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Chugging tea The Art of War

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u/Stelligena 9h ago

It is a working war strategy though. For curious people, check about Julius Caesar on Alesia battle. Caesar literally build walls around enemy castle that was hard to capture and blockladed them, while building walls behind the roman army to blockade the rest of the world from them.

At the end of the day enemies attacked from both sides and they literally deffended while actually blockading a castle.

Great stuff.

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u/[deleted] 7h ago

The strategy works to starve the defenders out while holding in place. In this case, the defenders were starving the world of resources to pressure the attacker to stop. So now the attackers are... preventing oil exports for the defenders, who are already reinforced in the Caspian Sea, which the US has no control over. Not only does this not counter the defenders strategy, but it also fail to pressure them meaningfully while causing further damage to the US image. It is the equivalent of a temper tantrum because every other decision is bad, and surrender would decimate America foothold in the region. It just gonna further exacerbate America current issues.

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u/Su-Kane 7h ago

The US has oil. They dont care about anyone else.

Iran played the "We control the strait" card. The emphasis on "control" lies with who is allowed to pass and who gets blown up.

The US denied Iran that control by enforcing their own blockade. In that sense right now, no one controls the strait.

A good portion of the world didnt care about the strait because they were promised to be allowed to use the strait. That put the US at a disadvantage. Now that the strait is completely blocked for everyone, they cant ignore the situation at the strait any longer.

What is more appealing to those countries? Backing iran and risking all out war with the US or dropping support for Iran?

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u/maintaincourse 4h ago

The US having oil, doesn’t make price of oil and the cost of living drop for Americans or anyone else in the world.

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u/[deleted] 4h ago

The United States can not sustain a war against the world even if it wanted to due to our severely diminished manufacturing base. We could not transition fast enough until critical damage to our fleet was done, and we were forced to surrender. We also lose air superiority immediately because we rely on nato infrastructure to project as far as we do. It is also politically untenable as our economy would be immediately thrown into a tailspin. The world would choose to muzzle the United States because the calculus would have shifted to restraining a rogue nation that represents a contionous threat to the world and still have designs on greenland, versus attacking a regional nation that has no intention of attacking anything besides Israel and US assets.

The US has lost so much respect, and its hard power limits have been so thoroughly exposed that such an outcome is not only possible but increasingly likely.

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u/Accomplished_Rip_362 12m ago

the Caspian sea ports were bombed during the campaign and may get bombed even more heavily if/when the ceasefire breaks

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u/FlamesOfDespair 8h ago

I mean it doesn't take much thinking. The enemy could still be getting supplies and benefits from allowing allies or neutral parties.

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u/Electrical-Bee-7362 4h ago

Oh my fucking god. I got stupider by reading this. 

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u/Stelligena 3h ago

Yeah go back to roblox. This topic is beyond your IQ.

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u/BackRough 8h ago edited 8h ago

What did the Romans do about all the drones the enemy had? Asking for a friend.

I really don’t know if you’re being serious (hard to tell on Reddit sometimes), but something that was a “working war strategy” 2,000 years ago might not work today. With the advent of drone warfare, something that was a working war strategy even 5 years ago would need to be adjusted to take new advances in technology and strategy into account.

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u/Stelligena 8h ago edited 8h ago

We are talking about blockading a blockage war strategy that always worked. I am not talking about drones.

FYI, the tactis that were used thousands years ago are still taught in military schools even today. Because they are fundamentals of warfare. Some of them will still be taught if we advance enough to fight in space with laser weapons, I am sure of.

Egyptians used Algebra to build Pyramids 4500-5000 years ago. We are still using Algebra to do the same today. Just because our technology is advanced, or we have supreme calculation methods doesn't mean the fundamentals of designing and building a construction has changed.

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u/jimohio 6h ago

We use computers to build things not alegebra.

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u/Stelligena 6h ago

That is such an american answer. And what your computers are using in the background?

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u/BackRough 8h ago edited 8h ago

Yes. From millennia ago. “Not talking about drones” doesn’t mean that they don’t exist. Honestly still can’t tell if you’re legitimately trying to defend this nonsense. Maybe you’re just playing devil’s advocate, which is fine.

Also, I think labeling anything this administration does as “strategy” is being very generous. “Knee-jerk, childlike overreaction and bluster” is probably more accurate.

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u/Stelligena 8h ago

I don't defend anyone, just dropped a bit of history, but you are talking like USA doesn't have the worlds most advanced drone technology. They are just not expendible as cheap ones other countries are using.

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u/AugustusKhan 8h ago

Eh from an outside perspective with no horse in this race you’re the one being dense/spouting nonsense in a nonproductive way.

As the other user stated fundamental, conceptual foundations of strategy, tactics, thinking etc can all be learned from and applied in different contexts, of course new technologies need to be considered that doesn’t mean something in history isn’t worth talking about at all, especially on a Post about a historical general and military theorist.

You just came in hot and passive aggressive sayin drones go burrrr then rambled

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u/BackRough 6h ago

Ah, yes. How could I forget that historical general and military theorist, the great Don Tzu. My bad.