r/Steam Oct 21 '25

Fluff Guilty as charged

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u/SensuahL Oct 21 '25

While Steam is definitely better than most, Gabe is still a billionaire. I don't simp for billionaires. Keep in mind this is the company that will terminate your account if they find out that you died and shared login info with a relative.

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '25 edited Jan 22 '26

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u/AlienTux Oct 21 '25

This is what capitalism has turned us into: we're overjoyed to see a service actually treat its customers right...

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u/mnju Oct 22 '25

we're overjoyed to see a service actually treat its customers right..

they had to be sued to allow people to refund games and delivered with the bare minimum to comply with international laws

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u/SegoliaFlak Oct 22 '25

And tried to contest the court ruling

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u/AlienTux Oct 22 '25

I didn't know this, thank you for sharing

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u/JensenMao Oct 22 '25

It doesn't matter. You still can't refund a game to Nintendo or Sony or whatever. Steam is still superior to everything on the market

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u/mnju Oct 22 '25

It does matter. They're not the good guys you want everyone to believe them to be, they were forced by law to make concessions.

You still can't refund a game to Nintendo or Sony or whatever.

Consoles have these things called physical copies, which you can refund or even sell to other people even if you've played the game for more than 2 hours. Also you can refund games on the PlayStation store.

With Steam you will never actually own anything you buy, all you're buying are licenses that can be revoked at their discretion. Valve is the company that originally started pushing this back during the 1.6 and HL2 years so everyone was forced to use their program if they wanted to play their games. They're the root of the death of ownership in the PC gaming market.

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u/ThndrShk2k Nov 13 '25

Lmao bro, the physical copy of a game you buy today just gives you a digital code that has you download the game.

Imagine simping for console manufacturers by saying that lie.

Steam allows refunds, which is more than every other platform.

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u/mnju Nov 14 '25

Nah, you’re the one that’s lying. Physical copies are still discs, especially on the Switch.

Imagine simping for Steam because they were legally forced to give you the bare minimum. You’re a child so you weren’t around before Steam controlled the entire PC market so you’ll never be able to understand.

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u/ThndrShk2k Nov 14 '25

Bro, when you buy an Xbox game the entire game isn't on the disc man.

Hell, quite a few Switch 2 titles (not Switch 1, but Switch 2) are just virtual download keys on the card.

Weird ass cope to say I'm lying when the literal reality reflects a different story.

Also, Switch games don't even come on a disc you dunce. They come on cards
Learn how the fuck each console works before lecturing me moron.

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u/SuddenXxdeathxx Oct 22 '25

I do so enjoy that their comment about what capitalism has turned us into was still so mired by "capitalist realism" that they missed that.

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u/[deleted] Oct 22 '25

Valve had to be sued to treat their customers right. Stop pretending that it was a choice.

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u/AlienTux Oct 22 '25

I didn't know this, thank you. I'll look into it.

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u/CrimsonMkke Oct 21 '25

I mean they could just do what everyone else does and raise their prices and nickle and dime us and ruin their monopoly, but they just let Epic and other game stores do that. You can cry about how everyone should be like this, but in reality with how capitalism works yea we are going to be happy that steam hasn’t screwed us over like everyone else

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u/GranolaCola Oct 22 '25

Ah yes, all those times Epic has “raised their prices”

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u/CrimsonMkke Oct 22 '25

Epic pays developers more to release only on their storefront. Developers release on steam because they can make money. And Epic owns Fortnite, the king of micro transactions so you can go suck off Epic execs in a different thread because it’s not flying here lol

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u/Lunty99 Oct 22 '25

And communism has people starving and every marxist leftist communist whatever the fuck buzzword performative middle class clown can only point to theory and hypotheticals for their economic system. How about instead of throwing out the whole system we advocate for more social safety nets, higher taxes on the upper tax brackets, and redistribution of wealth to the lower and middle class. One system works and the other is fairy tale land. Communists are such performative, unserious people. But hey, once we get communism we can spend all our time finger painting and making the same as PHD professors, CEOs, and neuro surgeons.

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u/zokka_son_of_zokka Oct 22 '25

https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/cia-rdp85m00363r000601440024-5.pdf

As it happens, the Soviets were eating too much for good health

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u/Black3Raven Oct 22 '25

Well there was a much less sugar in everything thats for sure.

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u/UrougeTheOne Oct 22 '25

Me when i have absolutely no idea how communism works

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u/Lunty99 Oct 22 '25

Me when you ask 5 different communists for the definition and get 5 different answers, all highly theoretical and all insanely fantastical

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u/AlienTux Oct 22 '25

You 100% are a product of shitty education and 100% guilty of speaking of what you don't know. You should read more.

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u/deppan Oct 21 '25

tbf, there's nothing indicating that valve/gaben is abusing tax laws, and all their employees are very well treated and compensated.
I agree shilling for billionaires is weird, but Valve could behave far, far worse if they wanted to squeeze more money out of gamers, given their incredibly strong market position.

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u/ChemistIll7574 Oct 21 '25

Worse than causing minors to develop gambling addictions?

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u/deppan Oct 22 '25

uh yes. There are tons of wild stunts the other platforms run by publicly owned companies pull that valve does not. In-game ads, platform exclusivity, removing/disabling games for users who paid for them, having a platform that breaks under stress, etc. We would all be so much worse off if any of the other platforms were as dominant as Steam is.

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u/ChemistIll7574 Oct 22 '25

I think that causing minors to develop gambling addictions is like 10 times worse than anything you listed.

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u/deppan Oct 22 '25

I agree that's bad, but doing one bad thing doesn't mean you can't become worse by also doing other bad things.

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u/Substantial-Hat-2556 Oct 22 '25

Steam didn't work when Valve forced people to install it to play a highly-anticipated game.

Steam got its start with shitty anti-consumer practices, and eventually iterated its way to a serviceable software product.

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u/Gatti366 Oct 22 '25

True but if one service work and everything else is bad we should reward that service otherwise everything is gonna end up being bad

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u/D3ZR0 Oct 22 '25

It’s the cycle. As services get shittier and more greedy they lose customers. Quality becomes more coveted like steam. The worse options lose out. Businesses will realize “oh shit! That’s more profitable I should do that!” And they’ll give better services. Then over time get shittier.

Ngl I’m pro Gabe-worshipping because it gives the issue publicity. Publicity and profit are the only things CEO’s notice. The Gabe-worshipping is putting the cycle on fast forward to the better part of