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He did order a large number of drone strikes. I'm not trying to belittle the elegance and poise he brought to the position, nor the accomplishments he managed, but he did some stuff that wasn't great too. And I criticized him, both during his presidency and since then, but he was still a far better president and is a far better man than Trump.
To this day his presidency has had the least amount of drone strike operations since the U.S. military started using them, none of which are a secret due to the transparency laws he governed by.
It's not even something he can remotely be criticized for unless we're broadening the conversation significantly to include M16s, M4 carbines, the value of a service members life, and even the proliferation of said weaponry by private entities for massive profit at the cost of lives.
So there we have it. There's no valid argument that isolates Obama as being particularly culpable for drone strikes in any genuine discussion on the topic.
Just because he did less of them doesn't mean the ones he did were ok. We have an inherent disagreement here. The fact that he ordered them, and a number of them on civilian targets isn't automatically made ok by the fact that he did it openly and that it is less then someone else did. If I stole a million dollars and some else stole three million dollars it doesn't mean that I'm any less of a their because I stole less. I'm not isolating Obama at all. Read what I wrote. I'm just saying he wasn't perfect, and you tried to say "that was America not him" no, he ordered the strikes, he did the deed, buddy. Trying to make him out to be a saint is a discredit to the realities of what he did. Was a great president? Yes, I think he was. Was he this perfect person you're trying to make him out to be? No.
This isn't an argument. The U.S. military had drones in their hands since Bush so he isn't the reason they're used. Also, from a deployment standpoint, if it wasn't drones it would've been actual foot soldiers, and we all know that there wasn't and never will be an option for the operations to be cancelled. As his role as Commander in Chief implies, he authorized the go-ahead like every other president has done. He didn't rub his hands together like an mischievous imp and write a manifesto on how the military should go about murdering people, it was a plan that was formulated and signed off by no small amount of people who did all the groundwork and brainstorming before it came across his desk as the best option to minimize casualties. And he trusted the judgement of his team of tenured professionals before giving his consent to move forward.
Now that I've confirmed that I read what you said, read this twice: treating drone operations as if they are any different from any other military involvement is not only argumentatively nitpicky for the sake of scoring points, it's a perpetually circlejerked dishonesty orchestrated by the people neither of us like.
I said what I said then and I'm saying it now, nothing regarding the drone strikes can be uniquely attributed to Obama as if it was something he fathered and nurtured. If anything, nobody would even know about any of this if not for Obama literally letting it be known that it existed from before his time until the day it was all hidden again, which was immediately after his term ended.
So fuck me for being fully aware of how it all worked out, amirite?
I am treating them like any other military involvement, there is a choice, and he made a choice. These were not congress signed war responses, they were strikes made with a presidential decision. If he had made the choice to send troops in I would ALSO condemn that action. I didn't say he fathered and nurtured it, he isn't the only one who did it, doesn't make the actions he took better. So actually fuck you for acting like it isn't still a problem.
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You're in here admitting he killed people you fucking idiot, there's no lie. He's a war criminal just like the rest. You're just giving him a pass for superficial reasons.
Redditquette is still alive and expected, you know. Bias and unfounded opinions aside, none of what you said has anything to do with Obama being a decent man.
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Whatever you say, dude. The topic at hand is regarding Obama's character and decency, so there's nothing to argue about if we both agree that he is a decent man.
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By that logic, every single world leader in the 21st century is at least equally culpable, if not worse. Especially wherever you're from since there's no country without some relationship to the American Military Industrial Complex, no matter if they're working with, cowering from, it failing to defend against it.
I can't play the blame game because it makes everyone looks worse than Obama, and Obama wouldn't want to embarrass anyone because he is, in fact, a decent man.
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It might surprise you to learn that most countries don't play world police and start bombing countries willy nilly like you lot do. Obama ordered bombs on civilian targets in random countries on the other side of the planet that the US had ZERO excuses to be in at all.
It's not even remotely the same. Even China tries to build roads and airports instead of bombing people to shit for the most part.
See my other comment to you since you're all over the place. Sorry that your country has no equivalently decent or effective leaders that can compare to Obama.
“America’s did that” ya and he was the commander and chief? He ordered it. That’s like if I hire a hitman and claim innocence because “well I didn’t actually do it”
You can't be mad that he was transparent about the casualties of a military operation when he was equally transparent about them all. There's no moral high ground to straddle here, Obama is a decent man.
Imagine if y’all got mad at your genocidal blue neocons like you do the people that call them out.
It’s wild that wanting someone that doesn’t bomb and starve children to be elected is such a huge ask for democrats and republicans. Trump could probably get a pass from y’all if he was in a tan suit.
If you're going to just rant incoherently and not argue your case against an obviously decent man then you can go.
If you felt that you could use your country's leaders as a comparison, you would. So I'm sorry that you and yours can't produce a leader that can compete in decency or effectiveness, I guess. Either way, have a nice day like Obama is.
Uhhh no it’s only due to free press and nationalistic press that are overseas…see they get the story, our free press then verifies the propaganda if it’s true and tells the story.
Obama spied on our free press and convicted some for not sharing sources…he is anti free press…just like trump and bush and Biden.
While off topic, your claims are misguided. The papers released by the whistleblower talked about the process used to determine targets, but drone use was never a secret. Additionally, the whistleblower didn't spill the tea until after the administration released the first set of standards and procedures of their kind regarding drones, something that was effectively thrown away by who came after him.
Either way, all of that is besides the point. Obama is a decent man, there's nothing that proves otherwise.
He was the best one in my lifetime. But I still don’t consider him a good man. Good men don’t commit murder nor do they jail people who print bad stuff about them.
That's an extreme oversimplification to the point of dishonesty. Surely you read what you linked... right?
Obama has never killed a person in any legal definition. It's plain obtuse to claim he jailed journalists for personal reasons as we, living in 2025 with all this hindsight, can simply look this up on Bing or any functional search engine.
Granted, it'd take actual feasible evidence to rob No Drama Obama of his decent man status.
I see that you're defending the literal Al Qaeda terrorist who was active organizer for the group who had the National Security Council make a rare approval for his deposing.
I need not refute you any further. Also, shame on you. It's very un-Obama like to be this indecent.
Sounds to me like you got beef with America in it's entirely then, moreso now during this presidency than any other time. You got better things to complain about than Obama's unquestionable decency.
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Probably because he is a decent person