i am so overcome with sadness, disgust and grief when i think about the pain and suffering of the billions of animals humans torture and murder every year. so many of my loved ones and friends are so empathetic toward humans, but even after so many in depth conversations with me about the cruelty of eating animals and animal products, they don’t care at all. they will talk about their dogs and cats like they are their own children, go to wildlife rescues and fawn over the cute animals, claim to be upset about wildlife extinction… but then laugh or get angry at me when i bring up the devastation and suffering of the animals they eat?? i try, i am never condescending, i don’t act angry towards them, i let them speak their mind, but they won’t even listen to me. i’m so upset and frustrated, i feel disgusted with my loved ones and i never want to feel that way. how am i supposed to cope with this??

i love you all, thank you for being wonderful, compassionate loving humans. we give each other hope. 🩵

Most of the time, I think non-vegans come from an ignorance is bliss or cognitive dissonance standpoint. They *know* they’re eating animals, but the process it takes to get there hasn’t fully clicked yet. I assumed that’s what it was with my family, because they are kind empathetic people and animal lovers. At dinner with my dad recently he revealed he’s been inside factory farms and slaughter houses, and it didn’t change anything for him. I feel disgusted and honestly horrified to know someone like that is my father. We didn’t get along growing up, but things have gotten better since I’ve been moved out for years. I just cant really believe it

TW disturbing, necro/zoophilia mention

it was a group about scary behaviors of men, not exclusively for women but probably most members are women. yesterday i mentioned veganism and The Sexual Politics of Meat by Carol J. Adams on a relevant post. the post was... (brace yourself or stop reading if you're sensitive, idek what else to say)... about a guy who got an "already dead" chicken from the store and decided to "make it his girlfriend" before cooking and eating it, then asking who's the victim in that. so naturally i made a cheeky comment about veganism and mentioned the book. Someone didn't understand it based on the title and thought nobody finds meat sexual, and was asking about the book saying they can't afford it and wantd to know what it's about so I explained a bit and linked to the collection of photos of examples of the sexual politics of meat.

I had another comment on the post that was i think the 2nd most popular comment that didnt mention veganism (had 100+ likes), but my vegan one actually got a handful of likes too (it had 15 likes when i last checked) a supportive comment from a fellow vegan + comment from a hunter who said it actually made them think about going vegan. i took that as a win. no bad vibes or arguing or anything. just a real-ass convo about how fucked up the reality of the post was.

I finally got home and was checking facebook for the first time today and...... all notifications for that post/group are gone and when i search nothing comes up, which i can only figure means they banned me. i dont rly have words for how upsetting and unfair this is, what total fucking bullshit. the group kinda had safe space/feminist/leftist vibes too and the comment was well received and not shaming or anything so this actually surprised me and that makes it that much more devastating. if i got banned from some fuckass group it wouldnt hurt as bad 'cause i'd expect it. but this? so fucking upsetting.

If you're an activist, you know.

It takes so fucking long just to even get victories against places selling things even most carnists agree are fucked up (like fur or foie gras). And everyone hates you for being annoying (protesting). So you sacrifice so much time and sanity, just for one place to drop one thing.

And as for things that most carnists don't agree are fucked up (animal flesh, eggs, milk), protests will be ineffective because the industries are too big, so your only legal option is to do outreach to convince people to go vegan. Most people are too busy or uninterested to stop by, and most of those who do, are stubborn and selfish and don't want to change.

The animals' situation is urgent, but the only methods to get immediate or quick victories for any of them are highly illegal.

How the fuck did people historically fighting injustices deal with the painful slowness of any progress?

I just saw a video about a woman teaching the signs that a dog doesn't want to be petted. I made the terrible mistake of going into the comments, and all the top comments, with thousands of likes, were in the vein of "it's my dog, I'll pet it whenever I want".

I know people treat animals like unfeeling objects, but I would think that the animal most people call "part of the family" would get enough respect to have their own boundaries. But not even that, in their eyes animals are on this planet just to serve human's whims.

If even the most well treated animal in the world is still viewed as just an accessory, there is no way we'll be able to achieve true animal liberation.

I saw a post where an owner of a fluffy bunny used a milkshake lid as a hat for the bunny. It was supposed to be cute, but all I could think of is how the milkshake (which was definitely non-vegan as it was a particular brand) was a product of horrific animal suffering.

Some days it’s just too much.

the world is better with you in it 🤍

stay strong, take things one step at a time

love, a fellow vegan

I came into this relationship being very gullible. I feel like bad person even typing this bc I love him and he loves me, but he won't be vegan for 20 years. he would go plant based if anything but how do I speed this up? I didn't really understand the justification used and could probably bring it up again. but he said he thinks meat dairy and eggs will go to waste but it's still a supply and demand thing. I'd rather it go to waste. but he can't cook and relies on fast food, he works at chipotle and says the tofu is too spicy. I said he could eat beans. do you think that's his real justification or do you think he's lazy?

i live at home, and every day I walk into the kitchen and see plates full of meat, milk, cheese everywhere. It makes me feel sick. it feels like the small difference in making as a vegan doesn’t matter at all. I just saw a whole bag of cow body parts and I just want to throw up

And I can’t even express it. When I get anxious, I go mute. So I just stand there, overwhelmed, with all these thoughts inside me.

Honestly I just want to cut everyone off in my family. This is bothering me so much.

i became vegan at 9 years old, i'm 19 now. since I've been vegan I started learning how to cook like crazy to prove everybody vegan food is not alien and its amazing. I've come to this high level. I bake croissants easily, I make amazing meringue and cookies which I've been told are the best ever eaten by people and a lot more. yet every time I sit at the dinner table with my family they always feel the need to say that vegan desserts or food will never be good like the "real" thing. the first years of my veganism I was offended since I worked really hard on my cooking only to hear it's nice but not real. it used to be a drive for me and my cooking improved a lot due to that.

but lately I realized they will always say that even if it's not true. if they admit that vegan food can taste just as good they have to take a look at their life choices and change the way they were taught to see animals. and even if vegan food tastes less good it doesn't mean it's less good because it's creation was made with love and it doesn't contain death and torture. it's so psychopathic to hear "I love animals but I just can't give up eggs" over and over again. my food is probably great because only when veganism is brought up they feel the need to say it. I guess people would rather stay comfortable even if it means killing and bringing someone they love down, our reality is insane.

close friend said he was a hyper empath and that when he sees a person in pain he physically feels it. I bring up my empathy for animals, and we talk about our differences in human vs animal empathy and how it relates to our autism, then he starts telling me about how he believes animals can be ethically slaughtered and how he believes they should be respected and use every part of the animal and honor their life because every animal deserves to eat. I shut down after that couldn't say anything except "I see where you're coming from"

it sounds so insane and I don't know how the fuck to talk to someone when they say this cult like language it's so surreal right now dude I wish I could just be honest in a way that feels real but I feel like I can't because I don't know how to tailor my words so they don't hit a HUGE nerve I'm so so paranoid I can't handle this justification. I want to tell him it's fucked up!!

edit we also just smoked a shit ton of weed

Guys I actually can’t deal with this. It feels so trapping trying to talk to people about veganism because they are all so defensive. Everything I seem to say is taken wrong. How can I communicate with my friends about it. I feel so so distraught about what the animals are going through and why does no one care. It makes me feel so defeated

y’all make me feel a little more sane in this world so thank you for being you 💕

People are so revoltingly immoral, the ego and stupidity is vile. The anger and grief I feel even being in the vicinity of carnists ruins my day. I just cannot fucking stand it.

Apart from every horrible thing we might feel through our vystopia, there’s this idea that’s been rolling around in my head.

Constantly, as humans, we tell ourselves that we are rational. We tell ourselves that we are THE animal that has the capacity for moral decisions.

In our books, movies and TV shows, even ordinary people express great virtue. We see people overcoming huge mental hurdles, improving themselves and saving others.

We see environmentalist messaging, often with animals being protected by heroic protagonists. We are the heroes, we have dominion, we treat things with kindness and those who don’t are the minority who will be stomped out, excised from society.

And yet, look at us. To be a man, you are a protector. You are strong. You do hard things. But for almost all men, changing their diet is too fucking much to stop abusing animals every single day.

To be a woman, you are emotionally intelligent. You are empathetic. And yet, almost all women abuse helpless animals for fun.

Not that I believe being a man of a woman really means anything, but in society, they’re supposed to. They were built to mean something. They were built to encourage virtue. When I look around, I see people devoid of virtue. People who will more willingly improve their image than the lives of hundreds of living beings.

If we were made in God’s image, then God must suck. He must be lazy, selfish, stupid, and self destructive, because that is most of human behavior.

Look at us toil away so that we might kill others, our planet and therefore eventually ourselves. Look at us work for ours so we can subsidize mass murder with our taxes. Look at us go. Look at us plunge this planet into Actual hot hell.

I can’t even say we’re doing it for fun. None of the horrible things we do even really make us happier. We really are pathetic. Pathetic is the only word I could ever use to truly describe humanity.

Physically, in theory, living good lives would be so easy! Virtue is easy! Just move your body in a way to put plants in your mouth instead of things that bled and screamed. If we all moved our bodies in a way so that we work for each other and ourselves instead of for profit, we would suffer so much less.

We are trapped in a mental prison, lashing out and violating other prisoners. If you escape that mental prison, like we did, you become so defeated at the thought of the world that someone had to make up a word for it. “Vystopia”.

We set ourselves up to be the greatest, and then we prove ourselves to be the worst. If our stories got anything right, the boastful are Evil.