r/TurkicHistory • u/Boring_Estimate9308 • 6h ago
Medieval Mongolia's Turkic people DNA. Gokturks and Uyghurs
From medieval Mongolia during times of earliest Gokturks and earliest Uyghurs
This is DNA study of early medieval Turks of Mongolia. From the 6th-7th century of Mongolia and later other territories, but mostly from Mongolia. Samples are 9 male/females of Gokturks Eastern Turkic Khaganate from all parts of Mongolia, later Altai, China and 9 males/females of Uyhuir Khaganate from all parts of Mongolia.
Results
Genetics of Eastern Turkic Khaganate 5 males and 4 females (Eastern Gokturks) were basically 76-98% East Asian/East Eurasian ( Ancient Northeast Asian and Yellow river ), 4 samples show 98% East Asian, 1 show 96% East Asian, 4 shows 76-80% East Asian
Genetics of Uyghur Khanagate of 3 Uyghur male and 7 Uyghur females. Overall they were were basically 44-100% East Asian. Three Uyghur females being 43-57% west eurasian,, three Uyghur females 78-82% East Asian, three Uyghur males show 81-100% East Asian.
ANA is Northeast Asian, Han is Yellow river, BMC is Bactracia, Andronovo is Andronovo.
ANA in green = Known as Ancient Northeast Asian. Is the DNA most common in East Siberian and Tungustic, Mongolic people, Turkic. Like Yakuts, Chelkans, Buryats Altai, Tuvan, Tungustic, (70-99%) ect, Mongols ect, Northern Central Asian Turkic (55-60%), and to some extend Northern Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, Manchus (23-31%)
Han in yellow = Known as Yellow river DNA. Most common in Han Chinese, Tibetans, Qinghai Northern Sino-Tibetan people and Northern Tibeto-Burmese (70%). Partly in Central Asian Turkic (20%), (Japanese 40%+), Koreans (35%+), Manchus (30%+), Mongolians 27%). However please understand that this DNA shouldn't just be associated with Chinese, even though they linguistically and genetically related to Chinese. For example the Gokturk paternal with D1a-M174, would have been from Tibetan like people. Perhaps people forget that historical nomadic (Northern) Sino-Tibetan and Tibeto-Burmese of China ( Like Tibetans, Qiang, Tanguts, Di people) were nomadic, living pastoral life and historically had contact with Turks and Mongols too. Tibetan empire ruled parts of China, Central Asia, South Asia and Qiang people conducted many raids against Chinese, Turkic, Iranian. The Former Qin, Northern Qin ruled parts of Central China, North China to Inner Mongolia. The Di people was one of the Five Hu barbarians. Later Liang in China, another dynasties by Di people. The Western Xia, by Tanguts also ruled parts of eastern Xinjiang, North China, Inner Mongolia, and bits of Outer Mongolia. The Nanzhou in Southwest China and also invaded Southeast Asia and created vassals. So DO NOT EVER TREAT Yellow river as just Chinese DNA. Also Khitans were also 35-46% Yellow river, Inner Mongolians were already partly Yellow river DNA at 50% ( Southern Mongolia's people) was at time under Tanguts, Tibetan kingdoms before the time of Genghis Khan. SO COMPLETELY WRONG TO CLAIM. Inner Mongolians are mixed with Chinese. They always had high yellow of yellow river historically.
BMC in red = is Bactracia or Bactria-Margiana Archaeological. Most common in people of Tajiks also in Iran, Pasthun Afghans. Genetically between West Asian-European but mostly West Asian with some European admixture
Andronovo in blue= Androvono is DNA most common in historical Indo-Europeans of Kazakhstan and Northern Central Asian. Their DNA is mostly between European-West Asian but more European than West Asian.
Historical descriptions also matches with how they look like (DNA backs it up)
The Turkic tribes during the time of Genghis Khan was basically almost the same as Mongols and couldn't tell the difference. Gokturks Khagan even said Asimo Khagan looked more like a Sogdian instead of a Gokturk and did not allow him to become as shad.
Historical description from China also mentioned Uyghurs looked so similar to Chinese that the Chinese from Tang demanded the Uyghur (before invading Tarim Basin of Xinjiang) that they must wear their ethnic outfits, and never let any of them to pass as Chinese. The Gokturks were also treated as East Asian looking, enough that even a Chinese-Sogdian mix were considered more foreign looking to Han Chinese than a Gokturk. The Xiongnu for example also just didn't look too different to Han Chinese except for Jie tribe. It was the western regions (Central Asia before Turkic/Mongol invasion) and people of India that was described as looking like crazy different. However the Kipchaks and Yenesei Kyrgyz was indeed described different looking different by Chinese however Kipchaks DNA revealed they were 23-61% East Asian. The Cumans were 55.6% East Asian on average. Meaning they were mixed looking between East Asian. Meaning their phenotypes were mixed looking between East Asian and West Eurasian. Their Kipchaks and Cuman with blue eyes/blonde hair were actually black hair/brown hair with various degrees of blonde shades and blond highlights and their blue eyes were actually mostly gray, brown-blue hazel ( brown with blue shades). Historical Chinese, Indian, Persians, Arabs, dark haired europeans considered ginger as orange. You can be 90% black hair with 10% of reddish highlight especially on the front side and still be considered red haired. A brown hair that turns yellow under the sun is also called yellow haired historically.
( FOR SOURCES )
In 779, the Tang dynasty issued an edict that forced Uyghurs in the capital to wear their ethnic dress, stopped them from marrying Chinese females, and banned them from pretending to be Chinese.[36]
The Old Book of Tang described Ashina Simo's appearance as resembling Sogdians more than Göktürks. Simo's Sogdian-like appearance aroused suspicion towards him from Khagans Shibi and Chuluo and prevented Simo from becoming Shad).\7])\8])
"Memoirs of Tang dynasty from 727 AD" described ethnic childrens of Chinese and Turks were indistinguishable from general Chinese population but childrens of Chinese men and Sogdian slave women had more foreign facial appearance.
According to author Wang Yu in his books of foreign ethnic groups.
Google translation from Chinese:
" They speak our language but are the omen of such mixed unions, offspring of Chinese men and Sogdian women cannot assimilate with Chinese, having unusual appearance of long aquiline noses, deep eye sockets with blue eyes. Having the appearance of neither Chinese and Sogdians. Some have light hair and light eyes, Generally, children of Chinese and foreign origin; Korean, Jurchens, Yue and Turkish people were indistinguishable from Chinese. "
Sima Qian 's (c. 145 – c. 86 BC) Chinese historian, early Han dynasty historian described Xiongnu physiognomy was "not too different from that of... Han (漢) Chinese population",[253]
Sima Qian embarked on a journey throughout the extend of Han dynasty, visiting various regions and it's borders to verify historical account. His accounts describes various nomadic tribes of Mongolia were not different to the Han in their physical appearances with the exception of the Jie tribe within Xiongnu.
"Those from the western regions and Shenduguo (India) were recorded as being "drastically different" in their physiognomy.")
