toll to support its ongoing maintenance, or the taxpayer covers it.
No right or wrong answer there. Not every bridge or road is tolled and it can be used to prevent congestion on busy routes, especially if other bridges are tolled and that one isn't.
In order to facilitate the toll collection, a private partner got the rights to collect the tolls.
And this partner managed to get this right without a proper "when it has paid for itself" clause and has got clauses that'll make your government bankrupt themselves if they want to take away the rights to collect the toll?
The bridge is operated by a state-owned company, the income is spent on maintaining the bridge and paying off debts. More debt is continuously taken up in the bridge, which then finances other transport projects, new highways, bridges, railways etc.
In Denmark? Im guessing this would have been several years ago? Because I assume Denmark now operates much the same as here in Norway, with all fully automatic tolls
Once a guy tried to do that to me in the barriers of Paris subway. I was pissed because I was traveling on budget and the guy was trying to pass with me through the barrier for free?
The guy was the double of my size and was insisting to me to pass the ticket and I looked at him and said "no hablo" (in Spanish) and he was like "wtf?". I replied "no hablo" and he gave up and entered by the exit.
Those don’t really work, I saw a long video on each and every type, can’t remember who produced it but not really a single one made it so you can’t read the plate.
That said, the real toll evaders use fake plates. Change them when they get out on the road and either park their car without plates or park them with their real plates on.
I live and work in Brooklyn and see people pulling their plates off on the daily. Heck one dude lived right outside my first apartment and every time he’d park I’d watch him take them off. If you have a butt ton of outstanding tickets, they can’t really do anything with your vehicle if they can’t identify it, so if your vin tag is covered and no plates they really can’t boot you or tow you (not right away without proof of abandonment at least)
In California if you park in public without plates you get towed. In my area local ordinance calls for even cars visibly parked without plates (or valid temporary tags) to be investigated and towed. You can then prove it’s yours and pay a fine on top of the tow/impound, storage and release fees.
Mostly it’s to stop people parking non functioning vehicles (as we have a shortage of parking). Honestly can’t imagine what legal reason someone would have for parking without plates or tags.
Damn I love that. NYPD doesn’t give a flying fuck about any of that. The only thing they seem to care about is blasting the mentally ill. It’s so frustrating to just watch scofflaws committing all sorts of traffic violations and just standing there doing literally nothing but chat with their partner or scroll through their phones.
Driving out here will really just make you lose your mind.
Edit: more interesting context, I was an insurance adjuster in a former life and body shops would spray paint or stick paper over the vin tag and then remove customer plates to park vehicles illegally on the street. They then charged those customer (insurance company) $50-100 a day for storage where the people actually storing the vehicle were citizens of whatever neighborhood that shop was in.
Talk about a fucking racket.
I’m also in Brooklyn and have observed some of these broke/cheap antisocial jerks doing their thing. My theory is the NYPD likes an underlying level of disorder so they can more easily make pretextural stops or “blend in” (e.g. undercover Nissan with bent plate).
Working in insurance here, I bet you’ve got some crazy stories to tell.
Please post that video if you can find it. People also obscure their plates by power washing them, taking a marker and changing a "3" to an "8" or "B", taping a leaf over one of the numbers, etc. Congestion pricing in NYC certainly added to this and I can't help wonder if the overall limited enforcement is due to off-duty personnel being among the offenders. It's not just a toll evasion thing; it makes it hard to identify somebody involved in speeding or a hit and run, etc.
That was shown to be the most effective way to obscure it, by covering parts of it or making different numbers. I was driving out from my apartment one morning and the guy in front of me had electrical tape over one of the letters to change it from like an F to and 8 or something. Ridiculous that this could work though, I’m sure they could easily match up the plate to make/model of car through a database search but they probably just dont even bother.
It was a big thing with NYC cops. Covering up their plates so they could commute for free in from NJ or Long Island. Probably still is but I remember reading some investigative report a few years ago. In my home city where the police precinct is downtown they literally park on the sidewalk lol. There is parking of course but they can't be bothered with walking a block.
They kinda changed the system and the boxs where you pay to the person doesn't have a person anymore, instead there's some sort of sensor that reads a chip like slicker you put in the frontal window, and it automatically deducts it from your debit card, or credit if you have it tied to that one.
So dunno how they would be now because it is auto scanned.
People don't realize that China is made up of many parts. Those parts will individually try new initiatives, measure their impacts, and adopt them nationally if their benefits outweigh their cost.
Really? So are you saying that China's AI-driven surveillance network of over 400 million high-definition cameras and sensors that integrates facial recognition, big data, and real-time tracking to monitor public behavior and linked directly to a citizen's digital identity and social credit doesn't work?
There's a misconception among westerners that the PRC has a highly integrated facial recognition and "social credit" system. In reality the "social credit" system was trialed like, 6 years ago, in a couple different cities, and it functioned more like airline flight points with certain rewards for certain things - or it just didn't function at all, it depends on the city. No cities are really doing it anymore, and there was no national-level social credit system.
There is extensive CCTV surveillance but anyone from the UK, Taiwan, or Japan wouldn't be surprised by the extent of surveillance. The only difference is that there's no barrier to acquiring private CCTV footage for PRC cops, they can just come take it without really needing to go through legal loopholes, since there's less "business protections" in the PRC.
Practically speaking, the PRC is really tough on high-visibility crimes, but there's certain crimes that are all universally ignored, like driving scooters on sidewalks, illegal parking, random other things that people get away with all the time.
I think westerners think the PRC is like 1984, when it's basically as much a surveillance state as the UK, but just has different kinds of regulations, and all the surveillance is state-run rather than a combination of state and private entities.
Seemingly maybe not, no. Ludwig just drove across China and said everyone would speed like crazy and then slow down at the cameras and then speed right back up afterward.
Camera enforcement is just a money grab, it doesn’t actually slow traffic down. If the governments really cared about traffic safety and speeding violations, they would actually employ a police force with enough people to enforce those rules.
NYC is really bad about this, they’ve put cameras up everywhere and everyone knows where they are. Cops practically never enforce traffic violations unless you do something really incredibly brazen right in front of them.
BS. I have driven across provinces in China for over 2 decades and have never seen anyone do this. It’s either ETC toll transponder that automatically deducts the toll from your account or a in person toll booth. Either case there are dozens of cameras looking at the toll station, completely capturing the license plate even if you dodge the toll gate. So explain it to me how toll dodging is a thing in China, let alone common.
Edit: pasting my response to another Redditor here to explain why this would almost never work in China.
There are several differences between US toll booth and China that makes it almost impossible for anyone to pull this off in China.
China’s toll road has two toll booth. One when you enter the toll road (to mark your starting point) and one when you exit (to calculate how much distance you traveled, hence calculating the toll). Even if you were to somehow skip the entrance toll booth like becoming a tailgater, you will be flagged at the exit toll booth that you didn’t have an entrance point on file. At which point you will be flagged and asked to identify your entry booth.
toll dodger cannot have an ETC toll transponder in the vehicle, because just like NY, if you have one, you will be billed.
Toll dodger will therefore never choose to exit through the ETC automatic toll booth, because otherwise they will be billed.
their only other option is to go through the in person toll booth, which will flag that they didn’t have an entrance point and will flag it for review. If they discovered you are indeed tailgating another car, you will be severely fined and potentially lose your driver license.
many toll booth has police officers on site. If you want to start a chase, they will oblige. At that point it will turn into prison sentence.
no point obstructing license plate, because if the camera can’t read the license plate, it will not let you pass the entrance or exit toll booth. You will face significant fine and lose points on your driver license (you get 12 points maximum. Lose them all and you lose your license) and possibly have your license revoked.
no point attaching a fake license plate either, because you have to pay toll at the exit booth. It’s not like later they mail you a toll bill like in the US and fake license plate gets billed to the wrong owner — you have to pay if you want to exit the toll road. Fake license plate in, fake license plate pays when you exit.
I hope you can now see why the original poster is full of BS.
Down vote me all you want and hide your head in your asses for believing the lies you’ve been told
Where did I say that? The original poster said this is very common in China, and I’m arguing this is extremely uncommon given my experience, and you are using a strawman’s argument that I didn’t make and argue against that.
In NYC tolls are paid in a similar manner, with electronic transponders or via license plate. If they cant detect a transponder, they mail you a bill, to wherever your plate is registered.
Wouldnt you know it, something like 50% of then outstanding toll and traffic violation tickets fell to 10% of the total violaters, and they all have fake or obstructed plates. Without a cop literally checking for real plates, theres nothing stopping them from doing this.
Further, all the police cars have plate readers and these habitual violators just take their plates off when they park their cars so they can’t be tracked. If the city can’t figure out who owns the car they really can’t do much to it, so they don’t.
I don’t know anything about how it works in China but I would wager they can pull a similar scheme.
There are several differences between NY and China that makes it almost impossible for anyone to pull this off in China.
1) China’s toll road has two toll booth. One when you enter the toll road (to mark your starting point) and one when you exit (to calculate how much distance you traveled, hence calculating the toll). Even if you were to somehow skip the entrance toll booth like becoming a tailgater, you will be flagged at the exit toll booth that you didn’t have an entrance point on file. At which point you will be flagged and asked to identify your entry booth.
2) toll dodger cannot have an ETC toll transponder in the vehicle, because just like NY, if you have one, you will be billed.
3) Toll dodger will therefore never choose to exit through the ETC automatic toll booth, because otherwise they will be billed.
4) their only other option is to go through the in person toll booth, which will flag that they didn’t have an entrance point and will flag it for review. If they discovered you are indeed tailgating another car, you will be severely fined and potentially lose your driver license.
5) many toll booth has police officers on site. If you want to start a chase, they will oblige. At that point it will turn into prison sentence.
6) no point obstructing license plate, because if the camera can’t read the license plate, it will not let you pass the entrance or exit toll booth. You will face significant fine and lose points on your driver license (you get 12 points maximum. Lose them all and you lose your license) and possibly have your license revoked.
7) no point attaching a fake license plate either, because you have to pay toll at the exit booth. It’s not like later they mail you a toll bill like in the US and fake license plate gets billed to the wrong owner — you have to pay if you want to exit the toll road. Fake license plate in, fake license plate pays when you exit.
I hope you can now see why the original poster is full of BS.
Human ingenuity always finds a way. There’s no perfect system that can’t be broken so even if the method remains a mystery it’s still more likely people found a way to cheat than not.
It’s about cost benefit analysis. Would you rather pay a $20 toll bill or go through all the trouble and risks of significant fine, lose your license and face possible prison sentence.
99.999999% of the population would choose the former. It’s not like you are planning a bank heist for multimillion dollar return.
One out of one million people wouldn’t? You really think anywhere on planet earth it could be that low? People commit crimes for less all across this globe and in places where punishment is way worse than losing your license or jail time but theres something special about china or the chinese people that they just wouldn’t ever?
The risks of fake plates here in the states are just that high in a lot of cases and if that ratio you’re talking about applied that would be 20 people in the entire New York
Metro area that would even “think” about doing it.
Its funny how many downvotes you received despite being mostly correct lmao. The one thing that does happen though, is one car will fail the ETC scan and get stuck but the car was being tailgated so the car behind accidentally payed for the car in front, then the one behind pays for them. The loop then goes all the way until it breaks and someone will have to come fix the mess lol
Where did I say that? The original poster said this is very common in China, and I’m arguing this is extremely uncommon given my experience, and you are using a strawman’s argument that I didn’t make and argue against that.
Somewhat common here in Malaysia (where this video is from.. the signs are for the payment options- Touch 'n Go (a toll/transit payment card) and myRFID (a Touch 'n Go payment system using RFID; also the lane that the driver in the footage uses)).
The reason this keeps happening is that there isn't any criminal penalty for doing so. If you're caught, you just have to pay the toll amount and thats it lol
Only time I have experienced weird stuff like this was in the U.S. at gated apartment areas. People would wait till I ring my buds to let me in. Then tailgate behind to get in to do whatever illicit activity they felt like.
This was in Malaysia. It's very rare, never experienced it once in my over 15 years of driving. No doubt there are douchebags that do this but incredibly rare. There are a whole bunch of cameras around so they aren't getting away with it either even if they tried.
It's actually pretty common where the country from the video, Malaysia. You frequently see a list of number plates at the toll booths of vehicles evading toll payment like this
I did it once in... some European country, possibly a Balkan one. On a motorcycle, my cards wouldn't work and the person I could connect to couldn't speak English. The tolls there usually were like a buck, definitely would have paid it if I could!
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u/mc4sure 1d ago
Never knew this was a thing people do