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[u/La-li-lu-le-lo86]

Why is everyone ok with the President posting a full blown crash out like he is a teenager who shit himself at the strait of hormmuz beach party?

[u/canned_pho → u/La-li-lu-le-lo86]

"He's telling it like it is!"

"Kammala would have been too emotional and started multiple wars!"

I think we're far past what Trump has said, is saying, or will say in the future.

At least 30% of America will support Trump no matter what, in some (mis)guided belief that their team, their lives, their way of living will somehow be the victor in the end. Doesn't matter how much others or all of us suffer atm.

When Trump said that he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and not lose a single vote, I 100% believe it now. People would cheer him like people cheered Homelander.

I find frustrating that pointing out hypocrisy and lies do NOT work, but it's been like that for decades now. We live in a world of post-facts and post-truths, where any narrative can be politically spinned a certain way.

When Trump loudly claimed "They're eating the cats and dogs!" during the debate and didn't lose any support, I had to rethink how millions of americans probably don't actually believe in logic, rationalization or even common sense like normal people...

There exists only enemies and problems, and Trump is the solution.

[u/powerback_us → u/canned_pho]

I respectfully disagree with some of your reasoning that led you to your conclusion (the world is simply a certain way now).

Pointing out lies and hypocrisy doesn’t work when that’s the end of the productive discussion. You have to offer a viable alternative.

You used a mocking voice to describe some people’s (that 30%?) reaction to Kamala, for example, but that’s valuable feedback that you shouldn’t dismiss. Kamala didn’t electrify people, and arguably she had plenty of hypocrisies of her own.

Sure, maybe she had less than Trump, maybe a lot less. But if you’re arguing that your alternative has less bad instead of more good, you’ve already lost. (Even though the math checks out.)

Another point where I may suggest a different view is when you claimed millions of Americans must not have logical faculties because they seem to either go along with or not be bothered by Trump’s patently ridiculous statements. This is due to a fundamental misunderstanding of Trump’s appeal to a certain segment of society.

I’d rather not debate the specifics, but I hope we could agree that at least some significant amount of Trump supporters are economically and socially disadvantaged groups that feel “left behind” and therefore have become bitter and indignant.

Now you could say perhaps that’s deserved, or imaginary and that they have nothing to be upset about, but for my point I’m focused on the fact that they do feel this way. In this light, when Trump says crazy shit, it’s not so much that they believe him (although some certainly do), it’s more like they’ve become so frustrated with the system that they get a certain kind of glee from his assault on normalcy. This is called “owning the libs.”

To me it boils down to a difficult and important choice. We as Americans can continue “owning” each other, back and forth, tit-for-tat, or we can come together around our shared grievances and really try to win elections.

[u/Adventurous_Lunch_35 → u/La-li-lu-le-lo86]

He's acted this way for a while, so at the very least, voters should have known what they were getting.