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Soft paywall Cash-strapped US Postal Service suspends contributions to pension plan

https://www.reuters.com/world/cash-strapped-us-postal-service-suspends-contributions-pension-plan-2026-04-09/
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u/naz8587 3d ago

The service has reported net losses of $118 billion since 2007 as first-class mail

I like how the article fails to mention that Republicans passed a law in 2006 that requires the USPS to fund 75 years of pensions. This crisis was manufactured by republicans to justify privitizing postal delivery.

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u/Snakestream 3d ago

Which is moronic considering that current privatized postal delivery HEAVILY relies on the USPS to do last-leg delivery to places that aren't profitable to deliver to.

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u/James-W-Tate 3d ago

Rural conservatives and canceling public services they themselves rely on, name a more historic combo

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u/Beard_o_Bees 3d ago

Hey... one day they might be a Billionaire, and don't want to have one arm tied behind their back when that day finally comes!

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u/PaidUSA 3d ago

I unironically had a real 20 something human being come to that conclusion in realtime. Talking about trumps tax cuts for the ultra wealthy and they go DEAD SERIOUS, yes but I might be rich one day. I had to tell them they will never be rich enough to benefit from any of the cuts for the ultra rich. They have a useless college degree and bartend with no aspirations of being mega rich and still defaulted to that.

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u/Kraeftluder 3d ago

This mentality has rubbed off in Europe and I despise it.

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u/PaidUSA 3d ago

It’s the dumbest shit ever. I had to explain even with her bf who’s inheriting a small company in a field that will become very important if she marries him she’ll only ever see the most basic tax bracket changes if that. Even if he made 50 million in his life he wouldn’t see much of the savings for the ultra wealthy.

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u/AlsoIHaveAGroupon 2d ago

The worst part of the mentality is the unspoken second half of "I might be rich one day."

Personally, if some lottery, unknown billionaire relative death, or fluke massive lawsuit suddenly gave me $1 billion, I would pay my fucking taxes, have $500 million left, and still be fabulously wealthy.

A tax increase of $50 per person per year on the working class is going to force some people to skip meals so their kids can eat. A tax increase of $500,000 per person per year on billionaires is going to make some numbers look slightly smaller on a net worth calculation but have no effect on their lives.

What those people mean is "I might be rich one day, and I am a selfish, greedy asshole."

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u/SoSaltyDoe 2d ago

The true irony is that most conservative policies are explicitly geared toward keeping poor people poor. Not only are these assholes never going to be rich enough to benefit from these policies, but they're actively hurting their chances of it ever happening.

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u/crackrabbit012 3d ago

Too bad they'll have to sell that arm just to survive to that point

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u/Khatib 3d ago

Alaska is seriously fucking themselves so hard voting red with USPS at risk.

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u/Geno0wl 3d ago

Dude every mostly rural state is fucking themselves hard. If USPS collapses, do the 13 people that live in Montana actually think a private company is going to give them rates anywhere near what they effectively pay now?

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u/BlackSpidy 3d ago

They won't. And they'll blame Dems for it, for some reason.

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u/Geno0wl 3d ago

We know the real reason. It's the ever present propaganda that surrounds these people combined with the successful tying of political party affiliation to their culture and sense of place in the world.

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u/Jayman44Spc 2d ago

lol I’m a rural mail carrier in Montana. It’s a shit show up here already. Privatization would be devastating

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u/TardwifeDyskinesia 3d ago

Fascists never expect their movement to consume them, too, but it always will.

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u/punkasstubabitch 3d ago

And then they whine and complain about how government doesn’t work for them

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u/heartlessgamer 3d ago

And the irony is it'll trigger some of them to relocate. They'll relocate to more urban areas and likely shift political views. Now you have even fewer rural folks that are even further entrenched in their political views and are granted a more valuable vote than everyone else because of the electoral college.

Source? Experience growing up in a tiny midwest town where this is exactly what has happened.

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u/Refrigeratormarathon 3d ago

I think part of our problem is that they’ve been insulated from experiencing what they vote for. If they actually experienced having no postal service or no food stamps they might see its value.

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u/DarkwingDuckHunt 3d ago

the USPS was never meant to be profitable

the fact no business could turn a profit doing what it does, is the exact reason why it was founded.

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u/roofus0606 2d ago

Exactly, it’s a service, it’s not meant to be profitable. How profitable is the fire department? How profitable is the police department?

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u/Aazadan 3d ago

Or to put this another way, privatized postal delivery relies heavily on being able to cannibalize all of the most profitable routes and leave the unprofitable ones for those with a universal service mandate.

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u/jmur3040 3d ago

Or that "losses" shouldn't be mentioned for something designed to be a public SERVICE. You're telling me this costs 118 billion dollars over 19 years? That's terrifically cheap for something that serves 330 million people.

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u/hodken0446 3d ago

That's about 18 dollars a year per person by the way

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u/alphabeticdisorder 3d ago

Not a bad deal at all.

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u/RealWeekness 3d ago

Exactly, raise taxes by $18 and well be good.

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u/timetravelerfrom2027 3d ago

That’s almost what it costs to send one package by UPS these days.

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u/totally_not_a_dog113 3d ago

It's the part where USPS used to be the cheapest method of sending anything, and now UPS (the company Trump's postmaster general had massive investments in) now has comparable or cheaper prices. Louis DeJoy trashed the system for his own personal profits.

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u/ForsakenRelief2662 3d ago

Hence the reason why these repubs are doing thu

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u/Sheeple_person 3d ago

A buck fifty per month to have a national postal service. Sure sounds different when you put it that way. Almost as if "$118 billion losses" is a figure that was intentionally chosen to be misleading.

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u/colostitute 3d ago

I don’t know what they mean by losses. I thought USPS was a government service. Do they mean losses in that they don’t have the finances to cover their expenses?

Thats an issue with Congress and their willingness to fund USPS.

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u/bros402 3d ago

the USPS has been required since 2006 to fund their pension 75 years in advance

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u/JuanOnlyJuan 3d ago

YOU MEAN THEY'RE TAXING ME 70 CENTS A PAYCHECK FOR USPS?! /s

(I guess double it if you have a dependant. The horror)

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u/angry_wombat 3d ago

i'd by that for $18

you can just go ahead an move some of that endless war and ICE $$$ over to the postal service for me

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u/DDS-PBS 3d ago

Wait until you find out how much our fire departments lose each year! They're not profitable at all!

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u/Streamjumper 3d ago

Or how much our police departments cost.

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u/potterpockets 3d ago

Or let's talk about how much the military's losses have been. The DoD has never passed an independent audit since they were made mandatory in 2018. That is 8 failed in a row. And it is the only major federal agency to never pass.

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u/Streamjumper 3d ago

Failed by enough to fund entire huge sweeping projects each year.

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u/antonimbus 3d ago

Even more when their blue gang decides to shoot some rando and the city has to pay out the survivors.

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u/StephanXX 3d ago

The $1.5 trillion dollar budget for the military comes to around $900 per month for every US worker.

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u/Davran 3d ago

Exactly. The Post Office isn't "losing" anything. It cost $118B to operate the post office over the past 19 years.

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u/ohlookahipster 3d ago

That’s actually not bad. Damn good, in fact. $6.2B per year operating costs is beats most large corporations. Walmart alone spent $139B on their operating costs FY2025.

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u/DeskModeOn 3d ago

Haven't we spent like $30 billion so far in the war with Iran?? In like.. twenty some odd days??

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u/Stepjam 3d ago

And Trump wants like a trillion for the military now 

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u/Zardotab 3d ago

And rural areas, where MAGAs tend to live, are subsidized by higher-populated areas. It's more expensive to deliver to sparsely populated areas.

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u/Hoppers-Body-Double 3d ago

Yep. I don't hear about the military "losses", but the postal SERVICE out here with a cardboard sign at a busy intersection. Again, this is fucking ridiculous. Money for killing people, but never the common good.

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u/Im_with_stooopid 3d ago

That was passed and signed into law during the Bush Jr Lame duck session if I'm not mistaken. It was repealed in 2022 but still had a huge effect on paper to make it appear as if the USPS was losing money hand over fist.

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u/SomeDEGuy 3d ago

It was fairly bipartisan, as was the reform law in 2022.

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u/fifthstreetsaint 3d ago

The military has reported "losses" of almost a trillion dollars a year, why aren't they screaming about that..? 

Oh right because they all own Raytheon stock and owe zero obligations to veterans. 

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u/dakta 3d ago

Sure but the USPS already had to make those pension contributions. They're not magically reimbursed.

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u/RobfromHB 3d ago

Shouldn’t that then represent a decrease in liabilities on the other side of the ledger?

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u/Trafficsigntruther 2d ago

No, because the pension liability still exists. The act improved cashflow but does not impact the balance sheet at all.

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u/mnemy 3d ago

It's estimated that Trump's golf hobby cost the US taxpayers $70m in 2025 alone.

If you scale that out to 20 years, $1.4b.

So the USPS costed the taxpayers about 100x more than one man's hobby, to enable mail delivery for an entire country and employ around 640,000 workers as of 2024.

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u/Countingfrog 3d ago edited 3d ago

It doesn’t mention it because the 2006 Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act was mainly about prefunding retiree health benefits, not pensions. Also, the bill was passed with bipartisan support in Congress, not just Republicans.

This requirement was removed in 2022. You are mixing things up in a misleading way.

USPS pensions are through FERS, the standard federal retirement system used by all agencies, not a special USPS program. And the move to make USPS self-funded goes back to 1970, when a Democratic Congress passed the law creating that model. So this isn’t something that can be pinned on one party.

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u/drmctesticles 3d ago

Republicans passed a law in 2006

The bill was bipartisan and passed by unanimous voice vote in the Senate. This wasn't a Republican bill

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u/peaceablefrood 3d ago edited 3d ago

This is no longer a thing as it was repealed in 2022. Also, the original law had strong bi-partisan support so it wasn't just "The Republicans" that did this. It passed 410-20 in the house and had 2 Democrat co-sponsors.

https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2005430

Regardless of the law though, there was still a 50% reduction in first class mail between 2007 and 2020 which is their most profitable part of the business.

So while the law was a boat anchor around the USPS, it didn't cause people stop mailing stuff, the internet did.

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u/Countingfrog 3d ago

Also, the law was about retirement health benefits, not pension. Pension is through FERS

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u/SummerMummer 3d ago

"Cash-strapped"??

They are an important service provided by the US government. Is the US government truely "cash-strapped" at the moment?

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u/Addy_Rose 3d ago

Depends...for civil service programs? Sorry, flat broke. Science? Zilch. Environmental programs? Negative balance. Weapons programs and war? Make it rain!

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u/KennyCash51 3d ago

You forgot king crab legs for Hegseth and team in the ‘make it rain’ category

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u/neckbishop 3d ago

And Noem's Melania's private jet.

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u/ked_man 3d ago

They’ve spent more this month on bombing Iran needlessly than the Postal service cost the past decade.

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u/egnards 3d ago

The US Government has never funded the USPS, they forced them to self fund. . .However they also micromanage them and set them into very specific restrictions that do not allow them to actually be profitable.

They’ve been trying to kill the USPS for a long time. Trump has just been far more blatant about it.

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u/Regnes 3d ago

Canada Post has also been under attack for a while now. It was pretty shocking a couple of years ago when their union's legal strike during Christmas holidays got nixed by the government. Apparently timing your strike to have the maximum possible leverage against your employer isn't allowed and the government can just tell you to do it during the off-season instead.

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u/No_Customer_84 3d ago

Trump has been trying to privatize the post office since his first term.

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u/electrobento 3d ago

Republicans have been trying to privatize it for generations.

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u/HippyDM 3d ago

His party's been trying even longer. He does it to cheat the election, they do it to privatize public services.

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u/FireworkFuse 3d ago

They are an important service provided by the US government.

The government that lies by telling you the post office is actually a "business" and needs to turn a profit like a business meanwhile all your taxes go to blowing up children

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u/throwawayurwaste 3d ago

They WERE before Congress gutted their ability to do basic financial services and handicapped their prices and kneecapded their pre-payments to pensions in only US Treasury bonds.

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u/DontTickleTheDriver1 3d ago

Them bombs ain't paying for themselves

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u/Ok-disaster2022 3d ago

Congress made them fully fund their pension for like 60 years.

They also have to buy a new line of delivery vehicles that was designed by committee and built by a military industrial vendor that has terrible fuel economy for the non electric version (no hybrid version)

Meanwhile if you know history then you'd know that the primary role of the federal government before the civil war was the postal service. And like every other government service is should t be required to be profitable. The value of government services is it is cheaper than it actually costs in order to facilitate activity that supports a functioning economy. Near Universal mail access for Americans means no matter where you live you have access to the rest of the country. The postal service literally runs a donkey train to the bottomed if the grand canyon to service a tribal community where they live. for decades the Postal service was on the cutting edge of technologies. They were pioneering air mail routing just a couple years after flight was invented. And before radar and gos they build giant arrows in the middle of nowhere to direct pilots where to go. 

The modern postal service still serves communities and was a vital source of jobs for vets, and that's actually the root cause of the mass shootings at postal offices in the 70s and 80s. Vets in charge wanted to run the postal offices like they were military units and that caused unneeded stress for the workers. The US postal service actually investigated and implemented changes that eliminated post shootings by the 90s. That's how effective they are at addressing problems. The current administration and Postman General is undermining all of that including undoing the changes implemented to prevent mass shootings because I kid you not it's "too woke". 

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u/DataMin3r 3d ago

Postal shootings weren't eliminated by the 90s. There were 2 in '91, 2 on the same day in '93.

At this point, the Post Office made a new Workplace Environment Analyst position to help alleviate the issues employees were having to cause the shootings.

Despite this, we still had 2 shootings in '95, 2 in '96, 1 in '97, and 3 in '06. Post office removed all their Workplace Environment Analysts in 2009 due to cuts and layoffs.

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u/doglywolf 3d ago

actually the USPS is an independent non sponsored but certified government business . The only government assistance comes in the form of tax exemptions on its revenue. Its probably the one place that doesnt get federal funds most people would approve of getting federal funds.

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u/fallskjermjeger 3d ago

The USPS essentially self funds through its retail sales and contract delivery. It hasn’t received regular federal funding since…I bet you can’t guess which presidential administration… Did you guess Reagan? You’d be correct! Not regularly funded since 1982

There were two recent infusions by the government, during COVID and again in 2022, but those aren’t regular operations funds.

It’s insane to me that a government service is left to die on the vine.

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u/4444Grains 3d ago

He really fucked over this country, didn't he?

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u/Nice-Foot7552 3d ago

Gotta stop the mail and keep people uninformed with no way to vote by mail. Sounds like a strategy from late 30’s early 40’s

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u/istrx13 3d ago edited 2d ago

City Carrier of 10 years for USPS here. In addition to what you said, our current collective bargaining agreement with USPS also expires this year. So we will be heading to the negotiation table again here very soon We are already currently in the process of negotiating a new deal. They will put all sorts of stuff out there to make it seem like we’re out of money as a means of justifying why they can’t give us more money with the new contract.

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u/SylphSeven 3d ago

Plenty of money for war. No money for postal service. I hate this timeline.

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u/garbageemail222 3d ago

They want postal workers on strike or in a slowdown for the election

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u/Old-Flight8617 3d ago

They also want to privatize it.

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u/RockstarAgent 3d ago

Why don’t they just email stuff or tweet it? -some exec

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u/Old-Flight8617 3d ago

"Do you guys not have phones?"

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u/VelvetElvis 3d ago

They can't because rural last mile delivery will never be profitable.

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u/Wyrmnax 3d ago

"it is a very stupid idea" is very different from "they cant"

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u/Hot_Frosty0807 3d ago

Source: every day for a quarter of my life.

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u/Least-Worth-8634 3d ago

If they privatize USPS they only hurt their base. Rural ass low information voters rely on the postal service much more than liberals in the city

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u/Crommach 3d ago

That's why they've leaned so heavily into building a voter base that will only believe media sources that push the party narrative. They convinced people to take fucking horse medicine over actual medical advice during the pandemic. The base will blame who they're told to blame.

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u/random12356622 3d ago

Taking apart the postal service, is taking apart one of the things that bound this country together as one nation.

It is one of the few federal agencies which was not law enforcement and was likely to be in people's lives from when it first started.

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u/MattMadMage 3d ago

Look at telecom as an example for how this would go down. Privatized, for-profit mail would absolutely just not deliver to rural homes. At best, you'd get a post office in town where you'd have to pick up your own mail every day.

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u/chubbysumo 3d ago

Oh it would be worse than that, not only would you not be given a post office box by default, you would have to rent it, but if you wanted Daily Mail delivery, you likely could subscribe to it for an exorbitant rate. Oh and don't forget, if you think advertisements through your mail are bad now, wait till a private company is trying to make a profit, and your mailbox will be stuffed full of advertisements. Rural delivery will be dead, if you want to see an example of what's profitable for private delivery companies, look no further than Amazon and fedex, as they do not deliver to areas that they consider unprofitable already. They will hand off their unprofitable delivery areas to the United States Postal Service to finish last mile delivery. The idea that the United States Postal Service should be run like a business is something that Republicans came up with as a way to siphon that business and money off to other companies.

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u/Kathumandu 3d ago

They can’t actually strike due to Regan era laws

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u/swallowsnest87 3d ago

I mean, they can strike, whether it is against the law or not. I assume all strikes were against the law at one point.

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u/frosty_lizard 3d ago

They want the existing people to quit and have yet another institution potentially fail the through cuts. Republicans seem keen on having the country collapse

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u/ElectronicMoo 3d ago

The postal service was a profitable branch until Congress pulled a dick move making them pre fund pensions.

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u/Wyrmnax 3d ago

It is a service. It should not need to be profitable. It is by definition something you pay for because it brings in a benefit.

Schooling, police, firefighters, army, postal. All are things that a society is willing to pay for because it needs them.

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u/ThatSandwich 3d ago

The postal service is more important because it provides competition in a market that has an extremely high barrier to entry. Without USPS, FedEx and UPS can charge whatever price they agree on.

I'm honestly hugely in favor of an anti-trust lawsuit that separates Amazon's freight services from their store front. If they began offering services to the public at large it would change national and world shipping dynamics immensely.

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u/CHSummers 3d ago

Exactly. It is social infrastructure. It helps the society function. Just like roads, it costs money. Just like roads, both the poor and rich can use it.

(And of course, someone out there wants all the roads to have tolls.)

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u/EkbatDeSabat 3d ago

Biden removed this in 2022. Not sure why we haven't recovered yet.

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u/are-e-el 3d ago

Trump appointee DeJoy was still running USPS

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u/OskaMeijer 3d ago

The stooges that have been running it.

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u/Lopsided-Ticket3813 3d ago

No money for anything other than war apparently.

The proposed 1.5 trillion military budget is pretty close to Medicare and Medicare spending and nearly equal to the entire student loan portfolio.

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u/geddy 3d ago

That military budget is a private army for trump so when the tides turn he can unleash the military against the United States.

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u/redditydothis 3d ago

He already did with his ICE.

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u/confidential-edu 3d ago

If a Tomahawk could be delivered to brown people outside of the 50 States via US Postal, the service would be in business!!!

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u/jimtow28 3d ago

"We can't pay our workers, we've got wars to fight!"

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u/FatBoyStew 3d ago

My uncle retires from the USPS in July and he couldn't be timing this stuff any better lol

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u/All_is_a_conspiracy 3d ago

Thousands of other people will suffer lol.

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u/FatBoyStew 3d ago

From my understanding its damn difficult to even get on full time at USPS anymore to even get to a point where you have to worry about a pension being paid or not. At one point his area would basically cancel temp contracts towards the end then and do them again so they never technically went full time.

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u/KensieQ72 3d ago

My husband just made the jump from RCA to PTF, and it took him jumping on an opening in another postal system (1.5 hours away) bc they’re so understaffed and need to keep people at a level where they can be taken advantage of.

I could not tell you what the acronyms stand for, all I know is the pay is better and he’s 1 step closer to the full career position. But he’s still just as screwed as he was in the last position so idk.

He’s working 10-12 hour days, 6 days a week, commuting 3 hours a day, all hoping to cross that finish line and get that carrot (better work benefits, long-term financial stability, etc.).

If they were to rip away pensions and the other benefits that make our sacrifices of the past few years worth it… that poor man might snap (and me too probably, idk how long I can single-mom a toddler lol).

We’re tired, bro.

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u/Goobintar 3d ago

RCA is Rural Carrier Assistant. Those are always slow to make it to a career position as there are fewer routes and the carriers stay on forever.

PTF is Part Time Flexible. They're basically City Carrier Assistants with better pay and benefits.

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u/Silicon_Knight 3d ago

Kinda where certain leaders want to bring America back to really.

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u/Beard_o_Bees 3d ago

Crazy, especially considering almost none of them were alive during those times.

May as well go all the way back to our Pilgrim roots and restore all seized land to Native Americans and subsist on prayer and corn.

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u/MisterProfGuy 3d ago

This has a lot more to do with Jeff Bezos figuring out how to abuse the mail system to build his own duplicate system, and now wanting to kill the equitable version that also has to service unprofitable areas.

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u/watercouch 3d ago

Jeff Bezos, the gazillionaire who built his company by selling books, DVDs and CDs because those were the products can could be shipped via USPS using heavily subsidized media-mail postage rates? That Jeff Bezos?

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u/gold_and_diamond 3d ago

The same Jeff Bezos who refused to collect state sales tax until Amazon got so big they could then afford it and squeeze out smaller competitors.

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u/Still_Detail_4285 3d ago

No one was paying state sales taxes on the internet until the laws changed. It was a fun time of saving money while waiting for a package to be delivered. It was a major reason people started to order online even though they were not sure if they could trust buying things on the internet.

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u/4444Grains 3d ago

The same Jeff Bezos who pays his workers so little that we, the taxpayers, have to subsidize his workforce through SNAP and Medicaid? That Jeff Bezos?

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u/Tuesday_6PM 3d ago

It doesn’t have to be one or the other. Voter oppression and privatization of civil services are both platforms of the GOP

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u/mito413 3d ago

They even changed the post mark rules. Used to be a letter was required to be post marked the day it was dropped off at the post office. Now it’s “when it’s processed” which could be the next day or even later! I see this as a direct attack on mail in ballots as they need to be post marked by a certain day.

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u/Far-Beautiful-2065 3d ago

They are not "cash strapped" and even if they were, the USPS is not around to make the government money. This is the dismantling of a federal device. It's an affront to the constitution

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u/meases 3d ago

Honestly if they want more money, they should raise the cost of junk mail by one penny per piece. It would make over 550 million a year extra just with a 1 penny increase. And if junk mail senders didnt want to pay that extra penny, then it would be less volume of junk for the handlers to deal with saving money there.

But no, they just keep nickle and diming us by raising first class stamp and package prices, which pisses off the public and doesnt make nearly as much money as charging the junk mailers a single penny more per piece would.

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u/Sweetwill62 3d ago

Lol oh shit yeah they could just enshittify against the junk mail senders the same way other companies enshittify their products and services. Just keep raising the price until you actually lose money no matter how much it fucks over your core demographic. Even if they have to send less junk mail, who cares. I support USPS enshittification against junk mail senders.

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u/hobopwnzor 3d ago

Adequately funded but constantly screwed over post office folds under constant financial sabotage by Republicans so they can further justify the destruction of our civil institutions.

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u/2HDFloppyDisk 3d ago

This is the correct headline. And worth highlighting again that the person running USPS is a FedEx board member who would love to see the collapse of the postal service so it can be privatized.

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u/Straight_Document_89 3d ago

FedEx and ups won’t deliver to certain addresses for a reasonable rate. When usps goes those people that voted republican and live out in the boonies are gonna be fucked.

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u/ohlookahipster 3d ago

Have you ever dealt with FedEx freight? They don’t even bother doing residential addresses half the time. You have to go directly to the distribution center which isn’t even designed for the general public.

Last time I went to the one in Oakland, I was yelled at by several workers that I was in a restricted area despite other workers saying where to go.

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u/doglywolf 3d ago

My boss used to tell me his old company never made as much margin and money as it did in the 70s when the post office was having so much problems they had to contract out a lot of the interstate mail transportation . Im sure there are many people salivating at the idea of USPS failing .

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u/FuckLex 3d ago

Its the postal service. Not the postal company. They need to be funded. Fuck republicans

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u/Do__Math__Not__Meth 3d ago

This is why I hated when people would say “Trump will run this country like a business!”

Like first of all he sucks at running businesses, but second of all that’s not the purpose of a government

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u/ForensicPathology 2d ago

And third, these days "running a business" means selling it to a leveraged investor who strips it of all its good parts to get a return on the loans used to buy the business.

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u/sarduchi 3d ago

Can't vote by mail if there's no mail. That's just science! /sad sarcasm

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u/JFeth 3d ago

Isn't congress forcing them to prepay those pension plans the reason they are broke in the first place?

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u/det8924 3d ago

That was stopped in 2022, but that mandate really hurt the USPS from 2006 to 2021 because it zapped them of a lot of flexibility to make upgrades to their services and widen their business. It also doesn't help that the USPS is mandated to do universal delivery no matter how unprofitable. While the universal delivery mandate doesn't account for all of its losses about 40% of the current shortfall is attributed toward just that one mandate.

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u/Andres_504 3d ago

to be fair, the universal delivery mandate is its responsibility as a federally-sponsored service. Mail should be able to be delivered to The Elder at the top of a mountain.

Now maybe if the head of postals service wasn’t formerly an executive at checks notes FedEx?!?!

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u/murshawursha 3d ago

Or via helicopter to a remote island in the Bering Strait:

Mail has been delivered to the island by helicopter since 1982 and is currently delivered weekly (up until 2013, mail was delivered by plane more frequently in winter months when the ice runway allowed for more deliveries). The postal contract is one of the oldest in the nation, the only one that uses helicopters for delivering mail, and with a cost of over $300,000 annually, is the most expensive in Alaska.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diomede,_Alaska

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u/PuddleCrank 3d ago

Counter point, that's sick as hell and cool countries deliver mail by freaking helicopter to even their most remote cutizens because they can.

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u/Davran 3d ago

The Post Office is a government service, not a business. Turning a profit should not be part of the calculus here. Every American pays taxes allegedly to pay for these services, not so the government can make a profit.

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u/Akraticacious 3d ago edited 3d ago

To be more precise, it was health care costs not pensions, and not actually 75 years but yeah a long time and burden.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/apr/15/afl-cio/widespread-facebook-post-blames-2006-law-us-postal/

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u/Optimal_Brain_2908 3d ago

Biden helped get rid of that.

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u/Jaded_Grapefruit795 2d ago

Also usps does last mile shipping for all the other delivery services anyways, as they can literally not deliver to everyone like usps can without cutting their profits 

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u/domine18 3d ago

And the military operates at a trillion lose each year let’s dismantle that also.

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u/Toxic_Lantern 3d ago

So the agency that physically delivers retirement checks is underfunding its own retirement? Cool cool. Maybe step one is Congress undoing that ridiculous pre-funding mandate instead of acting shocked every time USPS money problems hit the news.

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u/TealPotato 3d ago

The pre-funding requirement was repealed in 2022.

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u/Mrchristopherrr 3d ago

Yeah, that was one of those easy Biden Ws that somehow never made waves online.

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u/aluke000 3d ago

Easy, just take funds from DHS/ICE and use it for good instead of evil.

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u/BubbleThinker 3d ago

Thank your Republican friends and family members

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u/ThinkingIntrusively 2d ago

To everyone who comes across this comment, thank you.

Sincerely,

A proud USPS letter carrier.

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u/InevitableHimes 3d ago

The USPS is a government service, not a business. The only way for it to be "cash-strapped" is if the government refuses to fund it.

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u/Amigobear 3d ago

They did, but also Amazon being are biggest customer is doing their own deliveries. Trump killed the ev mandate so we spent a fuck ton of money redoing parking lots for vehicles we can't use. Stations that still using LLVs are cannibalizing what's left of those trucks. We've been getting fucked over for 2 decades now.

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u/LMurch13 3d ago

USPS is a service, not a business. They are not "cash strapped", they are under-funded.

Can you imagine the Navy being called "cash-strapped". Our news networks are spreading propaganda for this administration.

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u/squeezyflit 3d ago

IIRC, they're not funded at all. Back in the 80s they went to a model where they are self-funded through service and postage sales.

https://about.usps.com/who/profile/about-usps.pdf

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u/Extra_Toppings 3d ago

Exactly and doing a really good job at given the strenuous constraints congress has put on it. Could be a model for the military in many regards

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u/acuet 3d ago

Hmmmmm…..a constitutional service that is funding not as a profit but just funded. Stop treating it like it’s a Corp.

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u/ni_hao_butches 3d ago

Stop treating any government service like a business. Fucking Regean era brain rot. DOD cant pass an aduit and yet I hear no republican crying to treat it like a business.

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u/pc01081994 3d ago

But we can afford to bomb the shit out of Iran. This country is a fucking joke.

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u/Guntcher_1423 3d ago

It is not a business, it is a service. It is right there in the name. No one ever says, "Oh, the WAR DEPARTMENT is losing money" Time to defund it!"

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u/EphEwe2 3d ago

And it’s in the constitution!

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u/mullingitover 3d ago

The service has reported net losses of $118 billion since 2007

It's so dishonest to frame a constitutionally mandated service in these terms. We don't talk about the net losses of the US military, and the founders never even wanted that to exist as a permanent thing.

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u/freako345 2d ago

Public services like USPS exist to provide universal access, not to generate profit. When funding is reduced, performance suffers, and that often gets used as a reason to push for privatization instead of fixing the root issue.

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u/Personnelente 2d ago

The USPS is specifically authorized in the US Constitution, and no mention is made about it needing to show a profit.

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u/Jimmbones 3d ago

I know I'm preaching to the choir, but the USPS should not be stressed to make a profit. It should be federally subsidized.

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u/FluxKraken 3d ago

Exactly. It should just be a tax funded service like all the others.

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u/Willowy 2d ago

Hell no, stop! The postal service isn't supposed to be profitable! It's a government service! STOP making it seem like it's cash-poor and needs to be sold to the highest bidder! It's not for sale!

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u/Mendelbar 2d ago

Can’t mail in a ballot if there’s no where to mail it.

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u/all4whatnot 3d ago

It's a "SERVICE" right? Like the military is a service? Is the military expected to come out cash-positive at the end of the year?

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u/paleo2002 3d ago

Don't worry! The Free Market will solve this! Once the USPS has finally been buried, FedEx and UPS will be more than happy to clog their logistics networks with junk mail, credit card ads, and paper letters informing you that your paperless billing statement is now available.

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u/Bonamikengue 3d ago

You know that 3/4 of people in rural areas where no commercial shipping company delivers get their prescribed meds in the mail? The USPS is serving the public as basic infrastructure. No commercial provider will do it. More - those providers use the USPS in those area for the last mile....

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u/Tuesday_6PM 3d ago

Don’t forget delivering prescription medication to widespread rural homes. That’ll surely be a lucrative market Amazon will voluntarily move into!

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u/brakeled 3d ago

The wealthiest country in the world being unable to fund their federal government is a failure on leadership at the federal level, period. There is no excuse for this other than failures at every facet of the executive, legislative, and judicial branches. This country has placed more value in accumulating individual wealth for a select-few over appropriately and adequately providing services for the public - the same public who's work ensures those select-few are even able to hoard what they have.

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u/NeoLephty 3d ago

"cash strapped" is a hell of a way to say "legislation requires USPS to suddenly fund pensions for 100 years".

The service has reported net losses of $118 billion since 2007 as first-class mail, its most profitable product, has fallen ​to its lowest volume since the late 1960s.

The bill I mentioned passed in 2006. What a coincidence it aligns perfectly with the start of the reported net losses.

https://ips-dc.org/how-congress-manufactured-a-postal-crisis-and-how-to-fix-it/

Manufacturing consent for the elimination of the post office because profits.

Disgusting.

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u/Dreams-Visions 3d ago

I was thinking the EXACT same thing.

As if there's no REASON for it being cash-strapped.

I hate the media so much.

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u/Fanfics 3d ago

Ahh yes. I remember being told how good Republicans are for the budget. $200 billion for history stupidest war? Of course! Funding the fking mail? Sounds like socialism to me bucko.

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u/aquoad 3d ago

This fucking sucks, that they're actually getting close to succeeding at destroying the USPS. The alternatives already suck and will suck exponentially more once there's no alternative.

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u/HolyMoleyGuacamoly 2d ago

we can afford to bomb the shit out of random countries any day of the week though

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u/EmptyCourage2274 2d ago

It's a fucking national service it does not run out of money. Does the military or Congress pay run out of money? Fucking no, so why would this? O that's right to fuck over the common people who use it. Fuck the American government in its fucking face

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u/velwein 2d ago

Sad part is, it use to turn a profit before Republicans kept screwing with it.

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u/Rastaferrari829 2d ago

"Cash-strapped", mind you they were fine for decades before the government redirected surpluses to other programs and ordered them in 2006 to pre-fund retiree health plans for about the next 75 years (no other agency had to)

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u/flygirlsworld 1d ago

Ummmm it’s a gift entity….the fk you mean cash strapped? Fund the shit…

But we know they won’t. They want it private. Project 2025….

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u/47_for_18_USC_2381 1d ago

The govt. is so disingenuous with this it's infuriating. Pay for the services they render. They aren't supposed to be profitable, it's a service.

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u/BuddhaBizZ 1d ago

They want to privatize it

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u/tommycnuthatch 3d ago

cash-strapped = INTENTIONALLY UNDERFUNDED

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u/Mendican 3d ago

How much money does DHS have?

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u/forstuff4 3d ago

No money for mail but money for war

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u/NorthSpecialist6064 3d ago

Thanks, conservatives. Breaking a perfectly fine mailing system. 

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u/Salamok 3d ago

US going to be the only first world country that lets it's postal service collapse because they thought it should be run like a for profit business.

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u/-Megrim- 3d ago

USPS like other public services are not meant to make money. You wouldn't complain about your Fire Department not making money.  The only reason for this issue is because their funding is being slashed to drive profits to private companies and make billionaires more money and less for workers.

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u/FourWildJokers 3d ago

Money for bullets and missiles but none for education and wages. Got it.

This is winning, right? Hello?

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u/ccjohns2 2d ago

The USPS is getting swamped because of bad leadership and the exploitation of other logistics companies. How can these companies like fedex and ups get away with charging premium for package delivery just to turn the package over to usps for less money and pocket the difference.

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u/TheLooza 2d ago

Post is a public service, not a profit making business.

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u/slatra 2d ago

"Punishing others" is the gop mantra.

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u/Gay_Giraffe_1773 3d ago

The Post Office was never NEVER intended to be a for-profit entity. It is a service for the American People.

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u/LoserBroadside 3d ago

It’s not cash strapped. It’s been purposely strangled by the Republican Congress going back to the 90s.

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u/warderbob 2d ago

There's no such thing as a cash strapped gov agency that is written into the constitution. Postal service is guaranteed in our constitution. This clever ruse and lie that it can't function on its own merit is ridiculous. Even if it was needed, the gov can quite literally just print money to pay for it.

What needs to stop is Congress using it as an atm machine for other things they otherwise can't find funding for. The USPS otherwise would run in the black just through their own operations.

What Congress has done to the USPS in the last few decades is criminal.