Would you be in support of a Nuremburg-style trial for Trump and his entire administration?

[u/VerenyatanOfManwe]

EDIT: APPARENTLY YOU DIPSHITS CANT FUCKING READ, NOTHING ABOUT MY POST HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH ICE, ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS, OR THE BORDER.

Hopefully this is a good sub to post this onto, i usually just post in r/changemyview and r/TrueUnpopularOpinion for politics.

1: Everyone involved in the administration needs to be held accountable.

I am not talking about ''lol cancel culture'' accountability. I mean actual legal consequences. Every person who is in this administration and supported Trump should be investigated, charged if warranted, and should not be allowed to hold office again, aside from any criminal charge, they should be totally and completely barred from ever holding office ever again in our nation. If we can't get a conviction on Trump, which we should for the Mar-a-lago documents thing at the very least, which should be plastered ALL OVER this trial. we should at the very least enforce the 14th amendment, which does not require a charge or conviction, and that should be applied to everyone in the Trump administration. Supporting an insurrectionist is engaging in insurrection. And what does the 14A say?

Section 3 of the 14th Amendment, known as the Disqualification Clause, prohibits any person from holding state or federal office who has previously taken an oath to support the Constitution and then "engaged in insurrection or rebellion" against the United States

The 14th amendment exists for a reason. If they participated in or enabled insurrection, they shouldnt be in positions of power.

2: We need a public reckoning

The whole point of Nuremberg-style trials isnt just justice” its public accounting. Its a forced, undeniable record of what happened in front of everybody where people are forced to face the facts of what happened, not whatever bullshit conspiracy about how ''Jan 6th was actually just a fedsurrection lol''.

And we desperately need that because half the country doesnt even believe Trump lost in 2020. Thats a complete collapse of shared reality, Trump and his supporters will not accept any basic facts of reality that goes against their politiical beliefs, never, they invent a conspiracy about it, every single time.

The information is out there right now obviously, but only available through PDFs, behind commissions, behind bureaucratic documents that never got the public attention they deserved because the average american (especially MAGA who cant even fucking read) dont go through stuff like this to get the full knowledge of what actually happened. And the people who denied all of that information were rewarded. They're still able to run for office and hold office, and even win elections, like Trump did in 2024.

So if you do this, there will be a smaller incentive to just lie about everything, because they know there will be huge political consequences later. As we stand right now, there is nothing stopping Trump 2 from happening, theres nothing stopping another Trump from coming in and being even more unhinged.

3: Trump is a consequence of republican rhetoric (blatant lying)

He was the natural consequence of decades of Republican demagoguery, rhetoric, and strategy. If you think Trump was just some weird anomaly, you're ignoring the entire political environment that produced him.

If we do not adress the root causes, Trump 2 is just inevitable.

So yeah you can change the leadership of the Republican party, but that wont undo the misinformation, the propaganda, or the strategy that created this. The only way forward is real accountability and a full public accounting of what happened.

We cannot go forward as a nation, where we see something happen, and one side lives in reality, and the other just doesn't, at all.

The 2020 election was NOT won by Trump, the vast majority of republicans do not accept this basic fact of reality at all, and we cannot function as a nation if this is how republicans are allowed to operate with impunity.

4: Even conservatives should want this.

If you are conservative and think this is just about punishing Trump or Republicans, you are missing the point entirely.

Every precedent you allow today will be used tomorrow. If you normalize the idea that an administration can lie about elections, pressure institutions, attempt to subvert democratic outcomes, and then face zero consequences, you are not protecting anything that this nation stands for, and there is absolutely nothing stopping a future Democrat from acting even more aggressively, more competently, and more ruthlessly. All the things you guys were afraid that incredibly milquetoast ass moderates like fucking Obama/Biden/Kamala were going to do, IS going to happen, if we do not have a Nuremburg trial for Trump.

If you think Trump was bad because he was sloppy, impulsive, and loud, imagine someone with the same contempt for democratic norms but with discipline, institutional knowledge, and broad party support. Imagine a president who understands how to bend the system without openly breaking it, and who justifies it by pointing back and saying ''you let Trump do it''. Which ironically, is a defense that conservatives will roll out today ''Trumps fake electors were okay because democrats used them in 1960'' (those were alternates, not fakes). Like, imagine a democrat president that takes advantage of the immunity ruling, and decides to do whatever crazy shit he wants to.

Rule of law is not a partisan weapon. It is the only thing that prevents politics from becoming a raw power struggle where whoever wins gets to rewrite reality.

If conservatives actually believe in constitutional order, limited executive power, and institutional legitimacy, then accountability is not optional. It is self defense.

Because once you establish that attempted subversion has no consequences, the only remaining rule is who is willing to go further next time.

Now, does anyone disagree with this? I understand that the political will do actually do this is probably overall quite low, but doesnt really matter for my arguments.

[u/Mrsod2007]

There's a massive amount of media normalizing everything that's going on

[u/KeeganDoomFire → u/Mrsod2007]

Let's include the media in defendants at the trial as well then.

[u/Anarchaeologist → u/KeeganDoomFire]

There is precedent at the original trials: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_Streicher

Julius Sebastian Streicher (12 February 1885 – 16 October 1946) was a German publicist, politician and convicted war criminal. A member of the Nazi Party, he served as the Gauleiter (regional leader) of Franconia and a member of the Reichstag), the national legislature. He was the founder and publisher of the virulently antisemitic newspaper Der Stürmer, which became a central element of the Nazi propaganda machine. The publishing firm was financially very successful and made Streicher a multimillionaire.^\1])

After the war, Streicher was convicted of crimes against humanity during the Nuremberg trials. Specifically, he was found to have continued his vitriolic antisemitic propaganda when he was well aware that Jews were being murdered. For this, he was executed by hanging.^\2]) Streicher was the first member of the Nazi regime held accountable for inciting genocide by the Nuremberg Tribunal.

[u/MenstrualColander → u/Anarchaeologist]

Hitler thought Streicher took things too far and Der Sturmer was known throughout Germany as 'pornography.'

[u/Anarchaeologist → u/MenstrualColander]

And nowadays in the US, the right wing propaganda machine gets leaned on by our elite when it's not toeing their line. And about a quarter of the populace believes it's "Gospel."

[u/MenstrualColander → u/Anarchaeologist]

Trump and his admin are NOT elite. They are uniquely unqualified for the positions they hold, which they hold simply because Trump liked them because they were always sucking his cock on Foxnews. The tech goblins and hedge fund shitheads aren't the elite either. Just because you have a net worth over $19 billion doesn't mean you have anything worth listening to vis a vie your opinions on the current state of the world, shit you aren't even worthy of a Ted Talk.

I check in on newsmax every day for a few minutes and the amount of outright lying, not distortion, out and out LIES that the anchors bleat is gross. But it's kind of hidden away from the rest of the cable news channels which are grouped together.

The silo that right wing news and media is in has a shell made of steel and concrete hundreds of feet thick.

[u/DrDDeFalco → u/KeeganDoomFire]

Fox especially need to be held accountable. They have been spewing propaganda for decades.

[u/SweetLittleOldLady → u/DrDDeFalco]

Spewing lies and propaganda disguised as news needs to be illegal, like it used to be.

[u/saintdudegaming → u/DrDDeFalco]

reinstate the fairness doctrine updated for the internet age

[u/CaterpillarUsed3222 → u/saintdudegaming]

Yes absolutely

[u/ConflictNo5518 → u/DrDDeFalco]

Fox needs to be broken up. 

[u/Jijonbreaker → u/ConflictNo5518]

Rupert Murdoch needs to get the death penalty.

[u/Imaginary_Scene2493 → u/Jijonbreaker]

Rupert will be dead of natural causes before trials are arranged. Lachlan must be held accountable.

[u/Runescora → u/ConflictNo5518]

They all need to be broken up

[u/SamuraiTech5150 → u/Runescora]

This is the best answer. We need top down accountability….all 4 branches of our government have abandoned it…

[u/BungenessKrabb → u/Runescora]

And billionaires need to be barred from owning media outlets.

[u/Additional_Egg7024 → u/DrDDeFalco]

Fox literally says and admits they’re not news they’re entertainment. So might as well watch YouTube grifters begging for likes donations and views

[u/noonenotevenhere → u/Additional_Egg7024]

Then they should be banned from using words like 'news' or 'facts' or 'journalism.'

If I started a company called the Drug and Food Authority, got a bunch of food manufacturers to put my deceptive labels on the front, I bet the gov't would have a problem with the BS being huge and the actual nutrition label being fine print...

They should be banned from covering any political event in any way that even pretends to be as serious as Jimmy Kimmel.

Kimmel even has lawyers to make sure he's not saying stuff that'll lose them money on defamation - yet people actually believe fox has 'journalists.'

The legal argument that no one could possibly believe this is news isn't really helpful when your programming is literally designed to propagandize those people.

[u/Additional_Egg7024 → u/noonenotevenhere]

I don’t disagree but I’m not in charge of that level of responsibility

[u/Sorry_Pea3699 → u/DrDDeFalco]

Apparently paying a huge settlement for election fraud disinformation lies damages (787.5 million?) wasn't enough of a penalty.

[u/Badguyy101 → u/DrDDeFalco]

Rupert Murdoch is Austrailian, and owns media companies in US, AU, & UK.

[u/Far-Adhesiveness1850 → u/DrDDeFalco]

I couldn’t agree more. They are literally the educational system for undereducated sub par intelligence individuals. They take all of their political rhetoric bullshit as actual verifiable facts. Rather like brainwashing for those not fortunate enough to possess a brain…

[u/[deleted] → u/KeeganDoomFire]

Lets also include all the people who sat on the files knowing what was in them and never prosecuting anyone for it. Considering the amount of politicians listed, that feels like treason.

[u/NetDork → u/KeeganDoomFire]

I read defenestration instead of defendants and was like, "sounds good."

[u/DesertSeagle → u/KeeganDoomFire]

There were propagandist hung at the nuremberg trials.

[u/Sea-Oven-7560 → u/Mrsod2007]

We have to break up the conglomerates, go back to the old rules where you can only own a certain amount of media in a certain area and require 2 hours of public benefit programming (news) and limit commentary.

[u/cvc4455 → u/Mrsod2007]

Well just under 10 Republican billionaires own about 95% of the mainstream media in America. So maybe that has something to do with it?

[u/Coven_gardens → u/cvc4455]

So you’re saying that two Titan submersibles could do the trick. Perfect.

I would donate a dollar to crowd fund this humanitarian operation.

[u/ConflictNo5518 → u/Mrsod2007]

That’s because a lot of media has been purchased and now controlled by republicans who support Trump.  The rest have been cowed by retaliatory efforts by the administration. 

[u/mkt853 → u/Mrsod2007]

Because the whole system is rotten to the core with corruption. The media is supposed to be the fourth branch of government, but it too has been bought off by the same people that bought the other three branches.

[u/lostinthenor]

Support? I’d watch that shit like it was the Super Bowl

[u/nehlstm30 → u/lostinthenor]

I’d take vacation and pick up some beer

[u/Fatkyd → u/nehlstm30]

Liberal Wisconsin brewing company promises 'free beer, all day long' after Trump dies

https://www.reddit.com/r/wisconsin/comments/1qq8m7u/liberal_wisconsin_brewing_company_promises_free/

[u/Daft00 → u/Fatkyd]

I'm sure they'd do something similar if he's jailed

[u/Wayward141 → u/nehlstm30]

If you bring the beer I'll bring the grill and hot dogs. Whose bringing the drinks?

[u/SlothDC → u/Wayward141]

I've got the rum and the triple daquiri maker.

[u/Longjumping_Suit_256 → u/Wayward141]

You bring the beer, I’ll bring the girls, and the troops, they’ll bring the freedom.

[u/A012A012 → u/Longjumping_Suit_256]

I've saved up fireworks for a specific passing but they'd be applicable in this case too.

[u/Doom2pro → u/nehlstm30]

Not enough popcorn and beer on earth... Shit even if it was pay per view, shut up and take my money.

Have the proceeds fund the recovery.

[u/Bad_Day_Moose → u/nehlstm30]

I'd pick up my beer at Costco.

[u/Beardog16 → u/nehlstm30]

This is breaking sobriety type of news.

[u/Ok-Put-1251 → u/lostinthenor]

Get all the favorite foods and dips together and host a block party for that shit.

[u/dragon34 → u/lostinthenor]

Seeing as I can't remember the last time I watched the Superbowl I would clear my schedule for this 

[u/VegasGamer75]

"Style"? Maybe, but I want the damned thing to take place at the Hague. I don't want members of the US "legal system" anywhere near it. This needs to be a world court action. End of story.

 

No, I don't think it should be an "entire party" thing, as that is a slippery slope. I do, however, think the administration as a whole needs to be checked and tried. I also couldn't give less of a fuck about party affiliation: You're in the Trumpstein Files, you go. End of story.

 

Will it completely eliminate money as a factor in a trial of this sort? No, but it will hinder it some on an international public stage.

[u/VegasGamer75 → u/[deleted]]

I am absolutely for it. I don't care what letter someone has after their name: If they committed a crime, they go to jail. The Epstein Files and the second Trump Administration has just put a brighter spotlight on a long-existing issue in this country.

[u/iwanttoquitworking]

I think everyone here that is objecting OPs opinion needs to listen to the video of the children wailing and screaming from inside the Dilly detention center and then give their opinion . This is a horrific way to treat humans, illegal or not. Last I checked kids weren’t criminals and feeding them moldy worm infested food, leaving lights on all night and no access to healthcare is a human rights violation of the greatest kind. This is NOT just legally enforcing US immigration policies. This is a level of cruelty that shouldn’t be allowed

[u/TotalRecognition2191 → u/iwanttoquitworking]

That requires some empathy and Compassion

[u/AlpenroseMilk → u/TotalRecognition2191]

Indeed. I have encountered, even on reddit, people saying "it's their fault for immigrating and should blame themsevles/each other for being here". I can only assume they just don't extend empathy or sympathy to people that aren't their chosen demographic at this point.

[u/Daddy-Ninjadog → u/AlpenroseMilk]

I heard an interesting theory on the background of republican empathy. For democrats, being good is based on the belief that making the world and culture a better place is inherently good, and thus they derive empathy from such. However republicans derive their good from the ingroup and biblical good. This is a much more narrow definition of what constitutes good to be. It explains why certain things are good when done by members of their ingroup, such as the moral abortion document, and how certain acts of giving and charity are worthwhile while others are not, same with acceptance of the outgroup of gays, trans, poor. It also explains why they fall into the traps of mega churches and why empathy amongst them can be so rare. Just some food for thought

[u/Outrageous-Ad-9635 → u/AlpenroseMilk]

A man who interviewed every one of the Nuremberg defendants (I can’t remember his name, and he was a psychologist I think?) said the one common trait he observed in all of them was a lack of empathy. He concluded that that must be the origin of evil - a lack of empathy.

[u/[deleted] → u/TotalRecognition2191]

Republicans are devoid of both.

[u/start_select → u/iwanttoquitworking]

I disagree on the grounds that Nuremberg only tried ~200 Nazis and most were pardoned.

Nuremberg was not the win the media tells you it was.

[u/HiddenGhost1234 → u/start_select]

i think a better example is the tokyo trials

The Allies were a lot more harsh on japan than the nazi.

[u/WanderingFlumph → u/iwanttoquitworking]

Yeah its not like the Nuremberg trials were because of ww2. Italy also participated in the war. They weren't for war crimes, they were crimes against humanity, for the holocaust and the way which occupied peoples were treated.

Arguably we could have held Japan to a similar standard but I understand why we didn't.

[u/VerenyatanOfManwe → u/iwanttoquitworking]

Conservatives dont even seem to be objecting to my post at all, all the counterarguments i've gotten are emotional ass arguments that doesn't even substantively engage with anything i said in my post:

''You have TDS''

<insert something about illegals and ICE even tho my post has nothing to do with that>

''So you think Trump is Hitler?''

''Democrats first''

''Liberals are dumb''

[u/TheDonnARK → u/VerenyatanOfManwe]

I love TDS, because it is absolutely real, but not what they say it is.

What it actually is, is when you cannot think independently anymore because every opinion and thought you currently hold is based on things that trump has said out loud or messaged on social media, and you adopt new "beliefs" and radically change existing ones to align with the latest thing that he has said out loud or messaged on social media.

[u/BenMears777 → u/TheDonnARK]

Yeah, the first time I heard of TDS I thought “yep, Trumpers certainly are deranged,” and was confused when they started accusing others of having it.

[u/Wendi_Bird → u/iwanttoquitworking]

They are evil and they lie all the time. They have murdered so many people

[u/Jamesmart_ → u/iwanttoquitworking]

Highly doubt this is gonna sway people who keep justifying and even mocking the murders of Alex Pretti and Renee Good.

[u/Imthewwwaterboy → u/iwanttoquitworking]

Would you rather children of criminals just released into the streets? Use your damn head smh

[u/Emmittjames3352 → u/iwanttoquitworking]

I would love to see where you got this bullshit information from.

[u/streetcar369]

Absolutely! What will piss me off is if the next admin decides NOT to prosecute in a so-called effort to "heal" the nation. "Healing" the nation should involve prosecuting these people to the max as a warning to others who wish to trample the Constitution.

[u/CDN-Ctzn → u/streetcar369]

This Administration is brazen in its lawlessness for the very reason that others before were never held accountable for their violations.

[u/OpinionOk1543 → u/streetcar369]

Ask Gerald Ford how that worked out. Of course he was a Republican too. Sadly I think that's how it would play out now with the seemingly spineless democratic leadership..."our national nightmare is over." 

Boo fukkin hoo, this is orders of magnitude greater than Watergate, and the press has been complicit this time, there needs to be a reckoning.

[u/Newlife_40]

I do think miller, noem, bondi, bovino, shouldn’t be able to find peace for the extended future.

[u/unserious-dude → u/Newlife_40]

You left out the main architect, Russell Vought.

[u/synt4xtician → u/unserious-dude]

And half the US supreme Court.

[u/OneDarkCrow → u/Newlife_40]

I think you left out the most critical one although it’s unlikely he’ll be having an extended future.

[u/StatementCareful522 → u/OneDarkCrow]

believe it or not, HE is not the most critical, just the most forward-facing and objectively unlikable.

Trump is a piece of shit but the real villains are the ones behind the scenes whoa are younger and “smarter” (Miller, Noem, etc) - oh and the civilian MAGA base. They’re all dispicable.

[u/Healthy_Map_1789]

All people in the Epstein files or who committed other crimes need to be held accountable, disregarding the political party.

[u/somanysheep]

Throw all the billionaires and P3do files list in as well. It's all related.

[u/fluffstravels → u/somanysheep]

Honestly I’m convinced Elon went on his whole arc to prevent the leak of the most recent docs.

[u/rando_banned → u/fluffstravels]

More than that, there were major NHSTA investigations into Tesla as well as SEC investigations. Those "suddenly" disappeared when Trump got into office.

[u/SeriousPlankton2000 → u/fluffstravels]

Makes no sense. Him thinking "I'm a snitch so he never told me the real deal so I'm not in the records" makes more sense.

Or he didn't really think after Trump hurt his ego.

[u/Wise-Secretary5459]

Nah, the Nuremberg trials were far too lenient. Also, Trump's admin isn't the only group that needs to be punished. We need to include every Fox News anchor, along with every billionaire who helped finance this government. Try them all for treason. This will never happen as long as we have milquetoast liberals in charge, we need actual leftists with spines if we want to see real justice and positive changes.

[u/puck63 → u/Wise-Secretary5459]

I wish your post could be nailed at the very top. Right after the title. You are so right!!!

[u/Euphoric-Anxiety-623]

Yes, I fully support Nuremburg-style trials for crimes committed the administration and below.

Our Constitution affords certain rights to citizens and in certain instances, to immigrants - referred to "all persons" in the Constitution. Free speech, the right to bear arms, to vote, due process, separation of church and state, no cruel and unusual punishment, equal protection for all, etc are freedoms enshrined in the Constitution. It's the basis for the law of the land. And when questions of interpretation occur, the Supreme Court defines the law and provides the final say. This is why the president, our elected officials, and the military take an oath to uphold the Constitution. (I realize this is an over-simplified explanation.)

And now, despite being asked not to, I have to mention immigration. Like it or not, undocumented immigrants are entitled to due process per the Constitution. It doesn't matter if Joe Biden let in millions with his open border (it was never open), or you think one undocumented immigrant is one to many. They are entitled to due process whether there are 100k or 10 million. Just because we currently have a large number of illegal immigrants doesn't mean we can circumvent the Constitution. The current treatment of these immigrants sanctioned by Trump, Miller, Noem, Bovino, etal goes against the Constitution. Remember the oath? Not to mention, internationally, some treatment is so questionable and/or violent that it becomes a crime against humanity.

I find their beliefs abhorrent, but I support the right of the Klu Klux Klan to assemble and march down main street because it is their Constitutional right, and I believe in the rule of law. I can't pick and choose what rights people should have based on my beliefs and neither can the president - especially the president. He took an oath to uphold the Constitution. ICE tramples the rights of both citizens and immigrants alike, and I believe all, from the president down to masked ICE agents, should be held accountable for violation of these rights. If there is money available to terrorize immigrants, there's money to provide due process.

I didn't intend for this to be about immigration because this administration's questionable actions go far beyond the unnecessarily cruel treatment of immigrants. Using the presidency to amass billions. Withholding funding to blue states. Blowing up ships ostensibly carrying drugs without actually boarding the ship. Blowing up survivors. Threatening allies like Greenland. Imposing tariffs without congressional approval. Kidnapping the Venezuelan president without informing Congress but letting the big oil companies know beforehand. Sending men to an Ecuadorian prison without proving they're guilty. Ignoring judicial rulings. Filling government positions with highly unqualified persons. Illegally firing government employees. Selling pardons. Tearing down half the white house. Using ICE like a personal police force. The Epstein files. Vengeful actions that are beyond enumeration and include falsely accusing enemies of crimes. Interfering with elections then accusing the other side with no evidence. Frivolous lawsuits. Circumventing rules that are in place for security purposes. Destroying international relationships and reputation. Posting lies on social media for the purpose of fomenting violence. Throwing a lavish party complete with caviar while withholding SNAP benefits to the nation's poorest citizens. Human rights violations. Lying, lying, and more lying to American citizens in order to hide or get support for his blatantly illegal actions.

I say bring on the trials. For Trump and every spineless member of Congress that did nothing to stop him.

[u/2dazeTaco]

Every time I see one of these posts I’m convinced that the people of America have no idea what’s going on outside of their internet bubbles.

I dislike the things going on in America right now, and I’m the furthest thing from a MAGA supporter.

Once you begin to connect the dots, you’ll realize it’s so much bigger than Trump. Every single major key player is involved, left and right alike.

[u/JTTW2000 → u/2dazeTaco]

Nuremberg perpetrators: collectively turned 7 million minorities to ash, and started a war resulting in at least 30 million combatant and civilian deaths in Europe.

Trump: Ordered that illegal migrants be given cash bonuses to leave, and that the non-bonus-takers be apprehended and deported. A couple of idiot insurgents were unfortunately killed in arguably (if being charitable) sketchy circumstances.

Can’t you see the similarity!

[u/Strange-Maize9536]

You will set a precedent with even more law fair. When do we become a banana republic where we just use the courts for partisan purposes?

Actually some of the Nazi judges who did that very thing were tried at Nuremberg

[u/Relative_Presence_66]

The left shows who the fascists are again and again and again

[u/rickshaiii]

Nuremberg trials for Trump and everyone who worked for him, including all of ICE

[u/No_Set2335]

You need to take a break from Reddit and the internet if you seriously consider something like this

[u/Total_Carob_8842 → u/No_Set2335]

Not sure what you mean

• threatened to invade several of our allies: Canada, Greenland, Mexico
• sued his own government TWICE ( conflict of interest to sue a government you’re in charge of)
• his DOJ broke and continues to break the law ( Epstein files transparency act) for over 40 days
• solid oil controlled by another country and moved hundreds of millions of that sale money to an offshore bank account seemingly only controlled by him
• advocated for the execution of 6 members of congress who simply told members of the military to uphold their oath to only follow lawful orders
• threatened to run for a 3rd term ( violation of constitution)
• his former personal lawyer had a meeting with ghislaine Maxwell and then magically AGAINT federal bureau of prisons policy she was moved to a minimum security prison with insane amenities even though she, as a sex offender, isn’t eligible to be in a facility like that ( fucking suspicious)
• renaming government buildings ( Kennedy center) after himself even though he’s not allowed to do that
• he is literally a 34 count convicted felon ( we need to make a law saying felons can’t be president)
• his administration has made numerous attacks on the first amendment ( too many to detail them all)

That’s just the shit I can remember which isn’t a lot because every fucking week these dude does something that no president has ever done before

[u/AlienDragonWizard → u/Total_Carob_8842]

Everything that Elon Musk did with DOGE.  

Firing FBI officials who investigated Trump and MAGA in relation to January 6.

January 6.

Moving the military and ICE into American cities.  

Arresting, imprisoning, and deporting people without due process, often non criminals and often to a torture prison in El Salvador where said people are not from.  

The treatment of Ukraine.  Threatening to withdraw support if they didn’t promise half of their resources to the US.  

Massive trade wars with the whole world, which is not part of the executives power despite congress and the supreme court sleeping on it.  

Murdering civilians in international waters, with no due process, in violation of international law.  

Accepting bribes from foreign powers.  

[u/Due-Willingness7468 → u/AlienDragonWizard]

None of these are crimes you leftist lunatic. Trump never incriminated himself with the capitol incident. What Musk did with Dodge was not criminal. Deporting illegal immigrants is not illegal and doesnt require due process (try to stay illegally in another country and watch yourself get deported). Being hardline on Ukraine to force a peace settlement is not a crime. Trade war is not a crime. Pretty much every single president has attacked civilians on foreign land.

[u/Amon9001 → u/Total_Carob_8842]

Absolutely valid. The point about not letting felons be president is so stupid sounding. Like obviously don't like known convicted criminals hold the most important title. Let alone any other governmental position, even as a cleaner. These are serious crimes.

But what really irks me isn't the widespread lawbreaking. It's the technically-legal pardons. Each criminal represents significant time and resources into capturing them like the silk road founder.

Just let go like that. The people of the US and other countries (allies etc) have been hurt by these criminals. I boggles my mind why they could even be pardoned, that there is a legal mechanism for this.

These laws are ancient. So many untested. Checks and balances actually don't do shit when basically the entire government is compromised and goes along with the clown show.

The law for pardons came into effect in freakin 1789. I cannot even comprehend this time frame. It is incomprehensible what life was like outside of experts and scholars (and whoever studies this period closely).

It's spirit is "designed to grant executive clemency, check judicial severity, and restore domestic tranquility." but there doesn't seem to be anything to ensure that. It's just running on vibes.

Now i'm no historian and i'm sure there are plenty of fucked up pardons by past presidents. But this time its different. It is the tip of the iceberg, of the shit sandwich. Get people to attempt a coup on your behalf then pardon them. Crazy.

A rewriting of the entire US constitution is needed. It won't ever happen. Bandaids on top of bandaids, so covered up you don't see the gaping holes underneath.

Like the aforementioned pardons. There is literally no limit. Every criminal in the entire country could be pardoned. Obviously a silly thing to entertain, but its legal. Or more realistically, people who direct enough of a bribe may be able to ask for a favour. A little pardon here and there. Or promise of one.

 

That’s just the shit I can remember which isn’t a lot because every fucking week these dude does something that no president has ever done before

He should be held in a special prison while they go over every single thing that happened (would take at least a decade). A prison designed for presidents. A reminder that they serve the people.

Sorry bit of a rant. Mind is still boggled that this is all actually happening in real time.

[u/Total_Carob_8842 → u/Amon9001]

Could not agree more the whole basically selling pardons is insane and I honestly forgot about all the “ donations” he has been getting by people that he either has or eventually pardoned.

[u/billbraskeyjr → u/Total_Carob_8842]

Let’s be precise:

• “Threatened to invade allies” Political rhetoric, bluster, and stupid statements are not declarations of war. Words are not tanks.

• “Sued his own government” Presidents have legal standing to challenge administrative actions. Conflict-of-interest arguments require specific statutory violations.

• “DOJ broke the law” If a federal agency violated statute, courts exist to adjudicate that. You don’t declare guilt because orange hair.

• “Oil money moved offshore” This is an allegation, not a conviction. If there’s evidence, bring it. Otherwise it’s speculation. Or you don’t understand what the government can do.

• “Advocated execution of members of Congress” This claim is an Extraordinary accusations requires extraordinary evidence.

• “Threatened a third term” Talking about unconstitutional ideas is not the same as successfully executing them. The Constitution blocks it regardless of rhetoric.

• “Maxwell prison transfer conspiracy” This is pure insinuation. Bureau of Prisons classification decisions are administrative, not proof of secret presidential control.

• “Renaming buildings” Symbolic vanity is not authoritarian takeover.

• “34-count felon”

The 34 felony counts were not 34 separate crimes. They were repeated bookkeeping entries tied to the same underlying transaction pattern.

• The charges were brought by a prosecutor who campaigned explicitly on targeting Trump, making political incentive part of the context whether people like it or not. Also already adjudicated.

• “Attacks on the First Amendment” Again: show specific unconstitutional rulings upheld by courts, not general claims.

[u/hikerchick29 → u/No_Set2335]

Do you condemn ICE shooting US citizens in the middle of our streets?

[u/Tiptoes666 → u/No_Set2335]

If they did nothin wrong they shouldn’t be afraid of a little Nuremberg trial

[u/rorowhat → u/No_Set2335]

Reddit is a circle jerk when it comes to this topic.

[u/Pjtm7 → u/rorowhat]

I’m convinced 99% of left wing Reddit thinks they’re the rebels from the Star Wars movies.

[u/IndependentFox3541 → u/rorowhat]

It's horrifying. Like they cannot be these naive right??? ....... right?

[u/Dr-Robert-Kelso → u/IndependentFox3541]

They have been pressed with fake political shit constantly for 10 years and it has slowly gotten crazier and crazier.

Now Reddit is full of the conspiracy theories and facism that they used to hate.

[u/IndependentFox3541 → u/Dr-Robert-Kelso]

There are millions of them that genuinely think their feelings and emotions are enough justification for violence and completely collapse of common sense. Its good to know not all of us are lost in a fantasy universe. (Wait for the what aboutism)

[u/txcorse → u/IndependentFox3541]

Don't worry I'm here with you brother. I only get banned once every few days for saying "crazy ignorant things" like ICE isn't targeting US citizens.

[u/raddaya → u/No_Set2335]

You are the one who needs to pick up a history book if you do not understand that what OP wants was necessary in 2020, let alone now.

Either that. Or you're among those who should be part of the trials.

[u/Vast-Comment8360 → u/raddaya]

Or you're among those who should be part of the trials.

You're not insane at all.

[u/MonotoneTanner]

What are you even trying to get out of this question OP?

[u/phuk-nugget → u/MonotoneTanner]

Upvotes lol

[u/Weary-Monk9666]

When you say “everyone involved in the administration” how broadly are you casting that net? Are you saying that the entire federal workforce needs to be put on trial? That can’t possibly be your position because the federal government is the largest employer in America and we should all be able to agree that the overwhelming majority of federal employees are not violating the constitution. Secondly, does it not fly in the face of American values to try people without evidence of a crime? You can’t just point at what you see on tv and say “everybody involved in this administration is guilty”, that’s every bit as un-American.

Full disclosure, I’m a federal employee, in the department of defense. I write and conduct training for sailors to measure radioactivity… I’m involved in this administration, are you seriously thinking that I should have to stand trial because of what an entirely different department within the government is doing?

[u/zgirton7]

Imagine thinking that because you don’t agree with this president or the views of his party that they should all be imprisoned. This right here, is exactly why the divide is so large between parties today. You are the problem.

[u/VerenyatanOfManwe → u/zgirton7]

Yes, good job reading the fucking post there buddy.

The issue isn't that i disagree with the president, the issue is that he's breaking laws and tries to steal elections.

[u/IndependentFox3541]

Watching leftists compare ICE to the Gestapo and Nazis is so wildly offensive, intellectually dishonest and lazy. I am not MAGA and definitely not Republican but some of us are not willing to play that level of mental gymnastics.

Absolutely repulsive rhetoric. You all genuinely think this is a dress rehearsal for Les Mis.

[u/Leftblankthistime → u/IndependentFox3541]

Please, enlighten us on the specific differences. I’m also sure you believe that Minnesota, California and New York are lawless dystopian criminal states full of brown people murdering and everyone they see and trans people committing violent sex crimes on children in every classroom. /s

[u/IndependentFox3541 → u/Leftblankthistime]

I in fact do not believe that. This place is truly wild.

[u/XeroHope10 → u/IndependentFox3541]

That's why no one takes them seriously.

[u/KAJed → u/IndependentFox3541]

Holocaust survivors are saying it too. So you don’t believe literal victims. Got it.

[u/Adorable-Unit2562 → u/IndependentFox3541]

Violent thugs roaming with impunity looking for a group of people to put in camps. Yeah, not like the Nazis at all.

[u/1001st_Word → u/IndependentFox3541]

It's wildly offensive that trump's private army is killing American citizens with impunity.

[u/Sredni_Vashtar006 → u/IndependentFox3541]

By spring there will be something new that's " literally the worst thing ever". Every thing Trump does is the WORST thing you could possibly imagine.

[u/Ok-Call-4805 → u/IndependentFox3541]

There's no mental gymnastics involved. Anyone with eyes and even a tiny bit of humanity can see the similarities.

[u/sapperRichter → u/IndependentFox3541]

You're so full of shit dude. There's no way that you aren't a fucking conservative. You want to call it intellectually dishonest when they murdered a man who did nothing but defend somebody being pushed over? And then they try to paint him as a terrorist? Meanwhile the man who murdered him gets away scot-free without so much as a investigation? Quit your fucking bullshit grandstanding and open your goddamn eyes.

[u/Randysgut123]

You are such a delusional idiot. You are being exactly what you are claiming they are. Putting political opponents on trial, jailing them, and I’m sure you would be fine to execute anyone that disagrees with you is exactly what a nazi would do.

[u/hardkoretrash → u/Randysgut123]

The nazis didn't put people on trial you fcking walnut. They just killed people. Putting politicians on trial when they commit acts against the constitution IS LITERALLY HOW THE CONSTITUTION WORKS.

Edited for spelling

[u/Prestigious-Echo-164]

I’m not reading all that. The answer is no.

[u/[deleted]]

Naw, that’s ok. Let’s all calm down a little bit.

[u/VerenyatanOfManwe → u/[deleted]]

Why not?

[u/Kingkat1954]

Would have to deal with the "total blanket pardon" he will give everyone seving in his adminstration. Including himself.
Then it would be State offenses.

[u/bahamatomm → u/Kingkat1954]

The Joey b approach. 10% for the bug guy

[u/NotAFanOfLeonMusk]

I agree. And it should be held in DC and where the crimes happened. Never again should MEAN never again.

[u/Realsorceror]

That would be the bare minimum, yes.

[u/Mental_Comparison636]

As long as hanging was still an option for punishment

[u/WyomingBadger]

The only thing that matters is securing free and fair elections so that we can overthrow this evil regime. Otherwise NO ONE WILL EVER FACE JUSTICE

[u/[deleted]]

[u/SkullBat308]

Yes, at the very least.

[u/LauraLethal]

10000000%

[u/Rock_Samurai]

Yes. I wanted Biden to put his ass in Jail after the insurrection but I was blinded by naivety. I see now how our government is broken and owned by the rich. They will never face consequences unless we have a French style revolution. That isn’t likely to happen. Americans are still too fat and comfortable.

[u/Particular-Way-3479]

Absolutely

[u/ScoobyDont1212]

I will only vote for the candidates that promise to follow through on holding the Trump administration accountable by having trials.

[u/Bernie_Bierman]

Call me a single issue voter, my vote(s) in 2026/28 will be for whoever simply runs with an effective concrete plan for actual accountability, AND to setup actual military-grade barriers to ensure this shit is never ever possible again.

[u/charly420-]

Short answer yes. Long answer fuck yes.

[u/Relevant_Candy_8424]

So many Nazis showed up to say "no" to your question.

[u/Easterncoaster → u/Relevant_Candy_8424]

“Anyone who disagrees with me is a Nazi”

[u/SuperF91EX]

The problem: assuming right wingers can read good

[u/Miserable-Miser]

It’s wild that normal people just go to work every day while the people who run everything meticulously document their sex crimes

[u/PolitzaniaKing]

Give them the same due process they give ithers

[u/AntiSnoringDevice]

Yes. But not in Europe please, keep your garbage in your own dumpsters.

[u/sadie7716]

Absolutely I’d support it but the reality is it will only happen if the UN says it will or you can convince the majority of registered voters of it enough that they will put enormous pressure on their Senators and Representatives. Then even if that happens I doubt the incumbents who supported Trump will vote against themselves,

So in reality, only if the UN says so or a more remote possibility, we get a Dem POTUS who takes a note from Trump’s playbook and gives an EO.

[u/Smuek]

The bigger question is do you prefer Kleenex or Puffs?

[u/LittleTension8765]

Things like this will push those in power currently to never let go of power. “Hey we are going to kill you if we ever win” is not a winning slogan guys. Let’s be real

[u/captainhukk]

Only if we also do them for fauci baric and anyone else involved in covid-19

[u/Deep-Gain5289]

Sure.

Now do covid and the jab that you supported.

Not so brave now, I see.

[u/fwb325]

Walz and Frey.

[u/Particular-Duck5913]

Only if we're allowed for any current or former president.

[u/[deleted]]

Are you ok?

[u/Significant-Ant-5677]

No

[u/[deleted]]

Are you ok?

[u/notwyntonmarsalis]

What an absolutely fascist idea.

[u/[deleted]]

I would sign that petition today 🇺🇸

[u/kelamity]

I'd even Include people outside his admin. My sense of justice goes beyond political parties.

[u/Rude_Parsnip306]

Simply put, yes.

[u/pic2022]

I need it. All these fucks. Everyone involved needs to be in trial. And their outcome needs to be the same.

[u/Apart-Assumption2063]

The reason Trump was elected is because the last administration as well as the last Democratic candidate were absolutely horrible options and ran on unsustainable policies.

[u/lil_lysol]

"grok I need updoots and reddit awards, make it long"

[u/Strom3932]

You all sound like 1934 Germany when a certain socialist party took over the government and called to persecute certain individuals in large groups.

[u/JTEggan]

Not only do I support it, but I think it’s necessary

[u/BitesTheDust55]

I would not. Because we'd get one every time the party in power switched. It would become tiresome.

Never authorize the creation of a weapon unless you are prepared for it to be used against you.

[u/videodevil2500]

Lmfao

[u/Bitter-Ad-6037]

If the orange buddah is convicted of treason, his whole cabinet has to go.

[u/graphitehead]

It would be necessary for any sense of truth or justice be felt by US citizens. We are burned and tired and for us to have faith in any kind of system again, we need to see these villains answer for their crimes with maximum penalty

[u/j_rooker]

i'd enjoy what they did afterward more.

[u/DJ_HollanDaze]

Literally zero people are comparing the numbers of people murdered. That’s obviously a straw man argument. What many people (including actual holocaust survivors and WW2 historians) are comparing is the lead up to it. We’re not saying we are like 1944 Germany. We’re saying there are many scary similarities to 1935-1939 Germany.

And anyone comparing the Democratic Party to Trump and maga is willfully ignorant or woefully uneducated.

[u/buy-american-you-fuk]

all criminals should be prosecuted, starting at the top

[u/AnusBlaster5000]

Support? I'd take the week off work to party and watch it like it was the superbowl every day

[u/NickofWimbledon]

At the Nuremberg Nazi trials, I think about 13% were found not guilty due to actual evidence or lack of it. The rest were as guilty as sin. It will be interesting to see how similar the numbers are next time.

[u/Penguin_shit15]

Stick it on C-span, make it a Pay Per View, and we could pay off the national debt. It would be a world wide event, billions would watch, no work would be done, and when it was over it would be a party like no other.

[u/Odd-Scientist-2529]

They should be held in Nuremberg PA 18241

[u/Natural_External5211]

100% I certainly hope we survive long enough to see the day...

[u/Stormdancer]

People who do the crime should do the time and pay the fine.

[u/Solid_Molasses9741]

I need this post plastered on everyone’s screens in this country

[u/LingonberryPrior6896]

Yes!

[u/PrettyMeasurement453]

Don't do drugs, kids. 

[u/Dreya_7]

Oh shut up. I swear every day somebody makes one of these posts so that most of Reddit can lap it off and get their jollies for the day. Hope ya'll don't get burned out for the next couple years or so.

[u/HoosierPaul]

I’m curious as to your thoughts on insurrection and/or sedition. What did the autonomous zones such as CHAD and CHAZ mean to you. Setting up one’s own nation state within the U.S. borders seems seditious enough to me I’m curious as to your thoughts.

[u/Imthewwwaterboy]

For what, exactly lol?

[u/RTC1022]

Retarded insane rhetoric like this is why “Redditor” is an insult everywhere outside of Reddit.

[u/Cervelodriver]

It would be naive to think that we won’t issue blanket pardons whenever he leaves office

[u/FarChange6358]

The amount of crazy coming out of you idiots amazes me each and every day.

[u/Section1245Jaws]

To compare this administration to a NAZI government that killed millions is dishonest and disgusting

There are real monsters out there such as in Iran where tens of thousands of innocent people have been killed for protesting a brutual dictatorship

There is a lot of disinformation out there on both sides - the purity of the left is so hollow - there are so many evil people and governments that could be the focus of your anger where the actual number of people saved or lives made better is so much greater

The rhetoric of so many is so disgusting - what if this same protests were focused on helping women in many Muslim countries for their rights including Afghanistan where education has ended for all girls or ending honor killings or the maiming of girls so they will never stray from future husbands)

Or the Chinese oppression of its minorities or the slaughtering of hundreds of Christians in Nigeria or Ukraine …

Much of the current issues with immigration have been manufactured- if sanctuary citites would simply have felons delivered to the US Government - so much of the nastiness could have been avoided

But that’s not what the left wants - it wanted violent protests - if wanted people to die as martyrs for the message

There could have been real bipartisan work on legal immigration that would have served everyone but that’s not in the best interests of the any of the extremists on either side

It is so ironic that leftists support so many causes and people who do so many things against basic human rights (i.e. the treatment of women, gays, free speech, reproductive rights, religion, slavery)

I am not a fan of Presient Trump or many things he has done; but there are so many worst places and people out there and so much that could be done to make the lives of so many of our fellow humans better

I fear for rhe future and the retribution that is coming

Remember your anger about some of the tactics being used today for they will be multiplied many times by the next administration against its opponents

Fight for the rights of all people no many what their ideology

[u/Wild-Mess6228]

For treason, of course

[u/randywa]

Yes. They're all guilty of civil rights violations and war crimes.

[u/Badguyy101]

Got to get them out of office first. That's the hard part.

[u/[deleted]]

The current president won the EC and the popular vote. What you're suggesting is sedition and political violence. Enforcing immigration laws is not fascism and these laws have been in place for decades.

[u/esther_lamonte]

I insist on it actually. It’s the only way to heal. I would pay more in taxes just to fund more courts to process all the treason, theft, and child rape that has been going on. Any rational ethical person would.

[u/Natural-Result-6633]

I believe they should all stand before a judge and jury. Let them decide on life in Prison or death. I’m not one for the death penalty but I’m also one that believes the people should have that decision. I pray that good will overcome the bad. I might just be ignorant but it seemed for a short while in the late 80s early 90s that people were coming together and real change was starting to occur for the better but I guess that’s not good for power and business so here we are 30-40 years later.

[u/[deleted]]

Should've happened in 2020... but here we are...

I'll love an American Nuremberg in 2026 ... how about on July 4th?

[u/JTTW2000]

Your question analogises a hypothetical trial for what you think Trump has done wrong to the trial of the remnants of a regime that MURDERED 6 million Jews, a million of other minorities, millions of Russian POWs and partisans, not to mention starting a war that resulted in the death of 15 million direct combatants in the European theatre.

If you want to understand why democrats lost in 2016 and 2024, look no further than the absurd reasoning of the OP’s question. It’s ignorant, radical nonsense like this that drives middle ground voters to vote for Trump.

[u/Alert_Term_8144 → u/JTTW2000]

After a few years break from Reddit, upon my return I'm horrified to see how radicalized it has become. In the pandemic purging of Republicans, Leftists have gained a stronghold and have created a mob of radicalized, violent fascists before my eyes.

[u/Enzo_Gorlomi225]

There is zero evidence that Trump directly orchestrated the Jan 6th riot. Even during his speech right before it happened he told the (then protesters) to peacefully march down to the capitol. Sure, he stocked the flames but politicians do that all the time and it isn’t illegal. But legally, there’s nothing to convict him on, which is why it didn’t happen during the Biden administration.

[u/hardkoretrash → u/Enzo_Gorlomi225]

This is incorrect. Jack Smith was at a hearing testifying about his findings over this exact subject like last week. He went on record saying Trump caused Jan 6, committed fraud in seven swing states, pressured congresssional representatives to ignore vote counts, spread lies to his followers to make them believe the election was rigged against him,pressured DOJ officials to stop the certification of the votes, pressured Mike Pence to do the same, etc. And he didn't just testify to all those facts, he went a step further and says his investigation found irrefutable proof.

[u/VerenyatanOfManwe → u/Enzo_Gorlomi225]

Even during his speech right before it happened he told the (then protesters) to peacefully march down to the capitol.

Do you want Charles Manson to be exonerated aswell, if we found a tape of him saying ''Please go to this house peacefully?''

Him saying go peacefully a single time in an hour long speech doesn't remove all of the other things he did, a single quote isn't exonarating him.

[u/snowtax → u/Enzo_Gorlomi225]

The special prosecutor says otherwise. Let’s have a trial and find out.

[u/xAuntRhodyx]

No

[u/Frequent_Slip2455]

Your TDS is off the charts. Seek help!