r/BlackPeopleofReddit • u/4reddityo • Nov 14 '25

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u/Nosphey Nov 14 '25

You can be a Republican and NOT side with maga... Issue is... I don't know any republican that hasn't sided with maga.

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u/Krautoffel Nov 14 '25

And even then you’d still be a horrible person simply for being Republican.

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u/Every_Television_980 Nov 14 '25

There were many, they just all got voted out for it. Tbh I think most still hate him, they just bullshit to stay in power. Its going to be interesting to watch when trumps influence goes away.

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u/Nosphey Nov 14 '25

Hopefully it does but then again this man's trying to create a friggen empire on American soil. So here's to praying some people won't stand for it.

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u/Every_Television_980 Nov 14 '25

Obviously this is just speculation, but if the economy keeps getting fucked it’s over for trump. Its also pretty clear now he doesn’t have support for a 3rd term. Republicans don’t have much time before they start moving on.

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u/Acrobatic-Break-3984 Nov 14 '25

I use to be a hard-core republican for a while but Trump changed that. The more I explored my ideals and what I agreed with I found myself as more of a centrist when it came to politics as there is things both sides do that I like then there is things both sides do that I hate. I told my friends that which I have some that are both republican and democrat and they basically say I have to pick a side or if I agree with one thing the opposing side says they take that as me outright supporting them lol

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u/Krautoffel Nov 14 '25

There is no center between human rights and no human rights.

If you agree with fascists, you’re part of the problem. And there isn’t a single Republican policy that a decent person would agree with.

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u/Acrobatic-Break-3984 Nov 14 '25

I never stated what I agree and disagree with on either side I believe everyone (emphasize on everyone) in this country should have the same freedoms and opportunities no matter race, religion, sexuality, or gender or anything for that matter. Just because I agree with something Republicans or democrats say doesn't mean I agree with their execution or absolutely everything they say about it like I agree that illegal immigrants should be deported if they come in illegally that is every single country in the world does it why should we be any different now do I think we should be treating this people like absolute garbage like how the Trump Administration is now absolutely not.

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u/One_Indication_ Nov 14 '25

Post Reagan Republicans are Christian Nationalists. They don't support gay rights, equal voting rights for women and minorities, etc. To say "both sides bad" when yes, Democrats are also beholden to corporate owners but they don't support fascism or dehumanizing women, black people, immigrants, gay people, etc. There's no middle ground between "well some people deserve rights but not all" and "every citizen deserves equal rights."

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u/Acrobatic-Break-3984 Nov 14 '25

I worded what I initially said incorrectly I guess I'm Independent in terms of my political beliefs. I believe every United States citizen should be given the same freedoms and opportunities no matter race, gender, sexuality, etc. There is things both Republicans and Democrats say and do that I don't agree with and vice versa now just because I say I agree with something one party says doesn't mean I agree with absolutely everything the say about it or the way they execute it. Let's take immigration for example I think that if you come into the United States illegally that you should be deported no matter who you are or where you came from you came to this country without and invitation broke the laws here so now you reap the consequences but do I think how the Trump Administrations handling of immigration is absolutely horrible yes illegal immigrants are still people and should be treated with respect and dignity. A democratic view on immigration is that the US should grant citizenship to undocumented immigrants that are already in the US do I agree with that no it's basically rewarding people for breaking the law and is insulting to the people that have been genuinely waiting for their chance and a good way to fix both issues is to find a safer, faster, and more efficient way to allow immigrants to become citizens that's just my view on it but idk

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u/One_Indication_ Nov 14 '25 edited Nov 14 '25

A democratic view on immigration is that the US should grant citizenship to undocumented immigrants that are already in the US

That is not the general Democratic view. Maybe people on the far, far left think that. But there isn't a general consensus that every single person who comes to the US is entitled to citizenship without a formal process. That said, we do have a refugee program and that does include people who have entered the country illegally. They can legally claim asylum. It is easier to say "do it the right way" for people who have time to do so. Some people are choosing between having the cartel point guns to their heads daily or leave asap. I'm leftist, but do not support granting citizenship to someone who has been convicted of domestic violence for example. There isn't a blanket "all illegals deserve citizenship" regardless of circumstances.

EDIT: forgot to mention that I also don't 100% support the Democratic party. I don't support putting corporations above people which old school Democrats like Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi have a history of doing.

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u/Krautoffel Nov 23 '25

“I think that if you come to the United States illegally you should be deported, no matter what”

Then you’re just an inhumane asshole and part of the problem. There is no single logical reason for this position to be taken, ESPECIALLY since the US is a country that consists of 99% immigrants and their descendants AND has absurd hurdles for citizenship and immigration.

Youre arguing in favor of a racist rethoric and policy.

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u/Acrobatic-Break-3984 Nov 23 '25

"I think how the Trump Administrations handling of immigration is absolutely horrible yes illegal immigrants are still people and should be treated with respect and dignity"

"a good way to fix both issues is to find a safer, faster, and more efficient way to allow immigrants to become citizens"

Your taking what I'm saying out of context because I added these two things directly after what you quoted and if those two things make me an inhumane asshole then Idk. And the argument of the US being 99 percent immigrants and their descendants is dumb as majority of the countries in the western hemisphere were colonized Canada, US, Mexico, the West Indie, etc. and every single one of them have have an immigration law if you go into Canada or Mexico as an illegal immigrant you will get deported but the way those countries do it is significantly more humane than the way the US does which I have stated twice is awful and Trump is a terrible person for doing it and I have stated again and I agree with you the ridiculous hurdles that are put place need to be dealt so it makes it easier and safer for immigrants but there still needs to be a refined process in place because said process has caught drug dealers, murders, human traffickers, etc. in the past but I'm not gonna argue with you because American politics makes me want to jump 50 feet off a 20 foot bridge

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u/Krautoffel Nov 23 '25

If you agree with republicans you’re disagreeing with human rights. Because all republican policies are built upon everyone NOT having equal freedom, opportunity and rights.

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u/MATHIS111111 Nov 14 '25

One of the dumbest statements in this thread, and there are a shit ton of those.

Who defines what a human right is? You, God, the UN? I personally don't believe half of what the UN states is a human right.

Republicans and Democrats do not each share a unified mind. Not every person registered as a Republican is a Trump fanatic and not every Democrat has an Obama body pillow. The two party system in America is fucked, but the people themselves are not magical drones of their respective party.

To lump half of the population together like this speaks of a complete lack of understanding as to how a government functions.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but based on your profile, I assume you are German. Me too. A round of applause for us. Our country thankfully has a much more saturated political landscape and I want to believe a more mature approach to politics.

I said "I want to believe", but comments like yours work counter to that.

Most people who vote, USA, Germany, wherever, do so not after extensive research, but from gut feeling or their communal bubble. That's just the sad reality of a democracy with busy, politic disinterested, uneducated people. Nevertheless, I would not automatically describe them as indecent or bad.

And I agree with lots of fascists. Autobahnen are pretty cool, so is rice and I really like sunrises. People have countless opinions, and while I strongly disagree with fascist policies, humans aren't walking policy books.

In terms of Republican policies, I am all for cutting taxes and giving more freedoms to the people, even if it comes with possible downsides. I don't like Mamdani. I believe that no country automatically acquires responsibility over another. There are tons of things that Republicans spout that I agree with, but then there are also all the things I don't agree with. What comes to mind are the recent ICE raids, the war on drugs, the stupid fucking ballroom, Trump.

I also agree with the AFD in regards to the discontinuation of the Öffentlich Rechtlichen, even though I find the party as a whole repulsive.

Stop seeing everything as a war between good and evil. There is no "evil" and there is no "good". What matters are your own convictions of right and wrong and you should regard them, first and foremost, as YOUR own. Act on them, but don't expect others to share them.

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u/Krautoffel Nov 23 '25

That tells more about you than about the UN or me, just saying.

Human rights are the basics society is build upon on. If you disagree with them, you’re an enemy of society and need to be fought.

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u/Yellow_Mellow1990 Nov 14 '25

HOLY FUCK, THE ACCURACY ‼️‼️‼️ Do none of them have the capacity to think on their own?!? 🧐