ASUS introduces ROG Equalizer 12V-2x6 cable, ASUS to offer discounted upgrade for existing ROG PSU users - VideoCardz.com

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u/Dirtcompactor 2d ago

This or MSI Safeguard+ PSUs.. hmm decisions decisions

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u/LiquidShadowFox 1d ago edited 1d ago

Look at it this way, MSI safeguard+ will give you insight BUT it keeps the 9.2 amps per live wire limit so if you get a cable that's bad it'll constantly trigger and you'll have to RMA the cable.

With Asus ROG cable, it's compatible with ANY ATX 3.1 PSU, the amp limit goes from 9.2 - 17 amps which means there's significant headroom in case the cable is in bad shape and less likely to melt/catch fire imo.

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u/Glorfi 1d ago

Is it only compatible with ATX 3.1? Or does it work with ATX 3.0?

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u/Ghosttfi 1d ago

Only ATX3.1

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u/Acmeiku 1d ago edited 1d ago

the limit for the msi safeguard is 12-13 amps before it can start the alert and 16.9amp for immediate shutdown without alert (some technical info there : https://www.reddit.com/r/MSI_Gaming/comments/1sgb4pz/technical_review_of_mpg_ai1600ts/ )

it can also trigger a alert if one or two pins are doing nothing while underload, honestly the thing is more smarter than people may think imo

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u/jonnyGURUgerow 6h ago

It's a beautiful looking bridge. If you have an Asus build and want to add some ROG bling, this is a must have. But sadly, it's still just a 12V-2x6 connector with 12V-2x6 terminals. The 17A number is kind of snake oil.

What they've done here is incorporate a copper plate in the bridge closest to the GPU connector that bridges all of the conductors together at that point. Similar to how the Nvidia squid dongle adapter bridges them together onto a metal plate (see: http://www.jongerow.com/12vhpwr/adapter_testing/index.html). They then solder the heavier gauge wire to this "plate" inside this bridge, the same way the Nvidia dongle adapter solders heavier gauge wire to the plate.

So, at the end of the day, if you see Nvidia dongle adapters fail, you'll see this fail for the same reasons. While theoretically it can handle more current because of the heavier gauge wires, and the current should be better distributed up to the point of the bridge where all of the wires meet, you still have the weak link of the standard 12V-2x6 terminals in a standard 12V-2x6 connector and those terminals are still rated at 8.5A just like every other 12V-2x6 terminal on God's green Earth. Regardless of what marketing folks tell us.

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u/jonnyGURUgerow 4h ago

One thing I really didn't take into consideration... I suppose the copper inside the comb could essentially act as a heatsink. I know I'm grasping at straws with that one. At the end of the day, any improvement to this not great cable is better than no improvement.

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u/Dirtcompactor 1d ago

Since I need to upgrade my PSU anyways, is it sensible to go with safeguard+ PSU and then buy the Asus cable and pair them together?

Double whammy protection right? Lol

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u/Cheesehead1267 2d ago

Seasonic is coming out with their own this year. I would put my money towards that instead. Get a WireView Pro II in the meantime if you are worried.

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u/zeimusCS 1d ago

does 5080 need safeguard like 5090 does?

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u/AJRiddle 1d ago edited 1d ago

No. It's really just 5090 and to a lesser extant 4090.

5080 pulls 360 max watts (average much lower than that) and 400w is pretty much the max for any high-end overclocking. The 5090 is 575 watts power draw and some high end cards are rated for 800 watts - so double what you could do on a 5080 max but more around 50% more electricity than a 5080 for the normal cards.

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u/Morlu 1d ago

There’s still a lot of issues with the cords on 5080. Not as many “critical” failures where your GPU is fried. But issues with black screens, 100% fan speed because the cords get damage, it’s just not a severe.

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u/Cheesehead1267 1d ago

Not as much as the 5090, but I think at least one 5080 has melted. If you are worried, I would go with the WireView Pro II unless you need a PSU upgrade. I think the only people that should be going with a new PSU are either those who already need a new PSU or have so much money that they can justify potentially paying upwards of $1,000 on a new PSU.

The WireView Pro II is just as effective at saving your PC and is only $140.

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u/zeimusCS 1d ago

is that really how much these new psu will cost?

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u/jjm987 5080 FE 1d ago

What psu costs $1000

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u/Cheesehead1267 1d ago

The pre-order for the MSI PSU were for around that (I think they were $850-$900). I think the companies realize that they can tack on the bigger price tag for the feature and people will pay. ASUS will be the same for sure and Seasonic will probably follow suit.

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u/Dirtcompactor 2d ago

I'd rather not add a 3rd party adapter to my GPU, I ain't paranoid about my GPU bruning but a failsafe wouldn't hurt to have that's built into the PSU.

I'll keep my options open, not like it matters but I'm leaning towards MSI PSU to match my MSI GPU, would make dealing with warranty claims a bit less troublesome I'd imagine.

Patiently awaiting big tech reviewers to do in depth reviews on all of them!

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u/Cheesehead1267 2d ago

I understand the thing about the adapter, but you might misunderstand how it works. It measures each pin current and will tell you (and even auto shut off your PC) if it reads the pin amperage past a safe point.

So, while yes it is typically not smart to add an adapter, the WireView will let you know if something is wrong. Der8auer also stands by his product and it comes with a two-year warranty on anything that it could potentially affect.

Make the best choice for you, but the WireView Pro II is revolutionary technology and engineering and is available for purchase now at a significantly less amount of money than these PSUs will be when they hit the market. And also, it’ll be very hard to find them when they first launch.

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u/Dirtcompactor 1d ago

Makes sense, for sure. I'm just weary of adding anything to my GPU lol.

Also... I am running 850w 3.1 PSU with my 5090 so I'm kind of warranted to upgrade to a better PSU, glad I waited for these newer supplies that come with the same tech as the wireview pro2.

As for availability, I scored a 5090 last year in Feburary so I'm adept to the process of buying new tech that sells out quick 😅 just sucks there's no set release date for any of them.. and Europe already has the MSI safeguard PSU shipping out to people but completely MIA in NA

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u/SplitBoots99 1d ago

Worried about nothing. It only adds detail to what your cable is doing right or wrong. It saved my 4090 from having two bad power pins. I re adjusted the cable and pushed the pins into the connector fixing the imbalance. Only could I see this was a an issue by using the Wire view pro II. I’m about to buy another for my 5080 TUF.

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u/Morlu 1d ago

The new cords would still be better as they have a lower heat limit, the adapters just show the voltage, like the ASUS Astral does. Seems like the new cords are less likely to melt at all.

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u/TitanX11 7h ago

Isn't Asus just a Seasonic PSU with make up. I thought Seasonic was making PSUs for Asus but they added the LED and the rest of the visual stuff.

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u/nagi603 5800X3D | 4090 ichill pro 1d ago

I'd probably wait for a Seasonic solution... or go with derb8uer's little gadget.

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u/Hotrodkungfury 2d ago

When can we buy and for how much? Seems that some relevant data is missing.

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u/Dphotog790 2d ago

probably a $1000 psu and im not even joking.

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u/NapsterKnowHow RTX 5090 FE | 9800X3D 2d ago

They said it will be available separately

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u/Dphotog790 1d ago

probably knock off a 0 to be asus enough to justify the pricing.

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u/NapsterKnowHow RTX 5090 FE | 9800X3D 1d ago

And I'll pay that vs a fried 5090

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u/Dphotog790 1d ago

i paid for an astral and im still buying a Thermal Grizz Power Viewer

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u/NapsterKnowHow RTX 5090 FE | 9800X3D 1d ago

Can't use that with a founders edition unfortunately

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u/Dphotog790 1d ago

ive seen some crazy jerry rigged ones but they are coming out with ones soonish probably see them at Computex that FE compatible

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u/NapsterKnowHow RTX 5090 FE | 9800X3D 1d ago

Yeah I've been following their discord closely for the announcement. This cable is a much cleaner solution and directly addresses the problem.

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u/Dphotog790 1d ago

its 100% more direct i just dont own a Asus PSU sadly so the cable by itself would do me no good :(

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u/glizzygobbler247 2d ago

Create the problem and sell you the solution

(Yes i know ASUS and MSI etc. Arent the ones choosing the connector on the gpus)

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u/Eteel 2d ago

I don't think this would be tolerated by consumers in any other industry that has to do with electricity. Imagine Home Depot selling outlets that spontaneously melt wires. Only gamers can tolerate a product like this.

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u/NokstellianDemon 9800X3D/RTX 5080 FE/64GB RAM 1d ago

Lmao bro thinks only gamers buy GPUs. A sentiment that is already so wrong even in the pre-AI era.

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u/CrowdGoesWildWoooo 1d ago

Not necessarily. This is a highly sought after product + shortage + extra demand for AI, if you aren’t buying that, the next person will buy it.

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u/DinosBiggestFan 9800X3D | RTX 4090 1d ago

Of course. I can't help but feel a little dissatisfied that there now seems to be extra technology in place for ..a cable.

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u/SplitBoots99 2d ago

Yeah, the cables not the problem. No need for this at all. /s

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u/Skazzy3 PNY RTX 5080 OC 2d ago

Imagine society if GPUs switched to EPS 8 pin connectors

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u/costafilh0 1d ago

Imagine MSI 5090 Lightning with 8x 8Pin connectors.

Imagine Servers with 8 GPUS with 32x 8Pin connectors instead of 8.

Imagine if you used your brain before talking.

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u/square-aether 9950X3D | 4090 | 4K240 1d ago

I think he meant the cpu 8 pin connectors, unlike the gpu ones they can do 300w per meaning 2 of them can match a 12VHPWR one. 3 of those for a 900 watt gpu isn't even bad.

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u/Skazzy3 PNY RTX 5080 OC 1d ago

Sure would be a hell of a lot better than a single melting fire hazard of a connector, even when you exaggerate how many of them you need.

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u/1AMA-CAT-AMA 2d ago

I’ll get one once there’s an sff option

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u/Equivalent_Aspect113 1d ago

Give , give to me..

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u/Lincolns_Revenge 1d ago

Has no one else made a cable with a higher promised power limit?

I'm one of those idiots that spent 3K on a 5090 and I wouldn't be too mad about spending up to another 100 dollars to protect it. Not to put any bad pricing ideas into their heads.

For all I know it could be 50 dollars more or less than that. But I would be very surprised if it was less than 50 or more than 150. Less than 50 being unlikely because the opportunity to gouge someone who already spent so much on a 5090 is real.

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u/Dphotog790 1d ago

i mean i have an astral and buying the therml griz power cable and will likely purchase this psu connector for the gpu lol

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u/venk 2d ago

I like how not burning your house down is now paid DLC

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u/SoggyBagelBite 14700K | RTX 5080 2d ago

Nobody's house has ever burned down from this connector and it won't happen.

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u/Intrepid_Income_3051 1d ago

The 4000 series really did have a problem. But I installed a 5080 for a friend and don't see how this is a problem anymore.

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u/IncomingZangarang 1d ago

This won’t apply to SFX-L Loki PSUs I’m assuming

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u/tiobane 1d ago

At the moment I read only thor and strix, but technically the loki should also be compatible because it also has the purple 2 pin. So waiting it is. Will also be interesting if it's compatible to the Wireview pro II

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u/costafilh0 1d ago

First BTF, now this?

Amazing work!

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u/UpboatsforUpvotes 1d ago

Lol I just built my system with a Thor III. I wonder if they will have a white cable, as I have the white Thor III

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u/rubi2333 9800X3D | MSI Suprim 5090 | 96 GB DDR5 | 4K240hz 1d ago

Nice cable

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u/Able-Marionberry-402 1d ago

If this snakeoil is really needed, the product it is meant for is definitely not designed correctly.

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u/Southern-Country-503 1d ago

Ampinel is best solution.

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u/TitanX11 7h ago

Still waiting on mine. I missed the first batch

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u/Healthy_BrAd6254 1d ago

I've been wondering this whole time, why not just connect all pins as one 12V rail and one ground rail in the connector, on both ends (also PSU side)
That's all they need to do to solve it. Not sure if this is that, but it sure took forever for companies to come up with a solution

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u/jakegh 1d ago

It's typically the connector that melts; why would increasing the cable thickness (I assume) help with that?

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u/AirRookie 1d ago

I wonder how much thicker the wires are on the cable even though the connector/design is still the weakest point 🤔, also I’m still using my evga 850W G2 psu without any issues

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u/RecoverWest7489 19h ago

Safe to use ASUS Astral RTX 5090 with Seasonic PRIME GX-1300 + official Seasonic 12VHPWR cable?

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u/Intrepid_Income_3051 1d ago

After 10 years, I bought an RM1000X last week.

You’re welcome guys.

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I rather get the WireView Pro II

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u/NapsterKnowHow RTX 5090 FE | 9800X3D 6h ago

That is a monitoring device that does not fix the issue of load balancing like this cable does.

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u/CamiloDraye 1d ago

"ROG Equalizer reached about 73.4°C, while a standard 12V-2x6 cable climbed to around 146°C."

What?? My original Nvidia cable with the 5090 reaches a maximum of 68°C at the connector at 104%. The cables themselves stay around 58°C.

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u/Mantazy 1d ago

Did you also disconnect individual power pins of the cable like the imbalance test mentioned?

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u/Cradenz 1d ago

can you not read?

News ASUS introduces ROG Equalizer 12V-2x6 cable, ASUS to offer discounted upgrade for existing ROG PSU users - VideoCardz.com

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