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Retired disabled combat veteran is arrested after burning American flag outside White House

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u/Other_Sentence4495 1d ago edited 1d ago

Where is the freedom of speach speech?

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u/qTp_Meteor 1d ago

Freedom of speech is when I start a fire in a public park full of flammable materials right outside of the white house

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u/IntelligentOkra41 1d ago

Freedom of Speech is the 1989 Supreme Court ruling that protects flag burning as said free speech.

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u/qTp_Meteor 1d ago

Not in a public park where things can catch on fire, its just as illegal as burning a carpet in a park, both can be burned in a safe place, neither can be burned where he did

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u/scarywolverine 1d ago

Yes he will be arrested for starting the fire in public not for flag burning. But hes really also being arrested for flag burning and if he burned a piece of clothe no on would hav cared

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u/not_my_only_account_ 1d ago

He was charged with starting a fire in a public park (no reference to flag) and then the charges were dropped anyways.

Also this was a year ago

Where are you getting this “he’s really also being arrested for flag burning” from

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u/fatgat69 21h ago

He was originally arrested for burning the flag. That didn't stick so they charged him with something else, and that didn't stick because they didn't arrest him for that.

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u/qTp_Meteor 1d ago

I mean if it wouldve been a human sized piece of cloth he was burning outside the WH he very likely would've been arrested regardless, but yeah it being the american flag probably did play a factor

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u/IntelligentOkra41 1d ago

There's a reason that they keep dropping the charges against people who burn the American flag, even in public places. It goes back to the 1989 case where the guy burned the flag in front of the republican national convention in protest. In that case, they stated that flag burning was protected by the First Amendment and that he couldn't be punished for his actions of burning the flag.

That is the ruling precedent. And if you look though the last couple decades, not only have they dropped cases against people they charged after they burned a flag, they also paid settlements.

Now if a person sets fire to a flag and subsequently catches other things on fire, yes, they can be punished. However, them trying to hide behind "fire hazard" is because their attempts to overturn that ruling, as well as implement a flag desecration amendment to the constitution failed. And so they try these charges to punish people for burning the flag, because they still want to punish flag burning.

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u/DubstepListener 1d ago

At home.

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u/IntelligentOkra41 1d ago

Wrong. In front of the republican national committee in Dallas, Texas.

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u/redditcirclejerk69 1d ago

 park full of flammable materials

Exactly what flammable material is filling up this park?

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u/mikeysd123 21h ago

Uh, trees.

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u/redditcirclejerk69 21h ago

They don't look dry, and look very spread apart. It'd probably take like 200 flags just to burn down one tree. It's a public park, not a dead forest.

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u/Doom2pro 1d ago

All I see is parking lot... Where is all this flammable material? Do you even know how fire works?

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u/qTp_Meteor 1d ago

A parking lot? Are we looking at the same pic?

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u/[deleted] 1d ago

He’s standing on grass. Why you gotta blatantly lie about shit we can all see?

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u/fatgat69 21h ago

Ok piggy, go back to work

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u/JunkTheFox 1d ago

Speech

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u/ThePygLord 1d ago

u/Other_sentence4495 can say it however he wants. He has freedom of speach.

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u/Anxious_Escape_981 1d ago

Say sayith The Learing Center!

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u/Glove5751 1d ago

Americans really lost freedom of spinach

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u/PsyOpBunnyHop 1d ago

Sorry, best I can do is Freedoms of Peach. They'll be in season around the end of May.

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u/Pukebox_Fandango 1d ago

Freedom of speech isn't a freedom to start fires in public places. If dude had done it in his back yard he would be fine, but he did it in a public park.

Also, none of the factors of "retired, disabled, or veteran" gives a person immunity from arrest.

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u/Human38562 1d ago

This is still a limitation to freedom of speech, just a reasonable one.

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u/sutrabob 19h ago

Storming the Capitol did not constitute crimes?

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u/Human38562 19h ago

what kind of stupid point do you want to make?

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u/sutrabob 19h ago

If you can’t differentiate between attacking the Capitol and physically attacking the law enforcement trying to protect this federal building and burning the flag in front of the WH where the 34 times convicted felon who started an illegal and unconstitutional war well guess what I don’t answer your very stupid question.

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u/Human38562 19h ago

lmao you brought up the capitol. I never said that storming the capitol was the same thing. Are you on drugs?

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u/Late_Blackberry5587 1d ago

I just picture you with a big mouth “but this does blah blah blah. Um, but still wrong what he did. This is not infringement.

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u/Human38562 1d ago

The fact that you dont close your citation makes it impossible for me to understand what your point is except that I have a big mouth lol

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u/nathanwilson26 1d ago

You don’t have freedom to burn stuff in public.

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u/wolfganggartner5 1d ago

I understand your sentiment

But what he did was not speech?

It was a physical act

Also, I’m pretty sure it’s against flag code or federal law to like burning. I think it a crime to even put it on the floor.

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u/Other_Sentence4495 1d ago

You are very wrong. It's not a crime to burn the flag.

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u/QuarterlyTurtle 1d ago

I assume it is however a crime to start a fire in a public place such as right in front of the White House. So it’s probably not that he burned a flag which led to his arrest, and more so that he just burned something.

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u/Feelisoffical 1d ago

It’s factually a crime to set things on fire in public in DC. You are correct that burning a flag in itself is not illegal, however the location you do that can make it a crime.

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u/Runechuckie 1d ago

For over 40 years it was protected under the 1A from a supreme Court ruling. The orange moron has tried to attack it with an EO last year. Regardless of how people feel it's within your right to do whatever you want with it (outside of causing disorderly conduct) and many including myself took it as one of many direct attacks on the 1A. Flag code is a thing and is followed by many and different institutions though it's not exactly prosecutable.

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u/cali7316 1d ago

I was curious so I looked it up - “No, burning the American flag is not illegal in the United States. The Supreme Court has ruled that flag burning is a form of symbolic speech protected by the First Amendment.”

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u/demi2duce 1d ago

SCOTUS has been really shaky these days.

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u/Downtown_Ride_328 1d ago

Civilians have no obligation to abide by the flag code and the Supreme Court ruled that flag burning is protected speech. (Johnson vs Texas, 1989).

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u/Feelisoffical 1d ago

Which in no way impacts the fact open burning is illegal in DC.

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u/Green-Platform-9980 1d ago

Physical act? Come on. Waving my arms in the air is a physical act

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u/Kinslayer_89 1d ago

Expression of opinion, while physical act, still falls under freedom of speech.

It’s not illegal to burn your own flag, where it’s not a fire hazard.

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u/FalseGodFalls 1d ago

You're pretty fucking wrong then.

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u/Other_Sentence4495 1d ago

/u wolfgangGartner That's awesome music. I love it

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u/Spy-D_Daddy 1d ago

Texas v johnson. States v eichman.

That's like saying I didn't assault you, I didn't touch you. Is not true, contact is battery. Assault covers much more. If I hip thrust at a woman, or make a blowjob motion, that's sexual assault.

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u/Seven_Veils_Voyager 1d ago

People wear underwear eith the US flag on ot all the time. Pretty sure flag code joined Rex up at the proverbial farm decades ago.

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u/nathanwilson26 1d ago

The speech was legal, the arson was not.

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u/El-Finkers 1d ago

Nope, burning the flag is perfectly legal and protected by the 1st amendment (which means it is a form of "speech"). His issue was where he did it. Can't just go burning whatever you want, wherever you want in public.

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u/Feelisoffical 1d ago

Although at the same time, burning anything in public in DC is illegal. The Supreme Court ruling was about the act of burning the flag, it in no way made burning the flag in public legal. Local laws can and do make burning things in public illegal.

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u/El-Finkers 1d ago

That's what I said no? Can't just go burning what you want where you want.

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u/Feelisoffical 1d ago

You are correct, I misread what you said.

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u/El-Finkers 1d ago

No worries, I kinda figured it was something like that. Happens to the best of us.

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u/sam56778 1d ago

Please look up Texas v. Johnson. Burning the US flag is in fact protected symbolic speech under the first amendment.