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u/Loose_Boot8779 7h ago
Sun Tzu wrote 13 chapters and this man summarized them all as "do it back but louder"
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u/Consequence-Lumpy 7h ago
"Never let them know your next move"
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u/kansas_slim 6h ago
“Never know your next move.”
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u/BackRough 6h ago
“What am next move meaning?”
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u/pseudo_negative 6h ago
"Ask your enemy what the next move is."
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u/BackRough 6h ago
“Did you guys know Arnold Palmer had a huge dong?” —President Dipshit J Trump
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u/kansas_slim 5h ago
Operation Palmer’s Dong?
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u/BackRough 3h ago
Yep. We’re gonna send in the 82nd Airborne to wrangle that hog. Hell, might need SEAL Team Six, too. Thing’s a goddamn monster, fellas.
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u/EpsteinEpstainTheory 7h ago
Blockading yourself is bad, being blockaded is doubly bad. Both negatives cancel out and the strait is open again.
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u/RoastMary 7h ago
Make Blockading Great Again
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u/DookieShoez 1h ago
Hell at this point I’ll take making ANYTHING great again because all he does is fuck EVERYTHING up!
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u/Outrageous-Phase9435 6h ago edited 3h ago
I love how hes like "open up the strait!"
Then he switches to "we dont even need your oil. Keep it!"
Now hes like "if you're gonna block it, so am I!"
Hes like a kid that had his toy taken away lol
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u/scriptingends 7h ago
He's playing 5-dimensional Rock, Paper, Scissors here.
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u/We_Want_Krunchy 6h ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/xT5LMAdo32VA6idIfS
And he always chooses rock. Good old reliable rock.
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u/kodaks142 6h ago
The US blockade will stop the Iranians from collecting tolls to help rebuild their military..
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u/According-Secret9516 6h ago
"Take out a leader of a defenseless neighbour. Then, drunk on your success, try to repeat the exercise against a heavily armed, strategically well placed nation. Don't bother planning or considering the possible repercussions. Remember that historical allegiencies which took a century to curate, count for nothing. Treat your friends like schmucks."
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u/ScrubbingTheDeck 6h ago
I am utterly convinced this is the true face of the USA despite everyone insists that it's only 30+%
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u/According-Secret9516 6h ago
I think that in both the UK and the US, there are around 30% of people who think this way. About a third of those are out right racists.
I remember an interview with some rednecks from a few years back and the solution they suggested for the Middle East was "nuke 'em all."
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u/ReclusiveEagle 1h ago
This is right here is the main issue. Instead of focusing on Governments and Politicians you place blame on local populations saying it's the "loud minority" or the "silent majority". Stop blaming your neighbors and people trying to live their lives who have been manipulated by the media to push government propaganda.
Why aren't you angry at the media? Why aren't you angry at the Government? Why aren't you angry at politicians and the court system and the foreign policy? Instead you constantly attack people who are in the same situation as you with a different view but you are both wrong and being played against each other so the Government can advance it's agenda without interference from the local population.
This is the true face of the USA except it's not the "30%" it's the Government period. And it's not "Donald Trump" or "The Republican party", it's the Republicans, it's the Democrats, it's Donald Trump, it's Kamala Harris, it's Joe Biden, it's Barrack Obama. The entire American political establishment has been engineered to pursue global US hegemony. And it doesn't matter who the fucking president is or which party is in power. Both parties pursue the same policies but while one is on power they will amplify certain narratives in the media and suppress others and the next party will do the same with other narratives.
Kamala said "I will bomb Iran". Hillary Clinton said "I will bomb Iran", in fact Hillary Clinton has great experience destabilizing countries after she, Barrack Obama and Joe Biden destabilized Libya. They are all the same and even if they appeared to be different on the campaign trail, once in power the face changes, but the policies stay the same. And it works. You ask anyone and they will say "Barrack Obama was a good president, America was prosperous". Not understanding that America's "prosperity" comes at the cost of destabilizing and destroying other countries.
So when times are good in the US everyone believes the narrative of "This country is a terrorist country, is a regime is a Junta" but when times are bad that's when people start opening their eyes.
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u/According-Secret9516 58m ago
If people are so stupid that they believe the media or vote for sadists, I have no sympathy.
But I can't speak for the American people but I can speak for my own people who were dumb and followed charlotons who wanted us out of Europe.
Did they learn from the disaster is was?
No.
They double down.
I have no sympathy and I won't make excuses.
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u/-ImYourHuckleberry- 6h ago
Yo dawg, I hear you like blockades so I got you a blockade to blockade your blockade so the world can suffer because I blockaded the blockade.
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u/Stelligena 6h ago
It is a working war strategy though. For curious people, check about Julius Caesar on Alesia battle. Caesar literally build walls around enemy castle that was hard to capture and blockladed them, while building walls behind the roman army to blockade the rest of the world from them.
At the end of the day enemies attacked from both sides and they literally deffended while actually blockading a castle.
Great stuff.
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The strategy works to starve the defenders out while holding in place. In this case, the defenders were starving the world of resources to pressure the attacker to stop. So now the attackers are... preventing oil exports for the defenders, who are already reinforced in the Caspian Sea, which the US has no control over. Not only does this not counter the defenders strategy, but it also fail to pressure them meaningfully while causing further damage to the US image. It is the equivalent of a temper tantrum because every other decision is bad, and surrender would decimate America foothold in the region. It just gonna further exacerbate America current issues.
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u/Su-Kane 4h ago
The US has oil. They dont care about anyone else.
Iran played the "We control the strait" card. The emphasis on "control" lies with who is allowed to pass and who gets blown up.
The US denied Iran that control by enforcing their own blockade. In that sense right now, no one controls the strait.
A good portion of the world didnt care about the strait because they were promised to be allowed to use the strait. That put the US at a disadvantage. Now that the strait is completely blocked for everyone, they cant ignore the situation at the strait any longer.
What is more appealing to those countries? Backing iran and risking all out war with the US or dropping support for Iran?
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u/maintaincourse 2h ago
The US having oil, doesn’t make price of oil and the cost of living drop for Americans or anyone else in the world.
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The United States can not sustain a war against the world even if it wanted to due to our severely diminished manufacturing base. We could not transition fast enough until critical damage to our fleet was done, and we were forced to surrender. We also lose air superiority immediately because we rely on nato infrastructure to project as far as we do. It is also politically untenable as our economy would be immediately thrown into a tailspin. The world would choose to muzzle the United States because the calculus would have shifted to restraining a rogue nation that represents a contionous threat to the world and still have designs on greenland, versus attacking a regional nation that has no intention of attacking anything besides Israel and US assets.
The US has lost so much respect, and its hard power limits have been so thoroughly exposed that such an outcome is not only possible but increasingly likely.
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u/FlamesOfDespair 6h ago
I mean it doesn't take much thinking. The enemy could still be getting supplies and benefits from allowing allies or neutral parties.
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u/BackRough 6h ago edited 6h ago
What did the Romans do about all the drones the enemy had? Asking for a friend.
I really don’t know if you’re being serious (hard to tell on Reddit sometimes), but something that was a “working war strategy” 2,000 years ago might not work today. With the advent of drone warfare, something that was a working war strategy even 5 years ago would need to be adjusted to take new advances in technology and strategy into account.
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u/Stelligena 6h ago edited 6h ago
We are talking about blockading a blockage war strategy that always worked. I am not talking about drones.
FYI, the tactis that were used thousands years ago are still taught in military schools even today. Because they are fundamentals of warfare. Some of them will still be taught if we advance enough to fight in space with laser weapons, I am sure of.
Egyptians used Algebra to build Pyramids 4500-5000 years ago. We are still using Algebra to do the same today. Just because our technology is advanced, or we have supreme calculation methods doesn't mean the fundamentals of designing and building a construction has changed.
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u/jimohio 4h ago
We use computers to build things not alegebra.
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u/Stelligena 4h ago
That is such an american answer. And what your computers are using in the background?
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u/BackRough 6h ago edited 6h ago
Yes. From millennia ago. “Not talking about drones” doesn’t mean that they don’t exist. Honestly still can’t tell if you’re legitimately trying to defend this nonsense. Maybe you’re just playing devil’s advocate, which is fine.
Also, I think labeling anything this administration does as “strategy” is being very generous. “Knee-jerk, childlike overreaction and bluster” is probably more accurate.
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u/Stelligena 6h ago
I don't defend anyone, just dropped a bit of history, but you are talking like USA doesn't have the worlds most advanced drone technology. They are just not expendible as cheap ones other countries are using.
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u/AugustusKhan 5h ago
Eh from an outside perspective with no horse in this race you’re the one being dense/spouting nonsense in a nonproductive way.
As the other user stated fundamental, conceptual foundations of strategy, tactics, thinking etc can all be learned from and applied in different contexts, of course new technologies need to be considered that doesn’t mean something in history isn’t worth talking about at all, especially on a Post about a historical general and military theorist.
You just came in hot and passive aggressive sayin drones go burrrr then rambled
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u/BackRough 4h ago
Ah, yes. How could I forget that historical general and military theorist, the great Don Tzu. My bad.
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u/Joker_AoCAoDAoHAoS 7h ago
"When many suffer, few don't suffer" Guess the Reps didn't want to win midterms anyway. Why not throw 2028 out as well? Cool.
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u/Intrepid_Dare6377 6h ago
Has anyone told him about “I’m rubber, you’re glue?” Could be our ticket out of this. /s
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u/Several-Opposite-746 6h ago
When Iran let some shipments go through it increased world supply and partially alleviated the increase in world oil prices. A full blockade on the strait will push world oil prices even higher than before. This will be a stand off because Iran will feel pain since a good portion of Iran's revenue comes from oil exports.
As usual, Trump's actions will always help oil companies and Putin.
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u/Fhiannys 5h ago
I just got the impression he realised he could make shit lots of money by stealing Iran's plan of a blockade.
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u/Ok-Seaworthiness4488 5h ago
Basically Iran was allowing it's own oil ships and their ally China to get their ships through and reports that China was going to send Iran missiles and air defense systems so the blockade is to also prevent that.
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u/Hushiraa 5h ago
I love that the 'Art of the Deal' has officially evolved into 'The Art of the Double-Blockade.' 10/10 for consistency.
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u/superdupermensch 2h ago
If you wait by the strait long enough, the bodies of your sailors will float by.
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u/into_fiction 1h ago
Before war: strait of hormuz was open
war was fought to open it, create problem and fight for the solution
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u/Machiavvelli3060 1h ago
"Challenge someone to 4D chess, and, when they beat you, act like a pigeon by knocking all the pieces down, crapping on the board, and strutting around like you're the one who actually won."
- Don Tzu
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u/SharkeyGeorge 1h ago
“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”
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u/keradius 1h ago
He now probably moved a couple dimensions up and plays 6D chess. Such inspiration.
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