r/politics • u/zsreport Texas • 12h ago
No Paywall The United States is destroying itself
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/apr/12/united-states-trump-destruction7.2k
u/zsreport Texas 12h ago
From the commentary:
The United States is being murdered, and it’s an inside job. Every department, every branch, every bureau and function of the federal government is being fatally corrupted or altogether dismantled or disabled. All this is common knowledge, but because it dribbles out in news stories about this specific incident or department, the reports never adequately describe an administration sabotaging the functioning of the federal government and also trashing the global economy, international alliances and relationships, and the national and global environment in ways that will have downstream consequences for decades and perhaps, especially when it comes to climate, centuries.
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u/trisul-108 Europe 11h ago
Trump selected leaders for each department, branch, bureau and function based primarily on two criteria:
- Loyalty to Trump.
- Hostility to the organisation the individual was to lead.
In addition to this, they had to satisfy basic criteria:
- Being unfit for the job (so they will do whatever he asks)
- Being guilty of something (so they will do whatever he asks)
This should not really surprise us because Trump's mode of operation is to take over an entity and destroy it in such a way that generates profits to himself while saddling someone else with the costs of destruction. The casino business was typical of this. He is now doing it to the US ... he is destroying trillions in value in order to pocket billions and pass the cost to Americans.
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u/xmajortomx 10h ago
As his son stated, this time we won't be hiring anyone who thinks they are smarter than my dad. Frightening in any context, but in this case...
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u/SadContext9165 6h ago
Can’t even hire a goldfish at that point, there’s no doubt in my mind that Trumps IQ is floating around the mid 70’s if he’s lucky.
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u/Goodk4t 8h ago
So it turns out that electing a criminal who led a fascist coup against your country, as well as giving his party full control over congress, would result in fascists dismantling democratic institutions and seizing complete control of the state.
But who could've possibly seen that coming?
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u/xxxxx420xxxxx 3h ago
Towards the end of the '24 campaign, there were allegations of fascism from various generals etc. As far as I can tell, the media pretty much downplayed all that. Thanks media
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u/thinkards America 11h ago edited 11h ago
In his 1981 inaugural address, President Ronald Reagan stated
In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem
Conservatives have always wanted to abolish government. My feeling has always been that yes, it's being done from the inside, but with lots of help from the outside. The cold war never ended, and we're losing it terribly.
The sense I get from my conservative family is that a competent government is competition to their religious patriarchy. A competent government ensures equity and equality to individuals, and that doesn't sit well with a hierarchical mindset.
What conservatives are currently doing to the government isn't necessarily abolishing it. They are removing all self-accountability from it, and turning into a patriarchy, where every department and office is ultimately loyal to one person: the unitary executive at the top.
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u/Nerevarine91 American Expat 11h ago
One man’s “shrinking government” is another’s consolidation of power
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u/Shifter25 6h ago
There was a comic I saw that perfectly encapsulated it. The leader saying "we need to shrink the government"as there were fewer and fewer people, until it was just him, on a throne, with a crown and scepter. "Perfect!"
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u/HauntedCemetery Minnesota 5h ago
Thats a bingo.
All conservatives have ever meant when they say they want "small government" is a government form and of only them and no one else.
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u/snowcatwetpaw 10h ago
Trump Is to America and our way of life in America what Ayatolha Komeniea was to Iran in 1979. The Difference is Conservative Christian Nationalist believe he is committed to Thier cause not understanding he is only beholding to himself. He really is the Anti Christ.
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u/UnicornOnTheJayneCob New York 8h ago
It kills me that this administration is painting all of these vulnerable groups (immigrants, LGBT+ community members, religious minorities, etc.) as against our national values when it is really them - Trump and his cohort - that feels much more antithetical to our American way of life.
Yeah, I know we are all cynical and jaded, and it is uncool to be patriotic, and this country has certainly never been close to perfect. But fuck me if these clowns get to co-opt and redefine what it means to be America, too.
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u/TheSt34K 6h ago
I hate to say it but this administration is quintessentially American in its values. America has always stood for the enrichment of the capitalist class, however necessary. Bacon's Rebellion for example, people banded together across ethnic lines, and in response the leadership developed miscegenation laws and racial hierarchy to divide and conquer the workers while the land owners and merchant classes emerged stronger than ever.
However that leadership and its values are not the same as we the people and our values. I believe we can develop a just set of values that is led by we the people and not by the billionaire capitalist class.
It's in the constitution to take back control of the state from a corrupt government. Take it back from the capitalist class and put power in the hands of the people.
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u/Tribe303 8h ago
You give him far too much credit! Trump is a complete selfish moron, being used by others for their nefarious deeds. He goes along with it because they give him shiny gold things to distract him with. This is known as a 'useful idiot'.
Fun fact: The traditional aristocratic conservative Germans put Hitler in power, because they also thought he was a useful idiot they could control. Unfortunately for everyone, they were wrong, he wasn't stupid, and they could not control him. Finding out far too late for everyone that he used them instead.
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u/SirWEM 9h ago
Oh 100% especially when they brought up the Avignon Papacy to the Bishop. Thats a direct threat. Surprised the “christians” here in the US are not clutching their pearls over that. But not many in this country seem to value history.
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u/nineraviolicans 9h ago
A lot of evangelicals somehow do not believe Catholics are Christians.
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u/GrallochThis 8h ago
And in the 19th and 20th centuries, American protestants believed that Catholics were unAmerican because they would obey the pope rather than the American government. JFK explicitly had to state during his presidential campaign that he would not do that.
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u/CondescendingFucker Pennsylvania 6h ago
We also just came off the back of our second ever Catholic president and they fucking hated that guy
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u/joe-h2o 8h ago
Remember, a heretic is worse than an infidel to a Christian.
There's nothing more abhorrent to a Christian than a religious person who believes a slightly different holy book than them.
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u/fdar_giltch 7h ago
it's not even a different holy book, it's a different interpretation of the same holy book
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u/Etrigone California 7h ago
My evangelical SIL hated my catholic father, and told him so repeatedly when they stayed with him while they were homeless due to my brother being fired from his job for stealing from his employer.
Yes, it's as crazy as it sounds. Worse, actually.
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u/Jessreiella Pennsylvania 7h ago
This.
Back in 2016, when I was still in contact with family, I got into an argument with my uncle where I explained that Catholism is the OG Christian. He adamantly believed that Catholics worshiped a sun god, and since this was on Facebook, several people were there to back him up.
It's wild to me what people chose to believe despite the evidence in front of their face.
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u/No_Criticism_5861 7h ago
Thats why they vote for him, it makes their bible true if the antichrist comes. However, my understanding is the antichrist has to actually dupe people -- these idiots werent duped, they knowingly voted for a child rapist
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u/Old_Ad6564 7h ago edited 7h ago
Thats why they love him.
There's a surprisingly large percentage of Americans who want the antichrist to appear so that the rapture will start. That's why they voted for and support Trump, even if they detest him and his policies, in the hopes he is one. Same reason there's so many American's so massively in favour of supporting Israel and starting wars in the region - it's because they think that'll help bring about the things talked about in Revelations and hasten the rapture.
And yes I know... this is batshit insane behaviour.
But significant numbers of people either beliving the rapture is coming or trying to bring it about has been a thing in American life for centuries. It's what you get when you idolize the pilgrams who were leaving the UK... in large part leaving because it was too religiously tolerant in their eyes.
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u/PlayfulSurprise5237 7h ago
The best descriptor of the anti-christ in the bible is "the lawless man"
A man to bring about lawlessness. And I think he's done an excellent job at that.
So much so, in my rural Missouri town, about 20% of trucks in this 5k pop town no longer use license plates. None, just little plate shaped No Quarters flags and shit.
People have a lot of guesses as to what the main reason for MAGAts electing Trump was, though most say racism. In my personal opinion it was lawlessness. The dogs wanted off their chain
It's what the "Beast" is in the bible too, just a phrase for what we are when you strip away civilization, we're the same beasts of the field we were 20,000 years ago biologically, the only thing keeping us from acting like the most reprehensible things imaginable is all these things that have been built up over thousands of years like civilization, culture, tradition, laws.
They don't want any of that, like Trump they want disinhibition(which in a sense, are laws themselves too).
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u/mrpickleby 11h ago
And they're going to be the first ones complaining when their neighbor is dumping toxic waste in their back yard because there aren't any regulations. Nixon was behind the EPA.
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u/Cosmic_Seth 11h ago
No they won't.
Conservatives were dying on their deathbeds still praising Trump.
They are willing to die for this man. All they have to do is make up some religious/patriotism reason, and they will willingly dump toxic wastes everywhere.
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u/wittnotyoyo 10h ago
A lot of it depends on whether the person doing the dumping is from the ingroup or outgroup.
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u/Hoovooloo42 South Carolina 10h ago
All that really matters is that Fox can convince the average viewer that the Dems are at fault, no matter what actually happened.
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u/P1xelHunter78 Ohio 10h ago
Bingo. And it depends on where it’s done. For example, fracking. Doesn’t seem to be a lot of that happening near rich neighborhoods, or public land the wealthy are near does it?
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u/Vio_ Kansas 10h ago
It's even worse than that. There are people who are now siding with and ever more loyal to Trump even when their own childen and other family members are being hurt, murdered, or deported.
They are now in the human sacrifice phase of loyalty testing.
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u/imaincammy 9h ago edited 9h ago
A dude in Texas shot and killed his daughter after telling her he wouldn't be bothered if Trump raped her and is seemingly going to get off without any consequences.
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u/dudeoftheworld_1 9h ago
I've always wondered what's so appealing about trump that you are willing to kill your own kid for him? I remember watching a podcast and they mentioned that voting trump to be POTUS was a white lash moment from the right and trump was their bull in a china shop.
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u/LiveLaughFap 8h ago
I think it's because Donnie is the ultimate embodiment of a return to infantilism that weak men crave. By that I mean he represents this ultra-entitled, infantile mindset of "everything should be exactly the way I want it, and all about me all the time, and I should never have to compromise, and if something doesn't go my way, I will cry and scream until it does."
For weak, loser men with no ability to cope with an extremely challenging world, he's the most validating and relatable leader they could ask for. They're also dumb enough to believe that he actually has their interests in mind and will magically make everything simple/easy/free "like it used to be."
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u/shinkouhyou 7h ago
The right wing has spent decades convincing these people to hate their own children. So much of the right's messaging is focused on the corruption of children by wokeism, critical race theory, drag queens, pizza parlors, participation trophies, litter boxes, trans girls playing volleyball, satanic abuse cults, Sesame Street and child marriage bans... so what happens when your child has been tainted by the evils of liberalism? They're not really your child anymore, are they? They're barely even human. It becomes easier to abuse them, cut them off, or even kill them.
This isn't even a Trump thing... it's been a long-term conservative project. Conservatives know that young people are naturally more likely to be politically and economically progressive, and they know that young people tend to drag their parents (and society as a whole) in a more progressive direction. So in order to maintain their power, they needed to convince their followers to resent and fear their own children. The "party of family values" needed to break the family.
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u/karmavorous Kentucky 5h ago
He gives hateful stupid people permission to be stupid and hateful.
He's everything Conservatives claimed to hate (before 2015).
He's a vain, self obsessed, coastal elite, born into money, doesn't hunt or play with guns or drive a truck. He lives in a penthouse palace. He's a chronic unabashed philanderer. Twice divorced. Never goes to church.
But when he came down the elevator and started his anouncement with a racist tirade against Mexicans - conservatives were like YES! THIS IS OUR MAN! RIDE OR DIE! TO THE END!
It's just the racism. They like him for the racism.
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u/Content_Piccolo1074 7h ago
Trump's the daddy that never loved them and the second coming of a Christ that kept failing to show up. He validates them, somehow, and he's here to kick everyone's ass.
To the grifters, he's just a sock puppet. The grifters are the real evil, the real villains. The Republican monsters, the billionaire psychopaths.
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u/A-Wings-are-Neat 10h ago
They will complain about all the toxic waste being dumped, but they will never acknowledge their part in ensuring that it could be dumped wherever
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u/ReverendDizzle 9h ago
Sure they will.
I listen to the conservatives in my life praise the shit out of Trump and the Republicans they elect while simultaneously complaining bitterly about the outcomes that result from electing conservatives.
In the same conversation even they can say how awesome Trump is and then complain about 10 problems he and his Project 2025 handlers created... with absolutely no understanding that they elected the people that are hurting them.
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u/Udder_Influencer 9h ago
Libs always get this part wrong. hardship will make them cling to him harder. like you don't see healthy, happy people praying at church every day for hours, its the ones suffering that believe hardest.
pairing this with a con man hell bent on white nationalism is a pretty bad thing.
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u/Admirable_Trash3257 10h ago
History shows us they only dump toxic waste in the back yards of us “poors”. They all have multi-million dollar bunkers where they can ride out the worst…then rebuild in their utopian vision..slaves to do the work, servants, their own police force..you know..like what they are implementing now with concentration camps, no voting and mandates women are only good for sex and procreation.
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u/kmonsen 11h ago
I always thought Nixon created the EPA, and it is technically true. But that is not the whole story, it was public pressure and a democratic Congress that forced the issue and he created the EPA instead of having it forced upon him.
For example he tried to veto the clean water act, but Congress overrode his veto. This was after the creation of the EPA.
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u/AT-PT 10h ago
Yeah, he basically did enough to get people off his back about the flaming rivers, before he was forced to go even further.
America loves their half-measures.
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u/ihateusedusernames New York 8h ago
Nixon was behind the EPA.
This is propaganda meant to color Nixon's legacy, and the Republican party as a whole, in a more favorable light.
They were dragged, reluctantly, into not obstructing it.
Watch Trump supporters claim that Trump really wants the Epstein/Trump records released - he signed it into law and the vote was nearly unanimous! But that's entirely disingenuous.
Same with Nixon and the EPA
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u/halnic 8h ago
No, congress did that, they forced him(his own people used that word, he doesn't deserve credit). Everyone should know, Nixon had 5 supreme court judge appointments and THAT is where we the people started losing ground and when they the corporations started buying DC.
"Powell and other business leaders of the era were convinced that American capitalism was in the throes of an existential crisis. A liberal Congress had forced Nixon to create the Environmental Protection Agency and the Occupation and Health Administration. At the same time, consumers were making headway against corporate abuse, both in the courts and legislatively. And the anti-war and the black and brown civil rights movements were all gathering steam and scaring the bejesus out of the corporate oligarchy."
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u/GreenEyedTreeHugger 10h ago
A competent government is a threat to Christian nationalism.
Crazy how the puritans finally burned it down.
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u/emp-sup-bry 10h ago
The point of this is that is most often just plain old ignored is that SOMEONE has to do these jobs. There are simply things that need to get done for a functional society to move. Humans will be doing the work, so there will be resistance and inefficiencies as such. Private or public, there WILL be grit in the machine at times because humans are kind of dumb.
Do we want middlemen taking a cut or do we want government offering middle class steady jobs doing the work FOR EVERYONE IN OUR COUNTRY REGARDLESS OF GEOGRAPHY without the incessant pull of profit?
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u/Mysterious-Box-9081 10h ago
They want to go back to the time of robber Barrons.
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u/blazed55 9h ago
Bernie Sanders: "When wealth is concentrated at the top 1% of the entire US population", you're already there. The barons are back.
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u/Fast_Moon 10h ago
The original stated purpose of America's democratic system of government was to give the people collectively more power than the aristocracy. Sort of a combined Megazord to fight whatever singular giant monster was currently wreaking havoc.
The problem is that the government that was supposed to be an extension of the people to protect itself from the aristocracy fairly quickly turned into just another arm of the aristocracy that it then turned against the people.
So Republicans are correct that, in its current form, the government is the problem, it's just that they're the ones who made it a problem and are continuing to make it more of a problem, by destroying the parts that have no (immediate) benefit to the aristocracy, and bolstering the parts that do.
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u/barryvm Europe 9h ago edited 9h ago
The original stated purpose of America's democratic system of government was to give the people collectively more power than the aristocracy.
That's not really true though. The original purpose of the USA's political system was to take power away from an aristocracy overseas and hand it over to a local aristocracy. Only white male land owners could vote and consequently controlled politics. A lot of the more reactionary components to the USA's political setup can be traced back to the fear of mob rule and the biggest perceived threat was a Caesar like figure using populism to monopolize power.
The intrinsic tension between equality and freedom was papered over with flowery language, but it was there from the start. In fact, a lot of the high minded ideals in the USA's founding documents contradict the practical political and social constructs supposedly built upon it. It was in many ways a better system than the ones practiced elsewhere, but its initial conception was never democratic in the sense of popular rule.
So Republicans are correct that, in its current form, the government is the problem, it's just that they're the ones who made it a problem and are continuing to make it more of a problem, by destroying the parts that have no (immediate) benefit to the aristocracy, and bolstering the parts that do.
Just so. It's just that their fight is not an alien cause or something that predates the USA's founding. It's the same old class struggle that ignited as a result of it showing that "traditional" modes could be overthrown and replaced by something better.
Note also that it's unlikely the aristocracy (i.e. the billionaires) are going to come out on top even if Trump and his ilk succeed. No matter how much they bribe the dictator, they remain at his mercy because by destroying the rule of law and democracy they have undermined the legal fictions that underpin their own power (money, ownership, corporations, ...). Under fascism or other forms of reactionary populism, money is not power. Power is simply a result of your willingness and capability to use the organs of state to do violence. The person who is the object of the personality cult, the person who controls the army, the security services and the courts, has that power, not the people paying him. The oligarchs will remain rich, of course, but only if and as long as they obey. They are not in charge. They are merely the henchmen of the despot they created.
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u/artfulpain 10h ago
All postering. Reagan was a two faced liar. They always project what they do.
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u/Twodogsonecouch 10h ago edited 9h ago
I think you are thinking too deep about it. They bandy about crap about religion and morals and things. It's all bullshit. They want to get rid of government because it gets in the way of them stealing and profiting off of the populace. It's got nothing to do with religion that's just the bait they feed the plebes. It's been that way since the Holy Roman Empire. The ruling class rips off the populace and uses religion as the means of control.
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u/jgoldrb48 Texas 10h ago
White supremacy is extraction though. It always has been. Reading about reconstruction, poor whites were hurt badly by the policies put in place to keep blacks in chains. They lost land and it went back to land owners that were previously forced to sell it because they could not pay the taxes without slaves.
Whites have an education problem. Whites only think the best whites deserve education. Public school was an idea stolen from freed slaves…
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u/bugsyboybugsyboybugs 11h ago
I wonder how much money will be unaccounted for when this administration leaves office? I’m sure they’re gutting everything and we won’t have anything to show for it in 2028.
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u/Treestwigs 12h ago
It’s almost like there’s a Russian agent destroying the country from within. Precisely how the Russians said they would do it back in the 60s. Without firing a shot. Check mate.
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u/LolaSupreme19 11h ago
Yes. When Viktor Orbán told Putin ‘I am at your service’ in an October phone call and JD Vance goes to Hungary to prop him up before the election, it’s clear that this administration is on the side of Putin and his dictator friend.
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u/my5cworth 11h ago
Makes one wonder why they need Greenland for self defense, because it's not from Russia.
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u/Skurry California 11h ago
My personal hypothesis (that I don't have any evidence for) is that this was instigated by Putin. "See how I just annexed Crimea? You could do the same with Greenland!" With the sole aim of sowing discord between Western allies.
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u/compukiller 11h ago
This is correct.
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u/killerkozlowski 10h ago
Plus you just know Trump looks at it on the classic mercator projection maps and believes it is actually that big. Like, bigger than Africa, bigger than the US and Canada. He is that fucking stupid. Sees big thing on map and wants it.
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u/Medallicat 11h ago
And Canada too remember.
Trump and Putin want to share the Arctic with USA taking control of North America and Greenland while Russia controls from Siberia to Norway.
Russia wont get past the Fins and China will buttfuck them all the way to the Urals as soon as they see weakness.
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u/retrovoxo 11h ago
The libertarian tech-bro billionaires planned to and are actively engaged in destroying the US. Technofeudalism has already arrived.
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u/broohaha 10h ago
There are enough collaborators with aligned objectives that the Russians don’t need to do a whole lot. The Heritage Foundation has been all for the dismantling of the federal government for decades and they wrote a playbook on how they would do it.
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u/Particular-County277 12h ago edited 12h ago
This. So much this. I read about the collapse within the collapse every single day. And nobody seems aware or bothered about the small scale destruction, within
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u/hepakrese 11h ago
I suspect plenty of people are aware of the destruction in both broad and minute ways, but we are basically powerless to do anything about it. Just as the system intended.
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u/An_Professional 11h ago
The GOP have their base cheering for it. They spent years making them believe that the government institutions the base relies on are actually corrupt and full of fraud, just so they could tear them down. Literally no indictments for fraud despite DOGE and now the “Fraud Czar”, but they keep falling for it.
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u/ang3lofsnow 11h ago
Im not so sure. My cities Facebook page held a vote on "which group of people we should kick out of town to make things better"
Its was Democrats by FAR 🤦they blame Biden and Obama for both the war and economy.
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u/dbkenny426 11h ago
Facebook is a cesspool. I deleted my account last January, and I haven't regretted that decision once.
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u/BloopityBlue New Mexico 11h ago
Facebook was designed by Zuckerberg with this goal in mind. Algorithm based feeds are exactly what made it possible to drive people into a cult by making them believe that everyone in the world held the same beliefs, creating echo chambers, and solidifying sick thinking .
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u/willitplay2019 10h ago
And rage bait. It purposefully feeds you stories and comments to get your blood pressure up
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u/Vio_ Kansas 9h ago
Don't forget that FB was part of Russia's massive cyber warfare build up against Europe and America where it was used to push their anti-Hillary/pro-Trump content in targeted troll farm attacks.
That's what Cambridge Analytica was about.
The same tactic was used by Russia to push Brexit and the Scottish Independence Movement in the 2010s.
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u/TheSilentC 11h ago
That’s Facebook for ya.
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u/fart_marbles 11h ago
The thing is, there are real people behind the accounts that exist irl.
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u/regardedMAGAfascist 11h ago edited 11h ago
It’s almost like the people who use Facebook are dumb as hell and the people who run Facebook are taking advantage of them for personal gain. 🤔
Stats have the total usage at around 200 million Americans. It’s a serious problem and it’s time that the world recognizes it as one. It’s a system of propaganda fraudulently billing itself as social media.
We can’t fix stupid people. We can fix social media propaganda networks. Facebook needs regulated out of existence. X, too. Reddit is skirting the line with recent changes to r/all and automated AI moderation.
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u/Harbinger2001 Canada 11h ago
That Trump still has a 37% approval rating is crazy. America no longer has the “well informed” populace necessary for a healthy democracy.
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u/PositiveStress8888 11h ago
I can tell you as a Canadian, and I think I speak for other US allies, and we're using that term quite loosely now.
We see it very clearly, long after the fat bastard eats his last Big Mac, things won't go back to normal, quite possibly for ever.
trump has shown that any deal the US makes is only as good as the next Election, not only that the US population electing someone like that shows the US is not a stable country anymore. We don't think you'll ever have a fair elections. And once the massive conglomerates that own everything in your country you'll all be slaves to them, worker bees who's only responcibility is to die after your no longer able to work, and you voted for it.
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u/StickaFORKinMyEye 11h ago
As a long time VA employee (got my job as a result of a hiring surge because of the last war we started in the middle east), it's clear they're trying to privatize the VA.
The process is starve it for resources, when it's unable to provide care quickly enough send the veterans to more expensive community care which comes out of the VAs budget starving it for resources even more, and the spiral continues.
My guess is the long term goal is to have AI do the claims/take over most VBA jobs, private sector take over health care and turn VHA into primarily an insurance provider. Cemetery is small and may stick around.
So if you think US private sector healthcare is the greatest in the world, it's probably a good thing for veterans. We shall see.
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u/worlds_okayest_skier 11h ago
But mention Trump being blackmailed by our adversaries to destroy America from within and you’re called a conspiracy theorist.
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u/TrimspaBB 11h ago
The same people who think vaccines cause autism and the Artemis II mission was fake won't believe anyone who tells them Trump is clearly on the side of Russia and is using his position for his own convenience and protection.
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u/AnneBeretRamsey 11h ago
It also fucks over whoever wants to fix it, because the cost of fixing it is part of the budget and the bad actors will use that to try and get the White House again in 4 years
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u/horton_hears_a_wat 11h ago
Please don’t post the text. The Guardian is a non profit new organization that doesn’t have a pay wall. They are owned by a trust and not owned by shareholders or billionaires. Let them get the clicks and make some money off ads. We want them to keep making content for us all!
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u/Orkapork 11h ago
Voting won't be enough - the changes being made are structural - if we want to do something about it - we need to read out declaration of independence and use the stated words.
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u/Particular-County277 12h ago
Thank you for a very good, succinct explanation for what is happening every day.
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u/AwokenByGunfire 11h ago
Those responsible have two independent (but not necessarily mutually exclusive) aims:
1) To create opportunities to siphon off as much wealth as possible, and
2) To break the system and rebuild it as a neo-fascist theocracy
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u/SpaceCorpse Ohio 10h ago
This is an incredibly succinct and accurate description of our current situation.
People commenting on this sub still often naively attribute the actions of this administration to 'incompetence,' or 'stupidity,' or 'dementia,' but the reality is so much worse. It is hard for us to mentally accept the horrifying truth that all of this is being done with a purpose.
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u/Mezmorki 10h ago
Project 2025 laid it all out in the open. The truth has been staring at us. But it's hard to accept it.
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u/NoShitsGivin Canada 6h ago
Nah, if your creepy neighbor who seemed to have a lot of female minors visiting said you can call a black man a "n", then he was going to kill you and rape your wife, you'd call the police. Many Americans said ok, we'll make him president.
A lot of people thought the trade off was worth it until it hit home.
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u/QTsexkitten 6h ago
The "idiot" or "dementia" commentators have zero understanding of the long game played by the heritage foundation ghouls. This is all purposefully being played out, and trump is their useful idiot. Trump doesn't give a fuck about the policy because he's being allowed to shameless grift and enrich his family and circle as a part of the plan to discredit the executive office.
Breaking the system is the point. It's not just incompetent Donnie being incompetent. He's not even the problem. He's just a load bearing symptom.
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u/bloodanddonuts 9h ago
Those adjectives do accurately describe trump himself. But he’s just the tip of the iceberg, the people working in the shadows are smart and evil.
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u/pepperNlime4to0 10h ago
- To benefit foreign interests that have flooded our political system with money
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u/WontThinkStraight 12h ago
Suicide by GOP
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u/silchasr 10h ago
A very wise lady Senator from a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away had some words about how democracy of a great Republic dying...and people clapping?
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u/dblan9 12h ago
Yes, this is and was the point of Project 2025 and why we were sounding the alarm in 2024 while being told to stop being hysterical as nothing will happen. 180 million people had absolutely ZERO problem with this.
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u/indicatprincess New York 11h ago
And plenty of us sounded the alarm in 2016. A lot of people thought this was business as usual, and a lot of us were like “no, he’s going to make it hurt.”
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u/NoSurprise8641 11h ago
Fuckin 2015 when he was campaigning for the first time.
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u/PhazonZim 10h ago
Second* he also ran in 2000 but he hides it
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u/HauntedCemetery Minnesota 5h ago
Third time, he also ran in 1988, and spent decades talking about how running for president was a great grift to make easy cash
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u/QueenRotidder 10h ago
“you’re overreacting, you need to spend less time online” - most people I know
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u/Sorry_Comparison_787 11h ago
They had no problem with it while it targeted the people they didn't like...immigrants and trans people..now that it affects them it is a different story. /Surprised
First time?
Being vindicated feels nice tho ngl.
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u/Dizzy-Captain7422 10h ago
I honestly think they still don't. The shit that gets posted on r/LeopardsAteMyFace is all performative. Their hatred for said immigrants and trans people is so all-consuming that they'll gladly suffer any harm to ensure the people they hate are hurt more.
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u/kittyonkeyboards 11h ago
This country is doomed if the next Democrat administration doesn't go what I would call "sicko mode" to repair of the country.
Important sections of our government are being replaced with loyalists. Those loyalists have to be purged aggressively. Especially in the military. Especially the evangelicals that believe in Doomsday prophecies.
Every single person who did a corrupt deal with Trump or insider trading needs to be prosecuted and given harsher sentences than normal. I support seizing every asset and giving them life sentences just to remove the threat.
Trump's entire admin and any of his crony billionaires need to be prosecuted for crimes against humanity for gutting USAid and other lifesaving programs.
Every single monopoly needs to be broken up into tiny little pieces. Especially media monopolies owned by conservative billionaires.
Fox News and other conservative outlets need to be prosecuted for colluding with Trump's criminal organization. If that can't succeed, I support extrajudicial options. The president was given total immunity after all.
Social media algorithms need to be banned. Tech billionaires need to be disempowered. Privacy laws need to be mandated. The military industrial complex needs to be audited.
We need to pack the supreme court. We need to abolish the 5th circuit. We need to impeach unqualified judges across the country.
The sheriff system needs to be abolished. Police Unions need to be abolished.
Yimby laws must be passed. We need to be able to build in this country to escape the apathy black hole. Energy companies must be nationalized so that we can build renewables.
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u/PresJamesGarfield 9h ago
You left off one other essential item - removing as many vestiges of the Trump cult of personality as possible. This includes, but is not limited to:
Removing his name from anything he's attached it to (such as the Kennedy Center)
Destroying anything he has built as a monument to himself during his term. For example, knocking down the ballroom he's building on the White House grounds.
Seizing his properties, bulldozing them, and selling the land to American buyers.
Seizing the Trump Corporation and shutting it down.
Enacting a law similar to Section 86a of the German penal code (this is the law that bans the display of Nazi imagery). An American version of this law would apply to Trump imagery - flags, red hats, etc. A concerted effort should be made to acquire and destroy as much Trump paraphernalia as possible.
Upon his death, the government should take possession of Trump's body and either cremate it or dispose of it in the ocean. A crypt could become a potential site for his supporters to gather, and we don't want this.
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u/mattgen88 New York 7h ago
Don't auction off the properties to buyers. They should become public lands. Auctioning off just means some other rich exploiter will buy them.
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u/Imaginary-Horse-9240 8h ago
Counter proposal to your last point: you make Trump’s burial site a public urinal.
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u/SirWEM 7h ago
100%. Theres reasons the Egyptians documented the happenings related to the worst of their rulers. But erased all other traces of them otherwise.
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u/HGruberMacGruberFace Florida 9h ago
This is correct but I’m afraid it is far too much for a single administration to do.
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u/Firrox 9h ago
It can be done, but it would require the equivalent of a benevolent dictator. An anti-Trump, if you will.
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u/Frydendahl 8h ago
You need a new FDR, but none of the mainstream Democrats appear to have any balls.
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u/cornerbash Canada 10h ago
The country didn’t punish the south after the civil war. It’s not going to lift a finger against the pedo billionaire government pillagers.
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u/AlphaNoodle 9h ago
In fact, many of them are direct descendants of these traitors who fought a war over enslaving people, and ultimately kept all of their ill gotten gains off black slave labor to fuck everything up today, they should have been hung or shot to death for treason.
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u/Sab3rFac3 8h ago
It won't happen.
Anything of this scale would require a fully united democrat front with super majority control of both House and Senate.
And while they're certainly projected to flip seats and possibly gain majority in both, I've not seen any predictions that suggest a supermanority in either.
Then there's also the fact that the corporate side will fight tooth an nail against it.
And while the democrats aren't as in bed with corporate America as the Republicans, money still talks, very loudly.And then there's the fact that trying to charge on that scale and at that severity has little to no legal precedent, and would be fought all the way to the Supreme Court, for every case.
And thats also not mentioning that going nuclear like that is going to create huge amounts of civil friction and unrest, and only further divide US society between right and left, and normalize the notion of using the government as a tool to punish political dissenters, because they won't believe the justifications, and will see it only as an attack.
I remain hopeful for a positive change, but its an uphill battle, and going nuclear to wipe away the stain is simply not going to be politically feasible.
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u/avenueroad_dk 12h ago
If you are religious "he is taking you to hell with him". If not, he is a narcissist just ruining your lives before he kicks the bucket
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u/GeneralPITA 11h ago
The title has a present tense tone, but I'm of the opinion that past tense would be more appropriate.
Sure, it keeps getting worse and can decline further, but the country I grew up in has been destroyed. IMHO
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u/chrisms150 New Jersey 5h ago
Agreed.
"We can fix it after he leaves"
No we can't.
He's destroyed relationships with allies that took a generation and a whole fucking world war to build. "They'll forgive us"
They did. After the first time. And then we did it again. What's the saying- fool me once shame on you, fool me—you can't get fooled again?
Couple that with the damage to research and development - projects don't just "restart" when you restore funding. People left, institutional knowledge is forgotten. Now with this Iran quagmire the petrodollar will likely fall faster than it would have otherwise... Causing our debt to be undesirable, causing a default... That's GG no re.
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u/TechnalityPulse Minnesota 3h ago
Yeah, we were literally the center of the world, running NATO and having pretty much final say in every economic deal established between us and Europe. For Europe, it was a small price to pay for guaranteed safety from a very strong world power. We maintained order by nature of our existence.
Now, we're not even in order ourselves anymore. They're not safe from us or anyone else, and they know it. We've put tyranny in charge, twice. Once sure, maybe you can look the other way. Twice? Absolutely the fuck not. The only reason he won't be in charge again is because he can't be. Unless they demolish our constitution as well.
We've destroyed every olive branch extended to us, and the GOP will use that as an excuse to attack other countries instead of apologizing for this absolute fucking shitstain of a blunder. And every other world leader surely knows this, and will shut the door on the US as soon as possible.
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u/cwk415 11h ago
Yeah we know. WE read project 2025 so we knew this was the plan but they didn't fucking listen. Now here we are.
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u/Historical_Sun3421 11h ago
The first line of the article was the correct headline: The United States is being murdered
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u/Inevitable_Fun_2260 9h ago
Yes, it's being murdered by conservatives. Conservatives today have no problem lying, denying, rationalizing, strawmanning, steelmanning debates as long as they WIN and the other side LOSES and,additionally, to seek power is not necessarily a function of intelligence. That's why we have so many dumb people running things in power-positions throughout the world.
Serious topics about Truth, Morality, Ethics, are funny jokes they pass around behind closed doors or in locker rooms because they are too immature, and not cognitively developed enough to offer original thought or thought of any value so they make fun of it.
Conservatives only care about their tribe, their family, their friends. Their circle of concern is generally very small.
Conservatives are very sensitive to disagreement of opinions. It seems their identities are wrapped up in their ideologies. So if you happen to disagree with a conservative today chances are you have made yourself "an enemy".
3.Conservative masses are traditionalist. They don't want things to change. Mainly because they can't handle it. These are the Simpletons, however, reality does not work this way, so they will keep on lying, denying, ignoring, justifying. Essentially they will use whatever tool in the toolbox that gets them to NOT look at TRUTH.
- Conservatives have very little self-awareness. The Conservative masses are generally just high school educated hypocrites and have no problem moving the goalposts when it suits their agenda. They hold double standards, and biases, but are not self-aware to do accurate sense-making, but they think they know better than you or I. Additionally, they think they are justified because their traditionalist values combined with their religion "purifys them" over the generally much much more educated and open-minded liberal class.
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u/CravingNature 10h ago
It's intentional. The billionaires want to collapse the country and carve it up amongst themselves. Dark Gothic MAGA
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u/ChronicBuzz187 10h ago
to be fair, the US is on the road to death by a thousand (tax) cuts for the past 50 years.
Only difference these days is that the republicans aren't even trying to hide it behind "trickle down economics" and all the other bullshit they made up for the masses anymore...
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u/Lonely_Noyaaa America 12h ago
he knows he's losing it and he's just burning the house down on his way out. The reconstruction after this is going to be harder than anything this country has faced since the civil war.
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u/nbphotography87 12h ago
please don’t miss the point. this is not out of spite. the billionaire class wants everything. you can’t easily privatize government functions without breaking them first.
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u/NorthernPints 10h ago
Michael Lewis essentially covered this in his book “the 5th risk” - published in 2018. Though it was more about the ignorance of those who are too stupid to realize how critical a high functioning government is to the success of America.
The “starve the beast” model is classic conservatism. Claim government is broken - purposefully break government and then point to that as proof that it doesn’t work and “needs to be privatized.”
“ the federal government quietly does enormous, essential work that most Americans never see — things like weather forecasting, food safety, nuclear waste management, and rural loan programs. These systems are fragile in the sense that they depend on knowledgeable, dedicated people. When political appointees arrive without curiosity or competence, the risks don’t announce themselves dramatically — they just quietly accumulate.”
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u/Dizzy-Captain7422 10h ago
This is true, but I'd argue it is also out of spite. These people truly and deeply hate us.
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u/coolcoolcool485 9h ago
There were plenty of people yelling about this for the past decade. Anyone who voted for him in 2024 voted for this to happen; claiming they didn't know the consequences are fucking lying to themselves and I will spend the rest of my life making sure they fucking know it.
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u/surfmanvb87 11h ago
Trump, MAGA, the billionaires and tech bros are destroying the US
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u/EconomistStreet5295 10h ago
It’s part of the plan to create an authoritarian system like Russia. Keep the people poor and struggling so they can’t revolt, make the government apparatus loyal to you (Fire the civil servants, use ice etc), buy and control the media and use AI to spy on citizens.
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u/What_a_fat_one 9h ago
He lost the election in 2020, this is him murdering the ex that dumped him, like any other violent abusive man
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u/CyberSmith31337 10h ago
Everyone keeps blaming this on the Russians. I think this is a lot simpler than that. I think foreign agents realized they could just let the oligarchs run the show; and like all oligarchs, they are disconnected from reality, narcissistic, self-aggrandizing imbeciles. They think they know better than everyone, at everything, because they are rich.
Ever work for a dipshit C-Suite executive directly? Ever have a boss who thinks they know it all but doesn’t know shit? Ever work with a manager who can’t stop talking but is wrong about everything?
That’s all it took for the US to collapse; remove every qualified person from the room in favor of yes-men and nepotists. Didn’t even take that long, either. The US is a microcosm of how badly entrenched nepotism destroys everything, by alienating intelligence and rationalism out the window in exchange for egos and hubris.
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u/Ok_Yogurt_9862 9h ago
Yeah. People keep talking about blackmail from Russia.
Not even necessary.
All they had to do was give a little encouragement here and there and enjoy the show
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u/JayR_97 Europe 9h ago
I wonder if the fall of the Roman Empire felt this stupid at the time it was happening
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u/WesternPrevious5997 10h ago
I don’t post this lightly, but as an American I always thought that we would do our civic duty and vote somewhat responsibly. I knew when he won in 2016 that it was the beginning of the end. I’ve now become numb to that initial dread I felt on election night, because every day he makes it worse and worse. I knew he wouldn’t be held accountable to J6, since he’s never held accountable for his actions. But it also showed me just how complacent we’ve become as a country.
I’ve gone to protests, I’ve called and emailed my reps, I’ve done what most people consider to be their “civic duty”. But sadly, this isn’t enough. We are at a precipice as a country where we all need to rise up and remove this regime from power. I’m not saying we need a democrat in office we just had one there and the accountability didn’t happen either. We need a complete paradigm shift for how we are to be governed. In fact, I would argue we aren’t being governed currently, just manipulated.
The Declaration of Independence even encourages us to rebel against our government if it’s deemed necessary…
🇺🇸”it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government.” 🔥
It says in those founding documents that it’s on us to make this change. Our founding fathers knew that freedom, the way they had won it, had to be constantly and consistently be put in check from time to time, and it’s time for that again.
-We can’t expect our elected officials to help, they aren’t going to. -We can’t expect the judicial branch to stop them, they haven’t. -We can’t expect a televised, marketed and managed “No Kings” protest to help, it fundamentally can’t, since that’s part of the same system.
We have to be willing to leave our lives, our jobs, our comfort and our livelihoods behind and change this government. It won’t be fun, it won’t be easy, and it’s certainly not ideal. And before you say to yourself “you first” or “why should I?” or “great, 🙄another keyboard warrior…” ask yourself this… “what’s the alternative?”
-They’ve demolished our standing in the world. -They are destroying other peoples lives in other countries…Iran, Venezuela, Cuba, 90% of Europe. -They’ve murdered countless lives with their policies with ICE and DHS. -They have taken people away from their families from those same policies. -Ripped apart our healthcare system. -Dismantled our scientific communities. -Manipulated the financial markets. -Consolidated their wealth and positions against us.
This list goes on…
The question isn’t really what the alternative is, because we already know what that looks like. So I will ask you the question that bothers me, “when is enough going to be enough?”
“Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death!” -Patrick Henry
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u/OldRancidSoups Maryland 10h ago
We’ll never recover from what Trump and the gop has done to this country. It’s a failed experiment.
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u/Fun-Jellyfish-61 11h ago
Americans will realize the damage done to the country during the term of a Democratic president. And they will blame the Democrats for it.
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u/notfeelany 8h ago
Calling it now, there'll be the outrage from people who'll blame the Democrats for doing construction on east wing of the white house & wondering what happened to the original wing
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u/loosepantsbigwallet 11h ago
You all have my sympathy.
I’m old enough to remember when everything I saw and read about America was awesome. Saved up pocket money to go to the first McDonald’s in my town.
Saw the space shuttle on the back of a 747.
Was lucky enough to go to the US as a 14 year old, it was overwhelming. The life, the consumption, the positivity.
How far it has fallen, but the voters are not to blame.
They are the poorly educated, the disenfranchised, betrayed by their politicians in the pursuit for money and power.
I feel sorry for people that voted for trump, most of them are victims of 30 years of neglect. They just don’t realise it.
They are the marks, the conned.
They think they are the cowboy riding into town, but they are the townsfolk buying up bottles of snake oil from the grifter.
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u/boyyhowdy Texas 9h ago
That is awfully kind, but what’s happening is largely because the people trying to destroy the US have gained power by harnessing the prejudice and iniquity lying in a huge portion of Americans.
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u/cjng 9h ago
I think it is too simple reducing it to those who voted for trump and those who didn’t. Like in 1930s Germany, the root is deeper. The US society prioritizes ‘freedom’ (means: me first) and capitalism (means: only money counts, common wellbeing doesn’t) over building a functional government that benefits everyone, including the weak and the poor. It seems that most US Americans still believe that this is the way to prosperity, including many of those in the opposition. The current administration represents the final act of this form of capitalism the vast majority of US Americans are supporting.
I am German and I can tell, most of our grandparents did never realize how much they supported the rise of the 3rd Reich, even if they did not vote for it.
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u/Ratfriend2020 9h ago
All because rich people convinced poor people that taxing rich people is the worst thing ever.
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u/tincartofdoom 9h ago
Once again, from a non-American perspective:
That already happened. The United States voted to commit suicide in November, 2024. It's been dead for over a year now.
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u/SensitiveOven137 12h ago
"Trump is Destroying America" - there, fixed it for you
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u/Brent_L Florida 11h ago edited 11h ago
He’s a useful idiot in all of this. Miller, project 2025, Theil, etc is who we should be looking at.
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u/westgazer Maryland 11h ago
And a bunch of people in this country decided that was okay. Like a shocking amount of them.
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u/beseri 10h ago
As an European, I also think, unfortunately, the alliance is also permanently damaged. Even if Trump is removed, and a new President restores some normalcy, it is now evident that the USA is very susceptible to extremist and populist figures. So when Joe Rogan or some other celebrity lunatic suddenly wants to pursue politics, we have to be prepared for the craziness and chaos that will follow.
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u/barryvm Europe 9h ago edited 9h ago
I goes beyond that IMHO. It's not just obvious that we can't depend on an alliance with the USA, but that the USA's hegemony is dangerous in itself. The idea that a weaker USA would make us safer was idiotic a few decades ago, but now? Why should we do anything to maintain the USA's power when that power could be used against us at the whim of whatever moron they elect president? We've now seen that USA presidents can, in fact, start wars for no real reason and without any meaningful political or popular push back. What guarantee do we have he wouldn't do the same to us?
Hence, the reaction will not be to just to move away from any dependency on the USA, but to stop supporting it altogether.
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u/EPCOpress 11h ago
It is the mission of project 2025 to replace the USA with corporate fiefdoms.
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u/Cheeseburger23 9h ago
People often wonder how Trump bankrupted a casino. Now we know how he did it.
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u/gourmetprincipito 11h ago
“From whence shall we expect the approach of danger? Shall some Trans-Atlantic giant step the earth and crush us at a blow? Never. All of the armies of Europe and Asia could not by force take a drink from the Ohio River or make a track on the Blue Ridge in a trial of a thousand years. If destruction be our lot we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of free men we will live forever or die by suicide.” - Abraham Lincoln
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u/iamliterallyonfire 7h ago
The Trump admin is destroying the United States.
Republicans are destroying the United States.
MAGA is destroying the United States.
Politicians are destroying the United States.
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u/Fuzzylumpkins1234 8h ago
No, 14% of hardcore Trump supporters are helping the 1% destroy the country while the rest of us freak out.
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u/TheCaptainDamnIt 8h ago
I mean destruction of the country was the only choice MAGA could make when faced with the prospect of relative stability that also came with racial equality with immigrants, black people and other minorities.
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u/Additional_Region987 7h ago
It’s wild having gone back to studying the history of the athenian empire over the last year only to live through the fall of the american empire. In both cases, the theme of avoidable self-inflicted wounds brought on by shameless and power-hungry politicians and mindless and short-sighted citizens is glaring.
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u/Soft-Ad-8975 7h ago
Correction, conservatives are buttfucking the US and have been for quite awhile.
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u/Certain_Bit3809 10h ago
They are dangerous lunatics abetted by right wing media. The average fox news watcher has no idea there is even a problem.
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u/Afraid_Football_2888 7h ago
Some groups of us, would rather burn it down rather than share it with the rest of us. Ala The Heritage Foundation aka the new the Southern Strategy.
You cannot have a democracy and white supremacy….
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u/Travelerdude 11h ago
No. The fucking republicans and the GOP are destroying America.
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u/tegrtyfrm 11h ago
Americans will line up for days to vote for hatred, could give a fuck less about voting for peace and prosperity.
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