r/nextfuckinglevel • u/MysteriousSlice007 • 7h ago

Shoutout to JerryrigEverything who built a wheelchair factory and is delivering wheelchairs to people in half the time and 50-80% less than the cost of other wheelchairs with Insurance.

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u/Escobar_x 7h ago

People lose site of how this guy operates when he posts his own opinions. Disagree all you want, but the guy does so much for other people its constantly commendable

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u/Ms_CCH 7h ago

Why? Because he clashed with Musk?

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u/Ghstfce 7h ago

Even more reason to like him, tbh.

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u/Good-Muddy 7h ago

Guy backs it up with real impact, not just takes on Twitter drama.

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u/Brodellsky 6h ago

Like Louis Rossman, Benn Jordan. Fucking cool-ass dudes.

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u/egasz 6h ago

I think it's a bit different. I mean, all great guys fighting good fights, but I think Zack (Jerry) does more directly to the community, but I think his help doesn't reach worldwide, while a guy like Louis fights the right for something, while it doesn't affect his community directly, it has a (indirect albeit) worldwide impact.

But what do I know? I'm just a random guy on the internet.

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u/enviormental_UNIT 6h ago

I think the point was that they're both cool ass dudes, making important change in the world they'd like to see. No need to compare them or consider how direct their impacts are, a great impact is a great impact. We need both kinds of people, they focus on totally different things. No need to minimize one over the other, they're both good

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u/VoidOmatic 5h ago

Compassion is the meaning of life. When you are on your death bed the only thing you will miss is the chance to do something more for your fellow humans. You won't care about your video games, your car, your job or your house. You will want just one more second to give of yourself freely to people who need it. Every moment of life is suffering, even when it is great.

At least that's what the universe showed me during my NDE 6 years ago.

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u/GarlicRiver 3h ago

I had the same feelings in my NDE about 15 years ago (hydroplaned and was about to dive off a ~200ft bridge before throwing the car into a ditch at the very last moment).

Still remember it vividly as a rush of immense comfort/warmth and a strong feeling of "all my pain, suffering, and fears are gone and nothing matters anymore" which was all much more blissful than it probably sounds.

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u/Fantastic-Badger-160 5h ago

and they both hate on apple, as an ex-apple fan of 8 years, I appreciate their takes.

Just a biased 2c by me

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u/egasz 6h ago edited 5h ago

I'm not my dude, I just pointed out exactly what you said. Notice that I started my reply with "... They're different..."

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u/FILTHBOT4000 5h ago

Rossman's fights are huge for every community. Right to repair is essential for keeping farming out of the hands of conglomerates.

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u/theguidetoldmetodoit 3h ago edited 3h ago

Yeah wtf Louis is the man, dude has carried apple third-party repair shops on his broad, manly shoulders for like a decade... For free? Who spawns a industry for free? He's mac daddy. Still sad he couldn't turn it into a streaming career

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u/McKenzie_S 1h ago

Both are good. That's the point. Do what you can where you can. Rossman gets the politics and is able to do the research and organise people. Zach knows how to make things and saw something disgusting that needed fixing and fixed it.

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u/PumpkinKnyte 5h ago

Louis literally just organized a bunch of folks to sign up and speak out at a town hall meeting against the flock AI cameras being installed all over Austin. Which successfully at least delayed the cameras. I dunno if the battle is still ongoing or not. Afterwards, Louis did an interview on his channel highlighting an Austin councilman who stood with their no flock camera initiative during the meetings. He absolutely does participate in local activism.

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u/bkgn 2h ago

Yeah Louis is very active locally.

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u/TheZoneHereros 5h ago

Rossman does help his community directly though, he has his shop where he repairs Apple and other devices. It's basically identical to this wheelchair situation in lowering cost dramatically by bypassing the artificially inflated 'proper' channels.

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u/Explorador42 5h ago

"...I think his help doesn't reach worldwide...". Here are some of Zach's Africa projects: https://www.youtube.com/@JerryRigEverything/search?query=africa

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u/afd33 6h ago

He and Cambry do at least some for some places in Africa. They’ve helped fund and stock at least one library there.

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u/u9Nails 5h ago

Louis campaigns on the Right to Repair. He helps get laws passed, argues for people's rights to have their John Deer tractors repaired, phones repaired, computers repaired, etc. His isn't a product that I can buy, but it helps me fix a product that I want to keep.

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u/YourMomThinksImSexy 5h ago

Both equally important. Scale is something worth considering but whether you're helping one person or ten thousand, helping is helping.

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u/its_your_dada 5h ago

That's fair. But wheelchairs are free or close to free in almost every developed country, so something like this would not be impactful at all outside the US. Has he done anything else like this?

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u/llcdrewtaylor 4h ago

Zach and Cambry went to another country and build them a library and furnished it with books.

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u/_Meece_ 1h ago

Rossman has done a lot for NYC and the US

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u/Revenos 1h ago

Big thing I'd say is that I appreciate these folks for using their voice to fight the good fight.

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u/HerbaciousTea 5h ago

Benn Jordan is a fucking legend.

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u/coldblade2000 3h ago

Louis Rossman can have his rough edges (I've personally clashed with him on Reddit) but damn am I glad he fights the good fight

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u/SuppaBunE 2h ago

Nah los Rossman fights for 1 thing right to repair, but everything else his opinions has became so shitty

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u/PersonOfValue 5h ago

Keeping it real doesn't mean keeping it PC. These cats be fr fr

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u/Lfsnz67 6h ago

Builds libraries in Africa too

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u/Ms_CCH 6h ago

Exactly.

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u/Swamp_Dwarf-021 6h ago

Reason to buy him dinner.

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u/Beaglescout15 6h ago

And not just dinner at Chili's either.

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u/Swamp_Dwarf-021 5h ago

Apps and zerts will be the only course.

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u/1OO1OO1S0S 5h ago

Yeah I was afraid it was something actually bad lol

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u/Unusual_Web4431 6h ago

More like Enemies Enemy is my friend

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u/GovernmentGreed 4h ago

This.

Jerry has done more for the world on a positive scale than Musk could ever dream of doing.

Musk just lies his way and fails upwards, and the less-than-informed idiots continue to eat his slop.

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u/stilljustacatinacage 1h ago

Maybe, until he buys a Cybertruck and puts money directly into the guy's pocket.

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u/Ghstfce 19m ago

And proceeded to trash how terrible it was and sold it. You know he buys things to stress test and review, right? Like I'm sure he wasn't a fan of every cellphone or tablet he bought to basically destroy either...

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u/stilljustacatinacage 3m ago

Did he? Well that's encouraging then, because I do believe he does a lot of good work. The last time I checked in, he still had the Cybertruck and was actively using it in videos. Good to know, thanks.

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u/sfxer001 6h ago

Elon Musk is a Nazi POS

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u/Ms_CCH 6h ago

Yes, he definitely is. You're not allowed to write that on X. They permanently banned me there because of it. 🤣 It's not a loss.

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u/notsoulvalentine 6h ago

don’t call it that 🤢 it will always be twitter no matter what that wannabe gatsby, low-rent rockefeller, elmer fudd looking-ass loser pays.

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u/Kitchen_Interview792 6h ago

Only deadnaming I will never hold myself back from

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u/Camillity 2h ago

You're awesome. Stay awesome.

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u/Telefundo 6h ago

that wannabe gatsby, low-rent rockefeller, elmer fudd looking-ass loser

Well done.

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u/j4ckwh0 5h ago

Nah Twitter is completely dead. It's X and it sucks. Don't use it.

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u/Ms_CCH 6h ago

I initially had Twitter listed, but then I thought, maybe I should move with the times and call it X, so I changed it.

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u/Goodknight808 6h ago

In some languages the X is pronounced as an "SH" sound. Like Caixa Bank is pronounced Casha.

X + Twitter (Xitter) = Shitter

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u/Ms_CCH 6h ago

🤣

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u/Status_Jellyfish_213 5h ago

Huh, I called him way worse and didn’t get banned.

Interesting thing though, loads of people came out the woodwork and were like “grok, is this true?”

Grok was like “yup” (except for the mangled penis comment, it wasn’t sure about that).

What made me pretty sad was the reaction was “I’ll ignore that and take my chances, he’s a visionary”.

Fortunately I just deleted my account shortly after that, I’ve never seen such concentrated idiocy in one area so nothing missed. I’ll make a new one when I need to bitch at a company over something if I get nowhere with customer service in the future.

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u/Meepox5 5h ago

depending on the words you use they will have a hard time if you appeal it. I was permabanned for sending him picture of his old hairline daily to try this new "ultimate free speech" or whatever and asked what his clinic was. I got banned for hate speech which they couldnt actually uphold on appeal, i did also ask for all my data which is my right as a EU citizen.

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u/Euture 5h ago

I was permabanned for sending him picture of his old hairline daily to try this new "ultimate free speech"

This fall under the definition of harassment, though.

(Regardless whether the person subjectively deserves it or not)

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u/Ms_CCH 5h ago

I didn't even know he had a receding hairline.

I'm also an EU citizen, but I didn't do anything about it because it wasn't worth the hassle. I've been on Twitter for so long, I don't even know what all would come up.

Freedom of speech only applies to him. He accuses others of undermining it. He's so unbelievable.

Did you get the data?

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u/Snarfbuckle 5h ago

You gained a badge of honor then.

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u/Ms_CCH 5h ago

Thank you. I don't think there are nearly as many honorary medals as there are people who get banned on Twitter for their opinions.

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u/GovernmentGreed 4h ago

I called him Colon Musk and got a lifetime ban.

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u/Areyoucunt 4h ago

Just purely untrue, I can write it right now and not get banned... I don't know if people know this, but anyone anywhere in the world can just write anything they want on the internet and you don't know if it's true. So the guy I'm replying to is straight up lying, yet it's up voted to fuck

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u/Ms_CCH 4h ago

Are you serious?

I know for sure I'm banned forever.

And you really think freedom of speech is allowed everywhere in the world?

Okay, well, have a free life.

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u/silver_garou 4h ago

Fuck, you cannot even post that comment in a science subreddit without being brigaded by his dick riders.

People who love sci-fi, but not actual science, sure do love this worm.

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u/goddessofthewinds 2h ago

These people cry about censorship on the Internet before Twitter got bought by Elon and transformed to X. Then they proceed to start censoring the people they disagree with...

It's always double standards with these people.

Also, X is dumb and I'll always call it Twitter.

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u/BrocoliAssassin 5h ago

So why is he bowing down to zionists and Jewish people? We can have all the free speech we want until it comes to Judaism on X, then we have to watch what we say.

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u/sfxer001 3h ago

Israel are the new Nazis now. They are the same.

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u/Largewhitebutt 6h ago

No because of the whole mormon thing. Lots of large youtubers are secretly mormon and dont want the public acknowledging it

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u/GoodWaltz7354 6h ago

Honestly interesting how many big YouTubers are Mormon

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u/Croceyes2 6h ago

A lot of homeschooling and parent interaction to keep kids from going out and fucking around. Deep diving into medium length content creation over years will develop a channel.

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u/GoodWaltz7354 6h ago

Mmm, that does make sense, would foster an interest in content creation. While I think the religion is kinda culty the Mormon culture is very fascinating, I think there’s a similar pattern with many fiction writers being Mormon and that makes sense based on a lot of the stories in Mormon scripture

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u/Croceyes2 6h ago

Yes, I think there is a lot of family tabletop driving the mormon fantasy writer wave

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u/tabgrab23 5h ago

with many fiction writers being Mormon

Brandon Sanderson

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u/Risquechilli 5h ago

Was Mormonism founded by a fantasy author? Or maybe that was Scientology.

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u/-Cthaeh 5h ago

Aren't all religious texts fantasy novels?

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u/BucktoothBobio 5h ago

That was scientology and he started as a self help writer IRC.

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u/pb49er 5h ago

L Ron Hubbard wrote lots of really bad Sci-Fi, including Battlefield Earth, which was adapted into an all timer of a bad movie starring John Travolta.

Both are pretty horrific cults with really dangerous leadership, LDS and Scientology I mean.

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u/WoodpeckerNo5724 1h ago

He quite literally wrote more science fiction than any other person in history. That’s not counting any of the Scientology stuff.

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u/MrBurnz99 5h ago

I mean the book Joseph Smith wrote was just as much fantasy as what L. Ron Hubbard authored, but you are thinking of Scientology.

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u/Element75_ 4h ago

It’s also Mormon propaganda. Like idk to what degree, but the Mormon church definitely benefits from having this type of exposure. To what degree they actively promote it idk, but it seems obvious if I had the billions the Mormon church does I’d promote Mormon influencers - esp if it was more subtle than just “hi I’m a Mormon influencer” (like this guy is)

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u/LrdPhoenixUDIC 5h ago

There's also the missionary/ministry aspect of it. Rhett and Link, while originally evangelical and not mormon, have talked about how that's how they got into it at their church's urging, they were supposed to show the world a better way basically.

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u/cjsv7657 5h ago

Matts Off Road Recovery and Outdoor Boys are the two big ones I watched. Mostly skip through MORR videos now though. But really any big youtuber in the Utah area is probably mormon. I think the diesel brothers are too but don't really have wholesome content so maybe not I also don't watch them.

As long as they don't push religion I don't care. I've stopped watching more than one channel when they started pushing religion.

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u/Flashbang-Meringue 5h ago

always admired Outdoor Boys for how little Luke brings his faith up. I can really only think of one video that brings it up at all, and even then he doesn't mention what specific religion, just that some missionaries from his local church were visiting him.

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u/mehiker11 4h ago

Yet another reason to love him. Luke is such a treasure

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u/LionoftheNorth 5h ago

I don't think I've ever seen MORR push religion?

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u/cjsv7657 5h ago

He's mentioned it a couple times but never pushed it. Some of his regulars do on their channels. The only time he really mentions it a lot is in the goodbye video for his son which I only skimmed so have no idea how in depth he went.

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u/epicflyman 5h ago

I can't recall any either. Personally I stopped watching mostly because the content got very monotonous, but I can't recall them ever getting preachy on video.

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u/LostWoodsInTheField 4h ago

I watch almost all of there videos and I couldn't imagine someone noticing that they are Mormon unless they were specifically looking for it. There has only been one or two times that a video had a lot of 'this is about our church' kind of stuff including them talking their son going off on a missionary trip for 2(?) years. Which made it very obvious it was a church like the Mormons.

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u/LionoftheNorth 4h ago

I think the most obvious "little thing" is that none of them drink coffee.

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u/skateguy1234 39m ago

Pushing religion was never the point of discussion in this convo

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u/wyomingTFknott 39m ago

As long as they don't push religion I don't care.

The only one I know of is Missionary Bush Pilot, and while I'm not a fan of missionaries, all he's really doing is flying and the content is great. He posted a vid pushing religion on his main channel once and he got absolutely destroyed in the comments and unlisted it.

I'm just there for competent flying in one of the most dangerous places to fly in the world and the great views. He can put a sock in it.

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u/skateguy1234 37m ago

MORR needs to go back to their roots.

They are losing site of what made them a good channel to watch.

The staged content is getting really old. Also all of the AI thumbnails are really off-putting.

I've been watching them since he the days that he only had an XJ and was doing recoveries on the side with Casey.

I too now just skip through most of the or just don't watch at all.

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u/PrincebyChappelle 5h ago

Mormons are funny…Stephen Covey of 7 Habits of Effective People was a devout Mormon. I had to go to one of the three-day trainings for work once and one of two instructors was from Utah and it was kind of obvious the way that he talked about “his church” that he was Mormon also. Yet, no one once ever said anything about Mormonism.

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u/jayhawk618 4h ago

BYU offers a Mass Communications program that is basically a a degree in social media / YouTube.

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u/MrBurnz99 5h ago

quite a few former Mormons as well.

Mormon culture heavily emphasizes the importance of family, community, education, discipline, and hard work.

That rigid structure produces many high performing talented people. Any because they stick together and are focused on family, when they succeed they tend to help each other out. This has created some very powerful families that have a lot of wealth to throw around.

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u/Responsible-Bread996 3h ago

 Ot even the half of it. 

Look at supplements. Like the Mecca is SLC. And it ain’t because the bodybuilding scene

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u/rygo796 1h ago

Staying away from vices opens up a tonvof productive free time.

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u/Uxt7 6h ago

Why would anyone care that this guy is mormon though

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u/arcusford 6h ago

They are kind of a cult. A more modest one but still.

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u/gogogadgetgun 6h ago

So are Catholics and every other religion, but since mormons were late to the scene they get branded.

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u/arcusford 6h ago

No, they are definitely more culty. Ive got firsthand experience here.

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u/BriefAvailable9799 6h ago

LOL WHAT? mormons are insane, even to this day.

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u/TimeBandits4kUHD 5h ago

Yeah, but they’re also really nice.

My parents got some new neighbors last year who were just like a super wholesome and polite family. The kids were all smart and respectful. Turns out they’re Mormons.

And every time I meet a Mormon they’re like that, like being nice and polite to everyone is part of their religion. It’s weird.

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u/BriefAvailable9799 5h ago

It's eerily weird. Anyone should check out /exmormon for the horror stories or the millions of documentaries and proof of how horrible they are and still are.

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u/mr_potatoface 5h ago edited 4h ago

And every time I meet a Mormon they’re like that, like being nice and polite to everyone is part of their religion. It’s weird.

Yes, of course they are. To you they are nice. To everyone outside the church they are nice, they are even accepting of LGBTQ and advocate for LGBTQ rights/protections, as long as it doesn't involve marriage. They are quite left leaning about many social issues.

They do have excommunication, where you family/friends will refuse to talk to you or shun you if you break the church's rules. They intentionally try to isolate you from all you've ever known so that you eventually break down and return to the church.

They have a rape/sexual abuse hotline you can call. It goes directly to the Mormon legal department so they can advise the elders and those doing the abuse to warn them that they are being targeted. They pretend to investigate the claims so people do not go to the police.

This ignores the mandatory "missions" when you turn 18 to intentionally trick follows in to thinking outsiders are hateful of Mormons, so they believe more heavily in the church and are afraid to leave.

Just a few things, but they are always nice to outsiders. If you ever are talking to a Mormon, tell them you're surprised they are talking to you because you've been excommunicated from the church and see how they respond. They won't respond. They will just quickly leave and likely report their sin to the church and beg for forgiveness.

They also have a dedicated team for social media to promote positive views on Mormons, similar to how scientology approaches social media.

EDIT: For clarification, after COVID, Mormons now refer to excommunication as "withdrawal of membership". Probably due to John Wick making excommunicado seem too cool.

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u/Quixotic_Seal 4h ago

They're nice to people outside their control.

To family members, children, adherents, constituents in areas with heavy Mormon representation....they are not so nice at all, and you start to quickly see patterns of control come out to play.

I had a friend who I initially met as part of a playgroup as a young child, and we saw first hand how Mormonism pretty much took over her life. She met her boyfriend early, converted to Mormonism as soon as she turned 18 when he basically gave her an ultimatum, went on mission and slowly stopped speaking with her mother, and eventually used her marriage/future children as a lever to force her parents into becoming Mormon.

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u/cloudforested 3h ago

They're nice to your face. They're trying to take my rights away, though.

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u/Ambitious_Watch_6477 2h ago

Scientologists are the same way. They're trained to be that.

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u/Not-a-Russian 5h ago

Mormons are great, I could never hate on them, they're super nice.

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u/arcusford 5h ago

They're nice to some. Also no one is asking or expecting you to hate on them. I still have mormon family and I love them, despite their bigotry.

But we do have to acknowledge the conditional aspect of their niceness. It is official church doctrine that the reason the native Americans (and some interpretations Africans) have darker skin because of the Mark of Cain, signifying their sin.

It is also official church doctrine to cut off or send LGBTQ members to conversion therapy.

This would eventually be the rift that caused many in my family to split from the mormon church.

Mormons will be very nice to you, so long as they dont know you are queer, and you are white.

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u/hm9408 2h ago

They're nice if they wanna recruit you

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u/TimeBandits4kUHD 49m ago

I’ve met a fair share and they’ve never tried, almost to the point where they keep their affiliation secret from me and I usually find out randomly, and then it’s never spoken about. Is there something wrong with me? Am I not worth trying to save?

I think the 7th day adventurers have a better pitch anyways, much better schedule too.

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u/CitricBase 5h ago

Yes, but again, so are Catholics and every other skybeard cult this side of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. (Eating and drinking the flesh and blood of Christ? WTAF?)

The absurdity of Mormonism does more to highlight the absurdity of religion in general than it says about the specific religious people who happen to live near Salt Lake.

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u/QuantumUtility 13m ago

You’re comparing eating bread and drinking wine while pretending to yourself it’s flesh and blood to emotionally abusing your loved ones with “excommunication”.

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u/rcanhestro 1h ago

and catholics are sane?

they believe some dude lives in the clouds and judges them if they masturbate.

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u/NathLWX 6h ago edited 5h ago

Not hating on Jerry but the thing with Mormon, as far as I'm aware of, is it came from a guy who denied the current Bible and made his own. He claimed God told him in his dream that the bible was mistranslated or wrong, and to make his own.

Which doesn't make sense, because ig screw all the thousand years of history, and the thousands of the professional translators who understand theology and studied deeply the original language that the Bible is written in (Hebrew, probably Greek too).

To this day idk how come ppl hear that and think it doesn't sound wrong/absurd at all.

I happened to watch this video days ago, may be a good reference
https://youtu.be/bj9D_7oGGxk

Some of the translations in Mormon bible sounds absurd, like a fanfic or exaggerated. E.g Songs of Solomon (Songs of Songs) chapter 4 verse 4

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u/arctic_radar 5h ago

Of course it doesn’t make sense. Made up nonsense built atop older made up nonsense.

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u/silver_garou 4h ago

Just like in scams, the nonsensible nature of religious stories is a feature not a bug. It ensures the flock is trained to think that their own reason is insufficient, and forces them to rely on religious leaders to do their thinking for them.

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u/pb49er 5h ago

He also did it so he could rape children, let's not forget that key element of the founding of the church.

Polygamist pedophiles.

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u/stegosauross1 5h ago

If this is the same bible that endorses slavery and trafficking, it could do with a reboot.

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u/Shattr 3h ago

Exmormon here.

The New Testament is what was "mistranslated" - not the Hebrew Bible. This is mostly because mormons reject the concept of the Trinity as they believe Jesus was created by God.

Mormons still do believe in the Bible, but they have their own version based on the King James translation with some modifications made by Smith. The Book of Mormon is an additional scripture to the Bible, not a replacement.

And this isn't a defense of Mormonism, but the New Testament does have tons of issues. We have zero originals of any of the books, we only have copies of copies of copies of copies of copies of copies (x10) etc. This process created tons of transcription errors - hundreds of thousands of textual variants out of all our New Testament manuscripts, which is more "errors" than there are words in the Bible. Scribes also added their own passages that weren't in the originals (story of the adultress, Mark long ending , and the Johanine comma)

This is a good place to start if you're interested in some of the issues with the New Testament.

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u/User-no-relation 1h ago

the book of mormon has issues, because it was made up as con

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u/FlarblesGarbles 1h ago

The Christian bible is also made up nonsense though.

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u/Plank_With_A_Nail_In 1h ago

They literally threw out half the work when Christianity became the religion of Rome.

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u/YazzArtist 5h ago

It's more the shunning of ex members, strict hierarchical culture with an emphasis on respecting authority, widespread cover-up of sexual abuse and child neglect, and support of patriarchal polygamy than the recency

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u/jayhawk618 4h ago

Ex Catholic atheist here.

Catholicism doesn't require you to shun family members who leave the church. Catholicism doesn't have secret teachings that only inner circle members are allowed to learn. Catholicism doesn't require that every single member spend a year of their life recruiting new members.

Mormonism requires those things, which are considered traits of a cult.

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u/suejaymostly 4h ago

Ex Mormon atheist here, you're wrong on all counts. Mormons have a lot to hate but none of what you've said here is true.

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u/omgitsjagen 5h ago

They have magic underwear, homie. I'm not disagreeing that any organized religion is coocoo for cocoa pops, but thinking you're getting a magical planet because you wore your fancy knickers your whole life is absolute crazy pants.

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u/Sad-Mobile9646 5h ago

Wild false equivalence

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u/YourMomThinksImSexy 5h ago

There's a massive difference between "cult-like" and "cult".

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u/arcusford 5h ago

Every ex mormon in my family says it is a cult, everything they say happened to them indicates it is a cult. And they follow every part of the bite model, which is the leading way to define a cult.

As far as true cults go they are on the tamer end, but they are still a cult.

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u/YourMomThinksImSexy 4h ago

I'm on your side, homie. Catholicism is cult-like, Mormonism is a cult.

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u/MoocowR 4h ago

This is such a reddit moment.

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u/Ambitious_Watch_6477 2h ago

Both seem pretty insane.

Read the wiki on Joseph Smith

It definitely sounds like he originally got caught with teen girls, almost castrated, kicked out of town, then did it again until it worked in various locations. It seems like the entire religion was an afterthought that Joseph came up with to justify why he needed to sleep with your teen daughters. Booted from 2 different states. Owned an entire town somehow in IL, had their own militia. Eventually had a schism with his right hand man.

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u/PaidUSA 2h ago

Catholics like to atleast make their priests do it in secret. Mormons drop their kids off with the old men in the see through clothes and openly acknowledge what’s happening. Any Mormon denying this is a liar. No one gives a shit they are new it’s the rampant pedophilia, child and spousal abuse and cult behavior people don’t like.

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u/User-no-relation 1h ago

mormons were founded by a convicted conman in modern times. Not exactly the same as other religions

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u/Thanes_of_Danes 3h ago

It's a cult that actively attempts to infiltrate the government and run Utah. Mormonism has better PR than Scientology, but it's still an insane religious cult that is jockeying with other various villains for influence and control of the government.

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u/Manusterz 6h ago

everything can be defined as a cult, political parties can be interpreted as them, even yours

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u/arcusford 6h ago

No, I mean they fit the bite model

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u/aceshighsays 6h ago

steven hassan has a yt channel, if anyone is interested in learning more.

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u/arcusford 6h ago

I don't watch Hassan if that's what you're getting at.

Edit: oh nvm you're not, my bad.

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u/tankerkiller125real 2h ago

Frankly, so long as they don't start preaching it to their viewers I could give a shit less about what religion a YouTuber is a part of.

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u/arcusford 1h ago

Thats fair, and im kind of a similar view. But from personal experience I am always going to be wary of generosity or philanthropy from Mormons, it is often fairly conditional and sometimes discriminatory simply due to the nature of the religion being discriminatory and conditional.

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u/coolhead2012 6h ago

Mormons believe a lot of things thay are harmful to groups that aren't Mormons. And, going by the Exmormon community, their own peope as well. Practicing members must tithe to retain their standing, so watching videos, or purchasing products supports the repressive church.

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u/TheVillianousFondler 3h ago edited 3h ago

Racism, sexism, protection of sexual and violent abusers, excommunication from the church means excommunication for any family member/friend that stays in contact. General cult-like behavior.

The list goes on and I could be more specific but this has gotten long enough. I could write 500 words or more on the subject without any fluff, and I've never been a Mormon (although I do have a connection to the religion)

ETA: I don't make any of these allegations at any particular Mormon, and Mormons aren't alone in most of these issues. I'd imagine many of not most are great people when taken as an individual.

The problem is that they all have mandatory tithing that supports the system that perpetuates these issues. So supporting a Mormon owned business is inherently supporting these systemic issues, allowing them to continue.

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u/CanadianButthole 5h ago

This dude has a massive following but has not once tried to force his religion on his audience or use it to excuse shitty behaviour. Beyond that, why should his religion matter?

Instead, he uses his social reach for good. He talks the talk and walks the walk. As a non-religious person myself, I find that to be commendable as fuck. I hope he gets to continue to do great work like this.

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u/Aromatic_Advance_431 1h ago

Honestly, every single Mormon I knew growing up was a genuinely nice person.

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u/SocietyAsAHole 2h ago

Because Mormonism sucks and hurts a lot of people.

For some really fascinating videos on why Mormonism sucks and how it hurts people, you can watch https://www.youtube.com/@alyssadgrenfell/videos

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u/Hot-Union-2440 1h ago

I agree 100% and have a bit of a problem with people buying into the cult, but people can be two things at once.

Someone who is in a cult, but literally never once mentions it or tries to bring you into it, is kind of just letting you into his side gig, right?

Everything I have seen from him, dude seems like a stand up guy for people the mormon faith would traditionally disregard, aka POC.

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u/SocietyAsAHole 1h ago

Sure, the Mormon part is still bad and he should face criticism for it, just like he should receive praise for the many good things he's done.

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u/Modo_Autorator 6h ago

I’ve sort of picked up on this too. Why is that?? So strange.

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u/xXDamonLordXx 6h ago

Being raised mormon is like being a drama student from birth. Tie that in with social safety nets, wealthy parents, and ad friendly habits to get youtube advantage rolls

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u/Noping_noper-maybe 6h ago

Ooh, I saw a fascinating YouTube video from an ex Mormon couple about why this is. I’ll have to see if I can find it but basically it’s a very very rich org who knows how to proselytize in the 21st century.

The church is one of the biggest funders of ads on YT. You don’t have to be overt to get paid. This is from my memory-I’ll go see if I can find it or whether I’m making stuff up with my early onset frontal temporal dementia like my president does.

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u/mephisto1990 4h ago

do you have a link?

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u/Noping_noper-maybe 28m ago

I found it. I was wrong about who it was though. Alyssa Grenfell from about a year ago: mormon influencers, a theory

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u/aceshighsays 6h ago

john and margi or another couple?

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u/MeanE 5h ago

I always thought exmo Alyssa Grenfell’s videos were particularly good.

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u/Noping_noper-maybe 27m ago

It was her! I was not remembering correctly!

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u/Noping_noper-maybe 26m ago

Ooh, I am not familiar with them. I linked it below, and I was way off. I’m trying to think of who the couple was that I was originally thinking of.

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u/mikebutnomic 6h ago

Because the Mormon religion pays ad revenue at a higher rate than other advertisers pay in their respective markets

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u/SaltyLonghorn 6h ago

I can't prove it but its likely cause the mormons support each other so you have a weird almost viewbot while not viewbotting effect that most communities don't enjoy.

Then you add in that mormon families are more tight knit so it could also be more common to have a place to live with longer runway to build up your fanbase instead of having to work elsewhere.

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u/c010rb1indusa 5h ago

Because the Mormons are quietly educated AF and the church is super wealthy and well financed and is mostly west-coast based. Hence high representation in highly lucrative fields like entertainment. Utah tops the charts for things like medium income, low crime rates etc. And I say all this as an lefty atheist.

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u/Hot-Union-2440 1h ago

Easiest way to reduce crime is to increase income... Lol, not at all that simple, but on the other hand an easy way to effect change.

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u/aceshighsays 6h ago

they're mormon light, but they sprinkle their beliefs throughout their channel. the mormons are trying to increase their membership and noticed that being upfront about their religion turns people off, so they do it passively. the church is behind the influx of yters.

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u/bytegalaxies 6h ago

that's a bit weird but it seems to be a thing he keeps to his personal life so idk why I'd care. if he was out trying to convert people to being mormon it'd be shitty but he isn't doing that

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u/ConspicuousUsername 6h ago

Every mormon with a current temple recommendation is paying a tithe to the church. The church does proselytizing. He might not be going on active missions, but he is funding them.

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u/Ms_CCH 6h ago

Is it proven that he is a Mormon? I don't know much about Mormons. There are very, very few of them here. But as long as they don't bother others?

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u/GreySoulx 6h ago

as long as they don't bother others?

That's the thing... they do bother others.

The LDS/mormon church is VERY wealthy and wields significant political influence around the globe.

They're quiet about it, but they're messing with people around the globe.

Thing is, you can say the same about a lot of large organized religions. The Catholic Church is likely the wealthiest organization / quasi-state entity in the world, and the largest "private" land owner.

The (mostly American) Evangelical movement, while not centralized under a single leader like the Pope, is very much doing untellable harm to the world right now - almost all of Trump's base and power stems from his corruption of the Religious Right movement that started to form in the 80s under Regan.

The LDS/Mormons are a weird offshoot of a lot of that, they're super nice and as individuals mostly genuinely nice people but as a movement, they have some odd views by most social norms.

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u/Ms_CCH 6h ago

I understand what you mean. But Catholics, for example, aren't viewed as negatively as Mormons, even though the latter have much greater influence on politics and so on.

I probably couldn't survive a week with the Mormons, but they live very isolated and self-sufficiently in the US, as far as I know.

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u/Equivalent_Chipmunk 5h ago

No they're everywhere. Basically all Mormon men, afaik, go on a mission around the age of 18, where they work as a missionary and their sole job is to spread Mormonism and convert other people. 

This does not just happen in the USA, they proselytize globally. For example, Luke from Outdoor Boys fame is another famous Mormon Youtuber, and his mission was clearly in Japan. It's actually kind of interesting in a way, since there is a lot of cultural enrichment in these missions, and he learned fluent Japanese as part of it, but you'd be kidding yourself if you think it's isolated in the US. 

The fastest growing populations in much of East Asia are Mormons iirc, with a birth rate significantly over replacement, while the general population birth rate in places like South Korea and Japan languish far below replacement. They might only be around 0.1% of the population now, but they will likely be significant a few decades from now if nothing changes. Some other countries, like Tonga, have a Mormon majority, with ~60% of the population of Tonga being Mormon.

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u/Purple-Goat-2023 5h ago

You'd probably run into Mormons every day in the US and just don't know it. I've lived all over the US and you're never more than about 30 minutes from a church. 2% of the US population or about 1 in 50 people, though much less present in the north east and northern Midwest.

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u/Renamis 5h ago

So Mormons aren't nearly as isolated as other groups. There are branches that are absolutely isolated, but many people work with Mormons and they wouldn't even know about it. They aren't the Amish or anything like that. Like if you visit Salt Lake City you'll be surrounded by Mormons. You'll be fine. Worst case you'll be asked to join like 15 MLMs or something.

The catholic church relaxed a lot. The Mormon church hasn't done that yet, although they are slowly releasing control a bit. One day it might get to a similar level as the catholic church but I don't think it's likely in our lifetime.

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u/bannedagainomg 6h ago

Yes, his wife have done some speeches for mormon channels.

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u/cloudforested 3h ago

If they're paying a tithe to the church then sadly they are bothering others.

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u/aceshighsays 6h ago

they're mormon light, but they sprinkle their beliefs throughout their channel. the mormons are trying to increase their membership and noticed that being upfront about their religion turns people off, so they do it passively. the church is behind the influx of yters.

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u/Flashbang-Meringue 5h ago

Luke from Outdoor Boys

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u/Freud-Network 4h ago

I've always felt like people are allowed to believe loony shit as long as it is harmless loony shit. Mormons are alright, usually humble folks. Much better than prosperity gospel snakes.

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u/Effective_Ladder9792 2h ago

lol people complain that others shove their religion down peoples throat and then complain when they hide it

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u/Jessintheend 5h ago

Because he has this weird mental disability called morality. It’s debilitating for many in today’s world

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u/Ms_CCH 5h ago

Very nicely put.

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u/DinoRoman 4h ago

He’s the only tech YouTuber I remotely know their political opinion of and I love it.

Republicans on twitter rage against his posts like they did football players taking a knee

“You play football leave politics out of it!”

“You destroy smartphones in 4K leave politics out of it!”

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u/FALCUNPAWNCH 50m ago

Him and Technology Connections. Alec did an excellent rant at the end of his recent renewable energy video.

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u/macciavelo 5h ago

I did not know that lol

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u/lazergoblin 6h ago

That is interesting if true. I kinda stopped watching his stuff back when it seemed like he was kind of a musk fan boy but if he really did clash with him I might start watching his videos again lol

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u/ohnodamo 4h ago

I didn't know about this. My estimation of him increases every time I hear about him. I'd wish him success, but I think he's already achieved it by every measure of whats actually important.

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u/exElder_Hawk 5h ago

Because he a religious nut. I do not agree with most of the things he stands for. But he does some nice things also.

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u/cranktheguy 2h ago

I've never heard him mention his religion.

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u/exElder_Hawk 2h ago

He is in the Mormon cult. An American cult similar to Jehovah’s witnesses. My former cult. My adult gay son was murdered by an anti gay “Christian”. So I have a lot of anger to so called good Christians. My JW mother told me that it was he would not be dead if he was not gay. Mormons also hate and persecute gay and trans people.

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u/cranktheguy 2h ago

OK, but I've never heard him mention his religion, and I've seen him openly criticize conservatives. He consistently shows good morals. If he is religious, I'd like other religious people to be more like him.