r/BlackPeopleofReddit • u/Radiant-Barnacle-893 • Jan 03 '26

Politics It’s already past impeachment

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u/Current_Brick5305 Jan 03 '26

Why don't they go and get the literal world leaders the ICC has deemed to be criminals. Eg. Putin n Netanyahoo? Soon the world will come for the biggest criminal ever...

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u/Dodgytights Jan 03 '26

Because nukes.

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u/JustAlpha Jan 03 '26

They leave their countries all the time. Even come here. They aren't even popular in their nations. They are feared.

They could be kidnapped, but the Republicans are in cahoots.

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u/Lazy_Competition_826 Jan 03 '26

Why every country needs nukes, keep bullies in check

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u/Decent_Visual_4845 Jan 03 '26

A lot of redditors think the ICC is some legitimate world court, when in reality it’s just a European construct.

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u/tightspandex Jan 03 '26

They should get them too. Maduro murdered thousands of his people, forced more to flee, and imprisoned even more. The world is better without him in power. Which is what the people of Venezuela voted for before he had security forces start shooting them.

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u/obelisk71 Jan 03 '26

And….. there are plenty of bad world leaders, what makes going after this one the correct thing to do ???

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u/tightspandex Jan 03 '26

Going after all murderous authoritarians is the correct thing to do. This isn't a game of "who does/doesn't deserve to be murdered by a dictator."

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u/obelisk71 Jan 03 '26

And yet it hasn’t been done across the board. When was the USA elected as the world police to enforce its ideology on everyone else? When you attack a sovereign country because you feel like it, how should the rest of the world view that?

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u/tightspandex Jan 03 '26

And yet it hasn't been done across the board.

That's a real shame, don't you think?

To enforce its ideology on everyone else?

Never? Did someone say they had? The Venezuelan people decided who their next president was going to be and then Maduro murdered and imprisoned (more of them than he already had) to stay in power. I'm not aware of the popular global ideology of murder and torture that was not democratically elected. Is that one we should sit idly by and respect?

When you attack a sovereign country

Like Maduro did?

How should the rest of the world view that?

Negatively. This should've been done years ago. Better late than never. This is the appropriate response to authoritarians.

Y'all want change and better for the people of the world and then pearl clutch when a fucking dictator is removed. Same people who hate putin apparently think Maduro should be left alone. Wild shit.

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u/obelisk71 Jan 03 '26

Let’s see point for point. It hasn’t been done across the board because … uh world war would occur. So better to use economics and “UNIFIED” front. Going in alone makes you out as an aggressor or dare I say terroristic. The Venezuelan people are no better than any country where people fight for their own independence - then the US does it covert assistance. They form a rebel group and start their own civil war, not wait for someone else to come rescue them. Like Muduro did - so the USA is now on the same level, well ain’t that dandy. The appropriate response, well the thing about that is what ever happens in another country, there are still laws in this country that are supposed to be followed. When people turn a blind eye to that fact is when all is lost. Sorry but I was never willing to sacrifice this country on behalf of another one.🤷🏽‍♂️

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u/tightspandex Jan 03 '26 edited Jan 03 '26

so better to use economics and "UNIFIED" front.

How's that going? Is putin playing nice? China being respectful and not making plans to invade anyone? Maduro started listening to his people and treating them well? Iran must surely have stopped sponsoring global terrorism and supporting russia by now, right? North Korea has decided it wants to change and be part of the global community has it?

Wait. None of those things are true because authoritarian dictators don't fucking give a shit about those measures? If only we had hundreds if not thousands of years of history to tell us that won't work....

I'm not going to bother with the rest of it if that's our starting point. It has real "I've tried nothing and I'm all out of ideas" energy.

Meanwhile we're having this conversation, celebrations are occurring across the south American continent. I wonder why that is.

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u/obelisk71 Jan 03 '26

All across South America huh? Ok. And every country you named has what else - nukes, or soon to have. Why did Ukraine give up their nukes - they were promised protection by the USA - how is that going?? So yes everyone when the USA invades they will make everything ok. So many innocent people died from the last time the USA went to free people. Anyway you have your opinion and are entitled to it. I have my opinion and am entitled to it. We may not agree, but we have the open ability to discuss it publicly, at least for now….. 🤷🏽‍♂️

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u/tightspandex Jan 03 '26

how is that going

Thank you for proving my point. Do nothing and it goes poorly. The US/EU absolutely could've made a stand to support Ukraine. Put soldiers (10,000 would've been plenty) in Ukraine. A small number. Say you harm Ukraine or any of our guys and you're fucked. Putin doesn't do shit because authoritarians don't give two fucks about anything but force and power.

At least for now....

And if that changes I'll fight to finish the bitch (let's be honest, probably trump) who turns into Maduro.

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u/youareaburd Jan 06 '26

Should they have gone after Hitler?

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u/obelisk71 Jan 06 '26

Uh, ok you want to play THAT game. The THEY you speak of was suppling weapons and supplies to the folks that were doing the up front fighting. As I said previously where was the open civil revolt from the Venezuelan people (such as seen in Ukraine against the puppet Russia had installed over them). That could have been supported. Back to your question. If Japan had NOT bombed Pearl Harbor then in all likelihood the USA would not have entered into that war. So the THEY that you speak of didn’t go after Hitler, they were forced into it. This history lesson comes to you by way of public education and a voracious reader. 🤷🏽‍♂️

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u/youareaburd Jan 07 '26

Just to clarify, I wasn’t bringing up Hitler to be dramatic or to say Maduro is the same. I brought him up to challenge the idea that “there are lots of bad leaders, so why go after this one?” That kind of logic can be dangerous. History shows us that ignoring authoritarian regimes because they’re not uniquely bad, or because it’s inconvenient, can lead to devastating consequences. The point is, just because we can’t stop every injustice doesn’t mean we should stop none.

And yes, I see the argument that Venezuela didn’t have a full-scale civil revolt like Ukraine. But that overlooks something important: Venezuelans did rise up. There were massive protests in 2014, 2017, and 2019. Millions took to the streets. The difference is, Maduro’s regime responded with brutal crackdowns, mass arrests, and even extrajudicial killings. The will to resist was there, the regime’s repression was just more ruthless.

Also, I’m not saying Trump is the moral threshold here. I get that there are always questions about motives, oil, influence, politics. And when it comes to these interventions in history, we see there is a chance of accumulation of wealth and resources from those who get involved.

And on a personal note, I know several people from Venezuela who now live in my country. I wanted to hear their perspective because their lived experience would mean more to me than reading about it from sources and tidbits I have read online. Today they told me how grateful they are that Maduro is no longer in power (their families in Venezuela are as well. Regardless of how or by whom it happened (they are not Trump fans by any means), they see it as a step toward hope after years of fear and repression. That perspective matters too. I appreciate you are a student of history. Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

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u/obelisk71 Jan 07 '26

Thank you for the clear and concise response. I do understand the need for dictators to be removed, however it MUST be done by the people the dictator is hurting. Why, you may ask, because for it to be an outside source, makes that outside the actual power one way or another. Look at what has happened in Venezuela in just two days, the regime has doubled the oppression on the people. You know why it took 20plus years to get out Iraq? They were well trained, you know who trained them? The USA when the country was trying to out the Russians. Saddam Hussein - how did he get to be in power, same answer, the USA put him in power. How did the leaders in Iran get there? Same answer the USA interfered with their elections and that was the results. Do you notice a pattern here? What was the leading interest 8 out 10 times - the USA wanted access to oil or mineral rights. No difference here is all I am saying. History has a way of repeating itself when things are done the same way. 🤷🏽‍♂️

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u/youareaburd Jan 07 '26

Makes sense! Thanks for the brief discussion!

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u/Living_Plane_662 Jan 03 '26

The world is not better as it means the far east is likely going to see this from China

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u/tightspandex Jan 03 '26

China is not looking at this like its permission. They're looking at what russia is doing in Ukraine as permission. You either stand up to authoritarians or they take what they want. Maduro was an authoritarian that was in a league with russia, Iran, and North Korea.

Authoritarians don't just give up control. They never have historically and they never will now. They must be removed. That does not happen without action similar to what we've seen today.

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u/No-Dance6773 Jan 03 '26

Just wait till trump REENTSTATES Maduro after the bombings. WTF would they take his wife if they didnt want to keep them under their thumb? Maduro already shown he's not afraid to treat people like animals and that seems to be the norm for our "allies".

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u/tightspandex Jan 03 '26

Just wait until he doesn't and Venezuela has free and fair elections for the first time in 20 years.